RA Journals 17th Assembly

Representative Assembly Minutes & Transcripts

Per Representative Assembly procedures, all meetings are recorded and transcripts posted for public review. The following are the transcripts for R.A. meetings for the 17th Assembly.

17th Representative Assembly

Swearing in of 17th RA and Meeting 26 May 2012

Callipygian Christensen: Shep..since you are all hee, can we move the swearing in up to now?
Shep (shep.titian): ok well we can go wild for 27 minutes lol
Shep (shep.titian): Drat!!
Trajan Hallard is Online
Shep (shep.titian): lol yes of course Calli
Callipygian Christensen: I think sending out a notice inworld that it is happening and giving a few minutes for anyone wishing to to head over would be fine
Shep (shep.titian): ok
Shep (shep.titian): Will do
Callipygian Christensen: Woud mebers of the incoming RA care to lay claim to a cushion?
Arria Perreault is Online
Tanoujin Milestone is glad to witness such a great meeting
Callipygian Christensen: Tanoujin :)
Rosie Gray: ã‹¡
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): Okay, I feel lonely over here, lol
Pip Torok: lol
Shep (shep.titian): Switch over
Rosie Gray: hehe
Shep (shep.titian): :)
Callipygian Christensen: we will wait a few more minutes in case any citizens are strolling over
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): *drawbacks of a tiny screen-can’t see everyone, lol*
Callipygian Christensen: Did everyone recieve the notecard with the affirmation?
Derrek Scatter is Offline
Shep (shep.titian): Nope
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): I did
Callipygian Christensen: oh sorry Shep..didnt want to drop it while you were chairing..one second
Callipygian Christensen gave you CDS RA Affirmation of Office.
Shep (shep.titian): Thanks Calli
Callipygian Christensen: In the past the Dean of the SC has temporarily chaired the first meeting of the incoming RA to call for nominations for LRA and take the vote count
Callipygian Christensen: Is that acceptable to all of you today?
Pip Torok: it is ….
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): Yes
Shep (shep.titian): Yes
Beathan Vale: yes
Trajan Hallard is Offline
Callipygian Christensen: Then as Dean of the Scientific Council it is my pleasure and priviledge to adminster the Oath of Office to the members of the 17th Representative Assembly of the CDS
Callipygian Christensen: We will do this alphabetically
Callipygian Christensen: Incoming mebers of the RA, the affirmation of office is a public declaration that in the office to which you have been duly elected, you will solomnly affirm to uphold the Constitution of the CDS and take the duties of the RA seriously
Callipygian Christensen: so Beathan, please if you would, insert your own name into the RA affirmation and read the text into the local cha
Beathan Vale: I, Beathan Vale, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Callipygian Christensen: thank you
Callipygian Christensen: Moonrise?
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): I, Moonrise Azalee, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Callipygian Christensen: thank you
Callipygian Christensen: Pip?
Pip Torok: I, Pip Torok, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Callipygian Christensen: thank you
Callipygian Christensen: Shep?
Shep (shep.titian): I, Shep Titian, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Callipygian Christensen: Congratulations to all of you!
Razzy (moonrise.azalee) smiles
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): thank you!
Rosie Gray: congratulations everyone!
Lilith Ivory: congrats :)
Pip Torok: Thank you, Calli
Shep (shep.titian): Thank you :):):)
Rosie Gray: ··•°•··..☺ Applauds! ☺ ..··•°•··..
Lilith Ivory applauds
Shep (shep.titian): Well done guys
Callipygian Christensen: I call to order the first meeting of the 17th Ra and invite nominations for LRA
Rosie Gray is a multitude unto herself when it comes to clapping
Shep (shep.titian): I nominate myself
Pip Torok: I propose Shep Titian as LRA
Beathan Vale: second
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): I also propose Shel Titian as LRA
Shep (shep.titian): lol many hands clapping Rosie :)
Callipygian Christensen: We’ll allow the record to show that Pip nominated you and Beathan seconded :)
Beathan Vale: I move we approve Shep by universal acclamation
Shep (shep.titian): Wow thanks kiddies :D
Rosie Gray: yay, Shehp!
Callipygian Christensen: can i have a second to Beathan’s motion?
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): second
Pip Torok: CONGRATS!!!
Callipygian Christensen: all in favour?
Pip Torok: aye
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): aye
Shep (shep.titian): Thank you all .. now bow :)
Beathan Vale: aye
Callipygian Christensen: Congratulations Shep – and I hand the chair of this meeting over to you.
Delia Lake: Congratulations, Shep!
Lilith Ivory: Congrats Shep :)
Shep (shep.titian): Thank you for your help Calli
Callipygian Christensen: Please ensure someone is given the task of posting a transcript :)
Tanoujin Milestone: Have a successful term, Reps!
Shep (shep.titian): I’ll stay in place .. I think our only task today is the time of the next meeting
Pip Torok: tks, Tan
Shep (shep.titian): Thanks Tan
Razzy (moonrise.azalee) grins
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): Thank you Tan
Shep (shep.titian): So Next Saturday ok?
Lilith Ivory: bye all I need to go for now
Shep (shep.titian): I suggest 9 am again
Pip Torok: for me yes
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): Bye Lilith
Lilith Ivory is Offline
Shep (shep.titian): Bye hun
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): 9am Saturday works for me
Pip Torok: bye Lil
Rosie Gray: bye Lilith
Shep (shep.titian): cool Razzy
Shep (shep.titian): Good Pip
Shep (shep.titian): Well Fire breather??
Pip Torok: cool, Shep? .. with THIS RL temperature?? :)
Callipygian Christensen: I have to head out..good work today everyone!
Shep (shep.titian): Thanks again Calli
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): Bye Calli!
Pip Torok: bye Calli and tks
Callipygian Christensen is Offline
Shep (shep.titian): Beathan does not recognise himself as a fire breather :)
Sudane Erato: thx all again :)
Razzy (moonrise.azalee) grins
DocJoshua (docjoshua.runner) is Online
Rosie Gray: nice work everyone!
Delia Lake: me too, back to rl tiling my new shower. bye everyone
Rosie Gray: and for me, painting my bedroom closet
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): Bye Delia!
Rosie Gray: lol
Shep (shep.titian): Enjoy Delioa :D
Rosie Gray: bye now
Pip Torok: thats why the back of my neck’s warm …
Shep (shep.titian): lol
Razzy (moonrise.azalee) laughs at Pip
Rosie Gray is Offline
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): Bye Rosie
Tanoujin Milestone: off i am. see you around!
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): Bye Tan
Pip Torok: bye Rosie .. and tks for the work youve done
Shep (shep.titian): Beathan is next Sat at 9 am ok for you?
Shep (shep.titian): Ok I suggest we adjourn
Pip Torok: seconded
Shep (shep.titian): Aye
Pip Torok: aye
Tiger Arrowmint is Online
Razzy (moonrise.azalee): aye
Shep (shep.titian): Cool again

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RA Meeting 16 June 2012

Re: 16 June 2012 RA Transcript
by Patroklus Murakami » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:36 am
Shep Titian: Ok folks .. call this meeting to order
Pip Torok: Hi .. pleased to see you !
Shep Titian: Hi Anna
Moonrise Azalee: Hello Anna!
Pip Torok: hi Anna .. pleased to see you!
Anna Toussaint: Hi, Shep
Anna Toussaint: Hi, Pip
Anna Toussaint: Hi everyone
Anna Toussaint: Hi Razzy
Shep Titian: There is a copy of the agenda in the CDS box … and please note if you speak you consent to being recorded
Pip Torok has indicated consent to be recorded.
Shep Titian: OK anyone have any problems with the agenda?
Moonrise Azalee: Not me
Pip Torok: no Mme LRA
Beathan Vale: No
Shep Titian: Anna ?
Anna Toussaint: nope
Shep Titian: Ok so approved
Shep Titian: I see Trebor here ,.. will you be wanting to speak on the budget Treb?
Trebor Warcliffe: If it is needed I can. There were no questions or feedback on the forums so Im assuming everyoen is fine with it.
Shep Titian: ok
Shep Titian: Citizens concerns?
Beathan Vale: I’m wondering if there is any way to not run a deficit — I don’t like planned deficits if they can be avoided
Shep Titian: Any of you have a burning question:)?
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes bring more people in
Shep Titian: Ok RA have any concerns?
Trebor Warcliffe: Our fixed expenses are just that “fixed” and our other expenses I was very conservative with.
Pip Torok: just one ….
Beathan Vale: I know — I’m OK with that — but it is outside the budget — is there anything that can be done inside the budget — can something be provisional unless we grow?
Beathan Vale: I didn’t see anything myself — I just want the question raised and formally addressed
Shep Titian: Could you two wait for the appropriate time
Beathan Vale: kk
Anna Toussaint: I move we ratify the budget as written
Shep Titian: When we get there Anna
Pip Torok: some citizens have expressed concern about the problems of grouped memebers getting on the voters list
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Anna Toussaint: ooops
Shep Titian: Any old business rattling around?
Anna Toussaint: sorry
Anna Toussaint: calli wants to swear me in
Callipygian Christensen thinks it might be good to do that before you get to voting 
Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe
Moonrise Azalee grins
Anna Toussaint: or making motions
Pip Torok: good idea!
Anna Toussaint: 
Shep Titian: They have had months to get themselves sorted Pip .. what are they finding difficult?
Anna Toussaint: are we talking about the same thing?
Anna Toussaint: I need to be sworn in by a member of the judiciary
Shep Titian: Pip brought up a concern I was waiting for him to expand on it
Beathan Vale: I jumpws the gun on the bduget because thought it was about to proceed without discussion
Callipygian Christensen waves her hand a bit more
Shep Titian: Ok Pip seems done
Shep Titian: Calli if you would be so kind 
Anna Toussaint: please call on Calli, madame chair
Beathan Vale: I have a question for Calli before we move on
Anna Toussaint: 
Callipygian Christensen: thank you 
Pip Torok: have bought up the concern .. i will discuss it with trebor if he is willing
Callipygian Christensen: Before we affirmmAnna?
Beathan Vale: no
Tanoujin Milestone: ceremony 
Callipygian Christensen: Anna, the affirmation of office is a public declaration that in the office to which you have been duly elected, you will solomnly affirm to uphold the Constitution of the CDS and take the duties of the RA seriously
Anna Toussaint: I, Anna Toussaint, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Pip Torok: CLAP!!!!
Callipygian Christensen: congratulatiosns Anna 
Anna Toussaint: yay
Moonrise Azalee: yay!
Callipygian Christensen: done
Trebor Warcliffe applauds
Moonrise Azalee laughs
Guillaume Mistwalker claps.
Tanoujin Milestone: congrats, Anna
Shep Titian: Well done Anna
Rosie Gray: clap clap clap
Anna Toussaint: hey, G … I didn’t see you
Anna Toussaint: hi, rosie!
Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi!
Rosie Gray: ?
Shep Titian: Thanks Calli 
Beathan Vale: OK — question for Calli, if I may
Shep Titian: Ok .. Budget .. could we have some small discussion before the proposal please
Beathan Vale: Shep — wait
Shep Titian: Beathan do you want to speak
Beathan Vale: First — question for Calli — Calli — this last two weeks, Pat has done a lot of work (and great work) organizing the statute books and record of the Constitution. Is that what you had in mind last session? If so, is there anythign else that remains to be done? If not, what needs to be done?
Callipygian Christensen: I’ve been absent from keyboard almost totally for a number of days Beathan, with an injury so haven’t read through, but I suspect not
Beathan Vale: OK — review his work and email me
Callipygian Christensen: Archiving of laws and changing of wording would have to come through RA, so those parts certainly arent done
Callipygian Christensen: I sent you an e-mail with a number of examples?
Shep Titian: I think Pat is doing sterling work with it .. and is happy to continue
Beathan Vale: I think I got that — but then things got busy again and I didn’t lookat it closely — then Pat did his work, which I think goes a long way to your goal
Callipygian Christensen: ok..so then should I forward that e-mail to Pat instead?
Pip Torok raises hand
Shep Titian: He’s enjoying doing it Calli
Beathan Vale: No — I’m still doing it — I just don’t want to go down a path if Pat has already cleared something up
Shep Titian: Ok
Shep Titian: Can we get back on track now?
Trebor Warcliffe: So get together with Pat, beathan.
Shep Titian: Pip?
Beathan Vale: yes
Pip Torok: can we assume Pat will be doing the minutes as before?
Shep Titian: Yes he is
Pip Torok: :] Shep Titian: Ok BUDGET
Shep Titian: Beathan you wanted to say something?
Beathan Vale: Is there any way to balance the budget internally? Nothing sprang out at me — it looks lean — but perhaps something could be priorized to “provisional” status pending an increase in revenue or something
Shep Titian: Well the chancellor can come back to us if needed .. should the outlook improve
Trebor Warcliffe: Salaries were eliminated, some expenses are fixed, and others I went very conservative with.
Trebor Warcliffe: And even if we operate in a slight deficit we will not have to use any of our reserves
Beathan Vale: How is that possible?
Shep Titian: I personally feel events is a bit low .. if we are using them to draw folks in
Beathan Vale: Shep, I agree
Moonrise Azalee: I agree also
Trebor Warcliffe: I also lowballed hte estimate on revenue due to our low population
Beathan Vale: I just want to make sure we think things through
Trebor Warcliffe: The easiest way to improve our finances is to bring more people in.
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Shep Titian: Yes but we need some carrots
Trebor Warcliffe: With all due respect everyoen had over two weeks to”think things through”
Shep Titian: Razzy?
Beathan Vale: OK — I’m satisfied
Trebor Warcliffe: Sadly I must leave for now
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Anna Toussaint: I move we ratify the budget as written
Shep Titian: Ok Treb
Shep Titian: I think we can ratify
Pip Torok: seconded
Moonrise Azalee: I just wanted to say that I do agree that events help to draw people in. It’s the best way to show that the CDS is a great place to Live work AND play
Trebor Warcliffe: Please email me with any questions thank you
Shep Titian: Vote
Anna Toussaint: aye
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Beathan Vale: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Shep Titian: aye
Shep Titian: Its ratified
Moonrise Azalee: woot!
Shep Titian: well done Trebor
Anna Toussaint: 
Anna Toussaint: yes, good job
Shep Titian: Ok next thing .. Calli requested we look at the timing for new laws and giving citizens sufficient time to assimilate them
Shep Titian: Any thoughts
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand a bit higher
Shep Titian: Sorry Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: Just a comment here on the budget and the ‘no salaries’
Shep Titian: ok
Beathan Vale: I would support making all laws effective only on close of the RA session, without a finding of emergency — provided we have clear standards for what an emergency is — which can be reviewed by SC — but that might be TOO slow
Callipygian Christensen: NL 4-26 Public Information Act states as part of the law that the PIO will be paid 1000L a month
Callipygian Christensen: it’s possible thats been amended somewhere, but if it hasn’t, you might want to loook at that
Shep Titian: I believe Trebor is not seeking a PIO
Beathan Vale: The law might require a PIO and might rewuire payment — we need to look at that
Callipygian Christensen: /eme nods, just pointing it out as something to be aware of
Shep Titian: Wonders if it’s law that he has one
Shep Titian: Might SC be able to tell us?
Rosie Gray raises hand
Shep Titian: Rosie
Callipygian Christensen: Of course, it also says the PIO is appointed by the Guildmaster 
Rosie Gray: thanks Shep… just wanted
Moonrise Azalee: oh dear
Callipygian Christensen: (as an example of my ‘let’s clean up all the old archaiclanguage)
Rosie Gray: to point out that Aliasi is receiving a salary… I just wanted to know what it was for
Rosie Gray: thanks
Beathan Vale: OH joy — I suggest that whenever the RA abolishs arms of govt or associated entities, we include a term in the legislation describing how references in other standing laws are to be amended to harmonize
Shep Titian: Is she? I thought all were stopped now?
Rosie Gray: it’s on the last financial statement
Anna Toussaint: she is prolly the cleaner-upper
Anna Toussaint: whatever that’s called
Rosie Gray notes that lots of people clean-up
Anna Toussaint: L:ilith did it for years
Anna Toussaint: yes, they do
Callipygian Christensen: Beathan – that info should be appended to the appropriate laws for easy reference also
Beathan Vale: I think she owns the infohub irl — and it might be rent not salary
Anna Toussaint: the infohub what?
Shep Titian: Ok .. well we need that Trebor be here to explain that and he;s not .. so moving on .. and noted
Rosie Gray: what infohub?
Callipygian Christensen: I believe Aliasi’s salary has always been as content archivist for CDS no?
Anna Toussaint: ah
Beathan Vale: Calli — I agree — but I also think that a guiding backup to handle what we miss makes sense
Anna Toussaint: yes, that’s right Calli
Graduation Diploma 1: Congratulations graduate!
Moonrise Azalee: the man of the hour 
Shep Titian: Hi Trebor
Rosie Gray: perhaps we could know what is actually being done in that regard then, to know if it is warranted still
Rosie Gray: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
Rosie Gray: Trebor
Moonrise Azalee: Now we can ask
Anna Toussaint: Treb … what are we paying Aliasi for?
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand forthe ‘notification of citizenry’ thing when we get ack to it
Trebor Warcliffe: I’ve got about 20 minutes left
Shep Titian: Yes if we can kee it bref
Trebor Warcliffe: Web Hosting Fee
Anna Toussaint: ok
Moonrise Azalee: ahh
Trebor Warcliffe: $10.00 US a month
Beathan Vale: that’s what I thought
Shep Titian: Thank yoou
Rosie Gray: ah okay
Trebor Warcliffe: yw
Shep Titian: Now maybe we can discuss the subject on the table
Rosie Gray: ahem
Beathan Vale: OK — the boxes don’t match — why don’t they match 
Shep Titian: Yes Rosie
Rosie Gray: sorry but I think that doesn’t match what it says on the financial statement
Rosie Gray: Mizou is paid for the web hosting
Rosie Gray: it says Aliasi monthly pay
Shep Titian: The budgety is ratified
Trebor Warcliffe: Rosie
Shep Titian: tsk
Beathan Vale: 2 websites — 1. forums; 2. infohub
Shep Titian: budget
Trebor Warcliffe: I believe you may be looking at last terms budget
Trebor Warcliffe: this terms budget is on the last page
Rosie Gray: May, 28, 2012
Trebor Warcliffe: Payment Request form on teh May financials?
Rosie Gray: yes
Trebor Warcliffe: That was last term
Rosie Gray: is that changed now then?
Shep Titian: Can we move on please you can argue about this later
Trebor Warcliffe: May was the last month of last term
Rosie Gray: ok, sorry
Rosie Gray shuts up
Shep Titian: thank you
Tanoujin Milestone: notification?
Shep Titian: ok as asked already .. How long dop we feel we should give as notice of new laws etc to give leeway for cittizens to comply
Callipygian Christensen waves her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: It isn’t just ‘how long’..it’s also ‘how’
Pip Torok raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: Beathan..it isnt about when laws come into effect either
Callipygian Christensen: each time something affecting citizens is passed there is a debate ..’maybe we send them all an e-mail’..or a notecard…
Beathan Vale: we could use the Persian method — require every law be passed twice — once while drunk and then while sober — and allow consideration in the meantime 
Shep Titian: Yes the whole process
Beathan Vale: ah– OK
Moonrise Azalee grins at Beathan
Shep Titian: lol
Callipygian Christensen: ‘they might only sing in once a month to pay tier’..and that now could be ‘only log in once every three months’…
Pip Torok raises hand again
Beathan Vale: Could we post on the CDS group discussion? Or is that too buggy?
Beathan Vale: We typically do post on the forums — but people say no one reads them
Callipygian Christensen: so how are citizens to be notified, and ideally what timeframe should be attached
Shep Titian: We can certainly post yes .. but how much hand holding should we do
Soro Dagostino raises hand
Pip Torok suggests we ask what stops the reading it…
Callipygian Christensen: (keeping in mind that citizens have a responsibility to stay informed and therefore to check one of the sources of info that is designated)
Moonrise Azalee agrees with Calli
Beathan Vale: Can we put up an inworld access to the RA portion of the forums?
Shep Titian: Exactly Calli
Anna Toussaint: I agree with Calli as well
Trebor Warcliffe Trebor strongly agrees with Calli
Shep Titian: they know the kind of way we do things
Pip Torok: so does Pip
Moonrise Azalee: A notecard, and a forum post.
Anna Toussaint: would a two week period before the law goes into effect plus a posting do it?
Callipygian Christensen: Razzy, with respect, the notecard thing is a huge amount of work that I thik is unreasonable
Beathan Vale: notecard distrtibution to all citizens seems problematic
Moonrise Azalee: I actually meant group notice…
Moonrise Azalee: sorry
Trebor Warcliffe: Forum posting is the easiest and permenent way in my opinion
Pip Torok wd suggest reading the Forums be presented as one of the things a citizen does .. all to be put in the welcome-book
Soro Dagostino raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: Personally I think forum posting and in world group posting should be enough
Moonrise Azalee agrees with Pip
Rosie Gray agrees with Calli and Pip
Callipygian Christensen: I just want it established as ‘yes, that is sufficient notification’
Shep Titian: We can add a note to a group notification as Razzy suggested
Moonrise Azalee: Forum, Group Notice and mention in the welcome handbook to check such thigns.
Shep Titian: Soro
Soro Dagostino: Points been covered.
Anna Toussaint: I move that sufficient notification be considered an in world group posting + a forum posting.
Shep Titian: kk
Pip Torok: second
Callipygian Christensen: I would suggest attaching a timeframe of 14 days or something
Anna Toussaint: yes
Beathan Vale: I thnk that is a SC issue not a RA one
Beathan Vale: unless we pass a notification statute
Anna Toussaint: may I amend my motion?
Shep Titian: Yes Anna
Beathan Vale: in which case — we would have passed the notification statute without notice — not a great way to start
Anna Toussaint: the motion would be that which I said plus “and that a two week time frame be allowed before each law goes into effect”
Anna Toussaint: hehe
Rosie Gray: ?
Shep Titian: Well no Beathan as its for us to do not them
Callipygian Christensen: /e waves her hand yet again
Pip Torok: i second the amended motion
Beathan Vale: Point of ORder — procedural motions should apply only to the sitting session of the RA; governance issues should be by statute, not motion
Shep Titian: Vote
Shep Titian: Aye
Callipygian Christensen waves her hand
Pip Torok: aye
Anna Toussaint: aye
Anna Toussaint: beathan has a good point, though
Shep Titian: Calli
Beathan Vale: nay — but only because I think this is an ultra vires issue as presented; I support the principle and think we should pass an appropriate statute after proper process
Callipygian Christensen: This isnt just about laws going into effect and adding reference to laws isnt needed
Callipygian Christensen: this is about ANY official notification to the popuace
Beathan Vale: Let’s put this on the agenda for next session and prepare a proper statute. I can work with Calli and others to put it together
Shep Titian: Well by my calculation it passed .. so maybe next meeting we can repeal it
Soro Dagostino: RL calls.
Shep Titian: Bye Soro
Anna Toussaint: I kinda agree with Beathan
Anna Toussaint: for now, it did pass
Anna Toussaint: but lets replace it with a better thought out statute
Callipygian Christensen suggests you readress it now and follow Beathan’s suggestion
Shep Titian: So we’ll take it to the forum and refine it if that’s ok?
Pip Torok: agrees
Anna Toussaint: it has the force of a procedural thing
Anna Toussaint: it applies to us this session
Anna Toussaint: we can work under the motion until we do as beathan has suggested
Anna Toussaint: Hi, Lili
Anna Toussaint: Lil
Shep Titian: But we are’nt doing anything today that needs citizen notification
Lilith Ivory: Hi Anna 
Lilith Ivory: Hi everybody
Callipygian Christensen: Please consider readdressing it now so that we can save the SC and yourselves a lot of time
Shep Titian: Hi Lilith
Anna Toussaint: why are we saving the SC a lot of time?
Callipygian Christensen: I suspect if you leave it as is ‘just for now’ it will be flagged
Shep Titian: Beathan you want to propose a different version?
Rosie Gray laughs
Beathan Vale: Because the SC will have to consider whether it was proper — probably invalidate it — and then we will repass it next session anyway
Anna Toussaint: which means, Calli, that you will flag it?
Callipygian Christensen pints to what Beathan said
Anna Toussaint: and why is it improper?
Beathan Vale: Otherwise we have the precedent of motions that might have statutory effect — which would be a mess
Shep Titian: Hmmm interesting
Beathan Vale: I move we rescind the motion and substitute a motion that we will prepare a statute for consideration next time
Anna Toussaint: I second
Shep Titian: Vote
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Re: 16 June 2012 RA Transcript
by Patroklus Murakami » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:36 am
Shep Titian: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Anna Toussaint: aye
Beathan Vale: aye
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Shep Titian: Thank you
Callipygian Christensen: thank you
Anna Toussaint: oh, well, I tried 
Shep Titian: ok not on the agenda .. but we need to elect a Pro Tem
Pip Torok: i propose Anna
Shep Titian: I second
Shep Titian: vote 
Pip Torok: Anna?
Shep Titian: aye
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Beathan Vale: aye is OK with Anna; nay otherwise
Anna Toussaint: abstain
Beathan Vale: if
Anna Toussaint: its ok, Beathan
Pip Torok: aye
Beathan Vale: OK — aye then
Anna Toussaint: 
Shep Titian: Why nay Beathan?
Beathan Vale: I said aye I think
Pip Torok: (doesnt want to be dragged kicking and screaming as they do wirth the speaker in the House of Commons … )
Anna Toussaint: he said aye
Shep Titian: Yes you changed it .. I’m just nosey 
Pip Torok: .. doesnt want Anna to be dragged! …
Anna Toussaint: he was going to vote nay if I di\dn’t want to be pro tem
Beathan Vale: I just wanted to make sure we weren’t drafting her
Shep Titian: Ah .. I had asked
Anna Toussaint: and I appreciated it
Anna Toussaint: 
Shep Titian: Thank you Anna
Shep Titian: Commission reports I don’t have any listed
Shep Titian: Exec reports .. any news Trebor?
Pip Torok: does the Welcoming cmttee count as a “commission” for these purposes?
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Trebor Warcliffe: Ill wait for Calli to finish
Callipygian Christensen: The SC reform roup is not a commission, but to report, I’vebeen unable to spend time at the keybaord to coordinate, and will do that this coming week..also, officially, who is the second RA member now attached to the grup?
Shep Titian: Anna you had said you would do it .. is that still the case?
Beathan Vale: I don’t recall how that went — have to look at the last transcript
Anna Toussaint: I will
Shep Titian: Thank you .. Anna Calli
Callipygian Christensen: only 4 votes were cast Beathan, so barring a debate on whether its 2/3 of seats or 2/3 of votes cast, the consitutional amendment failed
Beathan Vale: I remember that — I was commenting on whether we appointed Anna or not
Callipygian Christensen: oh! sorry lol
Anna Toussaint: 
Shep Titian: We did’nt Beathan as she was’nt RA till Calli swore her
Anna Toussaint: my move is more or less complete, so I should be able to do it
Beathan Vale: OK — that makes sense — and explains why this is a fuzzy issue in my mind –relying on emotional memory here
Shep Titian: Awwwww
Shep Titian: I have to regress slightly . Trebor has a brief exec report
Trebor Warcliffe: I’d like to thank Tan for her wonderful work on keeping our Available Land for Sale list up to date. I’ve been working with Shep and tonight with Anna on finishing the CDS owned kiosks. I will be meeting with Razzy on Monday about some of the duties aligned with the PIO. And I am trying to schedule a meeting with Beathan about incorporating his wonderful idea about the Great Courses into a public forum in the CDS. Beathan would you be availabe this week for an about an hour so you and I can work out the details?
Beathan Vale: I think so — I need to doublecheck my calendar — I have a broader conception to discuss with you at that time
Trebor Warcliffe: Wonderful, please let me know when we can meet. We could even make it a public meeting if you’d like
Beathan Vale: Let
Beathan Vale: Let’s do preparation work before a public meeting
Trebor Warcliffe: thats fine
Shep Titian: I’d be interested to listen
Trebor Warcliffe: Can you look at your calendar now and see when we can meet?
Pip Torok agrees knowing “public meetings”
Shep Titian: But ok if you want to be alone 
Trebor Warcliffe: ok let me reword that
Trebor Warcliffe: an official meeting
Beathan Vale: I’m not against a larger meeting — shep, we can bring you in — it’s just that my thoughts are less than hlag baked — and I make a point of only bringing half baked ideas public
Trebor Warcliffe: not saying its closed to the public lol
Moonrise Azalee grins
Shep Titian: Wash you’re mouth out .. private indeed lol
Beathan Vale: I might announce it as a meeting at my house
Trebor Warcliffe: I have a new private place for private meetings lol
Shep Titian: PMSL
Trebor Warcliffe: hehehe
Beathan Vale: so – not public (at least not official ) but not closed
Trebor Warcliffe: When can we do that B?
Beathan Vale: I have to check my calendar — working this weekend and next week is fairly scheduled
Beathan Vale: but I should be able to find time somewhere in there
Trebor Warcliffe: good
Trebor Warcliffe: twarcliffe@gmail.com
Trebor Warcliffe: i have to leave all, RL calls
Moonrise Azalee: Bye Trebor
Rosie Gray: bye Treb
Shep Titian: Bye Treb
Pip Torok: bye trebor
Anna Toussaint: bye treb
Shep Titian: Ok I think we reached next meeting
Shep Titian: ooop one general announcement  Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: Thank you Shep.
Moonrise Azalee: On Friday, this one coming up, we are having a Fors Fortuna party.. a Roman themed Summer party on the beach in LA
Moonrise Azalee: Roman dress is not required, but is strongly suggested as its a great way to show off our lovely themed area
Moonrise Azalee: we are trying to organize some games… but generally Wine, Dancing, lots of fun.. a way to celebrate Summer and to celebrate good fortune
Shep Titian: I have a ‘beach’ toga 
Moonrise Azalee: haha, awesome
Pip Torok is all for that! 
Shep Titian: lol
Beathan Vale: my hair doubles as a helmet plume
Tanoujin Milestone looks for her pickelhaube
Pip Torok: LOL
Moonrise Azalee: Did we sort out games Shep? the volleyball sounded like a lot of fun
Shep Titian: Teehee
Rosie Gray: lol
Rosie Gray: what time will it be?
Moonrise Azalee: and we could use it for future use
Moonrise Azalee: oh
Moonrise Azalee: 3pm SLT
Shep Titian: No I’m still trying to twist Trebors arm
Moonrise Azalee: I believe Calli is gracing us with her music wizardry?
Callipygian Christensen: I belive I am
Shep Titian: Absolutely she is
Pip Torok appreciates razzys europe-friendly time
Moonrise Azalee: I hope we can splurge on good games… those ‘Carrots’ we need….
Moonrise Azalee: to display CDS as the best place to Live, Work and Play.
Shep Titian: Yes well you know I agree .. its the archery I want
Moonrise Azalee: Archery and Volleyball being two games Shep was looking at. if we could obtain those it would be awesome
Callipygian Christensen: I’ll see if my lawn darts game would work
Shep Titian: ooooh cool
Moonrise Azalee: That would be great Calli
Shep Titian: excellent
Shep Titian: ok next date .. two weeks ok?
Moonrise Azalee: Shep we should send out a notice soon as it is less than a week away
Moonrise Azalee: I agree with RA in 2 weeks
Shep Titian: yes .. will do after this meeting
Pip Torok: i agree as well
Anna Toussaint: yup
Anna Toussaint: me too
Shep Titian: ok 20th J une at 9 am ?
Beathan Vale: yep
Shep Titian: 30
Moonrise Azalee: yes
Pip Torok: LOL
Shep Titian: sorry on phone
Shep Titian: ok adjourn

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RA Meeting 30 June 2012

Re: 30 June RA Transcript
by Patroklus Murakami » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:24 am
Shep Titian: Calling meeting to order
Pip Torok: before this meeting starts I’d like to apologise to those present for being unavoidably absent since wednesday .. major hardware problem which has this minute been resolved
Shep Titian: All seen and approve agenda?
Pip Torok: approved
Beathan Vale: Man — I feel like Senator Magnuson, who was once an hour late to a meeting and when asked about it said “Don’t worry — they can’t start without me” — But Maggie was an asshole
Beathan Vale: yes
Moonrise Azalee: Seen and approved
Shep Titian: pmsl
Shep Titian: And glad its sorted Pip
Pip Torok: thsnk you, Mme LRA
Moonrise Azalee: I am also. 
Shep Titian: Ok can we take it .. we have no speakers .. and no citizens here to express concerns
Moonrise Azalee: indeed, yes
Shep Titian: ok RA concerns .. any?
Pip Torok: none from here, thank you
Moonrise Azalee: not from myself.
Moonrise Azalee: not from myself.
Shep Titian: The price of alarm clocks maybe?
Pip Torok: 
Shep Titian: 
Moonrise Azalee: I have children, no need for alarm clocks
Shep Titian: lol
Moonrise Azalee: 9am is just bloody early some days! LMAO
Beathan Vale: well — I would like to see if we can figure out the problem raised regarding a garden in NFS — on the forum — but I’ll ty to track that down myself
Pip Torok: (my have flown .. the sun wakes me:)
Moonrise Azalee: I did not read that
Shep Titian: Ok is this the HH parcel issue?
Moonrise Azalee: There are problems regarding a garden in NFS?
Shep Titian: If its the HH issue I know about it
Beathan Vale: some code issues — sounds like Treb disapproved a garden or something
Pip Torok: my last info (wednesday) was that they had been sorted …
Beathan Vale: OK — good
Shep Titian: Was that HonestHearts plot?
Pip Torok: it was …
Shep Titian: You can call it sorted Pip .. she lrft us!!
Moonrise Azalee: ah!
Shep Titian: left
Moonrise Azalee: Well then
Pip Torok bows respecfully!
Shep Titian: That was’nt good
Moonrise Azalee: I dont see this weeks agenda for the RA
Moonrise Azalee: I could have sworn I had it
Moonrise Azalee: I was looking at it earleir
Moonrise Azalee: could someone share?
Shep Titian: I put it in the box
Moonrise Azalee: i just see the SC one in there
Moonrise Azalee: thank you
Shep Titian: yw
Shep Titian: ok moving on
Moonrise Azalee nods
Shep Titian: Old business .. any thing you want brought back?
Pip Torok: no …
Moonrise Azalee: not for me
Beathan Vale: no
Shep Titian: ok I take silence as a no
Shep Titian: oop
Pip Torok: no from me
Shep Titian: lol
Moonrise Azalee: I did say no.. .but I think im lagging
Shep Titian: learns patience 
Shep Titian: ok new business
Shep Titian: the Citizens Notification Bill
Moonrise Azalee: I think it is fair.
Moonrise Azalee: Even if people can’t get into SL, they can journey over to the forum and read.
Pip Torok: does someone have the text for me to revise?
Shep Titian: I think we agreed last meeting .. that posting on the forum and a notice sent by group notificationwas sufficient notice
Moonrise Azalee: Though…. I don’t know if I feel 14 days is as fair as perhaps… 30
Pip Torok: ah yes .. that had my agreement
Moonrise Azalee: Kind of like if you rent.. you get 30 days notice. but i realize that might always be doable.
Beathan Vale: 30 is a bit long — we often need to move faster than that — on the other hand, 14 days is only 1 meeting — while 30 would emcompass 2
Shep Titian: What do we feel on the leeway time? .. should we make it 30 days?
Beathan Vale: Sure
Shep Titian: Pip?
Beathan Vale: move to amend 14 to 30
Moonrise Azalee: It allows someone more time if say, a change comes up that for some reason makes them no longer want to own land
Shep Titian: Second
Pip Torok: i’d feel 14 is more practical .. relaise that a term is 6 months long
Beathan Vale: I would also add an emergency clause, but I will get tot hat
Shep Titian: Yes Pip but some only come in once a onth
Moonrise Azalee: 14 more practical for the ones giving notice, but as a citizen, 30 is more fair.
Pip Torok: ok …..
Moonrise Azalee: k
Shep Titian: What did you want to add Beathan?
Beathan Vale: I would add “3. If the RA finds that a matter is urgent or an emergency, by 2/3 vote on motion, then this notice requirement would be waived for the purpose of emegency legislation.”
Pip Torok: (wd be happy with that)
Shep Titian: SC won’t like that
Shep Titian: who defines emergency?
Beathan Vale: yeah — but the RA can define the terms of the notice law, and then regulate itself by requiring a 2/3 vote rather than mere approval
Moonrise Azalee: what sorts of examples are there of an emergency?
Pip Torok raises hand
Shep Titian: Pip
Beathan Vale: “emergency” or “urgency” is whatever the RA finds it to be on motion — but the language is intended to guide the RA, but nor provide grounds for SC disapproval
Shep Titian: I think urgency is the word to choose 
Pip Torok: i think we shd avoid the “emergency” trap and try for 30 days .. we can see how it works out in practice
Shep Titian: Beathan could I ask you to propse it .. as you are best at couching in the correct form?
Beathan Vale: I have moved to amend 14 to 30 — second?
Moonrise Azalee: I second
Shep Titian: second
Pip Torok: second
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Shep Titian: Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: Is it possible to have a sticky topic in the Forums for Changes only? so that people can easily find it when checking in via mobile phone etc?
Moonrise Azalee: Announcements-Citizen Notices of Change or something?
Moonrise Azalee: Theres a lot of info and would be great for people to be able to quickly see any proposed changes.
Moonrise Azalee: Basically just a copy/paste of the notice sent in world
Shep Titian: Thats a good idea Razzy .. SC runs the forum we could always ask 
Moonrise Azalee: Okay cool.
Beathan Vale: There is already a legislative discussion forum for citizens — woudn’t this be redundant?
Moonrise Azalee: Im trying to think of the average citizen
Moonrise Azalee: important changes should not be hard to find
Shep Titian: It might attract attention being new lol
Moonrise Azalee: they should be right up front and visible
Beathan Vale: OK — I wonder if that can be done through flagging or something
Shep Titian: Are we ready to vote .. if so I’ll propose
Moonrise Azalee: the forum has a huge wealth of info, and the average citizen might not know which category its in. A simple Citizen Notices of Change-Read Here , etc, or stickied into the forum would be simple.
Pip Torok: ready to vote
Moonrise Azalee: I am also
Beathan Vale: yes
Shep Titian: I always look art the date last post Razzy
Moonrise Azalee: You do
Moonrise Azalee: but not everyone is forum saavy
Shep Titian: yep
Moonrise Azalee: I run 4 forums
Pip Torok: !!
Moonrise Azalee: lol- things get lost in big discussions
Moonrise Azalee: so a one place stop, like a vitual Notice board for upcoming changes would be good
Moonrise Azalee: even myself, lookign at RA, or Leg, or Building info etc.. its all scaattered-
Moonrise Azalee: even myself, lookign at RA, or Leg, or Building info etc.. its all scaattered-
Moonrise Azalee: so, just a one stop section for all impedning notices of change…
Moonrise Azalee shuts up now
Moonrise Azalee: LOL
Pip Torok: may we see the motion we are about to vote on?
Shep Titian: I propose Agenda for RA meeting of Saturday 30th of June 2012 at 9a.m.
– Administrative Business
— Review and approve agenda (5 min.)
— Speakers on today?s agenda items? (5 min)
– Citizen Concerns (5 min)
– RA Members? Concerns (5 min)
– Old Business
– New Business .
Citizen Notification Bill
Preamble
Citizens have a right to expect some notification of changes that will affect them. Similarly, citizens also have a responsibility to check official channels and raise concer
Shep Titian: Ignore that
Shep Titian: I copied too much
Moonrise Azalee giggles
Shep Titian: 1. Posting information on the CDS forums and via in world notices will be considered to be sufficient notification to citizens of changes which affect them.
2. Citizens will be given at least 30 days notice of such changes.
Shep Titian: Damn it try again
Moonrise Azalee thought is worked
Shep Titian: I propose a Citizen Notification Bill .. being … 1. Posting information on the CDS forums and via in world notices will be considered to be sufficient notification to citizens of changes which affect them.
2. Citizens will be given at least 14 days notice of such changes.
Shep Titian: Shhhhhhhh
Beathan Vale: I move we amend 14 to 30
Moonrise Azalee laughs
Shep Titian: Second
Shep Titian: ok .. breathes deeply .Second for the bill?
Moonrise Azalee: second
Shep Titian: Thanks .. vote
Moonrise Azalee grins
Pip Torok: aye
Moonrise Azalee: Aye
Beathan Vale: aye
Shep Titian: Aye
Shep Titian: Thank you Anna hjas a 7 day vote .. but the Bill carries
Moonrise Azalee: Groovy
Shep Titian: Sorry about my copy/pasting lol
Shep Titian: Ok no commission reports
Shep Titian: No exec to report .. I think he wanted a word .. nvm
Shep Titian: I have no announcements .. anyone else?
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Pip Torok: not from me
Shep Titian: Razzy
Moonrise Azalee: No real announcement, but just wanted to share that I want to work on a monthly citizens market to help promote our area. I have approached Treb about it and he liked the idea. right now its sort of a work in progress but it should be a lot of fun.
Moonrise Azalee: And a good way to display our lovely area and the talents of our Citizens
Shep Titian: Yes I’ve heard the bones of it Razzy and it sounds great
Pip Torok strongly agrees …
Moonrise Azalee: Poetry reading, a few tables set up with a limit of items for people to display/sell, talent if wanted, music etc…just a monthly fun thing.
Moonrise Azalee: If it happens at the same time each month, eventually word gets round
Moonrise Azalee: and having it in an area like beachside in LA or something, draws attraction to an area that needs some landowners
Moonrise Azalee: and having it in an area like beachside in LA or something, draws attraction to an area that needs some landowners
Moonrise Azalee: and having it in an area like beachside in LA or something, draws attraction to an area that needs some landowners
Shep Titian: I’m also going to look into marketing .. as we have to lose some yellow .. but nothing to report yet
Shep Titian: ok next meeting?
Moonrise Azalee: agreed, one of the reasons i want to get the market going.. get people to visit and see how beautiful it is 
Shep Titian: two weeks ok?
Moonrise Azalee: can we do 9:30 for the next meeting?
Pip Torok: ok by me
Moonrise Azalee: 9am my household is just begging for breakfast
Shep Titian: I’m ok with it .. how about Pip and Beathan?
Beathan Vale: That’s fine
Pip Torok: 9.30 is fine .. tho i may turn up early! 
Moonrise Azalee: LOL
Shep Titian: cool 9.30 it is 14th July
Shep Titian: lol
Moonrise Azalee: hooray!
Moonrise Azalee: hooray!
Shep Titian: Meeting Adjourned

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RA Meeting 14 July 2012

Re: 14 July 2012 RA Transcript
by Patroklus Murakami » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:00 am
Apologies. I can’t get in to the right part of Gwyn’s website to colourise this transcript. Pat

Shep Titian: Hello folks
Callipygian Christensen: hi Shep
Shep Titian: Apologies I underestimated the time it took from our county show
Beathan Vale: I don’t think we could have an agenda — last time we passed a notice requirement that would have required notice be given before the last meeing for anything on this meeting — and we didn’t give the notice partly because it was not yet required at the time we would have had to give it
Fern Leissa: ??
Callipygian Christensen: umm..that law wasnt meant to apply to notices of agenda items I think
Beathan Vale: that is — we would have a standing agenda, but no new business
Trebor Warcliffe: WHAT??? what the hell does that have to do with an RA agenda
Shep Titian: Is it just Beathan and myself?
Beathan Vale: so far
Callipygian Christensen: that would slow things down even further in getting anything done?
Trebor Warcliffe: Fern, Rosie, Calli adn myself have been here since 9am
Beathan Vale: yes — but people thought that notice was important and don’t like to be surprised by RA actions — seems fair enough
Callipygian Christensen: I thought the intent was that when a law is *passed* or an admin thing is changed, that method of notifying is in place
Rosie Gray: plotting an overthrow of the gov’t
Rosie Gray: oh did I say that?
Fern Leissa: lol
Beathan Vale: No — it is notice of proposed changes to allow citizen inpute before a law is passed
Fern Leissa: shuuuuuh
Trebor Warcliffe nods in agreement with Rosie
Trebor Warcliffe: Which has nothing to do with an RA agenda
Callipygian Christensen: I dont see that in the wording Beathan..will have to look at it again
Beathan Vale: but it wasn’t supposed to apply to private notices — like rent arrearages — and it is ambiguous in that respect
Callipygian Christensen: but that means any agenda item now needs a 30 day pre posting?
Beathan Vale: We changed it to 14
Callipygian Christensen just shakes her head
Shep Titian: Gwyn asked about that
Trebor Warcliffe: The RA agenda doesnt apply to that
Callipygian Christensen: I thought it was changed from 14 to 30
Callipygian Christensen: LOL
Beathan Vale: and I proposed an emergency saving rule in special cases, but for the life of me I don’t remember if we passed that or not
Rosie Gray: that’s just silly
Shep Titian: It was 30
Beathan Vale: Trebor — the general agenda doesn’t, but any legislation on the agenda does
Callipygian Christensen: I suggested the notice issue be addressed and this is totally not what I thought was being passed
Callipygian Christensen laughs
Beathan Vale: Shep — I’m fairly sure we amended it to 14
Shep Titian: I thought we propsed 14 but it got amended to 30
Trebor Warcliffe: Well how about teh RA get thier stuff together so everyoen concerned knows exsactly what the hell is goign on.
Beathan Vale: I think the amendment went the other way — but I haven’t been able to get into the forums to prepare for this meeting
Callipygian Christensen: it was prposed at 14, amended to 30..but I still dont see it as applicable before a law is passed
Trebor Warcliffe: We’re so concerned about giving people “proper” notice and these people are no where to be found anyhow
Shep Titian: That would be fibe if they actualy came inworld
Shep Titian: *fine
Trebor Warcliffe: Hell we cant even get 5 RA members to show up ontime or at all
Beathan Vale: Trebor — no one is late yet — the time was changed to 10:00 — chill out man
Trebor Warcliffe: Beathan no it wasnt
Trebor Warcliffe: Shep admitted that when she came in
Shep Titian: First time I’ve been l;ate Trebor
Trebor Warcliffe: I know Shep
Trebor Warcliffe: That was more of a general statement
Beathan Vale: At the last RA meeting we agreed on 10 — so all RA members understood 10 — I don’t want to say someone is late until they don’t show up at the time they understood they should
Callipygian Christensen: Beathan, I thinkthe point heeis that 3 of us were sitting here for 45 minuted wondering where everyone was
Trebor Warcliffe: Well I’d have to see the transcript because our LRA (who is doign a good job) thought it was 9
Callipygian Christensen: If there is a time change, no problem, but post it
Beathan Vale: I know — and I apologize — there seems to have been a communication problem and we need to do better
Shep Titian: If I made a mistake on the time I’m sorry .. I have 9am etched on my brain now lol
Beathan Vale: I was trying to post to confirm that — but I haven’t been able to get into the forums all week and couldn’t get inworld until today
Trebor Warcliffe: It’s been 9am for many terms Shep
Shep Titian: right
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes the forums have a server down
Trebor Warcliffe: Shold be fixed in a day or two from my understanding
Beathan Vale: good
Trebor Warcliffe: As far as inworld I havent heard anyoen having any issues getting inworld
Trebor Warcliffe: Just the typical lag and occasional crash
Callipygian Christensen: ok. since there is no quorum anyway, could we talk about this 30 day notice law?
Shep Titian: That might be why my head is still on my shoulders lol
Beathan Vale: because at times in the last two weeks — I spend all my waking time in my office — and while I can access the forums at downtimes I can’t log in through my work computer
Callipygian Christensen: when i suggested that this be addressed it had nothing to do with ‘citizens havig a month to consider legislation *before8 it hits RA’
Trebor Warcliffe: Does anyone have the correct proposal for thsi law in question?
Trebor Warcliffe: Exactly Calli
Trebor Warcliffe: Beathan do you have a copy of the proposal?
Shep Titian: I thought the 30 day notice was the time and method of letting the populace know of law changes that require them to change something
Trebor Warcliffe: I thought it was 14 days
Trebor Warcliffe: 30 days seems insanely to long
Trebor Warcliffe: And I thought it was for legislation that would affect the citizens
Trebor Warcliffe: not for anything else
Shep Titian: Whatever the timing it was DEFINATELY AFTER the law was passed
Shep Titian: Ye Trebor
Fern Leissa: Yes… this seems unnecessarily complicated and an impediment to participation
Beathan Vale: I thought I did but I’m not finding it — our entire debate centered on the concept that citizens be told of pending legislation so that they could participate in debate and aid RA deliberations – -not merely on being told about things before they go into effect — the second of those seems like a useless exercise to me and I would not support it, while i would support notice to citizens to encourage attendance and testimony at RA meeting BEFORE legislation is passed
Trebor Warcliffe: I didnt realize the law was passed
Trebor Warcliffe: I thought it was passed than rescinded
Beathan Vale: It was passed, recinded, and repassed
Fern Leissa: jeeez
Shep Titian: We had a meeting since then Trebor
Trebor Warcliffe: The last RA meeting?
Shep Titian: yes
Trebor Warcliffe: I was there
Shep Titian: You left at one point
Beathan Vale: or something like that — the original concept was not on the agenda, but on a motion from the floor — then Pat drafted some language and we considered and passed it on 7/1
Callipygian Christensen: I am pulling up the transcripts
Trebor Warcliffe: ty Calli
Trebor Warcliffe: Because I dont remember anything about the first half od Beathans above comment. I understood it as being a notice when legislation was passed to give everyone a 14 day notice before the law woudl come into affect
Beathan Vale: By the way, Madame LRA — I have to leave at 11:00 — it’s my birthday and I am going to brunch with my mother — that was the only time we could meet
Fern Leissa: Happy Birthday Beathan
Callipygian Christensen: I dont see them on the portal..but I am sure Pat posted them there
Beathan Vale: Me, France, and ex-President Gerald Ford … I think 7/14 has a lot to answer for
Callipygian Christensen: nothing after the 15th RA right now
Beathan Vale: I am pretty sure I read it on the forums …
Trebor Warcliffe: Great so we have no transcript and we have no text of the law in question correct?
Shep Titian: Awwww Happy Birthday Beathan
Trebor Warcliffe: If thats the case than it is pointless to continue this discussion
Beathan Vale: but that was more than a week ago — and it’s beena crazy week — so I might be misremembering
Shep Titian: Can we ask how many bumps you need? 
Beathan Vale: well — I think it’s a prime number
Shep Titian: Pat posted I saw it
Rosie Gray: lol
Trebor Warcliffe: As Chancellor I’d like to request the LRA to get with her fellow RA members to gather the proper information so this topic can be properly debated.
Shep Titian: 
Callipygian Christensen: Pat posted the proposed legislation originally, yes
Trebor Warcliffe: Or do I need to make a 14day request for that?
Beathan Vale: there is no pending topic and the previous legislation was debated and passed. Gwyn has noted a problem with some ambiguity in it. The audience here today has noted a further and additional problem with ambiguity. I will propose an amendment to resolve those things based on what I understand the legislation to be.
Callipygian Christensen: and I am pretty sure he stuck to ‘notification of changes that affect them’ in the preamble – but I think that was dropped when you actually voted on it
Shep Titian: II saw a transcript for the last meeting because I went to check he had done it
Trebor Warcliffe: And what might that legislation be Beathan?
Beathan Vale: Pat’s proposal as modified by motion to amend considered and passed in the 7/1 session of the RA
Trebor Warcliffe: And can I have a copy of that please
Beathan Vale: it is in the transcript and on the forums, but I don’t have other access to it — and as you noted the forums are down
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes I did try to access the forums once again
Trebor Warcliffe: And they are still down
Trebor Warcliffe: I will look on the forums after they are up
Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you
Shep Titian: It was definately about laws passed which affected citizens .. not BEFORE they are passed
Trebor Warcliffe: Until we read the actual legislation there is no sense in discussing it
Shep Titian: It came about after people not changing to single ownership
Trebor Warcliffe: Shep may I suggest the importance of all RA members to be in attendance or at least inform you if they arent going to be able to make it. It’s my understanding no one informed you of their absence today?
Trebor Warcliffe: I think it would be an excellent idea to reopen Rosie’s post about what the citizens of CDS envision for the CDS because I dont see much of anything myself.
Callipygian Christensen: I think that just may be a need to remind that running for and sitting on RA is a chosen obligation – anyone can post that as a thing to consider
Trebor Warcliffe: If you haven’t guessed already, yes I am in a rather foul mood today.
Shep Titian: Correct Trebor
Rosie Gray: ?
Shep Titian: Would never have guessed
Beathan Vale: and at this point even I will consider other members late 
Callipygian Christensen: Shep isnt theirmother..they are adults..and perhaps just need a nudge about their duties
Shep Titian: Thanks Calli
Trebor Warcliffe: Our state of affairs saddens me but what saddens me more is that there are things we can do to improve our state of affairs and the majority dont seem to want to be bothered or even concerned about it.
Rosie Gray: Trebor don’t despair
Beathan Vale: Trebor — that sounds a lot like politics irl
Trebor Warcliffe: It’s hard not to Rosie
Rosie Gray: it’s summer in the north and lots of people just have to spend time on rl because of it
Trebor Warcliffe: This is not a summer problem
Fern Leissa: Honestly Rosie… I don’t remember quite this degree of disengagment before
Trebor Warcliffe: And yes I understand there is uglyness across the Grid
Fern Leissa: And me too… I am guilty of not being around much
Shep Titian: They are’nt that far north that they’re hunting for winter food!!
Rosie Gray sighs
Trebor Warcliffe: You have estates shutting down that were financially supported by a few members
Fern Leissa: I guess the question is though as Trebor points out… how can we fix it
Trebor Warcliffe: We dont have that here
Trebor Warcliffe: We DONT rely on a few individuals financially
Trebor Warcliffe: This community was set up correctly
Trebor Warcliffe: In that the community pays for itself
Trebor Warcliffe: Even if we were to die off it would take a few years for it to happen
Trebor Warcliffe: Now is the time
Trebor Warcliffe: when a community like ours
Trebor Warcliffe: needs to get the word out
Trebor Warcliffe: we want peoples projects
Trebor Warcliffe: ideas
Trebor Warcliffe: we have many public use buildings that all someone has to do is own a small parcel in ouir commuinity and they can use htem
Fern Leissa: We need to be here too… green dots attract people… and most of us seem elsewhere or on the forum most of the time
Trebor Warcliffe: Our “government” our “democracy” is in place and it works fine
Trebor Warcliffe: now lets build the community
Trebor Warcliffe: lets be oen of the few who can prosper throgh the hard times
Trebor Warcliffe: Let the government run itself
Shep Titian: I have had a communication .. I won’t say from who .. about the ‘old guard’
Beathan Vale: Madame LRA — seeing no quorum in the RA, I move we adjourn with apologies to the citizens in attendance
Callipygian Christensen: well , in a radical ‘consider other points of view’ vein – perhaps the question to ask the populace is ‘is it time to convert to a ‘regular’ estate with e homeowners association in place of RA, and decide on a few good charities to receive the money
Rosie Gray: I agree that being here is pretty much the most important thing
Fern Leissa: We still have an old guard???
Beathan Vale: Well — not sure about the “guard” part
Callipygian Christensen: if nothing else, that will actually get them out of the woodwork and up in arms 
Shep Titian: I agree Beathan sorry .. I second
Shep Titian: Vote aye
Beathan Vale: aye
Trebor Warcliffe: Hell I’ve only been here 2 years I hope im not in that category
Shep Titian: Adjourned

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RA Meeting 4 August 2012

Re: 4 August 2012 RA Transcript
by Patroklus Murakami » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:27 pm
Shep Titian: ok folks meeting called to order and agenda in the box
Anna Toussaint: mmmm
Anna Toussaint: pepperoni ….
Shep Titian: Ok we all read the agenda and approve
Beathan Vale: aye
Anna Toussaint: aye
Shep Titian: Pip?
Pip Torok: aye
Shep Titian: Cool
Rosie Gray: back
Shep Titian: Speakers on todays items .. open discussion on the Bill .. Razzy probably not now and Trebor you speaking?
Pip Torok: wb
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes I can speak today thank you
Shep Titian: good
Shep Titian: Next .. do any citizens have any concerns we can help with?
Beathan Vale: I would like to add a covenant discussion to our next meeting based on forum postssion to the next meeting
Shep Titian: Ok …
Shep Titian: Any other RA concerns cropped up?
Pip Torok: not from me
Beathan Vale: no
Shep Titian: And Beathan if you could give me some details for the next agenda
Anna Toussaint: nope
Beathan Vale: I’m not sure — Tou and Gwyn have highlighted some issues
Shep Titian: Well lets sort one today .. the Notification bill
Shep Titian: this is what was passed ..
Shep Titian: Re: Citizenship Notification Bill
Postby Patroklus Murakami ? Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:35 am
This was passed at the RA meeting on 30 June 2012 in the following form:
CDSL 17-01 Citizen Notification Act
1. Posting information on the CDS forums and via in world notices will be considered to be sufficient notification to citizens of changes which affect them.
2. Citizens will be given at least 30 days notice of such changes.
Ayes: Beathan, Moonrise, Pip, Shep.
Anna has a 7-day vote.
Shep Titian: I thought it seemed clear .. but questions were raised as to the information that was alluded top
Shep Titian: to*
Shep Titian: Any thoughts?
Anna Toussaint: It looks clear to me
Trebor Warcliffe: Now that we have the actual text here for review I don’t have any thoughts.
Anna Toussaint: and I apologize for not being around much
Anna Toussaint: this new job is killin me
Shep Titian: Beathan .. you wanted it raised?
Beathan Vale: I think we should add two addtional clarifications as follows: 3. This Act shall not apply to notice of meetings provided that any action taken at the meeting is ineffective for thirty days under this Act to allow citizen comment and requests for revision and 4. This Act shall apply only to general, public actions, and not to private actions (such as covenant enforcement and foreclosure for not paying tier)
Pip Torok: wasnt there a draft preamble suggested in the Forum?
Shep Titian: I only got forum back this morning
Pip Torok: (wd accept those 2 extra sentences)
Shep Titian: I had to post this 24 hours before the meeting
Beathan Vale: I don’t thikn Gwyn proposed any specific preamble — only requested one — to address the issue in 4.
Anna Toussaint: they look ok to me, the two extra sentences
Beathan Vale: The issue in 3 clarifies an ambiguity about whether this applies to notice of the agenda of RA and SC meetings
Shep Titian: Gwyn seemed happy with my answer
Pip Torok: move to incorporate the 2 extra sentences…
Beathan Vale: second
Shep Titian: Ok .. vote please
Beathan Vale: aye
Anna Toussaint: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Shep Titian: Aye
Shep Titian: Razzy has 7 days but it it passed
Shep Titian: Ok short and sweet 
Anna Toussaint: were we voting on the amendments or the resolution?
Pip Torok: the amendment
Beathan Vale: that should have been on the amendment — let’s vot again for the act
Shep Titian: Yes amendment
Anna Toussaint: 
Beathan Vale: I move passage of the act
Pip Torok: move to vote on the substantial bill
Beathan Vale: second
Shep Titian: Ok .. second
Anna Toussaint: aye
Beathan Vale: lol
Shep Titian: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Beathan Vale: aye — we are eager much
Shep Titian: Good lets hope that is enough
Pip Torok: the speed-advantage of 4-wheeled RA’s ….
Shep Titian: New business seems empty
Shep Titian: No commissions to report
Shep Titian: Executive .. Trebor you have the floor
Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you
Trebor Warcliffe: The past two Fridays we have held 7Seas Fishing contests with 25+ people in attendance.
Trebor Warcliffe: These will continue to be held every Friday night at 9pm SLT. So far only 3 citizens have been in attendance so it would be nice to see more of our fellow citizens at least make an appearance.
Trebor Warcliffe: Next weekend and the weekend after, 11th. 12th. 18th. 19th.
Trebor Warcliffe: We will have a concert on each of those days.
Trebor Warcliffe: These are tribute band concerts
Trebor Warcliffe: The line up is Crosby Stills Nash & Young, the Rolling Stones, Queen, and Iron Maiden
Trebor Warcliffe: These will be held in Locus Amoenus by the bay area.
Trebor Warcliffe: I made a small presentation at the last Artisin Guild meeting.
Trebor Warcliffe: I am working on bringing in affiliate businesses owned by the CDS government to help increase traffic. The parcels will remain for sale and will have a small sign with something like “Your business could be here”
Trebor Warcliffe: Also I’d love to have someone write some human interest articles about the CDS to be submitted to the popular inworld publications.
Pip Torok raises hand
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Pip
Trebor Warcliffe: Pip?
Pip Torok: w/eregard to plots for sale .. cd the TIER be made plain as well as the price … the other day i had to guess an answer to a newbie
Trebor Warcliffe: The link is right on the portal Pip.
Beathan Vale: can’t that just be checked at the tier box onsite?
Trebor Warcliffe: And we also have a very up to date page on available land for sale maintained by Tan
Pip Torok: exactly beathan
Trebor Warcliffe: I believe if you click on the Hippo “For Sale” sign it tells the tier.
Pip Torok: i had thought on the about land number 1 (General)
Trebor Warcliffe: But I could be wrong, its ben a while since I clicked one.
Shep Titian: Ah bcheck both Pip
Shep Titian: Tier is on hippo
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes I thought so
Pip Torok: a new buyer wd find it confusing to have price and tier in separate locations…
Rosie Gray raises hand
Trebor Warcliffe: Pip many communities have the same set up as we do. You make hte purchase through the About Land tab and you pay tier through Hippo or other rental system.
Shep Titian: Rosie?
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Rosie
Rosie Gray: well I think there are ample ways for people to see the tier, but it could be written on the about land tab
Rosie Gray: the tier I mean
Rosie Gray: only it means another job for those managing it
Anna Toussaint: I agree with Rosie
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes it could but unfortunatly the only one who can do that is the owner which is Rudeen
Shep Titian: Thats a big ask
Rosie Gray nods
Trebor Warcliffe: Rudeen was kind enough to place new descriptions into all land for sale so our parcels show up better on the search page for LL.
Pip Torok: perhaps its dealt with in the handbook for the Welcome committee ..?
Pip Torok: (BEST dealt with etc …)
Rosie Gray raises hand
Trebor Warcliffe: Pip wouldnt that be even further distanced than the way it is now? The link to the MPL will be in the book.
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Rosie
Shep Titian: Go ahead Rosie
Rosie Gray: sorry I just think there is enough information,
Trebor Warcliffe: thank you
Rosie Gray: and we can’t cover every single eventuality
Pip Torok: ok … accept the majority thoughts …
Trebor Warcliffe: not with the amount of active volunteers we have
Anna Toussaint: well, tier is a pretty big deal …
Trebor Warcliffe: and it is easily found
Beathan Vale: well — I think we need to make sure that tier informationi s readily and easily available — for citizens and potential citizens alike
Trebor Warcliffe: Sudane wrote very good NC’s explaining everythign for the purchase of land
Trebor Warcliffe: That are given out as soon as someone touches the Hippo sign
Anna Toussaint: where would a newbie find the link to the tier page?
Trebor Warcliffe: I believe there in the NC that is given out
Pip Torok: I HAD thought right beside the price in About Land … but accept yr comments
Trebor Warcliffe: Pip new owners end up deleting that info and thats why its not in everyone of them
Trebor Warcliffe: I’d love for that to be “locked” but it isnt
Trebor Warcliffe: Ok I will continue with my Executive Report
Shep Titian: ok
Trebor Warcliffe: As mentioned earlier Shep and myself wrote up descriptions for the parcels available for sale to make our parcels appear more often in searches on the SL website.
Trebor Warcliffe: Next time you’re out walking you can check a parcel in each sim and read the descriptions.
Rosie Gray: oh good1
Trebor Warcliffe: Also I need some volunteers to be greeters for the 4 concerts. All concerts are 2pm SLT.
Trebor Warcliffe: I’ve been working on Oktoberfest issues
Trebor Warcliffe: Oktoberfest will be Friday September 21 through Sunday September 30.
Trebor Warcliffe: Would love for some of our citizens to come up with some ideas and contribute.
Shep Titian: Cool
Trebor Warcliffe: I’ve been searching for German entertainment and havent had to much luck.
Beathan Vale: kind of like German humor
Rosie Gray: lol
Rosie Gray: now Beathan!
Shep Titian: LMAO well said Beathan
Trebor Warcliffe: I think I’m done for now with my Executive Report. I’ll be happy to answer any questions concernign anything I’ve brought up.
Pip Torok: perhaps a CDS citizen has visted the RL Oktoberfest and bring back ideas?
Shep Titian: Does a quick scan for Lilith
Rosie Gray: much bier and rowdyness
Trebor Warcliffe: Nothing?
Trebor Warcliffe: So no one has no issues with the CDS bringing a bunch of businesses into the CDS?
Trebor Warcliffe: Good
Rosie Gray raises hand
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Rosie
Shep Titian: Think I;m clear Treb .. just how many affiliates are we getting?
Rosie Gray: I think that the affiliates are a good idea Treb, if that’s what you’re referring to
Shep Titian: Rosie?
Rosie Gray: not sure you need the little signs though
Trebor Warcliffe: This past week I havent been able to do my research like I wanted to
Rosie Gray: I would just put them around in some of the stores, and leave the odd one empty
Rosie Gray: that way we don’t look pathetic
Trebor Warcliffe: The original list I sent to people, most of those are no longer in business
Shep Titian: Ok
Trebor Warcliffe: so I did a new search sorted by newest first
Trebor Warcliffe: and have come up with some nice affilaites that would work
Trebor Warcliffe: I hope to have some in place within a week or so
Trebor Warcliffe: At least 2 or 3 to start
Shep Titian: Excellent
Rosie Gray: I’ve got one now in one of my stores
Rosie Gray: easy solution if you don’t have something yourself to sell
Trebor Warcliffe: Alli & Ali is one Im looking at
Trebor Warcliffe: Along with having them in the CDS we will have to market/advertise them to get traffic in here.
Soro Dagostino: RL calls, CYA
Shep Titian: They are good Treb
Trebor Warcliffe: Its not a case of open a business and they will magically appear
Trebor Warcliffe: It needs to be worked
Rosie Gray: well you’ll need to adv. them in the classifieds, same as any business
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes
Trebor Warcliffe: And Im trying to deal with the well established businesses so customer service wont be an issue
Rosie Gray: hi Calli
Shep Titian: Hi Calli
Pip Torok: hello Calli
Anna Toussaint: hi, Calli
Trebor Warcliffe: I’m done Shep
Callipygian Christensen: Hi all
Shep Titian: Ok thank you Trebor .. and thanks for doing all the work
Trebor Warcliffe: TY I more than welcome any help from anyone. Just reach out.
Shep Titian: Well I have no announcements
Rosie Gray reaches out and gives Trebor a POKE!
Shep Titian: So if we can make te next meeting
Shep Titian: lol
Shep Titian: ok so two weeks at the same time ok?
Pip Torok: ok for me!
Shep Titian: 18th August?
Shep Titian: 9,30 am
Beathan Vale: ok
Shep Titian: cool
Shep Titian: Anna?
Anna Toussaint: good for me
Shep Titian: ok then I propose we adjourn
Pip Torok: seconded
Shep Titian: aye
Anna Toussaint: aye
Beathan Vale: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Shep Titian: thanks guys

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RA Meeting 18 August 2012

Re: 18 August 2012 RA Transcript
by Patroklus Murakami » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:45 pm
Shep Titian: Calling the meeting to order
Shep Titian: Firstly do we all have the agenda and approve it?
Beathan Vale: move to approve
Pip Torok: second
Shep Titian: second
Shep Titian: lol vote aye
Beathan Vale: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Shep Titian: Speakers .. I am asking in advance for people to be patient
Shep Titian: I know things might get heated
Shep Titian: Trebor will you want to speak about Oktoberfest at all?
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes please
Shep Titian: good
Shep Titian: ok any citizens concers other than that on the agenda?
Tanoujin Milestone keeps her mouth shut
Pip Torok: 
Shep Titian: Silence .. ok RA concerns?
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: sorry, if I missed the ‘wanting to speak on topics ‘ list -I will want to
Ranma Tardis: me too
Lilith Ivory: I might want also
Shep Titian: Ok on which subject?
Ranma Tardis: ending the experiment
Shep Titian: This is more speaking on projects such as Oktoberfest
Beathan Vale: I have a hunch that we will need to let a lot of people speak on that one
Shep Titian: The main feast will give everyone a chance
Callipygian Christensen: I will want to speak to that and probably to Chncellor’s report
Pip Torok: a running forum debate, perhaps?
Shep Titian: We can make a good start Pip
Pip Torok: indeed
Shep Titian: I have a concern
Trebor Warcliffe: Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
Shep Titian: that my fellow RA members .. those present excluded .. don’t turn up
Shep Titian: Ok old business .. anything lurking I missed?
Shep Titian: ok .. now if you will allow me .. as I underestimated the turn out .. lets swop order .. Treb would you like the floor on Oktoberfest?
Trebor Warcliffe: Id like hte floor on the Executive Report
Trebor Warcliffe: which includes Oktoberfest
Shep Titian: Ok slapped wrist
Trebor Warcliffe: The view isnt bad from here lol
Trebor Warcliffe: Ok I’m glad everyone here could make it today.
Trebor Warcliffe: First order of business from me.
Trebor Warcliffe: I had to make an Executive decision the other day and eject and ban a citizen from our community.
Trebor Warcliffe: Turtlette666
Trebor Warcliffe: purchased a parcel in NFS outside city walls
Lilith Ivory: (Tartlette666)
Trebor Warcliffe: complaints were brought to my attention that she was walking through NFS as a Penis Avatar
Trebor Warcliffe: TY Lil
Lilith Ivory: yw 
Trebor Warcliffe: She also had numerous penises erected on her property.
Trebor Warcliffe: I sent her a NC, which I will give all of you now.
Beathan Vale: ::sigh:: the return of penis griefing
Callipygian Christensen: Beathan, this was more ‘penis as a decor accent’ I think *grin*
Shep Titian: I wish I’d seen it
Trebor Warcliffe: I retunred all the penises and more appeared the next day
Lilith Ivory: I?ve to say buying land to grief a community has some style 
Trebor Warcliffe: After another 24 hours with no response from her nad still more penises being erected I took executive action and ejected her and banned her
Trebor Warcliffe: Next topic
Trebor Warcliffe: Oktoberfest
Trebor Warcliffe: This year Oktoberfest will be from the 22nd to the 30th of September.
Trebor Warcliffe: I made an announcement in the CDS forums and sadly I havent gotten any feedback in the forums. I have been speaking/working with Lilith and Tor about some events we’re working on but the overall input from citizens is almost nonexistent.
Trebor Warcliffe: So far we have planned an opening horse parade
Shep Titian: oooh
Trebor Warcliffe: A concert on 22nd (Trans Siberian Orchestra), a 2hour folk music DJ on Tuesday the 25th
Trebor Warcliffe: Another concert (Ramstein) on the 29th.
Shep Titian: 
Trebor Warcliffe: And we’re trying to set up a Ball on the closing day to celebrate both Oktoberfest and the CDS 8th birthday party.
Trebor Warcliffe: I cant stress the importance of having as many of our citizens as active as possibler in the planning and execution of this event.
Trebor Warcliffe: I would think that our government officials would be the first to raise their hand and contribute in whatever way they can.
Trebor Warcliffe: Im done for now thank you.
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Shep Titian: And thank you Treb
Trebor Warcliffe: ty
Callipygian Christensen: Trebor has notified me, as Dea of the SC, of the banning and I have a notice to the SC about it in progress.
Callipygian Christensen: done
Shep Titian: You feel there might be a problem with the banning Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: Not at all – I know I among others suggested it..
Shep Titian: Good
Callipygian Christensen: but there is reference to banning in the laws so the SC is required to address it at least
Shep Titian: okay .. If Razzy was here I would ask her to report next
Shep Titian: So moving on
Lilith Ivory: Hi Sudane 
Sudane Erato: hi 
Pip Torok: hi Sudane!
Soro Dagostino: Hello Sudane 
Sudane Erato: hi hi 
Shep Titian: A citizen put it to me that they felt CDS was more or less finished , that nothing of note was being done and in their opinion it should be dissolved and out reserves given to charity .. comments from RA first please
Shep Titian: Hi Sudane
Sudane Erato: hey 
Pip Torok raises hand …
Shep Titian: Pip
Callipygian Christensen: I would like to speak first to the shut down the experiment item, since I believe I also mentioned this in a pror RA transcript
Shep Titian: Noted Calli
Pip Torok: well there are times in every sim when things get slack … thats no reason in itself to wind things up …
Pip Torok: is there an iimmediate financial problem? .. I shd say no …
Pip Torok: is democracy important in SL and RL rthese days ….
Pip Torok: Id say overwhelminglyn yes …
Pip Torok: done
Shep Titian: Thank you Pip
Shep Titian: Beathan you wish to comment?
Beathan Vale: Yes
Beathan Vale: As I mentioned before the meeting — I don’t think the Constitution allows this step so even if the RA so voted, the SC would have grounds to invalidate on Constitutional grounds (although I don’t want to speak to or predict the action of the SC)
Beathan Vale: Further,
Beathan Vale: as I mentioned before the meeting — the CDS is not just an experiment in democracy, although we are that — we are also a community and a set of institutions that have been created during our time in existence. These may continue to exist even if we end democracy – although I am not sure that any of them will continue if we cease as a community
Beathan Vale: So — the question is — are we still a community — I think we are. As a community we have high points and low points — strong community v periods of weakness, disengagement, etc. We might be in a weak period — but we are still here — today’s turnout shows that.
Beathan Vale: There is a third issue
Beathan Vale: SL itself seems to be in strong decline. It is an old platform and is becoming increasingly antiquated and losing interest and membership
Beathan Vale: So — even if we want to continue — we may find that we can’t really continue in SL
Beathan Vale: In such case, I would recommend looking for another platform, and I would support an exploratory committee to keep and eye out for such a thing.
Beathan Vale: I don’t think that there is a content sandbox, rl MMO that is as good as SL.
Trebor Warcliffe raises hand and would like to speak after Calli
Shep Titian: Noted Treb
Beathan Vale: However, there is an upcoming traditional low fantasy game we might consider — Embers of Caerus — released in 2016 — which is not a content sandbox, but is a social and (more importantly) a governemental sandbox, allowing communities in the game to develop self-governing communities and set laws. If we want to focus on the social sandbox we have here in an updated environment, that might be an option — although the game aspects would probably turn off many of our citizens. Still, we should keep a weather eye out on this issue.
Beathan Vale: Done
Shep Titian: Thank you Bearthan
Shep Titian: open to floor .. Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: Thank you. I cannot speak to the concerns of the person who spoke privately with Shep but personally when I raised this topc there were a number of reasons. We were at an inquorate RA meeting, and discussion covered that, along with the level of disengagement of the citizenry..an ongoing discussion for 2 terms now as Trebor has struggled to find volunteers etc.
Callipygian Christensen: I quote myself here, from the RA transcript on the Forum of August 4th:
Callipygian Christensen: Callipygian Christensen: well , in a radical ‘consider other points of view’ vein – perhaps the question to ask the populace is ‘is it time to convert to a ‘regular’ estate with e homeowners association in place of RA, and decide on a few good charities to receive the money
Rosie Gray: I agree that being here is pretty much the most important thing
Fern Leissa: We still have an old guard???
Beathan Vale: Well — not sure about the “guard” part
Callipygian Christensen: if nothing else, that will actually get them out of the woodwork and up in arms

Callipygian Christensen: (there was a smiley after the up in arms comment 
Shep Titian: My thoughts exactly and it was’nt based on you Calli .. I would have told you
Pip Torok raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: So, my positing that view was much as Shep has done in putting it on the agenda – what DO the citizens see as the future
Shep Titian: Pip after Treb
Trebor Warcliffe: I will pass to Pip for the moment.
Callipygian Christensen nods to Shep..just framing that it isn’t such a radical thing really..just a motivator to get people *involved* in the discussion
Shep Titian: Hi Tor
Callipygian Christensen: done
Pip Torok: two points to stress:
Tor Karlsvalt: hi
Lilith Ivory: Hi Tor
Shep Titian: Pip
Pip Torok: one .. we live in extraordinary conomic times so the usual rules may not apply ..
Pip Torok: two .. IMO we should stress that we are NOT RP’ers anything but …
Pip Torok: done
Shep Titian: Thx Pip
Shep Titian: Treb?
Trebor Warcliffe: Would anyone else like to speak before I do?
Trebor Warcliffe: Ranma?
Ranma Tardis: ty
Ranma Tardis: was not prepared to speak on this subject
Trebor Warcliffe: Fair enough
Shep Titian: I believe Tan wanted a word?
Tanoujin Milestone: thanks, no
Ranma Tardis: was at the beginning of the CDS and it was a fine start from diaster
Shep Titian: ok
Trebor Warcliffe: When Ranma is done I will speak
Ranma Tardis: came back to support the effort of a democratic government in sl
Ranma Tardis: ah while things are slow now there is still a community, do feel that the rules have become so complex it has weakened the community
Ranma Tardis: had to shift my Peace Inisitude over to Caledon, though like here am supporting in this case my friend
Ranma Tardis: will support the majority and wonder how this not know person wants our community to commit spepuku?
Ranma Tardis: lets hang toughter as a community, thank you
Shep Titian: ThaxRanma
Pip Torok: (agrees strongly)
Shep Titian: Treb?
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes thank you.
Trebor Warcliffe: First off the person who made these comments wasn’t me LOL.
Trebor Warcliffe: I dont know who it was but I believe hte comments were made out of frustration.
Trebor Warcliffe: It seems we have a lot of “talkers” but when it comes to getting things done there are few people available.
Trebor Warcliffe: SL is on a downside but I dont see them shutting down anytime soon. Studies have shown they will probably close the year down roughly 10% in population from the beginning of the year.
Trebor Warcliffe: I dont think I have anything else to say. The CDS will not grow and prosper off hte hard work of just a few individuals. We can get a lot more done with 50 active people instead of 5 active people. The choice is up to each and everyone who reads this post.
Trebor Warcliffe: DONE
Shep Titian: Thank you Trebor
Tor Karlsvalt: Raises hand
Tanoujin Milestone: Hello Spider 
Pip Torok: hi!!
Tor Karlsvalt Raises hand
Shep Titian: I included this today .. expecting ven hoping to see a wave of outrage
Shep Titian: Tor
Spider22997 Upshaw: hello
Lilith Ivory: Hi Spider
Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you
Tor Karlsvalt: I just want to point out that LL has just announced that they will make SL available via Steam
Tor Karlsvalt: This is an online gaming distriubutor.
Pip Torok: Steam?
Shep Titian: Oh joy
Pip Torok reacts with caution …
Tor Karlsvalt: This might not occur for months, but we might see an upswing in ppl finding SL once it is seen on Steam
Trebor Warcliffe: Queen will be in concert todaty at 2pm SLT in LA and tomorrow Iron Maiden will be playing at 2pm at LA.
Pip Torok: oh joy!
Tor Karlsvalt: There might be a downside, but at least LL seems to making an effort to advertising SL better.
Shep Titian: Shush Pip .. lol
Trebor Warcliffe raises hand
Tor Karlsvalt: and I am against liquidation. Done
Shep Titian: Treb
Sudane Erato: raise hand
Shep Titian: Noted Sudane
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes thank you. I understand that Calli and Rosie will not be inworld during Oktoberfest but since I have some people here I need to know who will be available to help out with some of our events during the fest?
Trebor Warcliffe: Don’t trip over yourselves.
Ranma Tardis: laughs what needs to be done?
Pip Torok: i will, trebor … tho my eyes suffer from the RL dry-heat
Trebor Warcliffe: Honestly besides contributing to the planning and execution of the events the big thing we need is our citizens in attendance at these events to greet people and make the visitors feel welcomed.
Callipygian Christensen: (I will drink beer on the Left Bank in hounour of Octoberfest though!)
Shep Titian: Peeps
Trebor Warcliffe: Currently myself, Tor and Lil have been working on some ideas
Shep Titian: Sudane?
Trebor Warcliffe: And we’re wide open to other’s suggestions.
Trebor Warcliffe: DONE
Sudane Erato: i’d just like to say thtat Beathan’s comments hit the spot for me
Shep Titian: Sudane you have the floor
Sudane Erato: his first comment was legal techie
Sudane Erato: so
Sudane Erato: that to me was not so significant
Sudane Erato: but comments 2 and 3, about the pahses of community
Sudane Erato: and about the future of SL
Sudane Erato: very well express to me what I feel our future is
Sudane Erato: CDS has gone thru huge cycles
Sudane Erato: and we are now in a quiet one
Sudane Erato: and I say… thank god for that
Tor Karlsvalt: hear! Hear
Sudane Erato: because now is the time that “nation-building” could really happen
Sudane Erato: i think it will… despite the obvious problems, and the eternal problems, we always have finding volunteerds
Trebor Warcliffe listens very intently
Sudane Erato: done
Shep Titian: Me rtoo
Pip Torok: hear hear
Trebor Warcliffe: Can you expand please Sudane
Sudane Erato: expand?… on…?
Shep Titian: Nation building
Sudane Erato: oh…
Pip Torok wonders whether a c onsidered statement within the Forum isnt a better vehicle …
Sudane Erato: if we persist in some of the ‘peaceful” efforts, such as what Trebor is doing… and i totally support his brow-beating… its essential
Sudane Erato: if we persist, now in times of relative peace… i think that the community can mature..
Sudane Erato: fundamental… i do not think that just because things are quiet, the community is stagnant
Sudane Erato: there has always been a difficulty getting projects going
Sudane Erato: now is no different
Sudane Erato: done again
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: With respect to Sudane , Beathan..everyone who speaks of bulding..
Callipygian Christensen: it doenst address that there is no ‘wave of outrage’ because 80 %of the poulace dont read the RA agenda..transcripts..
Lilith Ivory: wb Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: ty
Callipygian Christensen: or maybe even know or *care8 that RA meetings ahppen.
Sudane Erato: sounds like about the RL percentage too
Shep Titian: sorry on phone
Beathan Vale: CC — the outrage will come if we do it — and more so because people will be surprised having not read the transcripts
Tor Karlsvalt: true
Callipygian Christensen: If we – the global we- are to build, it can’t happen easily if 8 out of ten citizens are totally apathetic
Callipygian Christensen: I dont have an answer to how to get them angaged..andi applaud and feel for Trebor..he’s knocked himself senseless trying
Sudane Erato: i agree… Trebor is to be hugely commended
Sudane Erato: bravo!
Callipygian Christensen: but in honesty.and I include myself..if all we do is sit and *talk* about how its all possible, and dont DO anything..then it isnt possible
Trebor Warcliffe: exactly Calli
Callipygian Christensen: (and yes, I am often the devil’s advocate in every group I belong to )
Pip Torok wonders what chance do people in general within SL have to express any sort of democracy or free-speech themselves…
Shep Titian: ack
Shep Titian: phone again
Spider22997 Upshaw: best thing to do is to organize a committee for each item of business you wish to accomplish, but i am new and maybe you already do that?
Soro Dagostino raises hand
Shep Titian: Soro?
Soro Dagostino: Across the spectrum of SL, there is a lot of talking going on.
Soro Dagostino: It is as to personal wants and desires, obtaining pleasure, making homes.
Soro Dagostino: Very few speak in hte public spectrum.
Soro Dagostino: it is not easy to learn and maintain.
Soro Dagostino: I think we should teach public speaking and help folk become part of governments.
Soro Dagostino: Done.
Shep Titian: Thank you
Pip Torok: (food for thought … ty Soro)
Callipygian Christensenraises hand..could we acknowledge Spider’s suggestion and address it a moment?
Shep Titian: Well that seems to be done with .. business as usual lol
Shep Titian: Sorry I must have missed that when on the phone
Shep Titian: Go ahead
Shep Titian: I see it
Callipygian Christensen: SPider, totally a good suggestion and the ‘usual’ way to do things, but the underlying issue is lack of involvement by a large number of citizens, for committees or anything else. That said, (and welcome!) if you want to get involved Trebor would love a volunteer 
Spider22997 Upshaw: raises hand
Shep Titian: Spider?
Spider22997 Upshaw: yes,
Shep Titian: Go ahead
Trebor Warcliffe: Beathan can I post our chat in public finveterate asshole
Spider22997 Upshaw: first i am sorry for speaking out of turn, but i have worked in property manaemeny in RL and may be of help here
Shep Titian: TREB!
Trebor Warcliffe: Beathan can I post our chat in public? Maybe you’ll have others who also feel I am an inveterate asshole
Spider22997 Upshaw: but having a committee is a good way to get things done
Spider22997 Upshaw: they gather the information and present to the board for approval or not
Trebor Warcliffe: ???
Shep Titian: We do have those Spider from time to time .. but as Calli says its hard getting folk to volunteer
Trebor Warcliffe: Cat got your tounge?
Shep Titian: Treb please don’t fight
Trebor Warcliffe: Maybe I’ll just post my side of the conversation. That isnt in violation of anything is it Shep?
Spider22997 Upshaw: and does someone have a list of what the board would like information on
Shep Titian: No Treb
Ranma Tardis: raises hand
Shep Titian: Your words are your own
Shep Titian: Ran?
Pip Torok: Spider, Trebor or Lilith wd be the best guide for that .. or tanoujin
Tanoujin Milestone: We have procedures, Spider. I am looking forward to see you involved
Ranma Tardis: we need to be a community of friends first and last
Callipygian Christensen: Spider – if you take a look at the Forums the postings give you a general idea of what’s on the table for CDS in general
Spider22997 Upshaw: thank you, i also used to rent/sell land here in SL and may be able to help you with how you sell your land here
Ranma Tardis: our fighting each other is a big turn off
Ranma Tardis: coughs
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Re: 18 August 2012 RA Transcript
by Patroklus Murakami » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:46 pm
Callipygian Christensen: Trebor is the Chancellor and tasked with a lot of the ‘make it happen’..so a combination of some reading and a chat with him might answer that
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes it cetainly is Ranma.
Shep Titian: Now that Spider is VERY interesting
Ranma Tardis: the thing is what sort of community do we want?
Shep Titian: Meet our new Realator 
Ranma Tardis: am available on weekends but rl for me is busy
Tanoujin Milestone: Indeed. I say: welcome to know how and engagement
Trebor Warcliffe: A community where people actually participate and not sit on the sidelines and blow a bunch of hot air.
Ranma Tardis: other than democracy what do our residents want and expect?
Tanoujin Milestone shuts up again to give order a chance 
Tor Karlsvalt: 
Pip Torok: (British-based citizens please note .. Realator = Estate Agent …)
Ranma Tardis: you have my suppot Trebor
Ranma Tardis: sighs
Sudane Erato: thx Pip 
Shep Titian: Sorry Tan
Tanoujin Milestone:  all ok
Shep Titian: Folks Tan has the floor
Tanoujin Milestone: i was done, lol
Shep Titian: ok then lol
Shep Titian: Well Exec report was incorporated into Oktoberfest
Shep Titian: And I have no announcements
Shep Titian: Next RA meeting .. Beathan Pip .. 2 weeks .. same time?
Pip Torok: ok for me …
Shep Titian: cool
Callipygian Christensen: Shep
Callipygian Christensen: taht is the labour Day weekend in the US
Shep Titian: Ah ok
Callipygian Christensen: last holdiday of the summer..you might want to go to the following week if you want citizen and US RA member attendance
Shep Titian: Threec weeks then .. nothing urgent on
Pip Torok: again ok by me
Sudane Erato: oops… sorry, must leave. bye all 
Pip Torok: bye Sudane!
Shep Titian: Byeee
Tanoujin Milestone: bye, Sudane
Tor Karlsvalt: bye Sudane
Ranma Tardis: waves
Soro Dagostino: goodbye Sudane
Shep Titian: Ok threeweeks September 8th at 9.30
Shep Titian: ok Pip?
Pip Torok: yup!
Shep Titian: ok Beathan?
Shep Titian: Flicks a paperclip at Beathan
Beathan Vale: SORRY — distracted
Beathan Vale: yep
Shep Titian: Cool .. the move to adjopurn
Shep Titian: Move to adjourn
Pip Torok: seconded
Shep Titian: #vote aye
Pip Torok: aye
Shep Titian: ok taking Beathan as given
Pip Torok: poke him again, mme LRA …
Shep Titian: Adjopurned

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RA Meeting 15 September 2012

Re: 15 Sept 2012 RA Transcript
by Patroklus Murakami » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:45 am
Shep Titian: Ok lets get started
Shep Titian: Calling the nmeeting to order
Shep Titian: Do we all have and approve the agenda?
Moonrise Azalee: Yes
Anna Toussaint: yes
Spider22997 Upshaw: yes
Pip Torok: i have and if all have it i propose we accept it
Shep Titian: Yes will do .. thanks
Shep Titian: Hi Treb
Pip Torok: (anyone to secone me?)
Moonrise Azalee: Aye
Trebor Warcliffe: Hello all
Pip Torok: second
Anna Toussaint: second
Shep Titian: Aye
Pip Torok: aye … (forestalling slightly)
Anna Toussaint: aye
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Shep Titian: Speakers .. Trebor will you be making a starement?
Shep Titian: Statement even
Trebor Warcliffe: I can make a quick statement, give everyone an update on our activities.
Shep Titian: Good .. Razzy any updates or calls for help you can talk about?
Moonrise Azalee: Well, I posted in the forum about the Citizen’s Market, but felt that perhaps that should wait until Oktoberfest passes
Shep Titian: Ok …
Moonrise Azalee: As that is sort of the big item right now 
Shep Titian: Yes so Treb only you today
Shep Titian: Citizens concers .. any??
Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
Shep Titian: Trebor?
Trebor Warcliffe: How come I dont see anything on the agenda in reference to the Order of Anzere?
Sudane Erato: what is that?
Trebor Warcliffe: The honor we bestowed upon Moon Adamant last year.
Trebor Warcliffe: We’re suppose to nominate someone to receive hte honor this year.
Trebor Warcliffe: It is held during Oktoberfest.
Trebor Warcliffe: And hello Sudane, I didnt see you over there. Good to see you
Shep Titian: I thought it shopuld be discussed in private to tell you thr truth
Trebor Warcliffe: And has it been?
Trebor Warcliffe: That was one of the main reasons we scheduled this meeting today.
Shep Titian: Not yet as I have’nt seen anyone online when I have been until now!
Trebor Warcliffe: I was under the assumption you were going to be talking with your fellow RA members during the week.
Shep Titian: I thought the end of this meeting might be an appropriate time
Shep Titian: I have’nt seen any of them
Trebor Warcliffe: I was hoping we’d have something agreed upon by the start of this meeting but I can agree that the end of the meeting will be ok.
Shep Titian: So how do you suggest I do that?
Moonrise Azalee: I’m never on til at least 9pm slt
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Trebor Warcliffe: email
Moonrise Azalee: doesnt coincide well with uk time
Trebor Warcliffe: forum posting
Trebor Warcliffe: private IM
Tor Karlsvalt has indicated consent to be recorded.
Shep Titian: Forum posting .. it is meant to be private!
Trebor Warcliffe: some of us get an email alert when a private IM is sent to us
Moonrise Azalee: I think we have each others email addys
Trebor Warcliffe: Forum posting to let all know you need to meet with them
Shep Titian: Its an award NOT a goverment thing
Trebor Warcliffe: You dont have to discuss the details
Trebor Warcliffe: Who makes the final decision Shep?
Trebor Warcliffe: The RA
Trebor Warcliffe: Whether its a government “thing” or not it is handled by the RA
Trebor Warcliffe: And we adjourned hte meeting last week stressing the importance of gettign this taken care of.
Shep Titian: Yes exactly
Anna Toussaint: Yup, so perhaps you should back off and quit complaining?
Callipygian Christensen waves her hand about a bit
Trebor Warcliffe: DONE
Shep Titian: You’re flying so close to losing one of your biggest supporters right now
Shep Titian: How DARE you berrate me in public!!!
Trebor Warcliffe: I believe Calli had her hand raised.
Anna Toussaint: Treborm, that is the chairs call to make
Anna Toussaint: not yours
Trebor Warcliffe: Hi Tor, glad you could make it
Trebor Warcliffe: I was just bringing it to the chairs attention Anna, no harm meant thank you. Im glad to see you could make it today, thank you.
Anna Toussaint: I am offended for Shep at your tone
Shep Titian: Anna could you take over .. I’m needed elsewhere
Anna Toussaint: k
Shep Titian: I vote aye on the addition
Anna Toussaint: It will be a short meeting … cause I have to go
Anna Toussaint: so, that was fun
Moonrise Azalee smiles
Anna Toussaint: any other speakers on today’s agenda items?
Callipygian Christensen waves her hand
Anna Toussaint: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: I wish to speak to the Order of Anzere discussion now or when appropriate
Anna Toussaint: go ahead
Callipygian Christensen: Moving away form everyone’s righteous indignation and back to the actual issue – the act creating the Order is vague
Callipygian Christensen: there is no directio in how people are nominted..
Callipygian Christensen: only that RA decides
Anna Toussaint: ah
Anna Toussaint: well, have there been any nominations?
Callipygian Christensen: I agree tht it is a discussion that should be priavte and involve all RA members
Moonrise Azalee: This is the first ive heard of it – ive been away
Pip Torok: not as such Anna .. probably private deliberations …
Callipygian Christensen: but I think RA should consider outlining an actual nomination process and identify some criteria they will use to evaluate nominees
Moonrise Azalee nods
Callipygian Christensen: that will avoid any suggestion that RA ‘only consider friends’ or any such..and also lays out criteria so that there may be a year that the ward is not awarded
Anna Toussaint: that is good advice … perhaps after our private deliberations as to the present candidate, it should be on th agenda for a future mtg
Moonrise Azalee: I agree
Anna Toussaint: so noted … I assume that shep will convene us for such a dicussion
Callipygian Christensen: Since the name of at least one nominee has been stated openly at the last RA meeting, I think ‘we’ being the global we that I thiink Treb must be referring to, should now expect that RA will discuss, decide and notify the chancellor of a need for an awards ceremonly at Octoberfest
Anna Toussaint: any further comments? Citizen’s concerns?
Tor Karlsvalt: brb
Callipygian Christensen: done
Anna Toussaint: as you have said, it should be in private, which we do not have at this time
Anna Toussaint: unfortunately
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: yes Anna – I was just finishing thethought, and pointing out that there is a time concern 
Anna Toussaint: Razzy?
Anna Toussaint: 
Moonrise Azalee: I just have an RA member concern question.. two actually, may I bring them up?
Anna Toussaint: go ahead
Moonrise Azalee: 1) I noticed that the document link in the About Land/Covenant tab is broken.
Anna Toussaint: ah.
Moonrise Azalee: 2) wondering if there is something written somewhere about having purchased but empty parcels – meaning are there rules about having a parcel and leaving it empty, espcially as it pertains to city areas
Anna Toussaint: anything else?
Moonrise Azalee: nope 
Anna Toussaint: 
Anna Toussaint: anyone care to comment on her comments?
Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
Anna Toussaint: Treb?
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Razzy was the link on the web portal?
Pip Torok: yes .. 1st to identify present instances …
Moonrise Azalee: No, in the About Land whn you click on it
Moonrise Azalee: Land Fees I believe
Trebor Warcliffe: Im not understanding what you’re asking than. I don’t believe there is a link in the About Land tab.
Moonrise Azalee: World, about land, covenant, a web address for a google document that has land fees
Trebor Warcliffe: The sale price is in the About Land tab and the tier information is in the Hippo sign.
Trebor Warcliffe: Ok ty
Trebor Warcliffe: I will look into that
Moonrise Azalee: Tier fees for each CDS parcel are listed here https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl= … utput=html. Responsibility for monthly fees continues until a new owner claims or you officially abandon the property.
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Sudane Erato: oh… i see it… its gotten truncated
Moonrise Azalee grins
Moonrise Azalee: yes.
Anna Toussaint: ok … how about her second question?
Pip Torok: i have commednted already …
Moonrise Azalee: I missed that I think Pip, could you repeat
Anna Toussaint: I didn’t catch it either
Pip Torok: ” yes .. 1st to identify present instances …”
Trebor Warcliffe: I dont have an answer immediately available but I certainly am not against people owning land just for the sake of owning land considering out state of affairs. For some its a way to help fill the coffers.
Moonrise Azalee: I agree-but having many empty shops just looks bad
Moonrise Azalee: is it so hard to place a chair or flowers or picture?
Pip Torok: i take it were NOT referring to prim-farms od course
Trebor Warcliffe: Well that is something I am working on
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Anna Toussaint: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: thanks Anna – empty parcels inNFS inside the city walls are a covenant contravention
Anna Toussaint: thank you
Callipygian Christensen: while I see the point of ‘we need people so let be flexible’ that poses problems down the road
Moonrise Azalee: Well, I realize there are homes, builds.. but more meaning totally empty buildings and market stalls. It just gives a Ghost Town impression and was wondering if there was a rule about that
Moonrise Azalee nods
Callipygian Christensen: because if X and Y can have empty prcels, or beehives, or whatever..then you should just toss that part of the covenant
Trebor Warcliffe: Razzy did you read about my efforts to bring in new business into the CDS?
Moonrise Azalee: Is that covenant an NFS only? or is that in CN as well?
Pip Torok: apart from the covenant .. no rule as I understand it
Anna Toussaint: Calli? are you done?
Moonrise Azalee apologizes for speaking out of turn
Callipygian Christensen: one quick addendum..if Razzy means the fachwerks that are empty, I am not sure if covenant or law says they must look occupied done
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Anna Toussaint: Razzy asked if it were in the covenant of CN?
Anna Toussaint: anybody know?
Anna Toussaint: without pulling it up, that is?
Callipygian Christensen: which..that parcels have a build or that the build be ‘in use’?
Trebor Warcliffe: Not at the moment but the covenents can be found in the About Land tabs
Callipygian Christensen: I think CN has no requirement
Sudane Erato: i’m reading it now… don’t see any mention of it
Moonrise Azalee has read through but saw nothing about it
Anna Toussaint: the first … parcels have a build
Anna Toussaint: Thanks, Sidane
Anna Toussaint: Sudane
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Anna Toussaint: yes?
Moonrise Azalee: I will bring this up on the forums when they are back up 
Anna Toussaint: sounds good
Pip Torok: good idea!
Anna Toussaint: shall we move along?
Moonrise Azalee: yes
Anna Toussaint: k … how about the amendment? the link in the agenda doesn’t work
Moonrise Azalee: This is the one from the forum – about private land sales?
Moonrise Azalee: ‘is this’
Anna Toussaint: Yes
Moonrise Azalee: Fresh in my mind, I just read it before the site went down
Anna Toussaint: uh oh
Anna Toussaint: the forum is down
Anna Toussaint: does anybody have it on a notecard to pass around?
Callipygian Christensen: I am accessing the Forum
Sudane Erato: the forum is up for me
Anna Toussaint: good
Moonrise Azalee: ahh, its back 
Pip Torok: great!
Anna Toussaint: can someone put up a url in chat?
Pip Torok: its still down for me …
Moonrise Azalee: propagation takes time
Anna Toussaint: can you post a url in chat, Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: im just trying to find the actual thread… just as ec
Anna Toussaint: 
Spider22997 Upshaw: index.php
Trebor Warcliffe: I have noticed sometimes using Internet Explorer I cant access the forums but have no problems accessing it when i use Google Chrome. Just a thought.
Moonrise Azalee: I see BEathan has requested a 7 day vote – he was unable to log in this mornning
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Moonrise Azalee: I can’t find the actual thread.. lol which section was he in
Moonrise Azalee: i mean ‘it’
Callipygian Christensen: general discussion request for covenant change or something like that
Anna Toussaint: I can’t find it …
Moonrise Azalee: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3892
Sudane Erato: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3892
Moonrise Azalee: there we go
Anna Toussaint: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3892
Anna Toussaint: oops
Anna Toussaint: 
Anna Toussaint: ok
Sudane Erato: 
Anna Toussaint: does someone want to move we adopt it so we can discuss?
Pip Torok: i move the amenment as written by Tanoujin and amended by Sudane
Moonrise Azalee: i second that
Moonrise Azalee grins
Anna Toussaint: ok
Anna Toussaint: any comments?
Pip Torok: only that it seems to me straightforward .. both the original and the amendment
Sudane Erato: raise hand
Anna Toussaint: Sudane?
Sudane Erato: just to note that Shep seems to object to it rather fervently..
Sudane Erato: so
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Sudane Erato: if we are to go in that direction… it would be an executive matter
Sudane Erato: the ACTION of the ammendment would not change
Sudane Erato: DONE
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Anna Toussaint: Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: Shep did say, upon departing this morning “I vote aye on the addition”
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Anna Toussaint: she did
Anna Toussaint: that is true
Anna Toussaint: Calli?
Pip Torok: thats right …
Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: I have to point out that the amendment in Shep’s agenda is not identical to the forum items
Anna Toussaint: I cannot bring it up, for some reason
Moonrise Azalee: IT doesnt work for me either
Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: so she was saying aye to her own wording I am guessing..and if you are voting on this it should be cler *what* the motion is..it would be best to post the actual text here in chat
Pip Torok agrees with Calli
Anna Toussaint: I agree with Calli as well
Anna Toussaint: perhaps there should be a motion to table?
Moonrise Azalee: I just asked her for it, if she has the notecard
Moonrise Azalee: are you able to see what she has Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: Your status as citizen in this community is dependent on your making regular payment of the monthly fee for this land, which will be reclaimed by the community if you do not make this payment. Tier fees for each CDS parcel are listed here. Responsibility for monthly fees continues until a new owner claims or you officially abandon the property.
I propose adding these words * * to the above section of the property covenant
* Your rights to sell the property are revoked once tier is in arrears. *
Our laws already cover us for reclaiming the land .. but some wanted a few words of clarification
Anna Toussaint: so this is a new motion entirely
Callipygian Christensen: thtis the text shown in today’s agenda
Anna Toussaint: hmmm
Anna Toussaint: the motion was on the text in the forum
Anna Toussaint: that is what is before us
Moonrise Azalee: For what it is worth, I do agree with her wording.
Anna Toussaint: and what Shep left her vote on
Pip Torok: does this “revised” version contain the spirit of Sudanes amendment?
Sudane Erato: my ammendment was only to omit text that is no longer relevant
Anna Toussaint: we have a bill on the floor that is the text that is in forum
Pip Torok: ok then I too agree on the wording in the agenda
Moonrise Azalee: “”It is your responsibility to inform the treasurer of changes in ownership.” is the text you are referring to Sudane?
Sudane Erato: yes… that shpould be omitted as no longer relevant
Anna Toussaint: we have motion on the floor … we can propose a substitute motion and vote on it
Anna Toussaint: it would have Shep’s wording and Sudane’s amendment
Callipygian Christensen: this is the original proposed addition in the FOrum : Your right to sell land privately expires as soon as you are in arrears of your monthly fees for the parcel in question. The community may reclaim such a property without notice at the first opportunity.
Anna Toussaint: is there a motion to substitute?
Pip Torok: i move the substitution
Moonrise Azalee: I move to substitute as expressed here
Pip Torok: second
Callipygian Christensen: then Sudane added also delete: It is your responsibility to inform the treasurer of changes in ownership.
Anna Toussaint: all in favor of substituting the shep motion for the one on the floor, say aye
Moonrise Azalee: Aye
Pip Torok: aye
Anna Toussaint: the chair votes aye
Anna Toussaint: it is subsity=uted
Anna Toussaint: now is there any discussion of that motion?
Anna Toussaint: are we ready to vote?
Pip Torok: yes…
Moonrise Azalee: yes
Anna Toussaint: all in favor say “aye”
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Pip Torok: aye
Anna Toussaint: the chair votes aye
Anna Toussaint: as does the other chair 
Anna Toussaint: motion carries
Moonrise Azalee smiles
Pip Torok: have we covered Sudanes deletion?
Anna Toussaint: yes
Sudane Erato: so is that final result an actual covenant change?
Pip Torok: good .. just checking, Mme LRA
Anna Toussaint: the substitute motion had shep’s wording and Sudane’s amendfment
Anna Toussaint: yes
Sudane Erato: if so I will do that too… as well as fix the link
Anna Toussaint: kk
Moonrise Azalee: great
Anna Toussaint: sounds good
Anna Toussaint: thanks, Sudane
Pip Torok: one more hole plugged! 
Anna Toussaint: hehe
Anna Toussaint: Razzy? any news on the market?
Moonrise Azalee: no. I will bring it up for discussion in the Forum, but right now Oktoberfest is the focus and the Citizens Market conflicts. I did touch on it in the Amputate LA thread 
Anna Toussaint:  thanks
Anna Toussaint: Any commission reports?
Trebor Warcliffe: No just a short Executive Report
Anna Toussaint: Executive Report, Treb?
Trebor Warcliffe: Yes
Trebor Warcliffe: TY
Trebor Warcliffe: Razzy the issue you brought up earlier today is something I’ve actually began working on.
Moonrise Azalee nods
Trebor Warcliffe: The CDS is bringing in affiliate businesses with all revenue going to the CDS.
Trebor Warcliffe: Currently I have almost completed the set up of an official Alli & Ali Hair Affiliate business
Trebor Warcliffe: The CDS gets 25% on all sales
Trebor Warcliffe: I’ve set the business up on the first and second floors of 4 of the insula parcels
Moonrise Azalee: That’s wonderful.  I have only begun catching up on everything. but I did notice the Hair shop, fantastic.
Trebor Warcliffe: We have 366 Hair Vendors up and running
Anna Toussaint: how have sales been so far?
Trebor Warcliffe: Now I have to do the About Land description and marketplace advertsiing
Forum Wizard? Oh yeah! 

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Re: 15 Sept 2012 RA Transcript
by Patroklus Murakami » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:45 am
Trebor Warcliffe: So far 2 sales, I have not started promoting the store yet becyuase I want evcerything in place
Anna Toussaint: of course
Trebor Warcliffe: Oktoberfest
Trebor Warcliffe: We have a GREAT line up this year
Trebor Warcliffe: Our last confirmation is Noma Falta
Trebor Warcliffe: on the 27th at 1pm SLT
Trebor Warcliffe: I’ve had no one inquire about stalls in the mrketplace
Trebor Warcliffe: Please touch the Oktoberfest sign in the Kiosks for the latest Notecard for teh fest.
Trebor Warcliffe: Of course I’d love to see as many of our citizens as possible in attendance
Anna Toussaint: I recall that Lilith, I think, used to set up the market … am I wrong, Tor?
Trebor Warcliffe: Im done with my report, thank you.
Trebor Warcliffe: I have to leave for now, RL calls
Trebor Warcliffe: Take care all
Anna Toussaint: ok
Pip Torok: u2 treb
Moonrise Azalee: By treb
Anna Toussaint: any general announcements?
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Anna Toussaint: Calli?
Callipygian Christensen: I was away for just over a week and in the 9 days inclduing that time, up til today, there have been 48 forum registrations
Anna Toussaint: holy guacamole
Moonrise Azalee raises hand
Anna Toussaint: are you finished, Calli?
Pip Torok hopes that most were genuine
Callipygian Christensen: most of these are not valid ones, so I will be deleting a lot. If you know of someone who registered and has not been activated yet, have them IM me and include the name they used to register
Moonrise Azalee puts hands down -forum bots was my question
Anna Toussaint: ok
Callipygian Christensen: that way I can be sure not to delete anyone who actually is in CDS and wants to join.
Anna Toussaint: anything else?
Callipygian Christensen: second – there is an SC meeting tomorrrow morning – agenda posted in owrld and in forums
Callipygian Christensen: done
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Anna Toussaint: any other announcements?
Anna Toussaint: next RA meeting same time, same place two weeks hence? on the 29th?
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Anna Toussaint: Tor?
Tor Karlsvalt: Just want to say we have Noma Falta for 09/27 at 1 PM SLT
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Moonrise Azalee KNOWS she will be in attendance
Tor Karlsvalt: That is an addition to the Fest scheule
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Anna Toussaint: thanks
Anna Toussaint: next RA meeting?
Moonrise Azalee: AGreed
Pip Torok: agreed
Moonrise Azalee: same bat time, same bat place, 2 weeks
Anna Toussaint: is that during Oktobetrfest?
Anna Toussaint: 
Tor Karlsvalt: yes
Moonrise Azalee: yeppers
Tor Karlsvalt: best 1st week in Oct
Anna Toussaint: what is that date?
Moonrise Azalee: 29th
Anna Toussaint: no, the first week in Oct?
Tor Karlsvalt: 10/06
Anna Toussaint: no, it would be, like the 5th
Sudane Erato: sorry… must run… thx 
Tor Karlsvalt: Oct 1st is a monday
Pip Torok: bye sudane
Anna Toussaint: how about the first saturday in Oct, the 5th, same time, same place?
Callipygian Christensen: OH!
Moonrise Azalee: For our next RA meeting?
Pip Torok: fine by me
Callipygian Christensen raises her hand again
Anna Toussaint: reason being Oktoberfest
Anna Toussaint: Calli?
Tor Karlsvalt: Oct 5 is Friday
Anna Toussaint: ok the 6th then
Anna Toussaint: oops
Moonrise Azalee: Okay
Anna Toussaint: ok
Callipygian Christensen: little bit of early warning here re: the 18th RA
Pip Torok: “oops” ok too …
Callipygian Christensen: Qualification deadline to run for office : 12 noon SLT October 2 (census generated on this date by Sudane)
Qualification deadline for right to vote: 12 noon SLT October 12 (census generated on this date by Sudane)
Anna Toussaint: next meeting is octyober 6th
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Anna Toussaint: thanks Calli
Tor Karlsvalt looks for oops on the calendar.
Moonrise Azalee laughs
Anna Toussaint: so, it will be, like, our last meeting
Callipygian Christensen: no anna
Callipygian Christensen: elections are not until November
Anna Toussaint: oh, shit
Moonrise Azalee: LMAO
Tor Karlsvalt: 
Anna Toussaint: well, next meeting is Oct 6 9:30 SLT right here in river city
Anna Toussaint: motion to adjourn
Pip Torok crosses himself ….
Moonrise Azalee laughs
Pip Torok: seconded
Anna Toussaint: was that a motion
Moonrise Azalee: LOL
Anna Toussaint: or has Razzy turned into a vampire/
Anna Toussaint: all in favor
Moonrise Azalee giggles
Moonrise Azalee: Aye
Callipygian Christensen: RL calls
Pip Torok: aye
Anna Toussaint: say aye
Anna Toussaint: aye
Tor Karlsvalt: woot
Spider22997 Upshaw: aye
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Anna Toussaint: bye,everyone

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RA Meeting 10 November 2012

10th Nov meeting TRANSCRIPT ..
by Shep » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:01 pm
Please note as only two members were present we had no quorum and therefore this is not to be regarded as an official RA meeting .. but maybe interesting to read however 

[09:39] Soro Dagostino: Sorry all, RL calls.
[09:39] Callipygian Christensen: Hi Tan
[09:39] Razzy: Bye Soro
[09:39] Soro Dagostino: Have a good meeting.
[09:39] Razzy: Hello Tan
[09:39] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone waves
[09:39] Shep: Hi Tan
[09:39] Rosie Gray: hiya Tan
[09:40] Rosie Gray: bye Soro
[09:40] Tanoujin Milestone: Hello  Has the meeting started already?
[09:40] Soro Dagostino: Bye all . . .
[09:40] Shep: No Tan not really
[09:40] Razzy: We still need someone I believe.
[09:40] Shep: Byeeeee
[09:40] Callipygian Christensen: No idea – can’t imagine why anyone would return it, so he must have picked it up
[09:41] Rosie Gray: who picked up what Calli?
[09:41] Shep: Without a word seems odd
[09:41] Shep: Pats recorder
[09:41] Rosie Gray: oh Pat’s recorder
[09:42] Shep: We also have a small grey ball that says speak
[09:42] Tanoujin Milestone: Shep, I would like to ask the RA a tiny question about privacy protection on the forums – and leave it to you to place that where you see fit?
[09:42] Razzy: We still need a third person for the meeting
[09:42] Callipygian Christensen: well i see the Speak poseball still there
[09:43] Tanoujin Milestone: I know, i thought this would be okay to check before the meeting starts, Razzy
[09:43] Shep: We can’t ok anything .. but you can always ask a question
[09:43] Razzy: ah. of course
[09:43] RazzyRazzy smiles
[09:43] Shep: unofficially
[09:43] Tanoujin Milestone: always  ok, like… now?
[09:43] Tanoujin Milestone: do not know how busy you are 
[09:43] Callipygian Christensen: You could probably go ahead and ask now Tan – what moderation etc of the Forum there is is done by the SC
[09:43] Shep: yes go for it
[09:44] Tanoujin Milestone: ty
[09:45] Tanoujin Milestone: i have a database, containing parcel specifications and names… of the owners.. i thought of another update and forward it to the designatet chancellor… it came to my mind RA and SC could use that as welll, but not so sure about the privacy protection, it is calling names…. thoughts?
[09:45] Callipygian Christensen: I think parcel ownership is public knowledge
[09:46] Tanoujin Milestone: yes it is all inworld data
[09:46] Rosie Gray: I would think that it’s public knowledge, and so a document is no problem
[09:46] Tanoujin Milestone: nevertheless, it has implications
[09:46] Ranma Tardis: like?
[09:46] Tanoujin Milestone: like: You have only a shed at nfs, but i have 3 acres of land, etc
[09:47] Tanoujin Milestone: for example
[09:47] Shep: Why does that matter?
[09:47] Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen shrugs – people can establish that by checking about Land – so still common knowledge imo
[09:47] Tanoujin Milestone: if you see no problem, i will go ahead…
[09:47] Rosie Gray: I don’t think it matters… not like you are broadcasting to all of SL
[09:47] Tanoujin Milestone: covered. Thank you
[09:47] Razzy: I can’t see a negative implication
[09:48] Shep: I don’t see the neccessity?
[09:48] Tanoujin Milestone: Hippo sync, as always, along with an adress list – i have that data, but i would need to work on it to filter names
[09:49] Shep: What stands before you is a small govermment person .. Not I hasten to add in the american role
[09:49] Tanoujin Milestone: so, if you see no problem, it spares me work of layout and leaves me time to collect the data
[09:49] Razzy: so is this a way to sync hippos so that one maybe paid for all?
[09:50] Razzy: like – for an owner of different parcels?
[09:50] Shep: Absolutely no conflict in that being public
[09:50] Rosie Gray: I don’t think they can be configured that way Razzy
[09:50] Tanoujin Milestone: Razzy, it has to be done manually, and that needs data… thanks for the answers anyway
[09:51] Razzy: I was just wondering what you meant by a hippo sync.
[09:51] Tanoujin Milestone: it needs inworld data, you have to go and take a look
[09:51] Razzy: but either way, as said. seems to be fine.
[09:51] Tanoujin Milestone: oh, say, the hippo sign states :”for sale” but the parcels isn’t for sale on the about land, etc, etc
[09:51] Callipygian Christensen: I have a sugggestion, in two parts for the incoming RA, since you are all here 
[09:52] Shep: Ok .. seems the other three did’nt want to turn up .. Calli can I ask wheat happens about the election?
[09:52] Razzy: ahh. that would be great Tan!
[09:52] Callipygian Christensen: Shep, later this morning Ill be posting that all who ran are elected by acclamation
[09:53] Callipygian Christensen: Did any of them ask for 7 day votes?
[09:53] Shep: Ok .. I’m assuming dates remain unchanged?
[09:53] Shep: Nope
[09:53] Callipygian Christensen: Datesare consitutional, so no change *nod*
[09:54] Callipygian Christensen: Maybe they didnt see the notice..anyway..my suggestions are related to that
[09:54] Shep: Ok good thanks …
[09:54] Shep: ok please go ahead
[09:55] Callipygian Christensen: Since the time involved seems to be a concern, perhaps its time to designate that RA meets monthly, unles there is reason to call an unscheduled meeting – that is part 1..
[09:55] Callipygian Christensen: and part 2, perhaps deciding the dates of the whole terms meetings at the start would help RA members schedule and remember
[09:55] Shep: ok
[09:56] Razzy: like a 2nd or 3rd saturday of the month etc?
[09:56] Shep: Now that is a good idea
[09:56] Callipygian Christensen: On the election thing, once posted the 4 of you should establish a time for yur first meeting and let me know for the swearing in and liase with Tor about an Inaugural Ball
[09:57] Callipygian Christensen: Yes Razzy, or identify the specific dates (or both)
[09:57] RazzyRazzy nods
[09:57] Shep: At our first meeting we should do that .. so anyone with family or country dates not available .. please bring a list
[09:57] Callipygian Christensen: It would also assist citizens in knowing when they need to get info or prososals in
[09:57] Tanoujin Milestone: indeed 
[09:57] Ranma Tardis: ok
[09:58] Shep: Well anytime has’nt produced much
[09:59] Shep: But I’m sure all that is about to change 
[09:59] Tanoujin Milestone: I for one will adapt to those with RL obligations that is, I would carefully listen to Razzy regarding the dates. What you say Shep – it need preparation, I think – we cpould work between the meetings to draft some stuff
[10:00] Ranma Tardis: the entire 18th RA is here
[10:00] Shep: Yes it is
[10:00] Ranma Tardis: so what is our pleasure for meetings?
[10:00] Razzy: I think we need to wait until we are acutally the 18th RA dont we?
[10:00] Ranma Tardis: why?
[10:00] Rosie GrayRosie Gray grins
[10:01] Shep: Enofficially .. I would pick the first Sunday of the month
[10:01] Ranma Tardis: it is our meeting
[10:01] Tanoujin Milestone: I do not think so, Razzy, but you may want to sleep on it?
[10:01] Ranma Tardis: sunday is church for me
[10:02] Ranma Tardis: 8:30
[10:02] Ranma Tardis: saturday is better
[10:02] Razzy: I work Saturday mornings
[10:02] Razzy: Perhaps later in the day on Saturday
[10:02] Razzy: its 10am for me here right now and i start at 11
[10:03] Razzy: Shep is in UK and so needs a decent time
[10:03] Razzy: Time difference is always a pain, lol
[10:04] Razzy: My issue is, I have five kids here plus I do daycare, and so at a moments notice i suddenly am often not available.
[10:04] Razzy: that has been my problem this term also.
[10:04] Shep: Of all of you I have the easiest fit timewise
[10:05] Razzy: Weekends are especially busy with family, and weekdays im doing daycare. so often im only really online from 9:30pm SLT onwards.
[10:05] Ranma Tardis: saturday is good for me
[10:05] Ranma Tardis: plus sunday afternoon
[10:05] Tanoujin Milestone: Weekends including friday… 9:30 is ok for me
[10:06] Razzy: pm or am Tan?
[10:06] Tanoujin Milestone: uuuh, wait, let me calculate.. 
[10:07] Tanoujin Milestone: on saturday? would be okay
[10:07] Razzy: well, Saturday I am unavailable until about 4:00pm SLT normally. New job started last week. every saturday morning.
[10:07] Razzy: Sunday family is here from 3pm onward. til about 7pm
[10:07] Razzy: So, l dont know
[10:08] Shep: Thats midnight my time
[10:08] Razzy: right now I have to take off, i have to be out the door in twenty minutes and haven’t even been able to hit the shower yet. we’ll have to sort something out.
[10:08] Shep: But I’m usually around then
[10:08] Razzy: I know Shep – its not super fair to you
[10:09] Shep: Ok Razz
[10:09] Tanoujin Milestone: Razzy, I respect you have obligations… we will find a way..
[10:09] Shep: Hi Tor
[10:09] Razzy: im a virutal world night owl – im on SLT and mid day im only on sporadically.
[10:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Shep
[10:09] Shep: We;ll sort it hun
[10:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Everyone
[10:09] Ranma Tardis: hi
[10:09] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Tor
[10:09] Rosie Gray: don’t make yourself late Razzy!
[10:09] Shep: At least you want to help
[10:10] Razzy: k. So we can sort this out soon. as mentioned my most available times are 9:30pm SLT onward or Saturdays from 4pm onward…
[10:10] Razzy: k..
[10:10] Shep: ok
[10:10] Razzy: ttyl  off i go to clean a church for 4 hours, lol
[10:10] Ranma Tardis: 4 is ok for me
[10:10] Shep: enjoy
[10:10] Shep: Ok
[10:10] Tor Karlsvalt: We changing the time?
[10:10] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone shrugs…. that is 3 am on saturday… why not…
[10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: ouch
[10:11] Shep: Tor do you know what happened to Pat’s recorder?
[10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: well you will be up for sunrise
[10:11] Rosie Gray: The new RA is trying to find a time they can all attend
[10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[10:11] Shep: ok
[10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: could it have been returned when some pumkins were added
[10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: or a sign
[10:12] Ranma Tardis: other than a few hours on sunday am fine
[10:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Bears game.
[10:12] Tor Karlsvalt: hmmm
[10:12] Shep: brb
[10:13] Tor Karlsvalt: So what happened?
[10:14] Tanoujin Milestone: Tor? To the recorder?
[10:14] Tor Karlsvalt: I imagine that it got returned.
[10:14] Tor Karlsvalt: can’t that happen if a parcel gets too full?
[10:15] Tanoujin Milestone: anything can happen then, but i have heard it returns the “young” prims first
[10:15] Tanoujin Milestone: but – of course, that is done by a LL script, soooo
[10:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Well that was sort of young
[10:16] Tanoujin Milestone: the last you rezzed
[10:16] Shep: back
[10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: I see
[10:16] Tanoujin Milestone: wb, Shep
[10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: wb shep
[10:16] Shep: Thx
[10:16] Shep: Thx all lol
[10:16] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone notes we need a recorder
[10:16] Shep: again
[10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: We managed without the recorder before.
[10:17] Shep: that was not successful last time
[10:17] Tanoujin Milestone: just chathistory, right, fine with me
[10:17] Callipygian Christensen: I have had a freind create a recorder that allows multiple people to start and stop it
[10:17] Shep: Are you volunteering?
[10:17] Callipygian Christensen: Just havent had a chance to test it yet
[10:18] Ranma Tardis: one thing am traditional and would like to see at least some meetings in neuf
[10:18] Shep: Ooooh Calli would they sell one?
[10:18] Tanoujin Milestone: Whom do you ask, Shep? 
[10:18] Callipygian Christensen: Once I know it works, it will be what the SC uses
[10:18] Callipygian Christensen: Shep, that’s the general idea ..he’ll sell it once its working – we get it at a discount since he’s a friend, but he’s made it to my specs
[10:18] Shep: I was asking Tan as she mentioned being fine with it 
[10:19] Tanoujin Milestone: you need a new archivist? I can do the transcript, yes
[10:19] Shep: Ok .. do those specs include a long recording time?
[10:19] Tanoujin Milestone: other stuff i need a break in
[10:20] Callipygian Christensen: It e-mails to the person who started it recording, so time length in theory is unlimited – once it mails it frees up space for more iirc
[10:20] Shep: Ok then if yopu’d like the job its yours
[10:20] Shep: Providing I remain LRA lol
[10:20] Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe, this is another discussion 
[10:21] Shep: Yes for our first official meeting
[10:21] Tor Karlsvalt: Yup
[10:21] Ranma Tardis: have no objections
[10:21] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone takes the transcript job – prospectively
[10:21] Shep: Excellent
[10:21] Shep: Tor you’ll be holding the ball
[10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: Are we planning to go through the formality of an election this year? didn’t they have a “no” vote option last time?
[10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: oh yeah
[10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: Traditionally the outgoing Chancellor holds the ball
[10:22] Shep: Calliis posting about the situation
[10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: but I don’t mind.
[10:22] Shep: Oh right
[10:22] Shep: Where is the boy?
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: no idea.
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: I can make an invite up
[10:23] Shep: Oh hope alls well
[10:23] Callipygian Christensen: Tor – there wont be any polls placed – and the ‘no’ thing was something Pat wanted but it was never passed as a change to the election procedure
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: think is is shortly after the seating of the RA
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: ok Callie
[10:24] Shep: So can we call the first meeting for the 1st December
[10:24] Tor Karlsvalt: prolly that is good.
[10:24] Shep: Its a Saturday
[10:24] Tor Karlsvalt: We can all get sworn in.
[10:25] Shep: so tell me your preferred time
[10:25] Tor Karlsvalt: It will probably be a short meeting.
[10:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Ideally tho the LRA is elected.
[10:26] Shep: Calli if we have to swear Razzy in seperately will that be ok?
[10:26] Callipygian Christensen: brb
[10:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Delia
[10:26] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Delia
[10:26] Shep: Hi Delia
[10:26] Delia Lake: hi everyone 
[10:26] Tor Karlsvalt: she left, but I am sure that is ok
[10:26] Tanoujin Milestone: Any time is okay on that 1st of dec for me., i will be on vacation
[10:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I think one year it was done at the ball.
[10:27] Rosie Gray: I remember that too
[10:27] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, last time, right after the ball, before the term started
[10:27] Shep: The Chancellor gets done at the ball
[10:27] Ranma Tardis: me too and 1st is fine
[10:27] Tanoujin Milestone: Yep, 1st is fine
[10:27] Shep: lol
[10:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Well, we could have the ball that day too
[10:28] Shep: Tor what time is the ball usual;ly?
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: or is that too much?
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: oh noon
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: no later than 1
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: we could do 11
[10:28] Shep: T was on your wave length
[10:28] Shep: Brief meeting before the ball
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: has to be a good time for everyone or most everyone.
[10:28] Callipygian Christensen: back
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: sure
[10:29] Shep: wb
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: wb Callie
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Want to do the ball Saturday the 1st?
[10:29] Callipygian Christensen: Razzy can be sworn in whenever – just cant vote on anything until she is, so just let meknow when she is present for it
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: say 11-1
[10:29] Shep: So RA meeting 11.15 !st DEc
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt: we can do the ball the following week too
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt: might be less of a rush
[10:30] Shep: We stand a better chance for people if its the same day?
[10:31] Tanoujin Milestone: It is nice to have it at the same date
[10:31] Ranma Tardis: rl business
[10:31] Shep: ok Ran
[10:31] Tor Karlsvalt: ok the first it is
[10:31] Tor Karlsvalt: say at noon – 2
[10:31] Shep: Excellent
[10:31] Tor Karlsvalt: That will give you time for an RA meeting.
[10:32] Tor Karlsvalt: the to the ball.
[10:32] Tor Karlsvalt: just need a DJ
[10:32] Shep: Calli are you free in your other position on the 1st Dec?
[10:32] Tor KarlsvaltTor Karlsvalt makes a sideways glance at Callie.
[10:32] Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen laughs
[10:33] Shep: Stares straight at her 
[10:33] Callipygian Christensen: Right now I am yes – people havent started realizing that Dec is almost here to book things
[10:33] Tor Karlsvalt: ain’t it the truth
[10:33] Shep: Bats the ball top Tor
[10:34] Shep: Waits for him to say the words
[10:34] Tor Karlsvalt: oh sure
[10:34] Tor Karlsvalt: We will have the ball at noon Dec. 1st
[10:34] Callipygian Christensen: Well let me know once you track down Treb
[10:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Our own Callipygian Christensen as DJ. True really Treb should approve
[10:35] Shep: Calli will you please be our DJ ?
[10:35] Callipygian Christensen: If he can’t make it that day, it can still happen, but its usual for outgoing to say a few words etc isnt it?
[10:35] Tor Karlsvalt: yes it is
[10:35] Delia Lake: yes
[10:35] Tor Karlsvalt: makes it more legit I think
[10:35] Callipygian Christensen: /menods – Ill put it on the calendar so its reserved but a change is ok too if needed
[10:36] Tanoujin Milestone: thanks for posting it, Calli
[10:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we can work on a back up
[10:36] Callipygian Christensen: umm..no..I meant my personal booking calendar lol
[10:36] Shep: lol
[10:36] Callipygian Christensen: posting it officially will have to be someone else 
[10:36] Tor Karlsvalt: We can always have deutschrock.
[10:37] Shep: ???
[10:37] Tor Karlsvalt: oh sort of a joke.
[10:37] Ranma Tardis: need to go rl calls
[10:37] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[10:37] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone wonders what tor is talking about 
[10:37] Tor Karlsvalt: see you Ranma
[10:37] Shep: Ok Ran
[10:37] Callipygian Christensen: Rammstein I think lol
[10:37] Shep: see you 1st Dec
[10:37] Tanoujin Milestone: See you, Ranma
[10:38] Ranma Tardis: see you around
[10:38] Tor KarlsvaltTor Karlsvalt keeps silent but hopes Callie can DJ
[10:38] Shep: Well … any point in talking about InWorldz
[10:38] Rosie GrayRosie Gray hopes so too
[10:38] Callipygian Christensen: Since this is the last RA meeting – albeit inquorate, I’d like to thank Shep for her service this term and for standing again
[10:39] Rosie Gray: yay… thanks Shep!
[10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: hear hear
[10:39] Tanoujin Milestone: yes! Thank you, Shep 
[10:39] Shep: Blushes
[10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks Shep
[10:39] Shep: Well thank Soro .. I was’nt going to
[10:39] Tanoujin Milestone: InWorldz – yes, why not – any fun is welcome…. an embassy?
[10:39] Shep: I think he wants me busy lol
[10:40] Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe
[10:40] Callipygian Christensen: InWorldz discussion might be good for the Forum – but gie it it’s own topic heading so people notice it
[10:40] Delia Lake: yes, thank you Shep. and also thank you Tan and Tor for standing this next time as well
[10:40] Tor Karlsvalt: We will have to get Sorro to talk to a few other citizens maybe.
[10:40] Shep: You can try
[10:41] Callipygian Christensen: Also, at your first meeting, you might want to call a by-election so that the SC can start the process
[10:41] Shep: Yes
[10:41] Tor Karlsvalt: I am surprised there are so many grids.
[10:41] Callipygian Christensen: Delia, I think we need RA to request that?
[10:41] Shep: I’ve been wondering who I can guilt up
[10:41] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone listens carefully
[10:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Well seems we have an agenda item for the new RA then.
[10:42] Shep: Is Bags still a citizen?
[10:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I think she is.
[10:42] Tanoujin Milestone: I think she has a shop at the new insula
[10:42] Tanoujin Milestone: want me to chek?
[10:42] Shep: She was going to .. last I looked it was just gair
[10:43] Shep: hair
[10:43] Delia Lake: I think the RA should request it but a by-election would be almost automatic because the number of RA isn’t filled
[10:43] Tor Karlsvalt: I am not following the InWorlz discussion, but I remember Caledon experimented with a colony.
[10:43] Callipygian Christensen: When I post the acclamation today, I will point out that a census for running and voting will be occurring so that people should pay up and set land accordingly
[10:43] Tor Karlsvalt: good idea
[10:43] Delia Lake: good idea, Calli
[10:43] Shep: Thanks Calli
[10:44] Delia Lake: remind folks who still have land set to group only that they would have no voting citizenship by that
[10:44] Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen nods to Delia – I just don’t think we can really start the process until the RA exists without a filled seat
[10:44] Tor Karlsvalt: probably
[10:44] Shep: The idea I had was a colony for IWz .. theres a lot of sae access sims there
[10:44] Tor Karlsvalt: I will make a point to tell Ria
[10:45] Tanoujin Milestone: how many sims?
[10:45] Delia Lake: the by-election doesn’t get triggered until the new RA is all affirmed and under quota
[10:45] Shep: Have’nt thought that far
[10:45] Tanoujin Milestone: makes a lot of sense to me, Delia.
[10:45] Callipygian Christensen: Ria the Sign Queen, yes
[10:45] Rosie Gray: I kind of like that idea Shep
[10:45] Shep: depends on the interest
[10:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I think Des gave up on the idea, but I could be wrong. Also not sure where it was.
[10:45] Rosie Gray: does anyone here actually know Ria? I’ve never met her
[10:45] Delia Lake: btw, I saw Jon this morning. He is now starting his recovery from the RL US election
[10:46] Tor Karlsvalt: I think Naf knows here.
[10:46] Tor Karlsvalt: her
[10:46] Delia Lake: I do know Ria
[10:46] Callipygian Christensen: Delia – he was a big cheese in the NBC software!
[10:46] Rosie Gray: lol, that’s funny Delia
[10:46] Tor Karlsvalt: oh good
[10:46] Delia Lake: yes @ Calli
[10:46] Rosie Gray: aaah
[10:46] Tor Karlsvalt: wow, I was watcing MSNBC all the time
[10:46] Callipygian Christensen: He will be available for the by-election and also mentioned working on the software so that it is usable without him
[10:46] Tor Karlsvalt: he must have had something to do with that nifty campaign map they had.
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: that would be great
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: but would be even better if he was around too
[10:47] Delia Lake: Jon said that they had to do a complete update or results across the country on every issue every 30 min starting Tuesday. no sleep for days
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: wow
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: I bet it was exhausting but fun.
[10:47] Delia Lake: yes, I think so
[10:48] Rosie Gray: wow indeed!
[10:48] Tanoujin Milestone: To answer your question, Shep, Bags has the Locus Amoenus P.7b
[10:48] Shep: Btw as I did’nt call the meeting to order .. does anyone want it transcripted?
[10:49] Tor Karlsvalt: ok by me
[10:49] Shep: thanks Tan
[10:49] Callipygian Christensen: I dont think you have to Shep..no quorum, no meeting
[10:49] Delia Lake: yes actually as I missed the beginning discussion–computer crashes
[10:49] Shep: Sooo I might have a word with her
[10:50] Tanoujin Milestone: let us post it
[10:50] Delia Lake: only if there is something that would be of interest then.
[10:50] Shep: Calli what happens if we can only get one to stand
[10:50] Callipygian Christensen: then, as Jon put it, it’s a toally volunteer RA
[10:50] Tor Karlsvalt: sure, post it. You can mention it was a courtesy and not required.
[10:50] Tanoujin Milestone: k
[10:50] Tor Karlsvalt: haha, and thank you volunteers.
[10:51] Callipygian Christensen: if only one stands, they will be acclaimed in the same way all of you are
[10:51] Shep: Ok we will .. I’ll do it today Tan as you’re not onme of us yet 
[10:51] Tanoujin Milestone: very correct, Shep
[10:51] Shep: *one
[10:51] Rosie Gray: interesting… she had announced on the forum that she was leaving CDS
[10:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Really, why?
[10:51] Callipygian Christensen: Delia..I suggested monthly RA meetings with the schedule set from the very start of the term
[10:52] Tanoujin Milestone: Rosie, if you takl about Bags – i followed that, and I welcomed her when she came back
[10:52] Shep: And I thought it a god idea
[10:52] Tor Karlsvalt: you could do monthly if you have committees perhaps
[10:52] Shep: Good even
[10:52] Tor Karlsvalt: oh ok
[10:52] Rosie Gray: I didn’t know she had come back
[10:52] Rosie Gray: so that’s nice
[10:53] Tanoujin Milestone: she came back because the tone at the forums had changed
[10:53] Callipygian Christensen: Tor, for the amount of work there actually is in general, they could probably meet every other month with or without committees 
[10:53] Tor Karlsvalt: BTW, we have a new citizen, Widget Whiteberry
[10:53] Tanoujin Milestone: and I told her I am glad about it 
[10:53] Shep: Been back awhile .. but not seen her later and wondered if she went again like Dee did
[10:53] Tor Karlsvalt: she is running Virtually Speaking, an SL radio talk show from the Amphitheater in CN.
[10:54] Shep: About time it got some proper use
[10:54] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I am really excited about the show.
[10:55] Tor Karlsvalt: It has already had good traffic in CN
[10:55] Tor Karlsvalt: And brings in people interested in politics.
[10:55] Delia Lake: Virtually Speaking used to have a sim. I’ve been telling Widget for years that it was overkill and she and VS should move to the CDS. finally she did
[10:55] Rosie Gray: that’s really fantastic
[10:55] Tor Karlsvalt: I think it is an excellent fit
[10:55] Rosie Gray: just the partnership we should have here
[10:56] Shep: Yes exactly
[10:57] Tor Karlsvalt: I invite everyone to check out some of the shows.
[10:57] Delia Lake: there are other social issues as well as politics discussed on VS
[10:57] Delia Lake: all the shows are audio archived
[10:57] Callipygian Christensen: I told Widget I’ll watch for the non-political oes 
[10:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Well the last one was sort of a-political, more political science
[10:58] Callipygian Christensen: ok..there is a snow shovel calling my name
[10:58] Tor Karlsvalt: oh wow
[10:58] Tanoujin Milestone: i wouls trash it then, hehehe
[10:58] Callipygian Christensen: enjoy the day everyone..anc come listen to the blues tonight if you are of a mind to 
[10:58] Tor Karlsvalt: keep that away.
[10:59] Tor Karlsvalt: the snow I mean
[10:59] Tanoujin Milestone: oh, i missed the announcement… when is it?
[10:59] Rosie Gray: have fun shoveling Calli
[10:59] Shep: Good luck shifting the white stuff Calli
[10:59] Callipygian Christensen: it’s not in CDS, so no announcement here Tan
[10:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Yeha have fun.
[10:59] Tanoujin Milestone: ic
[10:59] Callipygian Christensen: I do blues at 7 on Saturdays, SL time
[10:59] Rosie Gray: you can join Calli’s group
[10:59] Rosie Gray: to get the announcements
[10:59] Tor Karlsvalt: So much of the country has already had big snow
[11:00] Tanoujin Milestone: k, Rosie, good to know
[11:00] Callipygian Christensen: ok..later all!
[11:00] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[11:00] Rosie Gray: I have to run too folks
[11:00] Rosie Gray: nice to see you all
[11:00] Tanoujin Milestone: and see you again 
[11:00] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[11:00] Tor Karlsvalt: tc Rosie
[11:00] Rosie Gray: see you Tan, Shep, tor
[11:00] Shep: Bye Rosie
[11:01] You have been added to the group.
[11:01] Tor Karlsvalt: things are going to be great
[11:02] Tor Karlsvalt: I just know it.
[11:02] Tanoujin Milestone:  sure, Tor
[11:02] Shep: Well I feel some enthusiasm
[11:02] Tanoujin Milestone: and I see work ahead, but i am not afraid… i think i need to see my doctor soon
[11:03] Tor Karlsvalt: oh
[11:03] Shep: Why?
[11:03] Tor Karlsvalt: I hope nothing serious.
[11:03] Tanoujin Milestone: work ahead, not afraid…. something wrong?
[11:03] Tor Karlsvalt: I hate doctors
[11:03] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[11:03] Shep: lol
[11:04] Tor Karlsvalt: well Tan, I think we have a good core
[11:04] Shep: Oooooooh a brain disorfer
[11:04] Tanoujin Milestone: ehehe
[11:04] Tor Karlsvalt: you shouldn’t have to do everything yourself
[11:04] Shep: disorder*
[11:04] Tanoujin Milestone: yeah
[11:04] Shep: Who?
[11:04] Tor Karlsvalt: let me know if I can do anything.
[11:05] Tor Karlsvalt: oh you are Tan
[11:05] Tanoujin Milestone: ah, Tor, btw… not doing everything yourself…. do you have the citizens’ database of Trebor?
[11:05] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[11:05] Tor Karlsvalt: i don’t think so
[11:05] Tanoujin Milestone: need one for sure?
[11:05] Tor Karlsvalt: unless he has it on google apps
[11:05] Shep: Who is doing everything alone?
[11:06] Tanoujin Milestone: Trebor did a lot on his own
[11:06] Tanoujin Milestone: to be frank
[11:06] Tor Karlsvalt: I think Shep sometimes one has a tenency to take too much responsibility on one’s sholders.
[11:06] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone nods
[11:06] Shep: Yes I know he did
[11:06] Tor Karlsvalt: One can burn out
[11:07] Tanoujin Milestone: esp at the exec
[11:07] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah it is a rough job
[11:07] Tanoujin Milestone: we will make it again  I will do my best not to cause drama, I promise
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: But one good thing is I don’t see any exodus of citizens like we experienced the last two times Chancellors changed
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Tan, you drama?
[11:08] Shep: Well he had a gew people did’nt like him
[11:08] Shep: few
[11:08] Tanoujin Milestone: Sometimes, Tor…
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: oh prolly
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: but nobody left
[11:08] Shep: which is a shame because he’s a sweetheart
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: grumble maybe.
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: he was working way hard
[11:09] Tanoujin Milestone: Yes, that is true
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Trying to bring traffic in
[11:09] Shep: Did you get his humour? very british lol
[11:09] Tanoujin Milestone: Tor, will you have him as a treasurere assistant?
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: and really, all of us pay less tier cuz of him
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, sure
[11:09] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, thats good
[11:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Treb, maybe. he liked that sarcasm.
[11:10] Tor Karlsvalt: hey Soro
[11:10] Tanoujin Milestone: Soro 
[11:10] Soro Dagostino: Hello all.
[11:10] Soro Dagostino: Hello my lady.
[11:11] Shep: ooooh hello my love
[11:11] Soro Dagostino: Did anyone find the recorder?
[11:11] Shep: No so I have to find my history
[11:12] Tanoujin Milestone: no, I guess we will take a new one – Calli is about to test one for SC
[11:12] Shep: I hope I have it … this is my new computer :O
[11:12] Tanoujin Milestone: new hardware? Congrats….
[11:12] Shep: lol thanks
[11:12] Tanoujin Milestone: chatwindow not good enough?
[11:13] Soro Dagostino: Aren’t they in the Forums?
[11:13] Shep: My old one was broken
[11:13] Tor Karlsvalt: I wonder if I should hook a mac mini up to my TV
[11:13] Tor Karlsvalt: have SL on a 55inch TV[09:39] Soro Dagostino: Sorry all, RL calls.
[09:39] Callipygian Christensen: Hi Tan
[09:39] Razzy: Bye Soro
[09:39] Soro Dagostino: Have a good meeting.
[09:39] Razzy: Hello Tan
[09:39] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone waves
[09:39] Shep: Hi Tan
[09:39] Rosie Gray: hiya Tan
[09:40] Rosie Gray: bye Soro
[09:40] Tanoujin Milestone: Hello  Has the meeting started already?
[09:40] Soro Dagostino: Bye all . . .
[09:40] Shep: No Tan not really
[09:40] Razzy: We still need someone I believe.
[09:40] Shep: Byeeeee
[09:40] Callipygian Christensen: No idea – can’t imagine why anyone would return it, so he must have picked it up
[09:41] Rosie Gray: who picked up what Calli?
[09:41] Shep: Without a word seems odd
[09:41] Shep: Pats recorder
[09:41] Rosie Gray: oh Pat’s recorder
[09:42] Shep: We also have a small grey ball that says speak
[09:42] Tanoujin Milestone: Shep, I would like to ask the RA a tiny question about privacy protection on the forums – and leave it to you to place that where you see fit?
[09:42] Razzy: We still need a third person for the meeting
[09:42] Callipygian Christensen: well i see the Speak poseball still there
[09:43] Tanoujin Milestone: I know, i thought this would be okay to check before the meeting starts, Razzy
[09:43] Shep: We can’t ok anything .. but you can always ask a question
[09:43] Razzy: ah. of course
[09:43] RazzyRazzy smiles
[09:43] Shep: unofficially
[09:43] Tanoujin Milestone: always  ok, like… now?
[09:43] Tanoujin Milestone: do not know how busy you are 
[09:43] Callipygian Christensen: You could probably go ahead and ask now Tan – what moderation etc of the Forum there is is done by the SC
[09:43] Shep: yes go for it
[09:44] Tanoujin Milestone: ty
[09:45] Tanoujin Milestone: i have a database, containing parcel specifications and names… of the owners.. i thought of another update and forward it to the designatet chancellor… it came to my mind RA and SC could use that as welll, but not so sure about the privacy protection, it is calling names…. thoughts?
[09:45] Callipygian Christensen: I think parcel ownership is public knowledge
[09:46] Tanoujin Milestone: yes it is all inworld data
[09:46] Rosie Gray: I would think that it’s public knowledge, and so a document is no problem
[09:46] Tanoujin Milestone: nevertheless, it has implications
[09:46] Ranma Tardis: like?
[09:46] Tanoujin Milestone: like: You have only a shed at nfs, but i have 3 acres of land, etc
[09:47] Tanoujin Milestone: for example
[09:47] Shep: Why does that matter?
[09:47] Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen shrugs – people can establish that by checking about Land – so still common knowledge imo
[09:47] Tanoujin Milestone: if you see no problem, i will go ahead…
[09:47] Rosie Gray: I don’t think it matters… not like you are broadcasting to all of SL
[09:47] Tanoujin Milestone: covered. Thank you
[09:47] Razzy: I can’t see a negative implication
[09:48] Shep: I don’t see the neccessity?
[09:48] Tanoujin Milestone: Hippo sync, as always, along with an adress list – i have that data, but i would need to work on it to filter names
[09:49] Shep: What stands before you is a small govermment person .. Not I hasten to add in the american role
[09:49] Tanoujin Milestone: so, if you see no problem, it spares me work of layout and leaves me time to collect the data
[09:49] Razzy: so is this a way to sync hippos so that one maybe paid for all?
[09:50] Razzy: like – for an owner of different parcels?
[09:50] Shep: Absolutely no conflict in that being public
[09:50] Rosie Gray: I don’t think they can be configured that way Razzy
[09:50] Tanoujin Milestone: Razzy, it has to be done manually, and that needs data… thanks for the answers anyway
[09:51] Razzy: I was just wondering what you meant by a hippo sync.
[09:51] Tanoujin Milestone: it needs inworld data, you have to go and take a look
[09:51] Razzy: but either way, as said. seems to be fine.
[09:51] Tanoujin Milestone: oh, say, the hippo sign states :”for sale” but the parcels isn’t for sale on the about land, etc, etc
[09:51] Callipygian Christensen: I have a sugggestion, in two parts for the incoming RA, since you are all here 
[09:52] Shep: Ok .. seems the other three did’nt want to turn up .. Calli can I ask wheat happens about the election?
[09:52] Razzy: ahh. that would be great Tan!
[09:52] Callipygian Christensen: Shep, later this morning Ill be posting that all who ran are elected by acclamation
[09:53] Callipygian Christensen: Did any of them ask for 7 day votes?
[09:53] Shep: Ok .. I’m assuming dates remain unchanged?
[09:53] Shep: Nope
[09:53] Callipygian Christensen: Datesare consitutional, so no change *nod*
[09:54] Callipygian Christensen: Maybe they didnt see the notice..anyway..my suggestions are related to that
[09:54] Shep: Ok good thanks …
[09:54] Shep: ok please go ahead
[09:55] Callipygian Christensen: Since the time involved seems to be a concern, perhaps its time to designate that RA meets monthly, unles there is reason to call an unscheduled meeting – that is part 1..
[09:55] Callipygian Christensen: and part 2, perhaps deciding the dates of the whole terms meetings at the start would help RA members schedule and remember
[09:55] Shep: ok
[09:56] Razzy: like a 2nd or 3rd saturday of the month etc?
[09:56] Shep: Now that is a good idea
[09:56] Callipygian Christensen: On the election thing, once posted the 4 of you should establish a time for yur first meeting and let me know for the swearing in and liase with Tor about an Inaugural Ball
[09:57] Callipygian Christensen: Yes Razzy, or identify the specific dates (or both)
[09:57] RazzyRazzy nods
[09:57] Shep: At our first meeting we should do that .. so anyone with family or country dates not available .. please bring a list
[09:57] Callipygian Christensen: It would also assist citizens in knowing when they need to get info or prososals in
[09:57] Tanoujin Milestone: indeed 
[09:57] Ranma Tardis: ok
[09:58] Shep: Well anytime has’nt produced much
[09:59] Shep: But I’m sure all that is about to change 
[09:59] Tanoujin Milestone: I for one will adapt to those with RL obligations that is, I would carefully listen to Razzy regarding the dates. What you say Shep – it need preparation, I think – we cpould work between the meetings to draft some stuff
[10:00] Ranma Tardis: the entire 18th RA is here
[10:00] Shep: Yes it is
[10:00] Ranma Tardis: so what is our pleasure for meetings?
[10:00] Razzy: I think we need to wait until we are acutally the 18th RA dont we?
[10:00] Ranma Tardis: why?
[10:00] Rosie GrayRosie Gray grins
[10:01] Shep: Enofficially .. I would pick the first Sunday of the month
[10:01] Ranma Tardis: it is our meeting
[10:01] Tanoujin Milestone: I do not think so, Razzy, but you may want to sleep on it?
[10:01] Ranma Tardis: sunday is church for me
[10:02] Ranma Tardis: 8:30
[10:02] Ranma Tardis: saturday is better
[10:02] Razzy: I work Saturday mornings
[10:02] Razzy: Perhaps later in the day on Saturday
[10:02] Razzy: its 10am for me here right now and i start at 11
[10:03] Razzy: Shep is in UK and so needs a decent time
[10:03] Razzy: Time difference is always a pain, lol
[10:04] Razzy: My issue is, I have five kids here plus I do daycare, and so at a moments notice i suddenly am often not available.
[10:04] Razzy: that has been my problem this term also.
[10:04] Shep: Of all of you I have the easiest fit timewise
[10:05] Razzy: Weekends are especially busy with family, and weekdays im doing daycare. so often im only really online from 9:30pm SLT onwards.
[10:05] Ranma Tardis: saturday is good for me
[10:05] Ranma Tardis: plus sunday afternoon
[10:05] Tanoujin Milestone: Weekends including friday… 9:30 is ok for me
[10:06] Razzy: pm or am Tan?
[10:06] Tanoujin Milestone: uuuh, wait, let me calculate.. 
[10:07] Tanoujin Milestone: on saturday? would be okay
[10:07] Razzy: well, Saturday I am unavailable until about 4:00pm SLT normally. New job started last week. every saturday morning.
[10:07] Razzy: Sunday family is here from 3pm onward. til about 7pm
[10:07] Razzy: So, l dont know
[10:08] Shep: Thats midnight my time
[10:08] Razzy: right now I have to take off, i have to be out the door in twenty minutes and haven’t even been able to hit the shower yet. we’ll have to sort something out.
[10:08] Shep: But I’m usually around then
[10:08] Razzy: I know Shep – its not super fair to you
[10:09] Shep: Ok Razz
[10:09] Tanoujin Milestone: Razzy, I respect you have obligations… we will find a way..
[10:09] Shep: Hi Tor
[10:09] Razzy: im a virutal world night owl – im on SLT and mid day im only on sporadically.
[10:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Shep
[10:09] Shep: We;ll sort it hun
[10:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Everyone
[10:09] Ranma Tardis: hi
[10:09] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Tor
[10:09] Rosie Gray: don’t make yourself late Razzy!
[10:09] Shep: At least you want to help
[10:10] Razzy: k. So we can sort this out soon. as mentioned my most available times are 9:30pm SLT onward or Saturdays from 4pm onward…
[10:10] Razzy: k..
I am not a sheep … I am the Shepherdess .. An it harm none .. so mote it be ..

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Re: 10th Nov meeting TRANSCRIPT ..
by Shep » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:06 pm
Part two of the 10th Nov meeting ..

[10:10] Shep: ok
[10:10] Razzy: ttyl  off i go to clean a church for 4 hours, lol
[10:10] Ranma Tardis: 4 is ok for me
[10:10] Shep: enjoy
[10:10] Shep: Ok
[10:10] Tor Karlsvalt: We changing the time?
[10:10] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone shrugs…. that is 3 am on saturday… why not…
[10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: ouch
[10:11] Shep: Tor do you know what happened to Pat’s recorder?
[10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: well you will be up for sunrise
[10:11] Rosie Gray: The new RA is trying to find a time they can all attend
[10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[10:11] Shep: ok
[10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: could it have been returned when some pumkins were added
[10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: or a sign
[10:12] Ranma Tardis: other than a few hours on sunday am fine
[10:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Bears game.
[10:12] Tor Karlsvalt: hmmm
[10:12] Shep: brb
[10:13] Tor Karlsvalt: So what happened?
[10:14] Tanoujin Milestone: Tor? To the recorder?
[10:14] Tor Karlsvalt: I imagine that it got returned.
[10:14] Tor Karlsvalt: can’t that happen if a parcel gets too full?
[10:15] Tanoujin Milestone: anything can happen then, but i have heard it returns the “young” prims first
[10:15] Tanoujin Milestone: but – of course, that is done by a LL script, soooo
[10:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Well that was sort of young
[10:16] Tanoujin Milestone: the last you rezzed
[10:16] Shep: back
[10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: I see
[10:16] Tanoujin Milestone: wb, Shep
[10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: wb shep
[10:16] Shep: Thx
[10:16] Shep: Thx all lol
[10:16] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone notes we need a recorder
[10:16] Shep: again
[10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: We managed without the recorder before.
[10:17] Shep: that was not successful last time
[10:17] Tanoujin Milestone: just chathistory, right, fine with me
[10:17] Callipygian Christensen: I have had a freind create a recorder that allows multiple people to start and stop it
[10:17] Shep: Are you volunteering?
[10:17] Callipygian Christensen: Just havent had a chance to test it yet
[10:18] Ranma Tardis: one thing am traditional and would like to see at least some meetings in neuf
[10:18] Shep: Ooooh Calli would they sell one?
[10:18] Tanoujin Milestone: Whom do you ask, Shep? 
[10:18] Callipygian Christensen: Once I know it works, it will be what the SC uses
[10:18] Callipygian Christensen: Shep, that’s the general idea ..he’ll sell it once its working – we get it at a discount since he’s a friend, but he’s made it to my specs
[10:18] Shep: I was asking Tan as she mentioned being fine with it 
[10:19] Tanoujin Milestone: you need a new archivist? I can do the transcript, yes
[10:19] Shep: Ok .. do those specs include a long recording time?
[10:19] Tanoujin Milestone: other stuff i need a break in
[10:20] Callipygian Christensen: It e-mails to the person who started it recording, so time length in theory is unlimited – once it mails it frees up space for more iirc
[10:20] Shep: Ok then if yopu’d like the job its yours
[10:20] Shep: Providing I remain LRA lol
[10:20] Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe, this is another discussion 
[10:21] Shep: Yes for our first official meeting
[10:21] Tor Karlsvalt: Yup
[10:21] Ranma Tardis: have no objections
[10:21] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone takes the transcript job – prospectively
[10:21] Shep: Excellent
[10:21] Shep: Tor you’ll be holding the ball
[10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: Are we planning to go through the formality of an election this year? didn’t they have a “no” vote option last time?
[10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: oh yeah
[10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: Traditionally the outgoing Chancellor holds the ball
[10:22] Shep: Calliis posting about the situation
[10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: but I don’t mind.
[10:22] Shep: Oh right
[10:22] Shep: Where is the boy?
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: no idea.
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: I can make an invite up
[10:23] Shep: Oh hope alls well
[10:23] Callipygian Christensen: Tor – there wont be any polls placed – and the ‘no’ thing was something Pat wanted but it was never passed as a change to the election procedure
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: think is is shortly after the seating of the RA
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: ok Callie
[10:24] Shep: So can we call the first meeting for the 1st December
[10:24] Tor Karlsvalt: prolly that is good.
[10:24] Shep: Its a Saturday
[10:24] Tor Karlsvalt: We can all get sworn in.
[10:25] Shep: so tell me your preferred time
[10:25] Tor Karlsvalt: It will probably be a short meeting.
[10:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Ideally tho the LRA is elected.
[10:26] Shep: Calli if we have to swear Razzy in seperately will that be ok?
[10:26] Callipygian Christensen: brb
[10:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Delia
[10:26] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Delia
[10:26] Shep: Hi Delia
[10:26] Delia Lake: hi everyone 
[10:26] Tor Karlsvalt: she left, but I am sure that is ok
[10:26] Tanoujin Milestone: Any time is okay on that 1st of dec for me., i will be on vacation
[10:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I think one year it was done at the ball.
[10:27] Rosie Gray: I remember that too
[10:27] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, last time, right after the ball, before the term started
[10:27] Shep: The Chancellor gets done at the ball
[10:27] Ranma Tardis: me too and 1st is fine
[10:27] Tanoujin Milestone: Yep, 1st is fine
[10:27] Shep: lol
[10:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Well, we could have the ball that day too
[10:28] Shep: Tor what time is the ball usual;ly?
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: or is that too much?
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: oh noon
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: no later than 1
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: we could do 11
[10:28] Shep: T was on your wave length
[10:28] Shep: Brief meeting before the ball
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: has to be a good time for everyone or most everyone.
[10:28] Callipygian Christensen: back
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: sure
[10:29] Shep: wb
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: wb Callie
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Want to do the ball Saturday the 1st?
[10:29] Callipygian Christensen: Razzy can be sworn in whenever – just cant vote on anything until she is, so just let meknow when she is present for it
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: say 11-1
[10:29] Shep: So RA meeting 11.15 !st DEc
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt: we can do the ball the following week too
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt: might be less of a rush
[10:30] Shep: We stand a better chance for people if its the same day?
[10:31] Tanoujin Milestone: It is nice to have it at the same date
[10:31] Ranma Tardis: rl business
[10:31] Shep: ok Ran
[10:31] Tor Karlsvalt: ok the first it is
[10:31] Tor Karlsvalt: say at noon – 2
[10:31] Shep: Excellent
[10:31] Tor Karlsvalt: That will give you time for an RA meeting.
[10:32] Tor Karlsvalt: the to the ball.
[10:32] Tor Karlsvalt: just need a DJ
[10:32] Shep: Calli are you free in your other position on the 1st Dec?
[10:32] Tor KarlsvaltTor Karlsvalt makes a sideways glance at Callie.
[10:32] Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen laughs
[10:33] Shep: Stares straight at her 
[10:33] Callipygian Christensen: Right now I am yes – people havent started realizing that Dec is almost here to book things
[10:33] Tor Karlsvalt: ain’t it the truth
[10:33] Shep: Bats the ball top Tor
[10:34] Shep: Waits for him to say the words
[10:34] Tor Karlsvalt: oh sure
[10:34] Tor Karlsvalt: We will have the ball at noon Dec. 1st
[10:34] Callipygian Christensen: Well let me know once you track down Treb
[10:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Our own Callipygian Christensen as DJ. True really Treb should approve
[10:35] Shep: Calli will you please be our DJ ?
[10:35] Callipygian Christensen: If he can’t make it that day, it can still happen, but its usual for outgoing to say a few words etc isnt it?
[10:35] Tor Karlsvalt: yes it is
[10:35] Delia Lake: yes
[10:35] Tor Karlsvalt: makes it more legit I think
[10:35] Callipygian Christensen: /menods – Ill put it on the calendar so its reserved but a change is ok too if needed
[10:36] Tanoujin Milestone: thanks for posting it, Calli
[10:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we can work on a back up
[10:36] Callipygian Christensen: umm..no..I meant my personal booking calendar lol
[10:36] Shep: lol
[10:36] Callipygian Christensen: posting it officially will have to be someone else 
[10:36] Tor Karlsvalt: We can always have deutschrock.
[10:37] Shep: ???
[10:37] Tor Karlsvalt: oh sort of a joke.
[10:37] Ranma Tardis: need to go rl calls
[10:37] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[10:37] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone wonders what tor is talking about 
[10:37] Tor Karlsvalt: see you Ranma
[10:37] Shep: Ok Ran
[10:37] Callipygian Christensen: Rammstein I think lol
[10:37] Shep: see you 1st Dec
[10:37] Tanoujin Milestone: See you, Ranma
[10:38] Ranma Tardis: see you around
[10:38] Tor KarlsvaltTor Karlsvalt keeps silent but hopes Callie can DJ
[10:38] Shep: Well … any point in talking about InWorldz
[10:38] Rosie GrayRosie Gray hopes so too
[10:38] Callipygian Christensen: Since this is the last RA meeting – albeit inquorate, I’d like to thank Shep for her service this term and for standing again
[10:39] Rosie Gray: yay… thanks Shep!
[10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: hear hear
[10:39] Tanoujin Milestone: yes! Thank you, Shep 
[10:39] Shep: Blushes
[10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks Shep
[10:39] Shep: Well thank Soro .. I was’nt going to
[10:39] Tanoujin Milestone: InWorldz – yes, why not – any fun is welcome…. an embassy?
[10:39] Shep: I think he wants me busy lol
[10:40] Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe
[10:40] Callipygian Christensen: InWorldz discussion might be good for the Forum – but gie it it’s own topic heading so people notice it
[10:40] Delia Lake: yes, thank you Shep. and also thank you Tan and Tor for standing this next time as well
[10:40] Tor Karlsvalt: We will have to get Sorro to talk to a few other citizens maybe.
[10:40] Shep: You can try
[10:41] Callipygian Christensen: Also, at your first meeting, you might want to call a by-election so that the SC can start the process
[10:41] Shep: Yes
[10:41] Tor Karlsvalt: I am surprised there are so many grids.
[10:41] Callipygian Christensen: Delia, I think we need RA to request that?
[10:41] Shep: I’ve been wondering who I can guilt up
[10:41] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone listens carefully
[10:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Well seems we have an agenda item for the new RA then.
[10:42] Shep: Is Bags still a citizen?
[10:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I think she is.
[10:42] Tanoujin Milestone: I think she has a shop at the new insula
[10:42] Tanoujin Milestone: want me to chek?
[10:42] Shep: She was going to .. last I looked it was just gair
[10:43] Shep: hair
[10:43] Delia Lake: I think the RA should request it but a by-election would be almost automatic because the number of RA isn’t filled
[10:43] Tor Karlsvalt: I am not following the InWorlz discussion, but I remember Caledon experimented with a colony.
[10:43] Callipygian Christensen: When I post the acclamation today, I will point out that a census for running and voting will be occurring so that people should pay up and set land accordingly
[10:43] Tor Karlsvalt: good idea
[10:43] Delia Lake: good idea, Calli
[10:43] Shep: Thanks Calli
[10:44] Delia Lake: remind folks who still have land set to group only that they would have no voting citizenship by that
[10:44] Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen nods to Delia – I just don’t think we can really start the process until the RA exists without a filled seat
[10:44] Tor Karlsvalt: probably
[10:44] Shep: The idea I had was a colony for IWz .. theres a lot of sae access sims there
[10:44] Tor Karlsvalt: I will make a point to tell Ria
[10:45] Tanoujin Milestone: how many sims?
[10:45] Delia Lake: the by-election doesn’t get triggered until the new RA is all affirmed and under quota
[10:45] Shep: Have’nt thought that far
[10:45] Tanoujin Milestone: makes a lot of sense to me, Delia.
[10:45] Callipygian Christensen: Ria the Sign Queen, yes
[10:45] Rosie Gray: I kind of like that idea Shep
[10:45] Shep: depends on the interest
[10:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I think Des gave up on the idea, but I could be wrong. Also not sure where it was.
[10:45] Rosie Gray: does anyone here actually know Ria? I’ve never met her
[10:45] Delia Lake: btw, I saw Jon this morning. He is now starting his recovery from the RL US election
[10:46] Tor Karlsvalt: I think Naf knows here.
[10:46] Tor Karlsvalt: her
[10:46] Delia Lake: I do know Ria
[10:46] Callipygian Christensen: Delia – he was a big cheese in the NBC software!
[10:46] Rosie Gray: lol, that’s funny Delia
[10:46] Tor Karlsvalt: oh good
[10:46] Delia Lake: yes @ Calli
[10:46] Rosie Gray: aaah
[10:46] Tor Karlsvalt: wow, I was watcing MSNBC all the time
[10:46] Callipygian Christensen: He will be available for the by-election and also mentioned working on the software so that it is usable without him
[10:46] Tor Karlsvalt: he must have had something to do with that nifty campaign map they had.
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: that would be great
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: but would be even better if he was around too
[10:47] Delia Lake: Jon said that they had to do a complete update or results across the country on every issue every 30 min starting Tuesday. no sleep for days
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: wow
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: I bet it was exhausting but fun.
[10:47] Delia Lake: yes, I think so
[10:48] Rosie Gray: wow indeed!
[10:48] Tanoujin Milestone: To answer your question, Shep, Bags has the Locus Amoenus P.7b
[10:48] Shep: Btw as I did’nt call the meeting to order .. does anyone want it transcripted?
[10:49] Tor Karlsvalt: ok by me
[10:49] Shep: thanks Tan
[10:49] Callipygian Christensen: I dont think you have to Shep..no quorum, no meeting
[10:49] Delia Lake: yes actually as I missed the beginning discussion–computer crashes
[10:49] Shep: Sooo I might have a word with her
[10:50] Tanoujin Milestone: let us post it
[10:50] Delia Lake: only if there is something that would be of interest then.
[10:50] Shep: Calli what happens if we can only get one to stand
[10:50] Callipygian Christensen: then, as Jon put it, it’s a toally volunteer RA
[10:50] Tor Karlsvalt: sure, post it. You can mention it was a courtesy and not required.
[10:50] Tanoujin Milestone: k
[10:50] Tor Karlsvalt: haha, and thank you volunteers.
[10:51] Callipygian Christensen: if only one stands, they will be acclaimed in the same way all of you are
[10:51] Shep: Ok we will .. I’ll do it today Tan as you’re not onme of us yet 
[10:51] Tanoujin Milestone: very correct, Shep
[10:51] Shep: *one
[10:51] Rosie Gray: interesting… she had announced on the forum that she was leaving CDS
[10:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Really, why?
[10:51] Callipygian Christensen: Delia..I suggested monthly RA meetings with the schedule set from the very start of the term
[10:52] Tanoujin Milestone: Rosie, if you takl about Bags – i followed that, and I welcomed her when she came back
[10:52] Shep: And I thought it a god idea
[10:52] Tor Karlsvalt: you could do monthly if you have committees perhaps
[10:52] Shep: Good even
[10:52] Tor Karlsvalt: oh ok
[10:52] Rosie Gray: I didn’t know she had come back
[10:52] Rosie Gray: so that’s nice
[10:53] Tanoujin Milestone: she came back because the tone at the forums had changed
[10:53] Callipygian Christensen: Tor, for the amount of work there actually is in general, they could probably meet every other month with or without committees 
[10:53] Tor Karlsvalt: BTW, we have a new citizen, Widget Whiteberry
[10:53] Tanoujin Milestone: and I told her I am glad about it 
[10:53] Shep: Been back awhile .. but not seen her later and wondered if she went again like Dee did
[10:53] Tor Karlsvalt: she is running Virtually Speaking, an SL radio talk show from the Amphitheater in CN.
[10:54] Shep: About time it got some proper use
[10:54] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I am really excited about the show.
[10:55] Tor Karlsvalt: It has already had good traffic in CN
[10:55] Tor Karlsvalt: And brings in people interested in politics.
[10:55] Delia Lake: Virtually Speaking used to have a sim. I’ve been telling Widget for years that it was overkill and she and VS should move to the CDS. finally she did
[10:55] Rosie Gray: that’s really fantastic
[10:55] Tor Karlsvalt: I think it is an excellent fit
[10:55] Rosie Gray: just the partnership we should have here
[10:56] Shep: Yes exactly
[10:57] Tor Karlsvalt: I invite everyone to check out some of the shows.
[10:57] Delia Lake: there are other social issues as well as politics discussed on VS
[10:57] Delia Lake: all the shows are audio archived
[10:57] Callipygian Christensen: I told Widget I’ll watch for the non-political oes 

[10:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Well the last one was sort of a-political, more political science
[10:58] Callipygian Christensen: ok..there is a snow shovel calling my name
[10:58] Tor Karlsvalt: oh wow
[10:58] Tanoujin Milestone: i wouls trash it then, hehehe
[10:58] Callipygian Christensen: enjoy the day everyone..anc come listen to the blues tonight if you are of a mind to 
[10:58] Tor Karlsvalt: keep that away.
[10:59] Tor Karlsvalt: the snow I mean
[10:59] Tanoujin Milestone: oh, i missed the announcement… when is it?
[10:59] Rosie Gray: have fun shoveling Calli
[10:59] Shep: Good luck shifting the white stuff Calli
[10:59] Callipygian Christensen: it’s not in CDS, so no announcement here Tan
[10:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Yeha have fun.
[10:59] Tanoujin Milestone: ic
[10:59] Callipygian Christensen: I do blues at 7 on Saturdays, SL time
[10:59] Rosie Gray: you can join Calli’s group
[10:59] Rosie Gray: to get the announcements
[10:59] Tor Karlsvalt: So much of the country has already had big snow
[11:00] Tanoujin Milestone: k, Rosie, good to know
[11:00] Callipygian Christensen: ok..later all!
[11:00] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[11:00] Rosie Gray: I have to run too folks
[11:00] Rosie Gray: nice to see you all
[11:00] Tanoujin Milestone: and see you again 
[11:00] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[11:00] Tor Karlsvalt: tc Rosie
[11:00] Rosie Gray: see you Tan, Shep, tor
[11:00] Shep: Bye Rosie
[11:01] You have been added to the group.
[11:01] Tor Karlsvalt: things are going to be great
[11:02] Tor Karlsvalt: I just know it.
[11:02] Tanoujin Milestone:  sure, Tor
[11:02] Shep: Well I feel some enthusiasm
[11:02] Tanoujin Milestone: and I see work ahead, but i am not afraid… i think i need to see my doctor soon
[11:03] Tor Karlsvalt: oh
[11:03] Shep: Why?
[11:03] Tor Karlsvalt: I hope nothing serious.
[11:03] Tanoujin Milestone: work ahead, not afraid…. something wrong?
[11:03] Tor Karlsvalt: I hate doctors
[11:03] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[11:03] Shep: lol
[11:04] Tor Karlsvalt: well Tan, I think we have a good core
[11:04] Shep: Oooooooh a brain disorfer
[11:04] Tanoujin Milestone: ehehe
[11:04] Tor Karlsvalt: you shouldn’t have to do everything yourself
[11:04] Shep: disorder*
[11:04] Tanoujin Milestone: yeah
[11:04] Shep: Who?
[11:04] Tor Karlsvalt: let me know if I can do anything.
[11:05] Tor Karlsvalt: oh you are Tan
[11:05] Tanoujin Milestone: ah, Tor, btw… not doing everything yourself…. do you have the citizens’ database of Trebor?
[11:05] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[11:05] Tor Karlsvalt: i don’t think so
[11:05] Tanoujin Milestone: need one for sure?
[11:05] Tor Karlsvalt: unless he has it on google apps
[11:05] Shep: Who is doing everything alone?
[11:06] Tanoujin Milestone: Trebor did a lot on his own
[11:06] Tanoujin Milestone: to be frank
[11:06] Tor Karlsvalt: I think Shep sometimes one has a tenency to take too much responsibility on one’s sholders.
[11:06] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone nods
[11:06] Shep: Yes I know he did
[11:06] Tor Karlsvalt: One can burn out
[11:07] Tanoujin Milestone: esp at the exec
[11:07] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah it is a rough job
[11:07] Tanoujin Milestone: we will make it again  I will do my best not to cause drama, I promise
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: But one good thing is I don’t see any exodus of citizens like we experienced the last two times Chancellors changed
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Tan, you drama?
[11:08] Shep: Well he had a gew people did’nt like him
[11:08] Shep: few
[11:08] Tanoujin Milestone: Sometimes, Tor…
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: oh prolly
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: but nobody left
[11:08] Shep: which is a shame because he’s a sweetheart
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: grumble maybe.
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: he was working way hard
[11:09] Tanoujin Milestone: Yes, that is true
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Trying to bring traffic in
[11:09] Shep: Did you get his humour? very british lol
[11:09] Tanoujin Milestone: Tor, will you have him as a treasurere assistant?
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: and really, all of us pay less tier cuz of him
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, sure
[11:09] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, thats good
[11:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Treb, maybe. he liked that sarcasm.
[11:10] Tor Karlsvalt: hey Soro
[11:10] Tanoujin Milestone: Soro 
[11:10] Soro Dagostino: Hello all.
[11:10] Soro Dagostino: Hello my lady.
[11:11] Shep: ooooh hello my love
[11:11] Soro Dagostino: Did anyone find the recorder?
[11:11] Shep: No so I have to find my history
[11:12] Tanoujin Milestone: no, I guess we will take a new one – Calli is about to test one for SC
[11:12] Shep: I hope I have it … this is my new computer :O
[11:12] Tanoujin Milestone: new hardware? Congrats….
[11:12] Shep: lol thanks
[11:12] Tanoujin Milestone: chatwindow not good enough?
[11:13] Soro Dagostino: Aren’t they in the Forums?
[11:13] Shep: My old one was broken
[11:13] Tor Karlsvalt: I wonder if I should hook a mac mini up to my TV
[11:13] Tor Karlsvalt: have SL on a 55inch TV
[11:13] Shep: I would’nt have the first idea lol
[11:14] Shep: Bloody hell almost like size
[11:14] Shep: Life*
[11:14] Tor Karlsvalt: you know you can open your chat history from preferences with FS
[11:14] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, the TV would be
[11:14] Shep: Yes if I have it ticked
[11:15] Shep: I’ll just go look brb

I want to say thanks for supplying this transcript Tan … and am so pleased you want to continue doing it 

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