Representative Assembly Minutes & Transcripts
Per Representative Assembly procedures, all meetings are recorded and transcripts posted for public review. The following are the transcripts for R.A. meetings from the 9th Assembly.
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The RA passed the following slightly amended version at the meeting of 4 January 2008: 1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer may set (by posting to the CDS Forums) reasonable monthly notification and due date schedules. 2. The CDS Executive Branch shall provide for notice (which may be by IM or notecard) to each land owner when they have failed to pay tier rental by the established due date. 3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a ‘provisional citizen’, and shall not have the right to vote or hold office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full. The citizen shall receive a notice (by IM or notecard) advising her or him of this risk and imminent change is status, and noting the deadline for final payment pursuant to this Act. 4. CDS has the right to make public the lists of provisional citizens from time to time, as reasonably needed for its administration of government. 5. One calendar month after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall send another notice to the landowner warning of imminent reclaimation (loss of the land). Fourteen days after that 1-month notice is sent, the CDS Executive Branch shall re-take ownership of the land, and the owner shall be removed from ‘provisional citizen’ status. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel. All objects on the parcel at the time of reclaimation shall be returned, and a notice of the reclaimation sent to the landowner. 6. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, and reaches the one-month notice above, all of that owner’s properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above. However, this paragraph 6 shall only be in force on and after the date on which CDS government has posted a method by which absent landowners can effectively prepay rent, in amounts at least up to 3 months’ in advance. 7. The CDS Executive Branch is encourged to take reasonable additional steps to notify citizens of past due amounts and all other matters described in this Act, but timely rent payment primarily is the citizen’s responsibility to monitor. 8. This law repeals any provisions of prior CDS laws (including NL 7-6 [http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=208]) that specify land reclaimation or rent payment methods, to the extent that they contradict the explicit terms of this law. Land Sales Listing Improvement Act 2008 1. Land sales in CDS of land owned by the government are conducted by the CDS Executive Branch, using such methods as are reasonably expected to promote the Confederation’s interests, consistent with our laws. 3. CDS sim estate settings currently permit “direct” land sales by citizens using the Second Life software map “for sale” listings (commonly known as the yellow map parcel methods). The Executive Branch is hereby authorized to disable that direct sale function, and cause all all future land sales by citizens to be possible only through a central, government-owned listing system, as soon as each of the following requirements are met: a. The Executive Branch has provided for a central listing method that advertises the availability of all available parcels, with reasonable timeliness and ease of access, and posts them, at least, in conspicuous in-world devices in two CDS sims, and on the Web. b. The Executive Branch has delivered to the RA by posting to the CDS Forums a certificate indicating that the foregoing system is in place, and describing it. c. This law repeals any provisions of prior CDS laws that specify land sale methods, to the extent that they contradict the explicit terms of this law. 3. Once the foregoing new system is in place, the Executive Branch also will use it to list CDS-owned parcels for sale.9th Representative Assembly
RA Meeting – 17 August 2008
RA Meeting 03 August 2008
Justice Soothsayer is in the chair.
Claude Desmoulins: Now we enter a new chapter, the 9th RA and a fourth sim.
Claude Desmoulins: Since there’s a full agenda.
Claude Desmoulins: Let’s proceed directly with the affirmation.
Claude Desmoulins: We’ll start with the new LRA.
Rose Springvale: sorry
Rose Springvale: oops
Claude Desmoulins: Justice, when you’re ready.
Justice Soothsayer: I, Justice Soothsayer, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Claude Desmoulins: Arria,
Arria Perreault: I, Arria Perreault, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Claude Desmoulins: Bells,
Bells Semyorka: I, Bells Semyorka, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Claude Desmoulins: FRC…
Flyingroc Chung: I, Flyingroc Chung, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Claude Desmoulins: Gwyn…
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I, Gwyneth Llewelyn, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, so help me God.
Claude Desmoulins: Rubaiyat…
Rubaiyat Shatner: I, Rubaiyat Shatner, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Claude Desmoulins: And Pip isn’t with us.
Claude Desmoulins: Congratulations to the new RA.
Justice Soothsayer: Yay!
Arria Perreault: 🙂
Claude Desmoulins: I now yield the floor to the LRA.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hooray to the CDS 😉
Moon Adamant: congratulations all!
Bells Semyorka smiles and claps
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Claude!
Rose Springvale: applause!
Jon Seattle: yay! 🙂
Sudane Erato: :))))
Patroklus Murakami claps
Rubaiyat Shatner has indicated consent to be recorded.
Ulysse Alexandre applauds
Justice Soothsayer: It has become traditional for the LRA to offer some remarks at the outset of the term in what started as a sort of ?State of the City? address, now expanded to the ?State of the CDS?.
Moon Adamant has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: But first, I have to extend great thanks to Jamie for his diligent work as the LRA. He has some big virtual shoes to fill.
Moon Adamant cheers
Justice Soothsayer: He has set a great example of patience and leadership.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Jamie!!!
Arria Perreault: / me agrees
Justice Soothsayer: Now, on to the State of the CDS.
Arria Perreault agrees
Justice Soothsayer: The state of the CDS is healthy!
Justice Soothsayer: We have just seen the peaceful transfer of authority to a new Representative Assembly ? for the EIGHTH time!
Justice Soothsayer: Factions established platforms, debates occurred in settings as formal as an amphitheater and as informal as a brewpub.
Justice Soothsayer: Candidates were selected, votes were cast and counted, and a new group of citizens was selected to help guide our collective efforts.
Justice Soothsayer: We have a balanced budget with ample reserves.
Justice Soothsayer: We continue to grow, with our fourth sim about to be ready for occupancy, as we saw on the parade!
Justice Soothsayer: The work is guided by a master plan, developed after broad community input.
Justice Soothsayer: But as our experiment in democracy continues, we continue to have our challenges.
Justice Soothsayer: We depend too much on a few dedicated individuals, and we don?t offer thanks nearly often enough.
Jamie Palisades smiles
Justice Soothsayer: Our beautiful streets and alleyways are too often empty.
Justice Soothsayer: Our beautiful streets and alleyways are too often empty.
Justice Soothsayer: Our debates often generate far more heat than light.
Justice Soothsayer: And although we continue to grow, we are not anywhere near keeping pace with the kind of growth we see in SL at large.
Justice Soothsayer: We must work together this term, avoiding rancor while respecting the rights of those who may disagree. We must keep our house in order. We must redouble our efforts to be a shining example of what is possible with online democracy.
Justice Soothsayer: And at the end of this term, the CDS we will leave to our successors will be have a vibrant civic discourse, a solid treasury, and be stronger and healthier.
Justice Soothsayer: Now, let us get to work.
Flyingroc Chung claps
Patroklus Murakami: hear, hear 🙂
Moon Adamant applauds
Jon Seattle: yay Justice! 🙂
Arria Perreault applauds
Bells Semyorka nods and claps, Well said Justice
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, all.
Claude Desmoulins claps
Justice Soothsayer: The agenda is at viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2006
Claude Desmoulins: Pardon me, but RL calls.
Jamie Palisades smiles and applauds
Rose Springvale claps
Sudane Erato: ty Claude!
Flyingroc Chung: cya claude
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks so much, Claude!
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Claude. Nice parade!
Jamie Palisades: And well done Claude, thank
Arria Perreault: thank you Clauda. You had a great idea with this procession
Justice Soothsayer: OK, first item on the agenda is consent to recording. Please touch the recording device on the table to indicate consent.
Sudane Erato has indicated consent to be recorded.
Brian Livingston has indicated consent to be recorded.
Patroklus Murakami has indicated consent to be recorded.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: indeed, what a lovely idea 🙂 Although when we have 120 sims…
Arria Perreault has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: Are there any changes to the draf agenda?
Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.
Sudane Erato: hehe
Bells Semyorka has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: *draft
Flyingroc Chung has indicated consent to be recorded.
Arria Perreault: is my proposal of budget for the ball in the agenda?
Jon Seattle has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: ah, good point, Arria. We’ll do that under III.
Justice Soothsayer: d. Other.
Arria Perreault: thank you
Justice Soothsayer: anything else?
Rubaiyat Shatner: may I get a copy as well?
Justice Soothsayer: Is there anyone not in the RA who want to speak on any of the agenda items?
Moon Adamant: i would like to speak for the Guild, Mr. Lra
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Moon, we can include that under “Sim 4 update”.
Rose Springvale has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: OK, moving on.
Moon Adamant nods
Jamie Palisades: I might speak to the commission I chair.
Arria Perreault: I would like to say some words about the use of portal
Justice Soothsayer: OK, noted, Jamie & Arria.
Justice Soothsayer: The first item of business is the Rules.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh
Justice Soothsayer: I am perfectly willing to operate under the rules used by the last RA, but thought this should be the first item for us to consider.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I second that ‘willingness’…
Justice Soothsayer: Does anyone have either an objection to operating under the lasdt RA rules, or have an amendment to offer?
Claude Desmoulins has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: Silence is golden!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think so 🙂
Sudane Erato: 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: Very well, the last RA rules will continue!
Justice Soothsayer: Any “consent agenda” items that we need to deal with?
Sudane Erato: what’s a consent agenda?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Item without discussion, Sudane.
Sudane Erato: ahh 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Where the RA basically approves something directly…
Justice Soothsayer: “items that require no debate”
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (or not)
Justice Soothsayer: But at this point in the term, I haven’t heard of any.
Justice Soothsayer: So, moving on…
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, could you give us an update as to the Commission on Corporate Structure?
Arria Perreault: sorry
Justice Soothsayer: wb Arria.
Jamie Palisades: Certainly,M r. LRA
Jamie Palisades: We met once as a commission, with results here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1998
Jamie Palisades: I’m grateful for the good turn-out of participants. More meetings are expecte d …
Jamie Palisades: Our original plan was to report to the new RA, though I think the consensus of those participating was that, if the RA finds this acceptable, we will report back in September or October.
Jamie Palisades: To summarize, we are examining what underlying needs or risks incorporation was raised to address ..
Justice Soothsayer: We should have one of the current RA members designated to ba part of the commission, I think.
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Jamie Palisades: … and *how* they might be handled, by corporate structure or otherwise. Al;l are welcome .. next meeting in about 2 weeks. Any questions?
Justice Soothsayer: Anyone want to volunteer?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, are you planning to meet at 11 AM on Sundays?
Jamie Palisades: That would be great 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If so, I’d be more than glad to volunteer… as a Devil’s Advocate lol
Jamie Palisades: um – “great” = RA member joining …
Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers*
Jamie Palisades: and of course we’d love to haveo ou, G
Justice Soothsayer: I’ll try to come as well, but thanks for volunteering, Gwyn.
Jamie Palisades: Though we will need to consul the stakeholdrs about scheduling …
Gwyneth Llewelyn: probably not really “love” to have me, but, well, “get pestered” 😉
Jamie Palisades: … don;t want to collidew ith Guild, either
Justice Soothsayer: Any other questions for Jamie on this topic?
Jamie Palisades: 🙂 love. No Q about it.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 😉
Moon Adamant: Jamie, most probably the Guild will occupy this slot on saturdays instead… it’s on discussion atm
Justice Soothsayer: Ah, Moon, thanks for reminding me.
Moon Adamant: yes?
Justice Soothsayer: I’ve polled the RA members, and Sundays @ 9 am SLT is the only time we all have in common.
Justice Soothsayer: I should have mentioned that earlier.
Justice Soothsayer: Under I. e. of the agenda.
Moon Adamant: ok, we will possibly try to pass it saturdays to the old slot
Moon Adamant: as said, in discussion atm
Justice Soothsayer: So I guess that frees up Saturdays for now.
Justice Soothsayer: Nice seque to the Guild report, though, Moon. You have the floor for an update on LA, etc.
Moon Adamant: thank you
Moon Adamant: as you have seen, LA is purchased and already adjoined to our territory
Moon Adamant: terraform is done and and roads are being done
Moon Adamant: during this week, a suggestion appeared that will change positively the overall appearance of the sim, without extra costs
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay for LA 😀
Moon Adamant: i am going to rez a prim with the suggestion, which has been approved by Ulysee
Moon Adamant: who designed the plan
Moon Adamant: and would have been presented today at Guild
Moon Adamant: so… it’s a premi?re
Moon Adamant: 🙂
Moon Adamant: bear with me a second
Moon Adamant: it’s on teh wall behing Arria, Hwyn and Bells
Moon Adamant: behind*
Moon Adamant: and it’s teh inclusion of a maritime theatre inspired on the Villa Adriana
Patroklus Murakami: wow! 🙂
Moon Adamant: the centre islet will keep the mundus, or foundation of the sim
Moon Adamant: btw, this is a suggestion by Symo Kurka
Ulysse Alexandre applauds
Gwyneth Llewelyn: sounds *fantastic* 😀
Jon Seattle: 🙂 cool idea!
Justice Soothsayer: very nice.
Rose Springvale: i’m not sure what a maritime theater is
Arria Perreault: to show plays with boats
Sudane Erato: a theater underwater 🙂
Moon Adamant: it’s just a scenic element
Brian Livingston: I imagine it involves a trained orca :p
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
Sudane Erato: hehe
Jamie Palisades: 😀
Rose Springvale: smiles
Bells Semyorka chuckles
Moon Adamant: you’ll have a rounded island with an altar and columns,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: nooo… you see, Rose, on the Colosseum in Rome, you had naval battles!…
Rose Springvale: uh huh
Arria Perreault: in big amphitheaters, they have made spectacles with boats
Moon Adamant: and an exterior circumference lined with columns as well, that will unify both halves of the sim
Moon Adamant: Nothing else to report
Brian Livingston: Fascinating centerpiece for the sim
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Moon.
Patroklus Murakami: fabulous idea. it gives the new sim a ‘heart’ 🙂
Rubaiyat Shatner: yes that looks terrific
Justice Soothsayer: Any questions/comments for Moon?
Moon Adamant: thank you
Rose Springvale: is this decided or will it come to guild for more discussion?
Jon Seattle: Yes, it definitly provides a focus — great work!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes… timings 😉
Moon Adamant: well, i would have presented it today
Moon Adamant: this way, it will pass to saturday
Moon Adamant: but this will be built with no delay to the sim
Justice Soothsayer: And the sim will be ready for occupancy 1 September?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok… so the deadline for the sim to be delivered fully built is still the same?
Moon Adamant: as we are hmmm transforming the two piazettas or scenic views that were already planned
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Justice,..,. 🙂
Moon Adamant: yes, Sept the 1st
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Great 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: great minds think alike, Gwyn 😉
Rose Springvale: my question concerns use of the space.. is it for public use for theatrical things or is it just a focal point?
Moon Adamant: it will be mainly a focal point
Moon Adamant: but i can tell you that the structure at the center
Moon Adamant: the altar
Arria Perreault: we could use it as information center of the sim
Moon Adamant: occupies the same space as the chair you’re sitting in
Rose Springvale: okay 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: or to sacrifice RA members?
Rose Springvale: thanks
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Brian Livingston hides
Sudane Erato: 🙂
Moon Adamant: so the space can be used for other functions
Arria Perreault: any boats?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: we have one in CN… hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: made by Tony!
Justice Soothsayer: 1 min more on this topic, please.
Moon Adamant: that’s for the residents to get 🙂
Arria Perreault: ok
Rose Springvale: as we add sims to the east, we’ll have more navigable space
Gwyneth Llewelyn likes the idea very much (just watching the new sim plan)
Justice Soothsayer is moving to the next topic, Chancellor selection.
Moon Adamant: thank you
Rose Springvale: thanks Moon
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aha 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Moon.
Justice Soothsayer: One of the first things the new RA must do is select a Chancellor.
Justice Soothsayer: One candidate has applied during the application period: Jamie Palisades.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 🙂
Moon Adamant cheers
Justice Soothsayer: Apparently his presidential video thing still leaves a little time for other activities.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ROFL
Arria Perreault: :-))
Sudane Erato: lol :))
Bells Semyorka: lol
Justice Soothsayer: Are there any other nominations?
Jamie Palisades: Siiiigh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm
Justice Soothsayer: Any questions for Jamie from the RA members?
Gwyneth Llewelyn looks for more vict…. volunteers
Sudane Erato: 🙂
Sudane Erato: out of the frying pan… into the fire
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And sure, I have at least one ? Jamie, do you intend to present/announce a team that will work with you in the Executive?
Rose Springvale looks for salt…
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or will it be a surprise? 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles at Rose 😉
Jamie Palisades: Gwyn, I have had multiple volunteers — except hehfor the …
Jamie Palisades: toughest jobs of all wich Sudane kindly holds …
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, I have a question: how much time do you think the Chancellor job will take?
Jamie Palisades: … and it is myhope w e will work our a role for everyone who wisses toserve
Arria Perreault: may we know the names or should wait the ball?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I would like to second Arria’s question… 😉
Jamie Palisades: .. so I may be back here looking to expand some jobs, too 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, that’s good, I think, so long as we have a budget for them all 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn turns irony mode off.
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, please respond to Arria’s question ahead ofmine.
Jamie Palisades: well, I did not plan to put people o the spot,but rther, hope t with everyone’s consent bring a slate that all will agree upon shortly … and …
Jamie Palisades: if you will give it a moment’s thought …
Jamie Palisades: Given that I learned 4 minutes ago that I am the only candidate, I wasn’t really in the position to work out issues betwen competing applicants for the same post 🙂 until now
Jamie Palisades: also
Justice Soothsayer: heh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: fair’s fair, and you’re right 😉
Jamie Palisades: It’s in the spirit of CDS that we POST jobs before filling them 🙂
Jamie Palisades: no?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Sudane Erato: 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Touche!
Moon Adamant: 🙂
Jamie Palisades: Hey can you imagine – there nmight be someone who wishes to serve that i do NOT know about ….
Gwyneth Llewelyn is still giggling iRL
Sudane Erato: hehe
Justice Soothsayer: HI Justice. I would like to return to the RA Archivist job. I held it a year or so ago, and still have the login access to the wiki to update things. As we have talked about, my priorities would be to update the online constitution and to implement the recently passed code reorganiso, my question, on how much time is required?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s from Publius?
Justice Soothsayer: Oops, too many windows
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, my question on how much time is required?
Rose Springvale is confused.
Brian Livingston is as well
Arria Perreault: well I must say that I have started to migrate the laws on the new portal
Justice Soothsayer: Sorry about that, Rose. I was pasting in an email from Publius into a notecard.
Rose Springvale: did i miss the election of the chancellor? lol lots of windows here too
Justice Soothsayer: While at the same time trying to ask Jamie how much time is required for the Chancellor job.
Jamie Palisades: … OK – two threads 🙂
Jamie Palisades: 1. Justice, may I just say, with Arria to correct me, that it was our hope as the outgoing government that your new work would proceed on the official portal, not the old informal wiki. I have offered my help to Arria et al to decode what we did last term. And I will with her help if selected find appropriatre persons to continue that work.
Arria Perreault: Great idea
Jamie Palisades: 2. Man, would I like to have a good time estimate from any of our predecessor Chancellors 🙂 but none are at hand and I am inclined to estimate what i think it shoud take – rather than derive it from history.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 20 hours a day? 😉
Jamie Palisades: LRA probably got 6-8 formal hours a week from me, for what it is worth,
Sudane Erato: !
Jamie Palisades: There’s the obvious 3 hours per meeting …
Jamie Palisades: we met weekly …
Jamie Palisades: and I DID hang out a lot in CD but NOT always in an official capacity 🙂
Jamie Palisades: *cds
Justice Soothsayer: Fair enough.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: We are nearly out of time on this topic. Is there a motion to confirm Jamie Palisades as Chancellor?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’d like to propose a motion to confirm Jamie Palisades as Chancellor.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (now we have one!)
Arria Perreault: I second
Justice Soothsayer: Are you ready to vote?
Gwyneth Llewelyn is ready!
Flyingroc Chung: yeah
Rubaiyat Shatner: yes
Bells Semyorka: yeppers
Justice Soothsayer votes Aye.
Arria Perreault is ready
Jamie Palisades: So when I think about the agenda-creating, guild meeting attending, chatting with people about legislation? Er .. smoothing feathers? (grin) probably another 3-5 hours on the average. And I will just say to be responsive – I think this will take more.
Arria Perreault: /votes aye (with great pleasure :-))
Jamie Palisades: done 🙂 lag
Gwyneth Llewelyn enthusiastically votes aye on the motion to confirm Jamie Palisades as Chancellor
Bells Semyorka: Aye
Rubaiyat Shatner: I vote yes as well.
Flyingroc Chung: aye
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie is the new Chancellor!
Rose Springvale applauds
Rubaiyat Shatner: w00t
Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, congratulations, Jamie!… 🙂
Patroklus Murakami: congratulations 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: Sudane, could you please arrange for the white smoke to emit from the building?
Bells Semyorka claps, Congrats Jamie
Moon Adamant: Congratulations!! :))))
Arria Perreault applauds
Sudane Erato: hehe
Rose Springvale: Congratulations RA!!
Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles* @ Justice
Jamie Palisades: Thank you all.
Sudane Erato: good luck Jamie!!
Jon Seattle: yay Jamie!
Sudane Erato: you’ll need it!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good luck indeed… hehe
Justice Soothsayer: Next topic: RA Archivist.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh yes!
Moon Adamant: lol sudane
Jamie Palisades: 😛 Su
Justice Soothsayer: I have had one applicant, and I’ll paste the email in a moment:
Justice Soothsayer: HI Justice. I would like to return to the RA Archivist job. I held it a year or so ago, and still have the login access to the wiki to update things. As we have talked about, my priorities would be to update the online constitution and to implement the recently passed code reorganization bill. I would also like to add a listing of our statutes by topic.
Justice Soothsayer: Are there any other nominations for RA Archivist?
Justice Soothsayer: And Arria, I agree tht we should instruct the archivist to use the portal, not the wiki.
Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with Arria & Justice too
Sudane Erato: i’d like to note that the compilation book on the table is by Publius
Arria Perreault: yes, I am ready to introduce him
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, a short word of praise to Publius… last year, he was awesome in figuring out all the amendments that applied to the COnstitution or not, and he made several annotations on ‘old’ laws
Justice Soothsayer: That’s a motion, right, Gwyn?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, if it weren’t for his work last year, we’d be way more in the dark than we are!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I’d like to propose a motion to nominate Publius as RA Archivist, since he is willing to have his job again!
Arria Perreault: I second the motion
Rubaiyat Shatner: what happened to him? why did he leave the position?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I believe he had RL work to deal with…
Justice Soothsayer: I believe he left that job to take a position with our short-lived judiciary as well.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes, temporarily… he did, yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then the whole wiki collapsed anyway…
Justice Soothsayer: just for the record, he’s a friend of mine in RL
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aaah I had no idea, Justice 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: and i’ll endorse his candidacy too.
Jamie Palisades: Even better – “we know where you live” 😀
Rubaiyat Shatner: If he feels like he has the time, it seems as thought his work is most excelent
Brian Livingston: hehe
Bells Semyorka: lol
Justice Soothsayer: Ready for a vote?
Rubaiyat Shatner: ready
Gwyneth Llewelyn: sure!
Arria Perreault: I think that thee are ways to help CDS, also not being in-world
Justice Soothsayer: Please state your votes for the record?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Arria, I agree… and God knows how vital (and hard!) this job is!
Gwyneth Llewelyn votes aye to have Publius as RA Archivist again.-
Arria Perreault: I vote aye
Justice Soothsayer votes aye
Rubaiyat Shatner: I vote yes.
Bells Semyorka: Aye
Flyingroc Chung: aye
Justice Soothsayer: We have an Archivist.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: Next topic: Borda counts.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: another job/role I really don’t envy, but Publius deserves a medal too
Justice Soothsayer: FRC, could you please introduce the topic. I’ll be back in 1 minute.
Patroklus Murakami: congrats to publius, and a weight of justice’s shoulders too 🙂 an archivist is a great help
Flyingroc Chung: yes, so borda rankings have been a fundamental part of our election system
Flyingroc Chung: since time immemorial
Flyingroc Chung: or at least, since we had our first ever elections
Flyingroc Chung: So basically we have traditionally given the worst-ranked factions a borda count of 0
Flyingroc Chung: But given that we’ve had some confusion in the last elections, I’m proposing to make it explicit in th constitution
Flyingroc Chung: let me find the link to the exat amendment..
Flyingroc Chung: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2018
Justice Soothsayer: yes, FRC, and if you could paste it into the chat it would be helpful for the record.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’d appreciate that too.
Flyingroc Chung: change the fist paragraph of Article 1 section 2 to
Representative seats are chosen by means of the Sainte-Lagu? method using scores generated by Borda-count ranked votes cast by citizens. The last place rank in the Borda-count shall have a score of 0; and each successively higher rank shall shall have a score of 1 more than the next lower rank. The citizens will also rank the list of candidates from their first-pick faction to serve on the RA.
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks.
Justice Soothsayer: Is there a second?
Gwyneth Llewelyn *raises hand*
Justice Soothsayer: As a second, Gwyn, or to recognized? Or both?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, to be recognised ?
Justice Soothsayer: Ah, well, we need a second first.
Bells Semyorka: I second
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Bells 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Bells. Gwynnie, you have the floor.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Mr LRA
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now, hmm, trying to be short here…
Gwyneth Llewelyn: As a democracy, it’s *crucial* and *critical* that everything related to the elections
Gwyneth Llewelyn: is crystal-clear, without any doubts in the minds of the citizens.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: To that regard, the CSDF feels that there is quite a lot that has to be done ? it’s not just the 0-based Borda count that requires a change in the Constitution.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, we also feel that we should, as a measure of goodwill, to make *at least* this change on the COnstitution,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: since it was so often raised publicly as being ‘in doubt’ (when it actually never was!)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So teh CSDF will support this amendment,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: but also propose a motion to form a new Electoral COmmittee for further reforms & clarifications
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Meaning: it’s not only this point, folks! We have more to do!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But, ok, let’s do this first step.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks, that’s all.
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Gwyn. Anyeone else?
Rubaiyat Shatner: I hope that with the update and the new archivist it will be easier to see that Gwyn
Justice Soothsayer notes there is still an extant Electoral Commission
Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with Rubaiyat ? but there is more work to do
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Justice, however hmm its status is unclear, since it’s former head (Beathan) is very likely too busy iRl right now, and has not made a full report
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So the suggestion would be either to a) get a new head for the current Electoral Committe or b) make the current one extanct and vote on a new one.
Justice Soothsayer: as with the corporate structure group, it wil probably need a new RA member to head it. But first things, first. Any other discussion on FRC’s proposed amendment?
Justice Soothsayer: Hearing none (and seeing no typing movements) please vote.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seems to be a peaceful one… after all, the SC sort of hinted that it’s their interpretation anyway 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And sure, I vote aye on FRC’s amendment.
Justice Soothsayer votes Aye on FRC’s proposed amendment.
Flyingroc Chung: I vote aye
Rubaiyat Shatner: I vote yes.
Bells Semyorka: Aye
Arria Perreault: I vote aye
Justice Soothsayer: The motion carries. Our new Archivist has some more constitution altering to do.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Justice Soothsayer: Anyone care to propose a new RA head to the electoral commission?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Do we have volunteers? 🙂 I’d certainly like to nominate Flyingroc… 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (sorry, FRC, but you’re *good* at those electoral thingies!9
Flyingroc Chung: sadly rl commitments will not allow me to head such a commission
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww FRC
Gwyneth Llewelyn is so disappointed
Flyingroc Chung: I’m afraid I’d be peresent in 10% of my own commissions meetings 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww
Arria Perreault: oh! too bad. you seem to be the more comfortable with this matter
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, exactly, Arria
Justice Soothsayer: I’m going to nominate Gwyn.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: omg
Rose Springvale: lol
Justice Soothsayer: revenge from FRC.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So I see mmmh
Moon Adamant: ahahaha
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Gwyneth Llewelyn is not good at playing this game!
Moon Adamant: ehehehe
Arria Perreault: you’re probably the second person who is comfortable with this question 😉
Gwyneth Llewelyn: all right, I’ll accept ? since yes, I *do* believe this issue is really crucial
Justice Soothsayer: Hearing no other nominees/volunteers/victims…
Justice Soothsayer: let’s move on to other topics. Arria, you wanted to mention the portal?
Arria Perreault: yes
Justice Soothsayer: 2 minutes.
Arria Perreault: I think that the RA will have to deal with this question and I will come with proposals
Jamie Palisades: 🙂 afk
Arria Perreault: now I would like to know how the RA would like to use the portal
Arria Perreault: we usually publish everything in the forum
Arria Perreault: which is not really usable when we have to find again an information
Arria Perreault: I have set a page for the RA, with subpages
Arria Perreault: with members, calender
Justice Soothsayer: I would like the portal to be the official repository of all documents. I’d also like to se an RSS fee incorporated from the forums.
Justice Soothsayer: *feed
Patroklus Murakami: point of information – we used to publish material on the wiki, which is much better for storing transcripts, code of laws, constitution
Arria Perreault: and my intention would be to create a page for every meeting, with agenda and transcript
Arria Perreault: I would like to know if the members agree with that idea
Arria Perreault: I am volunteer to work as a “secretary” of the LRA to maintain these pages
Arria Perreault: for this term
Arria Perreault: I am talking only of the pages of the RA (not the laws)
Justice Soothsayer: Arria, that’s sort of what we have the Archivist for.
Arria Perreault: can the Archivist also publish the agenda and the transcript?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, although I imagine Publius will welcome Arria’s help to figure out the interface to do the postings 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And yes, Arria, he’ll do that too.
Arria Perreault: ok. I can introduce slowly 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And create a new entry for each of the approved laws/amendments.
Arria Perreault: yes
Rubaiyat Shatner: would it be possible to have a place for proposed legislation too? and can I see what it looks like sometime?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pat, I think that the Wiki had a big advantage: it was quite accessible in a sense, but it lacked a crucial tool: automatic tagging and cross-referencing.
Arria Perreault: of course
Justice Soothsayer is curious why Pat thinks the wiki is a better place for documents.
Rubaiyat Shatner: updating and correcting most likely
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What that means is that we couldn’t approve a law and click on a button and see ‘related’ laws easily, to see which ones would be superceded
Patroklus Murakami: not *the* wiki but *a* wiki is better for documents than the forums
Arria Perreault: I really think that a wiki is not a good tool for laws
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anything is better than forums! lol
Patroklus Murakami: tagging and cross-referencing woudl be very handy
Arria Perreault: the portal has a structure
Patroklus Murakami agrees the new portal is the best place for all this information to be stored
Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with Arria ? a wiki lacks a lot of functionality and organisation, which has to be created from scratch; the current portal will have that all built-in, so it will be way easier to navigate, update, and cross-reference.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ‘current’ as in: the portal in development hehe
Arria Perreault: If you agree to use the portal as the main support for infirmation, we will have to inform quickly the citizen
Rubaiyat Shatner: so I am in favor of the transition, but want to point out that a wiki can be very quick to respond to new requirements, I don’t want to see lock in here, but am willing to put aside my concerns at this moment
Rubaiyat Shatner: I am also willing to help where I can
Justice Soothsayer: Excellent, Ruba!
Arria Perreault: thank you 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe I think the major problem with the current wiki was a technological one 😉
Justice Soothsayer: Anything else on portal?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should establish timelines…
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ie. what is more important first
Sudane Erato: aren’t these administrative functions?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: namely, I remember that Arria & Alex are still working on their own server 😀
Gwyneth Llewelyn winks at Sudane and blames herself for that too
Arria Perreault: I will make a proposal to solve this situation
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thanks, Arria!…
Jamie Palisades grins
Justice Soothsayer: Arria, you also wanted to mention the ball, I believe.
Jamie Palisades: I will look forward to hearing that transition plan too, Arria
Gwyneth Llewelyn is ready for the ball! lol
Arria Perreault: yes, Jamie 🙂
Jamie Palisades: (so is Justice — all duded up)
Arria Perreault: about the ball. I think that it is an event of the new term
Arria Perreault: we need to vote a budget to organize it, if you agree
Arria Perreault: all the work has been done
Arria Perreault: Many thanks to Rose and Sudane
Justice Soothsayer: And we need to thank Rose,Sudane & Arria for that!
Rose Springvale smiles…
Gwyneth Llewelyn thanks the whole organisation 🙂
Jamie Palisades: Is there anything out of the ordinary? 😀 or an expense that should be mentioned here?
Arria Perreault: we need a budget of 3500 L$ for the DJ
Moon Adamant: thanks! 🙂
Rose Springvale: your job is to finish this meeting in time to go 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Rose!
Justice Soothsayer chuckes @ Rose
Arria Perreault: 🙂
Sudane Erato: i think its perfectly reasonable for this expense to be rolled into the upcoming budget… to be approved
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What else is needed budget-wise, Arria?
Jamie Palisades: Madame Treasurer .. we cna afford it, no?
Sudane Erato: yes 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: “barely”, Jamie 😉
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Arria Perreault: if the Chancellor and the Treasurer can solve this question, I would appreciate
Justice Soothsayer: Very well. Let’s leave it for the treasurer to sort into the right category.
Sudane Erato: yes… np 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: Any other business?
Gwyneth Llewelyn second Arria’s proposed budget.
Jamie Palisades: 🙂 Unnecessary as i;s beenapproved Gwyn, but as you like to say
Jamie Palisades: .. the RA can do what it wants 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: I’ll note we are a little over time here.
Jamie Palisades: …
Jamie Palisades: … not to make light of it .. Sudane and I had some preliminary chats last term, including with the RA, to begin bringing some rigour to budgeting. The RA should expect that work, and the amount of information and planning, to continue to increase 🙂
Justice Soothsayer wants to keep Rose happy.
Rose Springvale smiles and notes she has yet to change…
Justice Soothsayer: It seems that the Treasurer and Chancellor are prepared to handle this as part of the regular budget expenses.
Justice Soothsayer: So let us move on to the final item on the agenda. Our rules call for a period of open discussion.
Justice Soothsayer: Anyone — RA members or not — have anything they would like to contribute?
Rose Springvale: i’d like to commend the landscapers of LA
Rose Springvale: 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: hear, hear.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay 🙂
Jamie Palisades claps
Sudane Erato blushes
Patroklus Murakami: indeed, thanks to everyone who’s helped to make it a reality (virtuality?)
Jon Seattle: yay! 🙂 it does look good.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: now we’re the “inverted L” sim cluster 😉
Gwyneth Llewelyn wants a Greek sim next… then an Egyptian one…
Jon Seattle laughs —
Gwyneth Llewelyn suggests a motion to adjourn…
Rose Springvale: oh gwyn, have we got a deal for you….
Jon Seattle: the iota cluster? almost ..
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-oh…. Rose?
Rose Springvale: smiles
Rose Springvale: later 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: I’ll second the motion to adjourn.
Justice Soothsayer: All in favor?
Justice Soothsayer votes aye.
Rubaiyat Shatner: yes adjourn
Flyingroc Chung: yes
Bells Semyorka: Aye
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
Justice Soothsayer: We are adjourned. Arria, where do we assemble for the ball?
Brian Livingston needs to figure otu what he’s goign to wear.. hmm
Arria Perreault: aye
Ulysse Alexandre applauds
Jamie Palisades: see you in 15, all 🙂
Rose Springvale: 🙂
Flyingroc Chung: sorry, wont be able to go 🙁
Brian Livingston: Hehe
Flyingroc Chung: rl calls
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww FR
Rose Springvale: 🙁 FRC
Flyingroc Chung: bye!
Justice Soothsayer: Thank you everyone for an excellent start of term!
Rose Springvale: thanks Justice!
Bells Semyorka: Bye FRC
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RA meeting 26 October 2008 TRANSCRIPT
Object-Name: notetaker 2.0.1
Region: Colonia Nova (246528, 250112)
Local-Position: (13, 165, 41)
Those present:
Justice Soothsayer is in the chair.
Justice Soothsayer: be right back
Justice Soothsayer: Hi Sonja, Jamie.
Pip Torok: hi JS hi Sonja
Sonja Strom: Hi Pip, Hi everybody
Pip Torok: hi Divine pleased to meet you!
Sonja Strom: Hi Divine, welcome.
DivineLolita Demonia: heya sonja
Sonja Strom has indicated consent to be recorded.
Jamie Palisades: Good morning, everyone.
DivineLolita Demonia: thank you pip
DivineLolita Demonia: heya
Justice Soothsayer: Hi Jamie
Pip Torok: hi jamie!
Jamie Palisades: Morning Pip – well virtual morning anyway
Jamie Palisades: Love the hat Su
Sudane Erato: thx 🙂
Pip Torok: 1st time ive seen you wear one Su!
Jamie Palisades: Justice, nice to see you. DId I imss anything by not auditing the CDSF meeting yesterday?
Justice Soothsayer: Not much, Jamie
Gwyneth Llewelyn: my apologies for beig late… timezone problems lol
Sudane Erato has indicated consent to be recorded.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You missed all our secret plans, Jamie 😉
Pip Torok: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
Sonja Strom: aha!!
Sonja Strom: Now the truth comes out!
Sonja Strom: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles 😉
Justice Soothsayer: I’ll wait another minute or two before starting, if thats OK with everyone, to ensure we have a quorum
Gwyneth Llewelyn is fine with that.
Jamie Palisades: If you really want ‘secret plans’, Gwyn, dear, you really ought to have someone build walls for that church ruin.
Jamie Palisades: As CSDF’s next door neighbor, when I rez in world (my home being NFS), if they’re around and feel like “dropping in” on a meeting, I can just fly through the hole in the roof …
Sonja Strom: perfect!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe but that’s the whole point 🙂
Sonja Strom: Who built the hangglider pad above AM?
Justice Soothsayer: Well, folks, it seems we will not have a quorum, but that might be OK since we don’t have anything to vote on today,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That might explain why nobody came hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: nobody besides YOU all!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.
Pip Torok: Dont know Sonja … but could sure use it!
Justice Soothsayer: Bells has said she must be abesent and asked for a 7-day vote, if we do have to vote on anything.
Sudane Erato: i hang glided yesterday 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, ok
Justice Soothsayer: So let’s get started.
Sonja Strom: me too!
Jamie Palisades smiles
Sonja Strom: Hello Arria
Sonja Strom: It was fun.
Sonja Strom: Hello Rose
Justice Soothsayer: Ah, a quorum!
Pip Torok: time i got into the action then!
Arria Perreault: Hi! Sorry: tme has changed
Rose Springvale: hello
Pip Torok: hi Arria Hi Rose
Rose Springvale: does anyone mind if i send a group notice?
Justice Soothsayer: The agenda is on the table in the notecard dispenser amphora thingy.
Gwyneth Llewelyn waves at Rose and obviously doesn’t mind
Justice Soothsayer: Please note that the meeting is being transcribed and tocuh the recorder on the table to indicate your consent.
Jamie Palisades: Pleas do routinely, Rose. Citizens — particulalrly new ones — seem to like to know when the RA meetings.
Arria Perreault has indicated consent to be recorded.
Jamie Palisades has indicated consent to be recorded.
Jamie Palisades: occur.
Rose Springvale: i’ve sent one already, but with the time change i thought it might be helpful.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, good point, Jamie.
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Rose.
Justice Soothsayer: Does anyone have any changes to the proposed agenda?
Jamie Palisades: sorry, posted where?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just some ‘announcements’ regarding the committes, but that can be on the last point (c. Open Discussion)
Justice Soothsayer: Agenda is posted on the forums under Announcements, and is also in the notecard dispenser on the table.
Jamie Palisades: ty
Rose Springvale has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: Hearing no other changes, let’s move on. Does anyone not on the RA wish to sign up to speak on any of the agenda items?
Jamie Palisades: me on II a (new sim) please
Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers* I thought so…!
Jamie Palisades: oh and I d briefly
Justice Soothsayer: Noted
Jamie Palisades: Thank you for your snicker, madame senator 🙂 I’ll save mine for now
Justice Soothsayer: Get all your snickers while trick-or-treating on Friday, please.
Justice Soothsayer: MOving on to Item I d, future RA meeting times.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm.
Justice Soothsayer: We have been meeting at least every 2 weeks, and I would propose to do the same thing next month
Justice Soothsayer: unless events dictate meeting more frequently.
Justice Soothsayer: So that would have us meeting on 9 November and 23 November, and avoiding the US Thanksgiving Day weekend at the end of the month.
Justice Soothsayer: Will that work for everyone’s schedules?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, clever.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: it works for me, yes (I hope!)
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie?
Jamie Palisades: yes?
Jamie Palisades: comment on Id?
Justice Soothsayer: you wanted to speak on I d?
Jamie Palisades: Only this, to reinforce my PIO’s comments earlier
Jamie Palisades: We get a LOT of requests for RA meeting times
Jamie Palisades: people want to come watch
Jamie Palisades: especiually newbies
Justice Soothsayer: Excellent!
Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds the proposal of announcing the RA meetings more, either via notices, IMs, etc…
Jamie Palisades: of which we have four or five this month, BTW, mostly due to Ofest publicityy
Jamie Palisades: but
Jamie Palisades: that means I want something from you 😀
Jamie Palisades: reliable dates and times set in advance
Pip Torok: can i suggest RA dates AND times routinely go on group notices?
Justice Soothsayer: I’ll also mention that Rose suggested (a GREAT idea) that we have an open coffee hour on the Sundays when the RA doesn’t meet.
Jamie Palisades: and posted on our calendar 😀
Jamie Palisades: so as to dates, if you can fixe them now for a few months that would be GREAT for our recruiting …
Jamie Palisades: and the coffe hour idea is, well 🙂
Jamie Palisades grins at Gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I like that!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: very much so 🙂
Jamie Palisades: simply a way to obey the ignored law that we have government uquetsion hours
Gwyneth Llewelyn: where would that be?
Sudane Erato: will we serve coffee?
Pip Torok: hi Delia!
Jamie Palisades: how about the biergarten?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, and cakes!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aha an excellent choice 😉
Delia Lake: hi everyone. still rezzing
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi Delia!
Sonja Strom: Hi Delia
Jamie Palisades: the law we have ignored authorizes me to set that up, I thikn, so I will sned out the relevant announcements, unless someone here wants to change that law 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: So sticking with the one per fortnight, we could do 7 December and 21 December
Justice Soothsayer: Does that work for everyone?
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* and agrees
Pip Torok: cunningly well! 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh, so not earlier? in November I mean?
Pip Torok: Symo! … hi …
Justice Soothsayer: with our meeting dates fixed for Nov & Dec, that frees up some dates for Rose/JAmie to schedule other events on the alternating Sundays
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, Justice.
Sonja Strom: hi Symo
Jamie Palisades: excellent
Jamie Palisades: however
Jamie Palisades: for tiume zone reasons
Jamie Palisades: i may not suggest they ALL occur at the same time of day, hm?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: or do it twice in a day?
Justice Soothsayer: Lets move on – I have to leave around 10:30.
Justice Soothsayer: Item II a is New Guild report includind discussion of proposed new sim
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok, and the Guild will complain if we take too long hehe
Sonja Strom: Hi Naftali
Naftali Torok: evening friends
Justice Soothsayer: Anybody here to report from the Guild?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh oh
Pip Torok: hi Naf!
Delia Lake: hi Nafti, hi Symo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Did the Guild already meet about that?
Rose Springvale: no
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I thought not, they would meet today?
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Rose
Rose Springvale: there is a meeting at 11
Justice Soothsayer: We may be premature on this, since the Guild is scheduled to meet @ 11 today
Gwyneth Llewelyn: indeed …
Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, we should raise a minor procedural matter first 😉
Justice Soothsayer: Whats that, Gwyn?
Sonja Strom: Hi Flyingroc!
Sonja Strom: Hi Timo!
Justice Soothsayer: Hiya Hokie!
Sonja Strom: welcome
Naftali Torok: hi roc, hi timo
Pip Torok: hi flyingroc hi Timo
Timo Gufler: hello everyone
Arria Perreault: Hi 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi FR 🙂
Delia Lake: hi FR
Rose Springvale: timo, welcome!
Jamie Palisades: Do tell, madame senator …
Rose Springvale: hi frc !
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi Timo! 😀
Pip Torok: (might run out of seats soon! 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, sorry, got carried away lol
Flyingroc Chung: hello
Rose Springvale: we can get more!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok… this is more a request for Arria really… may I point out NL 8-2, http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=214
Timo Gufler: somehow this reminds me of Finnish sauna 😉
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So hmm the relevant point here:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The RA would commission the New Guild to produce a rough plan for the new sim(s) following broad guidelines laid down by the RA for (i) the rough number of plots (ii) the range of sizes of plots (iii) price and affordability (iv) single/double prim (v) rough balance between public, private and commercial land (vi) any specific public builds e.g. the ampitheatre (vii) any other infrastructure that can serve the interest of the community and territory.
Arria Perreault: I have all informations almost ready
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, these ‘broad guidelines’ were presented by Arria… but in a scattered format,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Arria,
Jamie Palisades: ( Yikes, Timo – no,but here we have other ways to generate heat and smoke 😀 )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: it would nice to have them as a document!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: or a forum post
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just a single place where all the ‘guidelines’ are clearly laid out.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: so that we don’t need to ‘fish for information’, looking at chat transcripts, forum posts, etc
Arria Perreault: due to change hour I am a bit late …, I am working on it right now 🙂
Jamie Palisades smiles – if we are on that point, Mr LRA , I will still ask to address it when convenient.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: the information is “out there”, just not on a single place 🙂
Arria Perreault: I have also a map
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s all from me.
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Arria!
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, you wanted to address this matter, so go ahead.
Arria Perreault: should I give these informations now?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (if you have them why not? 🙂 )
Arria Perreault: in the latest version of the proposal, we have taken in account every remark in thr forums
Justice Soothsayer: Arria, I think the point is that it would be good to assemble it all into one document, with map.
Arria Perreault: not in a ready form 🙁
Arria Perreault: I am doing this right now
Jamie Palisades: Let me just note that Arria has at each stage provided everything we asked her to provide, thus far. The RA’s decision to apply NL 8-2 added new requirements of which I think no one informed her. So, as far as I am concerned, she’s timely. This material now will go to the Guild under NL 8-2 for their reactions.
Justice Soothsayer: Is this on the New Guild agenda for 11 am today?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
Jamie Palisades: At your last meeting Miss Llewelyn opine dthat the Guild would act quickly 🙂 I have asked for a thougtful and independent review by them, for the sake of prudence. Do we have any sense of their availability plans or timing, from any Guild members?
Timo Gufler: sorry I must return to RL now 🙁 see you later…
Sudane Erato: Moon proposes the agenda
Jamie Palisades: Cheers Timo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (bye Timo!)
Rose Springvale: I’m sure it will be on the Agenda
Rose Springvale: but we’ve not seen that yet.
Arria Perreault: I can present the project now
Justice Soothsayer: Anything new to add to what has already been discussed, Arria?
Jamie Palisades: I would be skeptical, sorry, if the Guild acted this morning on information received this morning. 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Guild agenda so far: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2170 (look at point 1)
Jamie Palisades: The review is supposed ot be in the nature of feasibility and fit — which I’d expect would require at least a litle reading and thought.
Rose Springvale: Moon generally establishes a work group for such review
Jamie Palisades: (Although it goes form them to the executive, and you can be cofortable we will do so, in any case.)
Arria Perreault: she proposed me that this group be Virtus
Jamie Palisades: Excuse me?
Jamie Palisades: The Guild wishes to have the independent review of Virtus’ project done by Virtus?
Arria Perreault: not for the review
Arria Perreault: for doing the job, sorry
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Again, from the Guild’s agenda: 1. Monastery sim – Assessment of current work, definition of workgroup, planning
Gwyneth Llewelyn: so definitely a workgroup is planned to be created for this.
Justice Soothsayer: Lets not jump the gun, it seems this should be left to the Guild for now
Arria Perreault: Ladies and gentlemen, I could provide all the informations
Arria Perreault: I can show the plan
Jamie Palisades: Justicem forgive me, but I think Gwyn’s point was that the information Arria has SHOULD be given to the RA at this stage and THEN to the Guild (under NL 8-2). So, respectfully, you might want at least to permit a brief summary and delivery .
Jamie Palisades raises huis eyebrow at the flower-wearing orange haired senator. No?
Justice Soothsayer: If its ready, by all means, go ahead Arria.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’d be glad to see what’s available of course!
Arria Perreault: here is the map in relief
Justice Soothsayer notes for the transcript that Arria has just rezzed a topo map
Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh nice!
Arria Perreault: do you see something?
Symo Kurka: nope i do not
Jamie Palisades: I do
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I do, it took a bit though!
Sonja Strom: I do
Jamie Palisades: a terrain map
Arria Perreault: yes
Delia Lake: Arria, where exactly is this sim designed to fit? next to AM?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: To the west of AM, yes.
Jamie Palisades: arria, in that map, the neufreistadt corner is the far high corner, and the lower left edge is the border with Locus Ameonus, yes?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: or south of Locus Amoenus
Arria Perreault: you can see the place where the Monastery is
Arria Perreault: yes, Jamie
Sonja Strom: Hi Ria, welcome.
Arria Perreault: then we propose that the six plots are in a fishing village near the sea
Pip Torok: hi ria
Jamie Palisades: so te new Monastery would be at *appromistaely* the same elevation as the old one.
Ria Boucher: hello all
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and hi Ria!
Delia Lake: hi Ria
Arria Perreault: yes, Monastery will be at the same level
Arria Perreault: the the river which goes to LA come from this lake
Rose Springvale: arria, if you have a texture that is copiable, several people still can’t see the map.
Rose Springvale: i’ll hand it out if you give ot me
Rose Springvale: to*
Arria Perreault: and the lake comes from a small cascade which is under the Monastery
Symo Kurka: where is north arria?
Arria Perreault: the lake can be a skate area for the winter
Arria Perreault: north is lake side
Arria Perreault: sea is west
Arria Perreault: Ulysse is now designing a ski or sled slop in the east part, near AM
Gwyneth Llewelyn: the map shows somewhat how it would look like if you’d be in Locus Amoenus, looking upwards the mountain towards Neufreistadt…
Arria Perreault: he is a great specialist of ski in SL
Arria Perreault: yes, Gwyn
Jamie Palisades: so the rented lands would circle the lake? Heh heh Lausanne, n’est ce pas?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 🙂
Arria Perreault: no, in front of the sea
Jamie Palisades: where is the sea?
Arria Perreault: where is the red square
Jamie Palisades: oh
Jamie Palisades: hm
Justice Soothsayer: lakefront might be marketable, eh?
Jamie Palisades: well we will need to chat with the Guild about the rentability and feasibility of this 🙂 All of teh UNrented land we have left in LA has the same configuration … and yet all of the mountain hillside land in AM always sells.
Arria Perreault: yes, but sea front also
Arria Perreault: and lake can be a recreationnal area
Arria Perreault: I am rezzing the two other plans
Jamie Palisades: just to be clear about the map : the lower right edge, which faces um West, would touch sea level at 20 metres? Like the west edge of LA does now?
Arria Perreault: the map
Jamie Palisades: ah – yes, – the left picture answers my question
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, that one has a better orientation!
Jamie Palisades: gads. Mr LAR it seems to me that any reactions about the lots size or etc and better saved for the Guild? What’s your wish regarding deeper chat at this time?
Arria Perreault: on the right and left maps, north is above
Jamie Palisades: &LRA
Arria Perreault: now the plots
Arria Perreault: as you can see, we have not 6 plots but 7
Pip Torok: hi Pat
Sonja Strom: Hi Patroklus
Arria Perreault: the 6 plots near the sea will form a small fishing village
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi Pat
Delia Lake: hi Pat
Symo Kurka: just to be sure… where is NFS border in the LEFT map?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and jamie… this is the ‘rough guidelines’ that the RA proposes to the Guild… the Guild will then work from that and do a more complete/changed plan
Sudane Erato: there is no NFS border… only a corner
Arria Perreault: we have taken the remark concerning Virtus and we propose that Virtus rent a plot that correspond to the Library of the Monastery
Sudane Erato: the lower right corner
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and then the Executive will finish it up 🙂
Patroklus Murakami: hi everyone 🙂
Delia Lake: the highest elevation corner would touch the corner of NFS
Arria Perreault: If I take all the informations in the right order:
Arria Perreault: (i) the rough number of plots
1 plot for NGO Virtus corresponding to Monastery Library
Rose Springvale: someone needs to look at the openspace load issue with all of these plans in one open space sim
Sudane Erato: 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: definitely, Rose!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m sure there is enough know-how on that at the Guild 😉
Arria Perreault: (ii) the range of sizes of plots
one plot corresponding to Monastery Library
Arria Perreault: (iii) price and affordability
1 plot NGO corresponding to Monastery Library /15 US$
Arria Perreault: (iv) single/double prim
Arria Perreault: (v) rough balance between public, private and commercial land
10% of the prims ffor the NGO use (plot)
50% of the prims ffor public use
Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh pretty thorough homework already… 😉
Arria Perreault: (vi) any specific public builds e.g. the ampitheatre
Symo Kurka: Humm
Arria Perreault: (vii) any other infrastructure that can serve the interest of the community and territory
ski or sled slope for winter
maybe a bridge
Gwyneth Llewelyn sees already Syno thinking deeply 😉
Symo Kurka: Hum hum
Arria Perreault: any questions?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Justice Soothsayer: I’m a little time-sensitive this morning; lets wrap this up with no more than 5 mins of Q&A/discussion, please
Sonja Strom raises hand
Symo Kurka: just one question arria, may i?
Arria Perreault: ok
Justice Soothsayer: Sonja first, then Symo
Symo Kurka: would it be possible to have the left map joined to AM and LA maps, so we get a general idea?
Symo Kurka: of borders coherence…
Arria Perreault: we have made measure
Arria Perreault: every ten meters
Arria Perreault: the border with AM is exact
Gwyneth Llewelyn: brb
Arria Perreault: same for LA
Symo Kurka: no doubt…
Symo Kurka: but it would be helpful seeing what is on the other side(s)
Arria Perreault: I must ask Ulysse
Symo Kurka: (sorry sonja i notice i’m overtaking you)
Symo Kurka: (no more questions)
Justice Soothsayer: Sonja?
Sonja Strom: it’s ok 🙂
Sonja Strom: Arria, from the discussion so far I am wondering if you would be willing to have this sim be created to the East of Alpine Meadow?
Arria Perreault: as I have told in the forums, I think it is an emergency to fill this visual gap. I see this as a synergy
Pip Torok: why so, Sonja?
Arria Perreault: but if RA will, we can build on the other side
DivineLolita Demonia: sorry.. i must go.. thank you for letting me sit in and listen… see you all…
Arria Perreault: we have to reverse the map
Sonja Strom: Bye Divine
Pip Torok: see you DLD
Sonja Strom: Pip, there are a couple of issues I see, that I think that could address.
Pip Torok: but why, Sonja?
Arria Perreault: yes, why?
Sonja Strom: I like this project, but it is going against the Master Plan’s concept for the area.
Justice Soothsayer: OK folks, I need to step in here.
Symo Kurka: ????
Sonja Strom: OK Justice.
Justice Soothsayer: (1) time is up, and (2) how this proposal fits with the plan is expressly what the NG is to give us feedback on.
Arria Perreault: As Symo as told in the forum, GMP is a guide line
Justice Soothsayer: And I want to allow sufficient time for Chancellor’s report
Sonja Strom: I had more I could say, but am following Justice’s leadership.
Justice Soothsayer: Sorry, Sonja
Justice Soothsayer: Guild at 11.
Sonja Strom: No problem, just wanted it to be stated.
Justice Soothsayer: (like “film at 11”, but more fun)
Justice Soothsayer: OK, folks, marching ever forward…. the Flag Bill is on our agenda next, but mainly as a placeholder for further consideration when a consensus is built, IMHO.
Pip Torok: agree
Justice Soothsayer: Any objection to moving on to Chancellor’s report?
Justice Soothsayer: and many thanks, Arria, for the excellent work!
Arria Perreault: thank you
Arria Perreault: can I go to the Guild with these informations?
Justice Soothsayer: Yes, please do, Arria (speaking for myself)
Arria Perreault: ok
Pip Torok: and for me …
Justice Soothsayer: OK
Justice Soothsayer: So….
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie…
Justice Soothsayer: you’re up.
Jamie Palisades: Chancellor report, Justice?
Justice Soothsayer: Please.
Jamie Palisades smiles – very well. Thanks.
Jamie Palisades: Good morning. I have five items. 1. As Sonja is here, may I just remind you of her appointment as land caretaker, and tell you she has been doing a great, diligent job. Thanks again, Sonja.
Gwyneth Llewelyn claps 🙂
Jamie Palisades waves across the room
Sonja Strom: Weclcome 🙂
Sudane Erato: yay! 🙂
Symo Kurka: clap
Justice Soothsayer: hear, hear
Pip Torok applauds
Jamie Palisades: 2. Publicity and events. We are enjoying a small influx of new citizens thanks mostly to oktoberfest, events and PR. Rose and Sudane and I are owrkingto orient them. (Although te current land system prevents us from getting to them or learning about them in a timely manner.) So far, so good — in terms of our theory that events create PR and that generates newcomers. Kudos to many, lead by our co-PIO Rose.
Jamie Palisades: You saw one this morning, Timo 🙂
Jamie Palisades nods at Rose, behind him
Sudane Erato: yay Rose ! 🙂
Rose Springvale looks up and blushes
Jamie Palisades: 3. Land sales and vacancies. This generally is not going as well as I would like, although it is not catastrophic and not at a low point statiscally for CDS. I have posted some comments about that in the forums. I expect in 2 weeks to bring you several propsoed changes to the law about land sales and rent payment laws. Between now and then I will talk to the factions and post some public suggestions for review.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: excellent work then!!!
Symo Kurka: claps
Jamie Palisades: You can find my post on vacancies on today’s Forum postings.
Jamie Palisades: I have not yet posted to the Forum on some other views, but let me share them here.
Jamie Palisades: AM sold fast.
Jamie Palisades: It is Alpine theme, a pretty (and unusual for SL) hillside, and had small lots in the mix.
Jamie Palisades: We got LOTS of great NEW people from it.
Jamie Palisades: A success to me.
Jamie Palisades: LA? Well, the economy is different – but also
Jamie Palisades: Roman theme
Jamie Palisades: Flattish
Jamie Palisades: SO far a large propoprtion of sales to prior residents who move there are out of old space
Jamie Palisades: Not a net fiscal gain for us, when that happens.
Jamie Palisades: so
Jamie Palisades: WE need to think about WHAT we sell next
Arria Perreault: Jamie, I have a question
Jamie Palisades grins – one of the reasons I like that hilly map over there (pointing at Arria’s cvharts)
Moon Adamant: hello all :))
Flyingroc Chung: are the old polts not selling?
Sonja Strom: Hi Moon
Rose Springvale: hi Moon 🙂
Pip Torok: hi moon
Arria Perreault: Hi Moon
Delia Lake: hi Moon 🙂
Jamie Palisades: As I posted to the Forums, Roc, due to CDS’ Direct Land Sales Act anyoen can see what is not sold 🙂
Jamie Palisades: I believ ethat hurts us and will proposed change next month by the way.
Patroklus Murakami: old plots are not selling FR. i’ve had one on the market for months. it will be abandoned tomorrow if it doesn’t go…
Jamie Palisades: But note this trend
Jamie Palisades: MOst of the recent sales? NFS turnover
Jamie Palisades: those fachwerken and scenic places get bought fast
Jamie Palisades: practiclaly always
Jamie Palisades: Arria has a question?
Jamie Palisades: ((Justice I am halfway through FYI)
Jamie Palisades: (so I may ask to hold Qs for the end after ARria)
Arria Perreault: yes, about CN. I have notices that some plots are for sale. Is it an opportunity to start the plan for economical development?
Justice Soothsayer: OK Jamie. I have to leave promtply @ `1030 but meeting could continue in my absence I suppose
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: we’d have to get an acting LRA?
Justice Soothsayer: or just meander leaderless, Gwyn
Jamie Palisades: Arria, in a VERY short answer, yes. By RA act I must report to you on 15 November on this 🙂
Jamie Palisades: And you are EXACTLY right
Jamie Palisades: now
Jamie Palisades: to finish
Arria Perreault: great 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn also reminds the members that the Guild has requested that the RA doesn’t stretch their meetings beyond the hour, so that the Guild has a quorum…
Jamie Palisades: I wil share any further thoughts about 5th Sim (Locus Arria?) with the Guild 🙂
Sudane Erato: 🙂
Jamie Palisades smiles
Jamie Palisades: 4. Expansion. I do not expect to propose new sims for the next few months, as I believe the economic market for unrented land is uncertain. However, there are three other avanuees for us to explore. (a) Arria’s proposal. (b) Potentially feasible acquisiton of another void or two for scenuic and perhaps NGO uses. (c) Potential adjoinment with Al Andalus, a region which has a number of citizens jointly with CDS (I see several here, and I am one), along the lines they have discussed on a nonbinding basis in their own government planning discussions.
Jamie Palisades: …
Jamie Palisades: As to (a), it’s Well underway, as we heard. Arria, thank you again for all of your work, and offering to share the risk.
Arria Perreault: not Locus Arria, Monastery
Jamie Palisades: 😀 …
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ooooh
Jamie Palisades: As to (b) I believe it wil lprove feasible economically but wanted to confirm the Virtus sim orientation and economics first — on which we’re almost done — and confer twith the GUild — which has not met much lately, so I hope that to be a Npvember conversation.
Jamie Palisades: …
Moon Adamant: we’ll start discussing the sim today
Jamie Palisades: thanks 🙂
Jamie Palisades: …
Jamie Palisades: As to (c), I think it would be unseemly for CDS to rush in like a colonizing conquistador. I suspect they will come to us, looking at us an option. If that happens so I think it;s the best way to proceed. I believ we would need to make our local governance methods more attractive to be attractuie to them — or indeed, to ANY future merger or acquisiton sim estates, few of who I expcet woud happily just turn over their assets by giving unlimited power to strangers. (Us.)
Jamie Palisades: …
Jamie Palisades: SO I also expect during November to propose some slight improvements to the stability and localization aspects of our current system. We’ll see. I have high hopes.
Jamie Palisades: For our attractiveness, but also for this government’s flexibility.
Patroklus Murakami: maybe we should see some info on (c) before rushing to judgement? since, as far as i know, it’s the first time this idea has been aired publicly?
Jamie Palisades: As I said: we’ll see.
Justice Soothsayer: So no hostile takeover of Caledon, what?
Pip Torok: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not yet!
Sudane Erato: awwww 🙁
Gwyneth Llewelyn: we’ll get there!
Jamie Palisades: I agree 🙂 No action is sought. I;m sorry, not quite finished. DId CSDF wish to do something at the monment Pat?
Jamie Palisades: ..
Patroklus Murakami: what do you mean?
Jamie Palisades: hearing onthing then ..
Jamie Palisades: oh well – you spoke up “) may I continue?
Jamie Palisades: Mindful of Justice’ time constaints …
Jamie Palisades: 5. Finally, a minor item. During octoberfest I expanded the main CDS information center by simply donating my own lot next door. Everyone seems to like it. I will propose that the RA at its next meeting approve a swap, wherein i personally give CDS that lot permanently, and trade it for the one across the Platz that’s underused as a “store for citizens”. The few citizen vendors we have can be moved into the expanded location, or elsewhere, fairly easily. No — we have no conflict on interest laws in CDS 🙁 so I as chancellor in fact would be permitted to do this myself! Even though it’s my land 🙁 But that’s not how we should work.
Jamie Palisades: SO I will ask the RA to approve the swap at its next meeting.
Patroklus Murakami: i’m just commenting on your ‘we ought to do this’ comment thrown in to your report. no plan from anybody contained in my comments 🙂
Jamie Palisades: If not I will restore the old bldg as is. in two weeks 🙂
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Jamie. I see you’ve reached item 5 of 5.
Jamie Palisades: I sam not yet ready to say we ought to do anything with AA Pat, other than talk to them, and listen.. ideally, more of the latter than the former.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: seems peaceful enough, the tourism office was a great idea
Jamie Palisades: Thanks Gywn, got good pings on the objects there
Gwyneth Llewelyn: as for AA… hehe…. ‘let’s open conversations’, that’s all I can say for now 😉
Justice Soothsayer: Though 4(c) is a humdinger.
Jamie Palisades: thanks mostly to Rose’s concerts 😀 events evente events
Pip Torok: like JS must leave now
Jamie Palisades: ?me smiles plesantly – As we are a faction centric system I expetc to be taking to each faction that will chat with me about AA in the next two weeks.
Flyingroc Chung: I need to go as well
Justice Soothsayer: Yup, Pip.
Justice Soothsayer: But I’ll be glad to let the discussion continue without me, as there is nothing to vote on.
Moon Adamant has indicated consent to be recorded.
Patroklus Murakami: what approach have you had from AA jamie?
Justice Soothsayer: I’ll just ask Gwyn to return the recording device to me at the end of the meeting.
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Justice Soothsayer: Very interesting report, Jamie. I;ll look forward to elaboration in the forums.
Jamie Palisades notes Pat’s Q and is waiting for the post-meeting amenities – we can go on a few mins informally, hmn?
Justice Soothsayer: Sorry I have to depart.
Jamie Palisades: Thanks Justice
Moon Adamant: bye Justice, and thanks
Jamie Palisades: OK
Jamie Palisades: iunformal chat, about AA
Jamie Palisades: I note there are multiple conflicts of interest here
Jamie Palisades: many CDS citizens own there, among other things
Jamie Palisades: including me
Jamie Palisades: they were established by CDS citizens
Jamie Palisades: who could have doen it within CDS
Arria Perreault: – Map of the 4 sims is rezzing (for Symo) 😉 –
Jamie Palisades: but then I suppose Cedar Isalnd, SLNE and others “could have” as well, so no crticism of any one
Jamie Palisades: for that matter 🙂
Jamie Palisades: any number of ventures of our citizens could have attached to CDS
Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles 🙂
Jamie Palisades: Arria is good enough to suggest it
Jamie Palisades: others preferred to go their own way
Jamie Palisades: now
Jamie Palisades: before AA
Jamie Palisades: let me say
Jamie Palisades: ‘I;m talking to some others too
Jamie Palisades: if we have a citizen doing cool stuff
Jamie Palisades: why NOIT ask the if it would work well attached to CDS?
Jamie Palisades: *ask them
Jamie Palisades: but
Jamie Palisades: courtest and diplomacy do NOT work by waving a flag
Jamie Palisades: imagine 🙂 if AI wanted to ask Gwyn and Moon’s Beta Tech to move this islands home to attach to us
Patroklus Murakami: sorry, but i don’t get the ‘why’. AA was set up independently of the CDS. and there’s nothing wrong with that. why an approach for ‘adjoinment’? what has been discussed?
Jamie Palisades: would they want us to TALk to them first?
Jamie Palisades: or just post a forum screed?
Jamie Palisades: 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 🙂
Moon Adamant: i would like to chime in when possible
Jamie Palisades points to the “conquistador” remarks earlier
Jamie Palisades: now as to AA
Jamie Palisades: it;s a year old
Jamie Palisades: its original plans were not fully realized
Gwyneth Llewelyn: sure, Moon, we have no LRA ? but you’re fine to talk after Jamie’s finished 😉
Jamie Palisades: it is reorganzing
Jamie Palisades: Thank you madame boss in limbo 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Jamie Palisades: (can we PLEASE get an official LRA-deputy law in place?)
Jamie Palisades: ahem 🙂 AA
Jamie Palisades: it is reorganzing
Jamie Palisades: there’s virtuous overlap
Jamie Palisades: they are interested in some of the same thigns as us, to wit:
Jamie Palisades: (a) selfgovernance experiments
Jamie Palisades: (b) string well executed and scenic themes
Jamie Palisades: *strong
Jamie Palisades: and (c) broadly speaking, nonprofit status
Jamie Palisades: there is no Gwyn for Beta , no Su for SLNE, no Jo for Cedar — just a nonprofit which intended to own in tryst
Jamie Palisades: trust
Jamie Palisades: btw
Jamie Palisades: for those who don;t know
Jamie Palisades: Our Rose fills that role for them, rather like Sudane does for CDS
Jamie Palisades: so
Jamie Palisades: we are sort of thematically compatible,
Jamie Palisades: but there also are incomptaibilities
Jamie Palisades: among which I see these
Patroklus Murakami: jamie, i think we need a ‘forum screed’ to set out what’s being proposed. it’s all very well for people to be talking to each other but we need some transparency in government. this is the first time most of us have heard about this idea
Jamie Palisades: (a) different theme andthey want to keep it – woud likely rject a plan that lets us change it, ever theorerically
Moon Adamant: I would say that Jamie is giving us all the info he can atm
Jamie Palisades: (b) A much more communtarian, Cedar Isle-like, much less fractious and triumphalist governmetn than CDS
Jamie Palisades: sorry, Pat, did you want to interrupr again? I can stop if you like
Jamie Palisades: oi fat I thikn I wikll
Jamie Palisades: 🙂 Let;’s give the Guild and Arria a chance to prepare
Jamie Palisades: they need it 🙂
Moon Adamant: may i speak then?
Patroklus Murakami: i thought we were able to ask question? do i have to wait for a while til you’re finished?
Jamie Palisades: and Pat – i will NOT make web postings about this until I have woprds I feel are APPROPRIATRW to CONSPICUOUS posting because — duh — AA reads the web tooi
Jamie Palisades: This is a prelimiary, iunformal meeting.
Jamie Palisades: Where we can talk more in an exploratory way 🙂
Jamie Palisades: Or not, acording to your taste, Pat.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: For the sake of keeping order, I’d just sahy the following: let us listen to Jamie until the end, then Moon next, and finally Pat again
Jamie Palisades: I believ eI wil lresere any other coments and listen happil y to the veiws of others 🙂
Moon Adamant: ok
Moon Adamant: then i’ll start
Patroklus Murakami: umm. transparency? and jamie’s been talking since 10:30. when does anyone else get a word in? /me waits for moon…
Moon Adamant: first of all, i don’t think that AA and CDS sharing citizens invalidate any tentative of approach
Moon Adamant: that would be a bit like saying if you own land in NFS, you can’y own it in CN
Moon Adamant: i myself have a house in Cedar and an part of teh Cedar Community
Jamie Palisades: I objetc to Mr Muyrakami;s insinutaions. I expect civlity. You asked for a report. informally Or rather, the RA did., They have receievd as much of it as I have been POERMITTED to give civilly.
Moon Adamant: looking at the idea from a technical pov
Moon Adamant: which is as always my main concern
Moon Adamant: it would allow us to test Symo’s GMP notion of clusters
Moon Adamant: and that would be extremely interesting from an urbanistic pov
Moon Adamant: that’s it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Moon. pat?
Patroklus Murakami: i’d just like some transparency in govnt
Patroklus Murakami: this is the first time this idea has been publicly aired
Patroklus Murakami: yet it’s clear that some have been talking about it for a while
Patroklus Murakami: let’s have that out in the open, on the forums where all our citizens can read
Patroklus Murakami: let’s know waht the proposal is from AA
Jamie Palisades sighs at politics as usual: Mr former LRA, I invite you to give me detail on any matter where you think transparency is required or advisable and has not been provided. I ask you not to bandy about slurs if there aren’t any.
Patroklus Murakami: and what changes that might require in the CDS
Jamie Palisades: THERE IS NO PROPOSAL YET — clear enough?>
Patroklus Murakami: could i finish?
Patroklus Murakami: and i haven’t bandied any slurs
Jamie Palisades: Oh, sorry, are interrupotions inappropriate? 🙂
Jamie Palisades: in this informal chat?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
Patroklus Murakami: i believe i have the floor
Jamie Palisades: Indees sigh 🙂
Patroklus Murakami: it’s very disturbing that you react so badly to the request for openness
Patroklus Murakami: when there’s a proposal, let’s make it public
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, Pat, it is my understanding that Jamie’s presentation today is not a ‘formal proposal’ but just an open announcement that some citizens here (and in the AA) are giving this idea some thought. Nothing more 🙂 So the ‘project’ is at Stage Zerol.
Patroklus Murakami: that’s all i’m asking for
Patroklus Murakami: well, one of the things that jamie said is that this would require changes to our structures to accomodate AA
Patroklus Murakami: that is a statement that sets lots of hares running!
Patroklus Murakami: and suggests that some thinking on the question has already been done
Patroklus Murakami: i’d just like us all to be on the same page so we can assess the proposal
Patroklus Murakami: it may well have merit
Patroklus Murakami: i haven’t written off the idea by any means
Patroklus Murakami: but let’s *see* it please 🙂
Patroklus Murakami: that’s all from me
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok ty 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: any reply to that, jamie?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, if not…
Jamie Palisades: Not at this place and time. I will consider what to say after being accused of lack of transparency for annouciung nascent ideas under development.
Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I just have a slight announcement, and then I’d move we adjourn, since the Guild requires some of the people here to attend 🙂
Rose Springvale: i’d like to make announcments too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’ve been neglecting my duties in chairing the Election & the Ethics Committees
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (ok, Rose, you next 😉 )
Symo Kurka: Well let’s keep it smooth it’s not a crime talking about Sim merge
Delia Lake was thinking the same as Symo….
Jamie Palisades: IThe suggestion that the CURRENT government lacks openness .. from longtime CDS government people … gives me strange coughing fits that seem to impar my speaking ability 🙂 sorry
Gwyneth Llewelyn: so I’m suggesting to do a ‘long’ meeting of the Election Committee next Saturday or Sunday perhaps, and try to go through the three points not discussed yet
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and that would be the one-before-last meeting of the Election Committee
Patroklus Murakami: i’ve clearly hit on a sore point 🙂
Gwyneth Llewelyn: the last one would be approving a document with recommendations,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and after that, it would be presented in the RA for open discussion
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s it.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, please… your announcements 🙂
Jamie Palisades: Old wounds, son 🙂 SOme of us do not find sport in jupmign on them. .. Others want World of Statecraft 🙂RA Meeting – 9 November 2008
RA Meeting – 23 November 2008
RA Meeting – 7 December 2008
RA Meeting – 21 December 2008
RA Meeting – 4 January 2009
RA Meeting 4 January 2009
Summary:
The 9th RA of the CDS met on 4 January 2009 and:
• * selected Gwyneth Llewellyn as the LRA pro tempore
• * adopted the Land Sales Reclamation Act, as amended
• * adopted the Land Sales Listing Improvement Act
Arria Perreault: Hi Pip
Arria Perreault: Hi Rubaiyat
Pip Torok: hi Arria! …
Arria Perreault has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: The agenda is located in the notecard dispenser on the table, and at viewtopic.php?f=2&p=12597
Justice Soothsayer: First item: please touch the recorder on the table to indicate your consent to recording.
Symo Kurka has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: Second item: is the proposed agenda acceptable?
Lilith Ivory has indicated consent to be recorded.
Pip Torok has indicated consent to be recorded.
Rubaiyat Shatner: yes, acceptable
Pip Torok: acceptable
Arria Perreault: ok
Justice Soothsayer: OK
Arria Perreault: Hi Kedwyn
Kedwyn Parmelee: hi
Pip Torok: hi Kedwyn!
Justice Soothsayer: IS there anyone not on the RA who wants to sign up to speak on any of the agenda items?
Timo Gufler: hi
Arria Perreault: Hi Timo
Symo Kurka: Hello Timo
Pip Torok: good to see you Timo …
Timo Gufler:
Justice Soothsayer: OK, moving on….
Justice Soothsayer: I just want to note that our next scheduled meeting is on 18 January , not 17 January as noted on the agenda
Lilith Ivory: hi moon
Moon Adamant: hi hi
Arria Perreault: Hi Gwyn, Hi Moon, Hi Sonja
Lilith Ivory: am I sitting at your place?
Sonja Strom: Hi everybody
Justice Soothsayer: That will be after the polls are closed, I think, so we w ill have one last “lame duck” session.
Moon Adamant: and hello everyone
Pip Torok: hi moon
Timo Gufler: hi Moon and Sonja!
Justice Soothsayer: so we can really mess things up for the next RA.
Justice Soothsayer:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi everybody and Happy new Year!
Sonja Strom: Yay, Happy New Year!
Justice Soothsayer: The next item on our agenda is the selection of an LRA pro tempore (for this month). I was going to nominate Gwyn if she didn’t show up today.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ^^
Rubaiyat Shatner: lol, the wheels of government
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lucky me, mmh?
Arria Perreault:
Justice Soothsayer: so the floor is open for any nominations. Anyone?
Moon Adamant: Happy New Year, everyone
Gwyneth Llewelyn: January will be a tough month for me…
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, February will me *much worse*
Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
Justice Soothsayer: it is only a 26 day term!
Arria Perreault: one or two meetings …
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, but 26 *rch* days
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *rich even
Gwyneth Llewelyn: an election in the middle
Justice Soothsayer: I guess I’ll nominate Gwyn even though she did show up today.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Can I vote against myself???
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If so, I will do that!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Nay nay nay naaaay
Justice Soothsayer: twist arms of others, then, Gwyn.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh I hate to do that…
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Arria Perreault: I second this proposition
Justice Soothsayer: Any othern nominations?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Arria!
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shakes head*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
Justice Soothsayer: Going once…
Arria Perreault: my arms are in pixels, np
Gwyneth Llewelyn *covers her eyes*
Justice Soothsayer: ready for a vote? All in favor of Gwyn for LRA pro tempore?
Arria Perreault: aye
Gwyneth Llewelyn: N. A. Y.
Pip Torok: aye
Justice Soothsayer votes aye
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :p
Rubaiyat Shatner: this frightens me
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good
Pip Torok: hi rose
Justice Soothsayer: Nice to have a reluctant deputy leader. She won’t try to depose me.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: it’s the owl staring at us, Ruba
Rose Springvale waves
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh, never!
Justice Soothsayer: Congrats, Gwyn.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and hiya Rose
Arria Perreault: Hi Rose
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You mean, “my deep feelings”?
Lilith Ivory: hi Rose
Justice Soothsayer: Item II b: report from Guild. Moon?
Gwyneth Llewelyn rezzes a coffin and goes 6 feet under
Sonja Strom has indicated consent to be recorded.
Moon Adamant: hm
Moon Adamant: well, the Guild on its last session
Moon Adamant: has decided to prepare a plan for re-deployment of CN City SE corner
Sonja Strom: Hi Solomon
Pip Torok: hi Solomon!
Solomon Mosely: morning
Moon Adamant: since we do have lots for sale there now
Moon Adamant: and a white elpehant in top of them
Justice Soothsayer: who is working on that plan, Moon? I’d like to prove some personal input.
Moon Adamant: this project will follow the usual proceeding
Moon Adamant: well, i have prepared a proposal for the reparcelling which will be discussed in the meeting after this one
Moon Adamant: if approved, then we’ll go through the steps of preparing a budget, etc
Arria Perreault: It’s a great idea. I ask me if it is not time to make some political decisions too
Pip Torok: ??
Arria Perreault: for example to decide that the redeployed area is commercial
Arria Perreault: we had this debat some months before about making some plots commercial
Justice Soothsayer: I guess related to that is my question: what is the status of our request for a report on rents (done in collaboration between Guild & Executive)?
Moon Adamant: uh
Arria Perreault: when there is a owner, it’s complicated
Moon Adamant: atm i can’t comment on those
Arria Perreault: now these plots are empty
Arria Perreault: I think that we have to discuss this question with the Chancellor who is working on the economic development plan
Moon Adamant: well, if that helps
Moon Adamant: all of teh area inside the city walls of CN is commercial/residential
Moon Adamant: with the stalls being only commercial
Arria Perreault: we can also decide that we allow to give some plces for rent in this area
Arria Perreault: the fact that all these plots are empty now is a unique chance to make changes
Pip Torok: hi Jamie!
Sonja Strom: Hi Jamie!
Moon Adamant: well, definetely from the parcelling and building pov
Arria Perreault: a lot a designer would interested to rent a small shop, especially for roman stuff
Lilith Ivory: hi Jamie
Moon Adamant: hi Jamie
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just in time, Jamie, welcome!
Jamie Palisades nods, smiles, listens
Arria Perreault: Hi Jamie
Jamie Palisades: I;m due at 930. Happy new year all. Did I miss the guild report, then?
Moon Adamant: yes
Arria Perreault: we are talking about redeployment
Arria Perreault: of CN
Moon Adamant: redeployment of CN’s city SE corner
Jamie Palisades: That would be the forrmer Emporio Romani and toga shop space?
Moon Adamant: yes
Arria Perreault: and I was asking if we can take this unique chance to make changes, especially with the economic development plan
Moon Adamant: uploading the image
Moon Adamant: there… it’s really not much
Moon Adamant: same number of parcels, but creation of a street
Moon Adamant: also some adjustment because of the Minerva temple
Jamie Palisades: it simply permits independent access to all lots from the main via, as opposed to the “cleopatra” alley, no?
Moon Adamant: yes
Moon Adamant: also it forbids hmmm
Moon Adamant: the creation of a new emporium, but allows the creation of two large shops if parcels are joined
Moon Adamant: and resolves better the parcel hmm
Arria Perreault: One good idea would be that CDS keep the property of this land and give spaces for rent to open small shops
Moon Adamant: C-12
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Uh.oh, Arria…
Arria Perreault: Citizen cannot give places for rent, maybe CDS can
Jamie Palisades: Arria, if the RA elects in the future to allow rentals, which I support and Miss Llewelyn opposes on political ground, that would be a great use of the space. There’s a thread on this in the web forums.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually, on constitutional grounds
Arria Perreault: we can adapt our laws
Jamie Palisades: easily amended by a wise RA, dear. However, we had a number of land, owner and sale reform ideas .. the first two are in your docket. Rent issues was another later one.
Justice Soothsayer: sorry folks. #$##$^^ laptop
Sonja Strom: lol
Rubaiyat Shatner: that was rather convenient after appointing gwyn
Jamie Palisades: hmm – I seem to have that brand of laptop, too
Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles @ Ruba
Justice Soothsayer: I trust the power didn’t go to her head
Rubaiyat Shatner: maybe it was a test…
Moon Adamant: mind you that the dock stalls in CN were never occupied
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, so we have space for small shops already…
Moon Adamant: so i am not sure of the need for small shops
Gwyneth Llewelyn: small shops = more small sales = harder to fill in
Gwyneth Llewelyn: also, we have the ALtenburg quarter for that too?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Granted, it’s not in CN…
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But it’s also waiting for redevelopment.
Arria Perreault: small shops are mainly used to advertise the biggest shop of a designer
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Arria, sure, but how small is small?
Arria Perreault: a nice choice of designers can be attractive
Moon Adamant: the altenburg quarter can support a commercial function, like i believe all the inner city of NFS
Rose Springvale tried that with the ER, great designers, no sales
Moon Adamant: but mind you that the biggest plot in Altenstadt will support only 90 prims
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, even a tiny shop to “advertise” for a designer needs mmmh some 50-100 prims left
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly, Moon
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and in NFS, at least we can get “prim plots”
Moon Adamant: exactly, and you must take the building and props out of that
Jamie Palisades: the dock stalls had no traffic to support then, MoonGwyn
Arria Perreault: In Winterfell, they sell stuffs from Middle Age; In Roma stuffs from Roma
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, I have a prime location on the Forum, and just 13 prims on t
Jamie Palisades: and I;m not sure you need 100 prims, seeing other suceeesful markets, GywnMoon
Justice Soothsayer: I should mention that I bought plot C15 when it came available, mainly to change it from a purveyor of sex beds. I’ll gladly contribute that parcel back to redevelopment as it adjoins the targeted corner.
Justice Soothsayer: *C16
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps not 100 but 50..
Moon Adamant: oh
Moon Adamant: let me see
Arria Perreault: same with my parcel
Jamie Palisades: hm
Rose Springvale: raises hand
Jamie Palisades: happy to go with the freeform chat for now, just listening
Moon Adamant: thank you both, but those plots aren’t part of the issue
Arria Perreault: I am ready to put it in the basket or to buy the parcel behind to make it bigger
Justice Soothsayer: just jump in for now, Rose
Rose Springvale: thanks justice
Arria Perreault: but the 2 parcels should be merged
Arria Perreault: C14 and C15
Rose Springvale: I tried several different marketing options in the ER
Moon Adamant: i mean, those plots are correct and ok
Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.
Rose Springvale: and satir and i own the SDC roman outpost on the forum
Rose Springvale: sales here are dismal
Moon Adamant: well, Arria, that is an idea as well
Rose Springvale: regardless of the designer
Gwyneth Llewelyn: True, Rose, very true
Rose Springvale: doesn’t seem to matter if the goods ar themed or not.. what DOES matter
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We simply don’t have enough traffic; due to direct teleporting, people will go directly to where the events are, they don’t bother with shopping.
Rose Springvale: is that there is more than one or two shops to look in
Rose Springvale: even the toga shop brought traffic
Arria Perreault: I would like to build a real urban villa to sell the textures (mosaics, paintings)
Jamie Palisades: hm
Jamie Palisades: do we regret direct TP, Gwyn?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, you know what I said back then.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I haven’t changed my opinion
Jamie Palisades: certainly almost all serious commecial mall efforts in SL leverage it
Jamie Palisades: but we ran ito a different question here: which is, are we really a mall?
Pip Torok: hi Kattie welcome to our meeting
Moon Adamant: hmmm
Jamie Palisades:
Sonja Strom: Hi Kattie!
Kattie Belgar: hi
Moon Adamant: yes, just what i was thinking jamie
Moon Adamant: i am not sure that our primary function is a commercial one
Jamie Palisades: the last RA’s attempt to impose strong incentives for commercial land use was torpepoed by this RA
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Jamie Palisades: CSDF, really,, as I recall
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Jamie Palisades: so I asume your answer f :no”
Moon Adamant: well, it did grant eminent domain to a private NGO
Jamie Palisades: thus, if we are not a mall, well, is commercial space irrelevant?
Moon Adamant: i am suure you wouldn’t like that Jamie
Jamie Palisades: no, it was an advisory role, and is moot now
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Jamie, the CSDF is pro-encouragement of commercial activity, not pro-penalties towards the poor designers who scarcely make any sale
Moon Adamant: this is what i think
Justice Soothsayer: lets not re-hash that debate again and again
Moon Adamant: our main function essentially is a community function
Jamie Palisades: not sure Moon the majority of voters here seem to have been happy with “commercial” = moribund faction offices and the like. Vox populi vox dei.
Moon Adamant: most of our citizens have places elsewhere, but here we do meet
Moon Adamant: as we grow up, we’ll have a more fixed population
Jamie Palisades: yes indeed. The number of people who PRIMARILY live in CDS is oddly small .. even for political leaders
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh in that case, Moon, I’ll have to agree again with Arria’s proposal of “many small shops” then…
Moon Adamant: not necessarily
Solomon Mosely: raises hand
Moon Adamant: what i think is that our population isn’t sufficient atm to provide its own commercial traffic
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes, Jamie… *if* SL would be all a Big Mainland, the entire CDS would be the “city”, where events happen, but where few people would live… they’d be in teh suburbs
Jamie Palisades: /but we were talking about Guild, and the ER space – Moon did we step on your topic?
Arria Perreault: I am in favor of a clever commercial activity related to our themes
Moon Adamant: well, a bit
Moon Adamant:
Moon Adamant: i just have a proposal for approval at the Guild
Moon Adamant:
Arria Perreault: look at Roma or at Winterfee
Jamie Palisades listens , looks to the distinguished roman senator with the Superman cape for topic guidance
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
Justice Soothsayer: Time for guild discussion has gone beyond its schedule. Moon, do you want to add anything else efore Solomon gets a question?
Moon Adamant: no, nothing
Arria Perreault: Winterfell*
Justice Soothsayer: lol
Justice Soothsayer: Solomon?
Solomon Mosely: well, back to the use of those stalls,
Solomon Mosely: what if those stalls around the center and telehub housed satelite shops of existing cds shops with tps to main stores. and then we continue to offer those spaces for rent from the cds. that way the place looks full to potential renters as well as displays cds shops in obscure locations.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh.
Solomon Mosely: marketing of cds is a separate issue
Moon Adamant: that could be an use indeed, Solomon
Moon Adamant: though the fact is
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, indeed.
Moon Adamant: that they’ve been standing there for two years +
Pip Torok: certainly something to consider
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Moon Adamant: and nobody has thought of that yet
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol true! nothing like fresh ideas
Solomon Mosely: you guys are inspiring
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually I think that you are inspiring, Solomon… that’s actually a pretty good idea.
Jamie Palisades: sorry, what’s been standing, moon?
Moon Adamant: the stalls and deck stalls at CN
Jamie Palisades: and I agree, a good strategy to test, thanks
Justice Soothsayer: OK, time is up on is agenda item. Can we move on to Chancellor’s report, since we have at least 2 bills to consider as well?
Rose Springvale: i think hte dock stalls are ful.. brian has a store there
Arria Perreault: yes, and wehave to find solutions for the empty plots first
Jamie Palisades: ready when you are, sir.
Justice Soothsayer waits for typing gestures to subside
Pip Torok: before we do that I suggest someone makes a proposal for the next RA concerning Solomon’s idea .. with the intention of trying it out ASAP
Arria Perreault: and the current owners of these stalls?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’ll be happy to second a motion to let the Guild propose a project based on Solomon’s suggestion.
Moon Adamant: if no more questions for the Guild, i would like to go and prepare the meeting
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, that would fall into the label of “eminent domain”, Arria.
Solomon Mosely: if the structure is going to be cds owned do upgrades now tho
Justice Soothsayer: I think we can refer this to the Guild for further discussion, since today’s conversation was meant to give some input.
Arria Perreault: let’s ask the owner first
Jamie Palisades: Good question, Arria, but a review of the concept to develop it and see if it has merit, need not await ownership decisions.
Justice Soothsayer: Let’s move on to Jamie’s report, please.
Jamie Palisades: it might work in multiple places, in any case
Moon Adamant: ok, see you all in one hour then
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Moon Adamant: thank you all
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Moon.
Jamie Palisades: Thank you, Moon.
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, you have the floor.
Jamie Palisades: As she leaves, let me just ask: Guild today?
Justice Soothsayer: At 11, I think,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
Jamie Palisades: thx
Jamie Palisades: OK.
Jamie Palisades: We’ve had a quiet month, albeit with successful music events (largely atended by nonresidents, and we continue to get a few prospects for new residents from each one.)
Jamie Palisades: A quick show of hands question on that
Jamie Palisades: some estates send out a blue screen welcome notice for each new permanent resident
Jamie Palisades: I rather like that
Jamie Palisades: I was counsuled against it as spammish
Jamie Palisades: an alternative would be once a month
Jamie Palisades: what do you all think? we’re talkg abotu 2-3 a month tops, at current volume
Jamie Palisades: any question yes or no reactions?
Jamie Palisades: *quick yes or no
Pip Torok: once a month on a set date seems ok Jamie
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’d love a one-per month “Welcome, New CDS Citizens!” party but I have no problem with the ‘spamming’ either.
Arria Perreault: I agree with Pip
Justice Soothsayer: by welcome notice, you mean an announcement to the community that New Avatar has joined us?
Jamie Palisades: yes, Justice
Arria Perreault: (and why not a welcoming party
Pip Torok: yes PLUS those new avatars who havew become citizens
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, arria
Justice Soothsayer: Sounds OK to me, and a periodic welcoming party would be good too.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay
Jamie Palisades: ok .. anyway, no need for a long analysis but I am getting generally positive reactions. Good, thanks, we try not to spam too much on the blue CDS group
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Pip Torok: For the record I’d be happy to offer “Arpar del Pip” for them
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Compared to others, Jamie, we’re almost *boring*
Justice Soothsayer: And I’ll second Jamie’s thanks to Rose, as I’ve been able to attend some of the musical events over the holidays and they are all exceptionally done!
Jamie Palisades: LL Winterfaire listed us as an attraction, which brought traffic to a concert and the CDS info display added temporarily to the CN docs.
Jamie Palisades: Kudos to Rose, no surprise, for wangling us the listing.
Jamie Palisades: Man do those LL search thingies drive traffic
Gwyneth Llewelyn applauds Rose’s efforts once more
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh they do.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No question about that!
Jamie Palisades: Good classical holiday concerts – we were pleased to see high turnout
Sonja Strom:
Jamie Palisades: and Great owl contest go look, if you have not, on the CN to LA path. Our own Keila and Richie won first place.
Jamie Palisades: On land.
Jamie Palisades: Our expansion plan stopped for a bit in reaction to the ecnoomy, which I think was the right thing.
Jamie Palisades: Now we are looking in part to the Guild’s GMP re-fresh project, newly launched, for data and guidance.
Jamie Palisades: As a separate thread from generic expansion options, our chats with and about AlAndalus ran into some interesting reactions. If we get our own hosue in order, that may be the next topic to take up again.
Jamie Palisades: Though I still see our own land and admin issues as being the first proper priority of this RA.
Jamie Palisades: All flag debates aside
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Jamie Palisades: as for the land “market” (I’m 2/3rd of the way through, Justuce)
Jamie Palisades: I note that Two parcels *show* for sale in CN.
Jamie Palisades: Seven in LA, which is down to a more manageable number.
Jamie Palisades: Enough are clustered at LA’s “naked” southern border that I feel confident it will improve further, once the scenic flaw of the sim break next to Alpine Meadows is solved .. whether by parkland, or otherwise.
Jamie Palisades: .. which I expect will be an early financial issue for …
Jamie Palisades flips calendar momentarily …
Jamie Palisades: .. the 10th RA once seated.
Jamie Palisades: (A word on that at the end of my commens.)
Jamie Palisades: There are 10 commercial lots in NFS. Three are or shortly likely will be empty.
Jamie Palisades: There are 18 commercial lots in NFS. Between 8 and 10 are or shortly likely will be empty.
Arria Perreault: CN?
Jamie Palisades: oooops
Jamie Palisades: yes, CN on the lattern sorry Thanks, Arria
Jamie Palisades: Our current laws
Jamie Palisades: see http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=226
Justice Soothsayer: Those 8 to 10 being the area we were just discussing, no?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh definitely part of it
Jamie Palisades: They are most but not all, yes.
Jamie Palisades: .. those laws … current require than I set aside (small smile) 15& of abandoned-to-the-Confederation commercial land
Jamie Palisades: at a minimum, for a competitive bid for commercial development at a 50% rent rate
Jamie Palisades: look at the law, you weill see that there are some other requirements
Jamie Palisades: suffice to say
Jamie Palisades: I can and will, now that the holidays are over and attention spans are waking up again
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Jamie Palisades: announce that arragement as an open bid, tomorow, with respect to the land OTHER than the “ER” six plots, for now.
Jamie Palisades: It’s been clear that a litle fiddling of the ER plot boundaries was imminent.
Jamie Palisades: It;s my read of the law (and of our best fiscal choice) that I can do that with more than 15%, so I plan to do so as noted above.
Jamie Palisades: now
Jamie Palisades: last item on land
Jamie Palisades: there are also four new replatted resident plots in NFS on the old Altstadt
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay
Jamie Palisades: for those of you hwo were uttely outside of SL last month, we held a very wellk received and moving memorial service for Kendra Bancroft there.
Jamie Palisades: fittingly
Jamie Palisades: and the path, of course, has long been “KendraStrasse”
Jamie Palisades: so Moon was kind enough to help me make a few adjustments
Jamie Palisades: wiht the result that the park there is now a memorial as well.
Justice Soothsayer: very nice
Jamie Palisades: Go take a look
Jamie Palisades: and thanks again to Moon for that.
Jamie Palisades: As for the lots
Jamie Palisades: there were multiple interested parties.
Pip Torok: hi Sudane
Sonja Strom: hi Sudane!
Sudane Erato: hi
Arria Perreault: Hi Sudane
Lilith Ivory: hi Sudane
Jamie Palisades: so I also plan to offer them for sale with advance notice .. to give folks someth9ing other than a sheer serendipitous land rush chance
Sudane Erato: hi hi
Gwyneth Llewelyn *waves* at Sudane
Jamie Palisades: however the way we do that will depend on today’s RA actions
Arria Perreault: I have a question (very practical)
Jamie Palisades: because the laws on your docket afect what we can do.
Jamie Palisades: Done on land.
Jamie Palisades: Fionally, may I just publicly note the upcoming elections for RA.
Jamie Palisades: Hm – have we seen the list of qualified candidates confirmed by the SC yet?
Amaretto Coffee Mug: Yummy!!
Jamie Palisades: I think not
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh! No?
Jamie Palisades: suffice to say, the SC, god bless them …. is in charge
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Jamie Palisades: and with Cindy on vacation shortly, I think that means a small roster
Justice Soothsayer: Just what individuals have posted in the forums, I thin, but one could also sign up to be a candidate by IM to the Dean
Jamie Palisades: so, ah, best of luck to them and to all who depend on them
Justice Soothsayer: *think
Jamie Palisades: heer is the place for the record, where i’d expect any further notices to sppear: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2225
Jamie Palisades: thank you, Justice, and done.
Arria Perreault: I really would like to have the plot behind my villa in CN (C14 I think). As I have two plots, I cannot buy it. But I think that C15 and C 14 could be merged. Would it be possible to buy it in advance in order to merge it or will I fall in an administrative and legal gap and get a new unhappy neighbour soon?
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks Jamie
Jamie Palisades: arria it is EXACTLY that sort of issue, if I may Justice …
Jamie Palisades: .. that su used to manage personally
Arria Perreault: I ask this because in one hour, the Guild will discuss this question and tomorrow land are for sale …(if I have undestrand well)
Jamie Palisades: and now we do with the yellow map and serendipity
Jamie Palisades: and I have probabled (see agenda) that we do differently in the futuer
Jamie Palisades: I;m big on transparency and not so much on insider markets, personally
Arria Perreault: even I will buy it, I am not allowed to do it ….
Justice Soothsayer: not sure Arria got an answer?
Sudane Erato: you could, Arria, if you formed a group
Rubaiyat Shatner: what would it take to permit the joining of the parcels?
Sudane Erato: according to the current law
Arria Perreault: until tomorrow?
Arria Perreault: with who?
Rose Springvale: our eo will resign!
Sudane Erato: *shrug*
Rose Springvale: if we ask for joining parcels
Arria Perreault: eo?
Sudane Erato: yes, she will be extremely unhappy
Rose Springvale: estate owner… = sudane
Arria Perreault: for this case, you should see the map
Jamie Palisades: heh heh
Arria Perreault: the former Cleopatra shop
Sudane Erato: it was owned by a group… which is how they managed so many
Jamie Palisades: it is my reading of the law that it;s unclear as hell and the authors should be put in the public stocks .. however.. the practical effect has been that the RA must approve sgiificant plat maps, and anything with material economic effect (like, say, perturbing the net rental square meters), and tha minor changes that do not have that effect can be done by the likes of Sudane and me. Or our successors.
Jamie Palisades smiles pleasantly
Jamie Palisades mutters .. ooo .. public stocks have to look at the entertainment budget again
Arria Perreault: what can I do (on a very practical base)?
Rose Springvale has a guillotine in inventory, but no stocks…
Kattie Belgar: good bye all was nice to see you
Pip Torok: bye Kattie
Justice Soothsayer: perhaps the dunking booth could be used.
Sonja Strom: bye bye Kattie, thanks for visiting us
Jamie Palisades: nice to meet you Kattie, thanks for stopping by.
Lilith Ivory smiles at Rose
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, I had one other question for you and Sudane. I know we’ve seen a major increase in abandoned CN commercial property, but other than that, has the current economic problems caused us to have any increase in defaults? (question is also related to our next agenda item)
Jamie Palisades: dunking booth, guillotine you say PoTahto …
Sudane Erato: Justice, my informal impression is that defaults are normal
Jamie Palisades: hmmm. Su? My gut is, we took back a passel of abandoned properties just now, but that’s from 3 months ago plus, due to our pokey laws
Sudane Erato: yes, i agree
Jamie Palisades: in other words it;s not indicative of anything special in the last 60 days
Jamie Palisades: and hey, for that matter …
Jamie Palisades: the deadbeats list which we don’t circulate for obvious reasons .. is a litle SHORTER than usual
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That is good, isn’t it?
Justice Soothsayer: good to hear
Sudane Erato: yes
Jamie Palisades: in part, that’s successful sales of parcels to enthuastic, pay-on-time newcomers, smile .. luired by events, hint hint
Justice Soothsayer: Other questions for Jamie before we get to the next item, which is the proposal to un-pokey the land reclamation law.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But what does it indicate? More new citizens, or higher retention rates?
Jamie Palisades: (but of both, so far)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, so more new citizens, ok
Justice Soothsayer: On to the next item, then: Land Sales Reclamation Act.
Justice Soothsayer: the draft bill has been on the forums and is available as a notecard from the dispenser on the table.
Jamie Palisades: may I also just selfishly toss in the URI here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2217
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, was it your intention that Paragraph 6 be included? It is in brackets in the notecard.
Jamie Palisades looks
Jamie Palisades: Yes.
Gwyneth Llewelyn wonders if we hadn’t discussed the wording around ‘provisional citizens’ before…
Sudane Erato has indicated consent to be recorded.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ie. just the NAME
Gwyneth Llewelyn: not what it means being one
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I suppose that “delinquent citizens” even sounds more horrible…
Jamie Palisades: as to para 7, yes, include please, otherwise it’s a glaring loophole – i thin Gwyn and I had a bit of tete-a-tete on this in the RA when it last came up
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
Jamie Palisades smiles, whispers – public stocks .. think of it as our keep-out-EO-amused act
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Jamie Palisades: give sudane a nice little black hood
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, a question on 6, which is teh issue of refunds
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Imagine the following stupid scenario, someone owns two plots, one is paid in full for a year, the other is paid every month, and, well, the citizen forgot to pay one month
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What happens?
Jamie Palisades: you or me, su?
Sudane Erato: sorry
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Jamie Palisades consigned Santa Minerva to the holiday props locker
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Sudane Erato: at this time, there is no provision other than to pay each month
Jamie Palisades: under current law before this change? They;re in arrears and get foreclosed after 3 months anyway
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aaah what about the citizens that go away on vacation and are sure they aren’t able to log in to pay?
Jamie Palisades: under the new law, same
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, the 3 months was because the number of citizens who take more than 3 months of “computer vacations” are very very rare…
Jamie Palisades: Gwyn, speaking only as personal opinion, that’s one rason why I went to change software
Jamie Palisades: prepay would solve that one
Pip Torok: IMO a glance at landlord-tenant relatyions and the use of _discretion_ would be useful (only a thought)
Sudane Erato: currently, anyone who will be away need only speak to me, and give me an idea when they will pay… and its fine
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes!
Jamie Palisades: but um – you know, we *have* had workarounds
Jamie Palisades: they’;re just manual and thus annoying
Sudane Erato: most people, however, say nothing
Jamie Palisades: yup
Solomon Mosely: raises hand
Jamie Palisades: it;s the person who is gone from SL entirely, for example, where we are losing rent for months for no good reason
Jamie Palisades goes afk a sec
Justice Soothsayer: Solomon?
Solomon Mosely: yes, well, i had another question about item 6 of the reclamation act
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, jamie. I’ll withdraw my objections, since a) if we have a prepayment system in place, we can arrange for a refunding bill, but since we don’t have it, the question is moot; b) the few cases where *currently* someone will ask Sudane to accept payment for a whole year and ‘forget’ to pay another plot monthly are probably very few
Solomon Mosely: relating to qwyneths earlier question
Sudane Erato: well… when people ask to prepay… i refuse
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gosh, Sudane, you’re terrible
Sudane Erato: yes… and very tired…
Solomon Mosely: ok, because according to #6 (ithink im reading it right) that owner of two parcels with one prepaid and one in default would lose both
Gwyneth Llewelyn makes a mental note never to take any vacations again
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Solomon, exactly ? both AND the right to be a citizen, with all what it implies
Justice Soothsayer happens to know Gwyn rarely travels without computer access
Sudane Erato:
Sudane Erato: well, its up to you all to define citizenship
Sudane Erato: i only collect the tier
Arria Perreault: If we allow people to pay in advance, can we make some bargain for 3 months in advance or 6 months in advance?
Jamie Palisades: Gwyn I suggest we make it simple and mutually agreeable, by making the effectiveness of para 6 contingent on an opportunity for prepayment
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But often without *network* access, Justice
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I totally second that, Jamie
Sudane Erato: administratively, using current software, we have no method to handle any prepayment
Jamie Palisades: workingon wording
Sudane Erato: so, prepayment = new software
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes
Justice Soothsayer notes Item III b on the agenda = new software
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Jamie Palisades: indeed
Jamie Palisades: so
Jamie Palisades: consider adding this sentence at the end of para 6
Jamie Palisades: “However, this paragraph 6 shall only be in force on and after the date on which CDS government has posted a method by which absent landowners can effectively prepay rent, in amoutns at least up to 3 months’ in advance.”
Jamie Palisades: hmm … modulo the typo
Jamie Palisades: “amounts”
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m fine with that hehe
Justice Soothsayer: I’ll second that, along with taking off the brackets to make it clear that para 6 is part of the full bill.
Jamie Palisades smiles – I not longer wear he cape around here, so if that’s an amendment it will need a motion and second Is that Gwyn moves, Justice seconds, then?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmh yes.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (with Justice’s comment of tacking off the brackets, and I removing a typo or two)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *taking even
Justice Soothsayer thinks Jamie needs a cape
Jamie Palisades makes quiet note — see if Adam & Eve has sale on Gravitas!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh gosh, that sentence of mine was full of typos too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Jamie
Sudane Erato:
Jamie Palisades: naah, see, bottom line is actually much more embarrassing than that …
Jamie Palisades leans over whispers to Justcie .. cape envy.
Justice Soothsayer: Any objection to the amendment?
Pip Torok: none
Pip Torok: (at least from me)
Justice Soothsayer: Let us move on the bill as amended, then. Are you ready to vote on it, or any further discussion?
Gwyneth Llewelyn is fine with voting now.
Justice Soothsayer: The vote, then, is on the bill as amended. All in favor, say aye.
Pip Torok: aye
Rubaiyat Shatner: aye
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye !
Justice Soothsayer votes Aye
Justice Soothsayer pauses to wait for Arria
Justice Soothsayer: Well, the motion carries 4-0.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: True
Gwyneth Llewelyn watches the yellow markers on the Map suddenly triplicate… hehe
Justice Soothsayer: Meanwhile, we have only 11 minutes until the scheduled guild meeting
Justice Soothsayer: Next item is ” Land Sales LIsting Improvement Act” (which will take the yellow markers away_
Justice Soothsayer: eventually.
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Justice Soothsayer: Discussion?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, question….
Gwyneth Llewelyn: How will land sales be promoted *besides* that “central listing method”? I mean, additionally to what we have now?
Jamie Palisades: well, gwyn I have four things in mind
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok!
Jamie Palisades: 1. we have brian’s bulletin boards now at the two main hubs
Jamie Palisades: so look, if you haven’t
Jamie Palisades: *go
Jamie Palisades: PIOs are putting nice little in-your-face pictures, right thetre
Jamie Palisades makes happy-chancellor face
Sonja Strom:
Jamie Palisades: 2. I;d expect us to announce *commercial* availability in the group, goign forward
Jamie Palisades: after all any prospect can joint the friends-of group and get that stream, RSS so to speak
Jamie Palisades: 3. web hub
Jamie Palisades: siigh manual for now
Gwyneth Llewelyn: “web hub”, you mean mmh http://slcds.info ?
Jamie Palisades: yes but 4. new software (broken record, me) would give us some augmented display ability
Jamie Palisades: and heh heh
Jamie Palisades: next term , they/we should decide whether we list on SLX too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: OOOOOOOH
Sonja Strom: X-Street
Gwyneth Llewelyn: YES!!!!!
Arria Perreault: sorry (I was ok anyway …)
Jamie Palisades:
Justice Soothsayer: wb Arria
Jamie Palisades points to the legislation draft itself, viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2218
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, I was wondering if you have an estimate of time/cost of delivering a “central listing method”, even just a ballpark estimate at this time
Jamie Palisades: yes.
Gwyneth Llewelyn removes any of her potential objections on this bill, and would like to hear about the estimate as well.
Jamie Palisades: 1. the hub bulletin boards (inworld) actually qualify NOW but
Jamie Palisades: 2. realyl it was the softeware with display capability I was keening towards
Jamie Palisades: and that is, oh, a wek after we buy it
Jamie Palisades: *week
Jamie Palisades: so
Jamie Palisades: budget obstacles aside
Jamie Palisades: I plan to have it installed before my term ends , e.g., end of this calendar month
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok ))
Jamie Palisades: that factors in a bit of pass-it-around-get-feedback-on-the-interface
Jamie Palisades: in the best traditions of CDS, grin
Arria Perreault says Aye on the Land Reclamation bill (for the record)
Justice Soothsayer: a week would set a land speed record around here.
Justice Soothsayer: for the feedback loop, that is.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I’m ready to vote aye, too
Jamie Palisades: (a week after buy to deploy) (this month, i.e. 3 weeks or so, for the feedback loop, before buy)
Rubaiyat Shatner: me as well
Justice Soothsayer: Arria was stating her vote in favor of the previous bill for the record.
Justice Soothsayer: We are now on the Land Listings bill, and it seems we are ready to vote.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh oops, sorry Justice
Justice Soothsayer: So, please state your vote noew on the Land Listings bill.
Justice Soothsayer: *now
Jamie Palisades has indicated consent to be recorded.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye on that!
Rubaiyat Shatner: awww brian
Brian Livingston: Whhops, sorry :p
Jamie Palisades: wasn;t that cute
Rubaiyat Shatner: it was
Jamie Palisades: and people say *I* suck up to the RA, tsk
Justice Soothsayer: heh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: A *mining* brian?
Brian Livingston: Gotta pay the bills :p
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Justice Soothsayer votes Aye on land listings bill
Rubaiyat Shatner: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Arria Perreault votes Aye
Gwyneth Llewelyn had voted aye too in case it wasn’t clear
Justice Soothsayer: Motion carries.
Justice Soothsayer: Lot of work to do, Jamie. Thanks in advance.
Justice Soothsayer: OK, we are now past our 11 am adjournment, and still have budget to discuss and open discussion.
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, are you ready to talk about revisign the budget, or has time caught up with us on this?
Justice Soothsayer: most of the budget period having already expired, that is.
Jamie Palisades: Justice, I’d say it should be a higher item in 2 weeks and plently of time for it then – because that will give this RA a thoughtful chance to giev the next RA its collective take
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s your call, either way I’m fine
Jamie Palisades: we are in fact not at risk in the short run because we’re spending as if the higher reserves exist
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Granted, I don’t like to do “major voting” during the campaigning period…
Justice Soothsayer: I’m willing to postpone it for 2 weeks, but ask that Jamie post in the forums his suggestions, especially with regard to increasing reserves.
Justice Soothsayer: That will let the rest of the community participate int he discussion.
Justice Soothsayer: So we are now on to Item II C Open Discussion.
Justice Soothsayer: I just want to again congratulate Rose and the PIO team for an excellent job of events and lots of publicity drawing traffic and new citizens!
Sonja Strom: yaaay!!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay Rose
Rose Springvale smiles … thank you all for supporting
Symo Kurka: me/ appaludes
Lilith Ivory: applause
Jamie Palisades: Yes indeed Cheers, Rose & Brian
Timo Gufler: applause!
Justice Soothsayer: Also, a reminder that polls open on 10 January to 17 January.
Justice Soothsayer: No ebay listings of RA seats here! You have to vote!
Brian Livingston notes there is still tiem to buy his vote Bid High and Bid Often!
Sonja Strom: lol
Brian Livingston is a few seconds too late :/
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha justice
Jamie Palisades: On that, justice, in, ah, lieu of a clear notice from anyone about it, let me mention here what i did on the forums
Justice Soothsayer: hehe
Justice Soothsayer: Claude posted that schedule at viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2226
Jamie Palisades: exec branch usually sets up a RA faction debate
Jamie Palisades: we will offer to do so again.
Jamie Palisades looks at calendar, frowns
Jamie Palisades: probbbbbbbbaly next weekend
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Jamie Palisades: thought I have not heard a thing about whose ballot device is in propscte for use this time. Justice, perhaps you and I should ping Claude.
Justice Soothsayer: Good idea, Jamie.
Jamie Palisades: I’ll do so in e mail and copy you, then
Justice Soothsayer: Any other comments before we adjourn? Open to all.
Brian Livingston: Just a reminder that the electiosn guide is available at: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=election_guide
Rose Springvale: with all the LL traffic
Rose Springvale: we’ve had quite a few people leaving litter. so check your land
Arria Perreault: I would like to know where we are with the idea of fees based on prims.
Sonja Strom: About the litter – if you see some in a public place and can not pick it up please let me know!
Sonja Strom: I will.
Lilith Ivory: You can ask me also
Rose Springvale: remember too you can turn off “build” for all residents on your own land.
Rose Springvale: heading over to guild
Rubaiyat Shatner: are we winding down?
Gwyneth Llewelyn wanted to go over to the Guild too….
Justice Soothsayer: I think we are, though Arria still needs an answer on fees per prims; Guild din’t have much to say on it. Jamie?
Justice Soothsayer: *didn’t
Jamie Palisades: mm good point. Better ask them
Justice Soothsayer: sorry we are adjouring a little late.
Jamie Palisades: one of the drawbacks of volunteers they act on an as-avail basis
Justice Soothsayer: But lets all move over tot he Guild meeting and raise that again.
Jamie Palisades: Cheers all, and thanks, and happy new year!
Justice Soothsayer: So I am declaring the meeting adjourned.
Arria Perreault: tennis play isn’t the best answer
Sonja Strom: so long
Kedwyn Parmelee: \o
Brian Livingston: Same to you Jamie See you all at the Guild Meeting.
The meeting closed at 11:20 Linden time.
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2. Land sales in CDS owned by a citizen are initiated by the citizen, and facilitated and supervised by the CDS Executive Branch. Any land transfer of any kind by any citizen requires notification to the Treasurer of CDS per NL 4-3. [http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=144]