RA Journals – 14th Assembly

Transcript RA meeting December 12
by Lilith Ivory » Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:23 pm
[12:15] Delia Lake: so to start this meeting in order to be official
[12:15] Mikelo Serevi: I have it, so I should just say it?
[12:16] Pip Torok: yes …
[12:16] Delia Lake: would you please recite after me, inserting your own name please?
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[12:16] Delia Lake: I [name], having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: I Mikelo Serevi, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:16] Cindy Ecksol: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[12:16] Pip Torok claps
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: ok, we’re official
[12:16] Lilith Ivory applauds
[12:16] Fern Leissa: clap clap clap
[12:16] Pip Torok: congratulations, mikelo
[12:17] Fern Leissa: Indeed. Congrats Mikelo
[12:17] Arria Perreault: clap, clap ,clap
[12:17] Mikelo Serevi: I wish there had been more candidates…
[12:17] Delia Lake: congratulations, Mikelo
[12:17] Pip Torok: we all wish that mik
[12:17] Arria Perreault: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[12:17] Delia Lake: that would have been preferred, yes.
[12:18] Pip Torok: now … the next item … I’d like to propose Cindy as LRA
[12:18] Delia Lake: often though it seems that the ones who show up are the right ones for the moment. i do certainly hope that is so in this case and wish you all the best for this term
[12:18] Pip Torok: (if you are willing!:)
[12:18] Cindy Ecksol: Actually Pip, I’m going to decline
[12:18] Mikelo Serevi: cindy is certainly capable
[12:18] Mikelo Serevi: and, nm…
[12:18] Cindy Ecksol: there’s a possibility that I will have to take a seat on my RL township council in January
[12:19] Cindy Ecksol: and if I do, I won’t have time for this
[12:19] Fern Leissa: oh. oh
[12:19] Arria Perreault: great !
[12:19] Mikelo Serevi: well, fine then, hmmph
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: now we have a problem
[12:19] Cindy Ecksol: lol! great that I’ll not be here, arria???
[12:19] Arria Perreault: (for your rl position, I mean)
[12:19] Fern Leissa: Yes. Great for the rl part, bad for us
[12:19] Pip Torok: yes …
[12:19] Cindy Ecksol: heh heh!
[12:19] Arria Perreault: ㋡
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: I´d propose Gwyn but she is hiding
[12:19] Cindy Ecksol: I second gwyn
[12:19] Mikelo Serevi: maybe that’s why she is hiding?
[12:19] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:20] Guillaume Mistwalker chuckles
[12:20] Pip Torok: well i’d certainly support her
[12:20] Fern Leissa: Can we elect her without her consent? So to speak?
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: lol she´d love that
[12:20] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:20] Mikelo Serevi: I imagine we could
[12:20] Pip Torok: would not recommend it …
[12:20] Mikelo Serevi: but she can’t decline then
[12:21] Fern Leissa: I’m just wondering about the law
[12:21] Delia Lake is thinking Gwyn will never, ever dare to miss another meeting if she’s elected LRA in absentia
[12:21] Sudane Erato: i’d just suggest that Gwyn might be very unhappy to have to fill that role
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: hehehe
[12:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha!
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: I think sudane might be right
[12:21] Fern Leissa: ok. Delia has a good point
[12:21] Sudane Erato: she is extremely busy
[12:21] Pip Torok agrees with Delia!
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: I´m afraid yes
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: well, fern is a ‘neutral’ party
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: are you interested?
[12:21] Fern Leissa: Huum. And if Sudane is right??
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: it´s Ferns first term
[12:22] Guillaume Mistwalker glares at Pip
[12:22] Fern Leissa: Fern’s first term
[12:22] Fern Leissa: Yes. What Lilith said. Definitly not me.
[12:22] Pip Torok: are you happy to be, Fern?
[12:22] Pip Torok: ah ….
[12:22] Cindy Ecksol: Lil, how about you?
[12:22] Fern Leissa: But do I hear Lilith volunteering????
[12:22] Fern Leissa:
[12:22] Mikelo Serevi: what I’m getting at is, we’ve divided into two camps
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: I would but need your assistance with all the rules
[12:23] Mikelo Serevi: rose’s and everyone else
[12:23] Mikelo Serevi: lilith is rose’s
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: uhm so what?
[12:23] Mikelo Serevi: I’d like to keep some balance if possible
[12:23] Cindy Ecksol: what???
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: Lilith is also CDSes
[12:23] Pip Torok agrees with lilith
[12:23] Cindy Ecksol: I mean “what are you talking about Mikelo???”
[12:24] Cindy Ecksol: what is this about “camps”??
[12:24] Mikelo Serevi: yes, let’s talk about the elephant
[12:24] Fern Leissa: Yes Mikelo.. I want to take Lilith as her own person, no matter who she is friends with
[12:24] Pip Torok: yes, but mik … whatever the situation, we still need an LRA
[12:24] Mikelo Serevi: come on… rose and her people have been tearing down the republic
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: I´m not eager to become LRA but would do it to keep things going
[12:24] Arria Perreault: maybe Lilith can say some words about that, her position
[12:24] Mikelo Serevi: bit by bit
[12:24] Pip Torok: I propose Lilith be LRA
[12:24] Cindy Ecksol: “her people”? who are these people??
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: in favor of some “modern” political model
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: in fact Rose is my best friend in SL but that does not mean I´m her puppet
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: which is so vauge I’m not sure it means anything
[12:25] Fern Leissa: Lilith is sitting here because she cares enough about CDS to run
[12:25] Pip Torok: my feeling exactly, Fern
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: does anyone here understnad what I’m trying to say?
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: I know exactly what you say and I deelpy dislike it
[12:26] Cindy Ecksol: Rose is one of my best friends in SL too, but what does that have to do with fitness as LRA?
[12:26] Pip Torok: I understand but realise that Lilith is noones puippet
[12:26] Arria Perreault: I do, Mikelo. That’s why I would appreciate that Lilith say some words (I appreciate Lilith a lot and I know she loves CDS)
[12:26] Mikelo Serevi: I’ve seen it before in democratic circles
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: a group decides they will take over
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: uhm what else should I say
[12:27] Sudane Erato: why not just vote on it?
[12:27] Cindy Ecksol is still wondering what this elephant is that mikelo sees so easily
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: I didn´t plan to become LRA but honestly I don´t see somebody else at the moment
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: rose and allies are tearing down the CDS republic in order to control it
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: would you like to become LRA Pip?
[12:27] Pip Torok: move to vote
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: that’s the elephant in the room no one will talk about
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: that´s nonsense Mikelo
[12:28] Cindy Ecksol: oh for heaven’s sake, mikelo!
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: I never did anything like that
[12:28] Cindy Ecksol: take a look at last term’s RA and THEN tell me about “tearing down” of CDS
[12:28] Fern Leissa: I think we have been polarized around all kinds of things, personalities, issues… I don’t know.
[12:28] Pip Torok: i wish i could but my diabetes lets me down … i become narcoleptic
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: and I wonder if you are the right person to sit here
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: it was a rubber stamp factory
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: while our chancellor wa being bullied
[12:28] Fern Leissa: I think we can work together to move beyond the fractures. I think Lilith can help us do that
[12:29] Arria Perreault: we will have to assume that the Chancellor, the Dean of the RA and the LRA share the same view abotut how to manage CDS
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: I thing of myself as being neutral
[12:29] Cindy Ecksol: now THAT is the purest nonsense I’ve every heard….take a look at how hard it was for Rose to organize the development and passage of that legislation!
[12:29] Delia Lake thinks she may have found the elephant. maybe now we can banish it from this chamber
[12:29] Pip Torok: anyone second my proposal?
[12:29] Mikelo Serevi: we can’t move beyondthe fractures until we are honest about them
[12:29] Cindy Ecksol: it was far from obvious that she could get ANY of it done!
[12:29] Mikelo Serevi: but what are we voting for, pip?
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: I think all of us want the CDS to do well
[12:29] Cindy Ecksol: this is just silly….
[12:29] Pip Torok: tghat lilith become LRA
[12:29] Arria Perreault: the other part that represent 50% will not have a key position in CDS
[12:30] Cindy Ecksol: Arria, WHAT “50%”??
[12:30] Cindy Ecksol: who are they and (more important) WHERE are they??
[12:30] Arria Perreault: the CDS is polarized about the way we have to manage our community
[12:30] Cindy Ecksol: assuming, of course, that they’re not in this room
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: I don´t get that at all
[12:30] Cindy Ecksol: nor do I
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: I know it might seem easier to minimize the problem
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: nobody wants to harm the CDS
[12:31] Arria Perreault: the results of the last elections show that clearly¨
[12:31] Cindy Ecksol: And, if I may be so bold, Arria….you do not have a voice in this decision.
[12:31] Cindy Ecksol: it’s for the RA members to decide…and you are not an RA member
[12:31] Arria Perreault: noboby want to harm CS, I know
[12:31] Fern Leissa: I’m sorry, but there is no one in this room I do not like and respect. I expect to be able to accomplish something constructive with them
[12:31] Cindy Ecksol: perhaps you should allow us to discuss without interference?
[12:31] Pip Torok: Mikelo … the problem as you see it is _trust_?
[12:31] Delia Lake: also, Arria, you do not have my permission to say how i think
[12:31] Arria Perreault: but there are different ways to manage our community
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: the problem is that a group has decided to take over
[12:32] Delia Lake: you, Arria, do not have any idea how i think
[12:32] Mikelo Serevi: and push everyone who does not agree with them out
[12:32] Alexia Carnell discovers that typewrite democracy is harder to follow than bla bla democracy
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: which group Mikelo?
[12:32] Mikelo Serevi: I’m all for cooperation, truly
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: not me for sure
[12:32] Pip Torok: who are the group exzactly, Mik?
[12:32] Mikelo Serevi: Rose’s juggernaut, lilith
[12:32] Cindy Ecksol would also like to know who the group is
[12:32] Cindy Ecksol: How about names, Mikelo?
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: I´d be happy caring about my own business but I feel the community needs me here
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: lilith and cindy seem to be on board
[12:33] Cindy Ecksol: if you think there’s some kind of cabal, let’s hear who it is….the rest of us are not seeing it
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: tor is
[12:33] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[12:33] Pip Torok: will noone second my motion?
[12:33] Cindy Ecksol: I second lilith’s nomination
[12:33] Cindy Ecksol: thank you pip
[12:33] Sudane Erato: i wish i could, Pip
[12:33] Pip Torok: thank you ….
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: and many others are just trying to ignore it like it will go away
[12:33] Guillaume Mistwalker: I am afraid I do not see how this has anything to elect an LRA, honourable Representatives.
[12:33] Fern Leissa: It doesn’t matter who you think the group(s) are, and probably there are multiple groups that cross lines, the point is that we find what we want to do … and do it
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: but, the fact is, CDS will not be a real democracy soon
[12:34] Cindy Ecksol: Lilith, are you willing to be LRA if elected?
[12:34] Cindy Ecksol: by your peers that is….
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: we did have policical factions, but they were abolished
[12:34] Lilith Ivory: yes as none of the more experienced are available
[12:34] Pip Torok: i think we have concluded discussion … do you agree?
[12:34] Cindy Ecksol: thank you.
[12:34] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:34] Cindy Ecksol: any other RA member have any questions for Lilith?
[12:34] Lilith Ivory: I should have hidden also hehe
[12:35] Sudane Erato:
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: rather a shame, but ok
[12:35] Cindy Ecksol: any community member have a specific question for Lilith?
[12:35] Pip Torok: move to vote
[12:35] Cindy Ecksol: one minute pip…
[12:35] Pip Torok: (lol)
[12:35] Guillaume Mistwalker: None, ye I seond Pp.
[12:35] Pip Torok: you cant guillaume! …
[12:35] Fern Leissa: none
[12:36] Cindy Ecksol: all in favor of Lilith as LRA?
[12:36] Pip Torok: aye
[12:36] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:36] Pip Torok: cindy? mikelo?
[12:36] Mikelo Serevi: abstain
[12:36] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[12:37] Sudane Erato: lilith can vote, no?
[12:37] Pip Torok: yes she can
[12:37] Cindy Ecksol: Lil, will you vote?
[12:37] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: (Just expressing my opinion, as she said community member )
[12:37] Cindy Ecksol: thank you.
[12:37] Fern Leissa: Yes Lilith. Thank you
[12:37] Guillaume Mistwalker claps
[12:37] Cindy Ecksol: four in favor, one abstention.
[12:37] Pip Torok claps
[12:37] Lilith Ivory: I have to thank you
[12:38] Cindy Ecksol: Congratulations Lil
[12:38] Sudane Erato: ty Lilith!
[12:38] Alexia Carnell claps
[12:38] Cindy Ecksol: I hand the gavel and the agenda over to you
[12:38] Fern Leissa: Congratulations Lilith
[12:38] Delia Lake: congratulations, LRA Lilith
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: hehe thank you
[12:38] Sudane Erato: good luck!
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: gez hehe
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: I will need your help to be a good Leader :9
[12:39] Guillaume Mistwalker: Welcome back, Arria
[12:39] Fern Leissa: wb Arria
[12:39] Arria Perreault: thank you
[12:39] Pip Torok: yes … welcome Arria …
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: So our chancellor isn’t here to tell us about the sandbox he’s planning to set up?
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: let’s make CDS into an infohub
[12:40] Cindy Ecksol: well, how about we hear his report, eh?
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: we can invite him to our next meeting
[12:40] Pip Torok: we have his report??
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: well, we could postpone until he’s here
[12:41] Fern Leissa: Yes. Lilith I think it is your read
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: uhm ok hehe
[12:41] Cindy Ecksol: is that a motion mikelo?
[12:41] Mikelo Serevi: it is
[12:41] Fern Leissa: I think Lilith can read it. Is that correct Delia?
[12:41] Mikelo Serevi: or seconding lilith, not sure
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: I´d prefer also to let Tor hold his speech himself
[12:41] Delia Lake: there are no rules on that. up to the RA
[12:41] Cindy Ecksol: is that a second, lil?
[12:42] Lilith Ivory: does anybody seconds Mikelos proposal
[12:42] Cindy Ecksol: I think you just did
[12:42] Pip Torok: i’m happy as long as there is no time-dependent items in it
[12:42] Fern Leissa: Oh. Ok. Yes. Let Tor read it at the next meet
[12:42] Fern Leissa: Or not???
[12:42] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[12:42] Fern Leissa: Sorry I’m lost
[12:42] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:42] Cindy Ecksol: ok…
[12:42] Cindy Ecksol: mikelo moved that we postpone the report.
[12:42] Cindy Ecksol: Lil…did you second?
[12:42] Pip Torok: may i make a suggestion?
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: sure pip
[12:43] Lilith Ivory: yes I second
[12:43] Cindy Ecksol: ok, ,then let’s vote
[12:43] Cindy Ecksol: all in favor of postponing?
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[12:43] Pip Torok: when cindy was LRA she made use of some nifty software that helped the RA enormously … can I suggest Lilith and Cindy get together about it?
[12:43] Pip Torok: aye
[12:43] Cindy Ecksol: no…we don’t need software for just seven, pip
[12:43] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: right Cindy
[12:44] Cindy Ecksol: I only used it beause we had 13 and that was unmanageable without helop
[12:44] Cindy Ecksol: in the meantime….votes?
[12:44] Pip Torok: ah … withdraws suggestion
[12:44] Cindy Ecksol: I vote “nay” — let’s do the report today
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: fern?
[12:44] Cindy Ecksol: Lil, Pip, fern?
[12:44] Pip Torok: she voted
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: said aye
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: sry, fern said aye
[12:44] Fern Leissa: I already voted aye
[12:45] Cindy Ecksol: ah, ok…
[12:45] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:45] Cindy Ecksol: ok, so the ayes have it….report postponed
[12:45] Pip Torok: and i voted aye
[12:45] Lilith Ivory: I´d like to have the executive here more often anyway
[12:45] Pip Torok: just for interest .. any reason to have had the report read today, Cindy?
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: Tor took the time to write the report so that we could hear it as soon as possible. I think that’s a good idea
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: what about the 5time for our next meeting?
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: I can’t think of any reason to wait.
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: we need to get started so I´d suggest we meet sometimes next weekend
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: but on to the next….
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: ok, although saturdays are generally bad for me
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: there might be questions top Tor
[12:46] Pip Torok: I cannot make next weekend 9away)
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: good point lilith
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: what about thursday?
[12:47] Cindy Ecksol: Thursday???
[12:47] Cindy Ecksol: what time, lil?
[12:47] Pip Torok: thursday wd be good for me
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: we had thursday meetings before
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: I´m open for all times :9
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: that might work, yes
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: I´d likje to have a consens
[12:47] Pip Torok: noon again?
[12:48] Cindy Ecksol: my thursdays are generally not great….noon this coming thrus is out of the question
[12:48] Lilith Ivory: ok
[12:48] Lilith Ivory: what about friday?
[12:48] Cindy Ecksol: how about sundays?
[12:48] Pip Torok: canty do friday …
[12:48] Pip Torok: or sunday
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: sundays are better
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: …Tomorrow?
[12:48] Lilith Ivory: anybody against sunday?
[12:48] Cindy Ecksol: no fridays at noon will almost never work for me
[12:49] Cindy Ecksol: no…next sunday, Guillaume
[12:49] Fern Leissa: I can do sunday, maybe I think.. Thursday
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: pip is away next, right?
[12:49] Pip Torok: not in principle lilith .. i just cant do next sunday
[12:49] Lilith Ivory: I see
[12:49] Fern Leissa: Huum. Week after is Christmas
[12:49] Cindy Ecksol: is pip the only one who will be absent next sunday?
[12:50] Pip Torok: looksw like it ..
[12:50] Fern Leissa: I can do sunday
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: and gwyn is an unknown
[12:50] Cindy Ecksol: well, we’re ALL going to be out sometimes.
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: she said she can´t do the next two saturdays
[12:50] Fern Leissa: Ah… Gwyn is also unavailable next weekedn
[12:50] Pip Torok: i’ll put in my request for a 7-day vote now, if I may
[12:50] Fern Leissa: I think Sunday too Lilith
[12:50] Cindy Ecksol: Sunday too?
[12:50] Cindy Ecksol: oh, well…
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: sigh
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: how many people do we need to have a quorum?
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: but we’ll be down to 4 next sunday then
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: 50% + 1
[12:51] Cindy Ecksol: we need four for a quorum
[12:51] Cindy Ecksol: how about Jan 2?
[12:51] Pip Torok: fine for me!
[12:51] Fern Leissa: OK
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: uhm do you really want to start this term so late?
[12:51] Cindy Ecksol: no other choicse, Lil
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: isn’t that 3 weeks?
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: I´d prefer to have a meeting before the holidays
[12:52] Pip Torok: no .. but we have no choice it seems
[12:52] Cindy Ecksol: weekdays are obviously not too great, and we’ve got two holiday weekends
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: I´m traveling at this time
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: from 12/27 till 1/6
[12:52] Cindy Ecksol: *sigh*
[12:52] Fern Leissa: Ah… that’s a problem Lilith
[12:52] Mikelo Serevi: the holidays are a tough time
[12:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: Any rule against no doingit tomrrow?
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: isn´t there any weekday and time we can meet?
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: it´s only an hour or two
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:53] Fern Leissa: I think I can make Thursday
[12:53] Cindy Ecksol: I could find time, but we need to get Gwyn in too….and she’s VERY busy weekdays
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: I see
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: could we operate asynchronously for part of it?
[12:54] Pip Torok: not possible, mikelo
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: I mean, discuss in the forums without voting?
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: do we have anything to discuss yet?
[12:54] Pip Torok: not yet! .. ;0
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: I´d prefer to have our meetings inworld
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: well, what our plan for the term is perhaps
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: but yes, in-world is best
[12:55] Lilith Ivory: well, learning about plans isn´t a bad idea
[12:55] Fern Leissa: Any point to meeting even if we don’t have enough to vote
[12:55] Tim Leckrone is Online
[12:55] Fern Leissa: I mean I’m asking if maybe we shouldn’t consider..
[12:56] Pip Torok: well there is one issue we’ll need to discuss
[12:56] Pip Torok: … the issue of enough candidates for an election
[12:56] Lilith Ivory: also we should continue working on the renewal of our covenants
[12:57] Pip Torok: true!
[12:57] Fern Leissa: Yes… I agree we need to pick up on the covenants and get that finished
[12:57] Lilith Ivory: we need another leader of this commision
[12:57] Fern Leissa: Who was leading it ? Sorry don’t remember
[12:57] Mikelo Serevi: I thought lilith was
[12:58] Fern Leissa:
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: Keila was but imo a RA member has to be the chair
[12:58] Sudane Erato:
[12:58] Pip Torok: is that because of time or do you think an LRA is not appropriate as commission-leader?
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: Lilith was leader of the commerce commision
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: to much power for one person
[12:58] Fern Leissa: was? And Keila is now?
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: and to much work hehe
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: Keila is now Commerce Coordinator as far as I know
[12:59] Pip Torok: imo a citizen who’s keen and/or expert is best as the commissiohn leader
[13:00] Arria Perreault: why the different apppointments are not published?
[13:00] Fern Leissa: Hey… do we have a next meeting time yet? Did I miss that?
[13:00] Pip Torok: not yet…
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: are these commissions actually needed?
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: lol
[13:00] Pip Torok: imo yes
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: let´s talk about a new meeting time first
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: they seemed part of last term’s plan
[13:00] Pip Torok: YES!
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: sooo which day of the week
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: and at what time?
[13:01] Fern Leissa: Thursday, sat or sun for me (next week)
[13:01] Pip Torok: suggest jan2 onward … and noon
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: I´m not here on jan2
[13:01] Mikelo Serevi: I’ll try to make anything work in the next few weeks
[13:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Sunday’s looking best, to keep things rolling.
[13:02] Arria Perreault: some people seem better informed than I am. I did not read anything about appointment in the forums
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: but for regular meetings, sunday is my favorite
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: I´m fine with sundays also
[13:02] Pip Torok: (and for me too, _as a rule_ …)
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: either day works for me
[13:03] Fern Leissa: Also me. Sundays are good
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: I can try to get in touch with Gwyn and Tor
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: to find out what works for them
[13:04] Fern Leissa: I vote for next Sunday. I agree with Lilith. We could at least get started talking and thinking
[13:04] Lilith Ivory: right Fern
[13:04] Lilith Ivory: I´d second that
[13:04] Cindy Ecksol: not without a quorum, fern
[13:04] Pip Torok: me too btw, Lilith
[13:04] Lilith Ivory: sigh Cindy is right also
[13:04] Cindy Ecksol: let’s see what Gwyn says about next Sunday
[13:04] Lilith Ivory: right
[13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: There will be < 4 present, no? [13:05] Fern Leissa: I understand we can't vote on anything, but couldn't we identify issue problems , upcoming legislation? [13:05] Cindy Ecksol: yes, Ithink so.... [13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Lil, Cind, Mik, Fern? [13:05] Cindy Ecksol: yes, that's 4 [13:05] Sudane Erato: talking surely does not require a quorum? [13:05] Fern Leissa: hehe [13:05] Lilith Ivory: right [13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha [13:05] Mikelo Serevi: it should be fine [13:05] Cindy Ecksol: we can talk, jus t can't vote [13:06] Lilith Ivory: Tor could hold his speech in case he is available [13:06] Pip Torok: you could frame a proposal ready for the full meeting to vote on! [13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, if you 4 are present, you can vote [13:06] Cindy Ecksol: yes, 4 can vote [13:06] Lilith Ivory: right [13:06] Cindy Ecksol: ok...so are we doing next week Sunday at noon? [13:07] Fern Leissa: Sounds good to me [13:07] Lilith Ivory: I`m fine with that [13:07] Pip Torok: me too!! (lol) [13:07] Cindy Ecksol: great! done!! [13:07] Mikelo Serevi: me too [13:07] Fern Leissa: [13:07] Cindy Ecksol: move to adjourn! [13:07] Fern Leissa: second [13:07] Pip Torok: second [13:07] Cindy Ecksol: all in favor? [13:07] Pip Torok: aye [13:07] Arria Perreault: I have an announcement ... [13:07] Mikelo Serevi: aye [13:07] Fern Leissa: aye [13:07] Cindy Ecksol: aye [13:07] Cindy Ecksol: ok, adjourned.

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Transcript RA meeting December 19
by Lilith Ivory » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:55 am
[12:00] Delia Lake: hello everyone
[12:00] Mikelo Serevi: maybe your ao, beathan?
[12:01] Beathan Vale: yes — I don;t think Ilike this new viewer
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: no, I hate v2
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: the aganda is in the box
[12:02] Tor Karlsvalt: Beathan, you on the most current version?
[12:02] Tor Karlsvalt: 2.1
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: hope you are all able to get it
[12:02] Tor Karlsvalt: 2.4
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: /me´s a little nervous all alone up here hehe
[12:02] Beathan Vale: sadly, yes
[12:02] Fern Leissa:
[12:02] Fern Leissa: umlat hehe
[12:03] Tor Karlsvalt: You do fine Lil
[12:03] Tor Karlsvalt: i mean madam LRA
[12:03] Cam Holiday: Don’t be nervous
[12:03] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:03] Sudane Erato: you’ll me great!
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: don’t worry, we dont’want to be up there
[12:03] Fern Leissa:
[12:04] Fern Leissa: Scary enough being here lol
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:04] Tor Karlsvalt thinks about being scared.
[12:04] Sudane Erato:
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: I saw Pip coming online
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: maybe we can start with Citizens concerns while the rest arrives
[12:05] Fern Leissa: Pip is on his way
[12:05] Trebor Warcliffe: Are we recording Lilith?
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: yes of course
[12:06] Trebor Warcliffe: Wasn’t sure if that was something that needed to be activated, thats all.
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: thought I would not have to mention it as there is a big sign behind me
[12:06] Tor Karlsvalt: or maybe we have election results and Treb is a new member.
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: think we lost that activation thingy a few terms ago
[12:06] Trebor Warcliffe: ok
[12:07] Trebor Warcliffe: So we are addressing citizens concerns or waiting a few more minutes?
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Woot! Cindy
[12:07] Beathan Vale: Hi Cindy
[12:07] Fern Leissa: Hi cindy
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: our missing members are quite close
[12:07] Mikelo Serevi: cindy and pip
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: Hiya cindy
[12:07] Delia Lake: we do not have election results until Tuesday eve at the earliest. very sorry about that. Jon had RL delays in getting the program updated
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: Hi Pip
[12:07] Cindy Ecksol: hi all. sorry I’m late
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Pip
[12:07] Beathan Vale: Hi Pip
[12:08] Fern Leissa: Hi Pip
[12:08] Pip Torok: hi … dratted teleporter!
[12:08] Cindy Ecksol: Steelers game at 4 and I had to get from the ballet thru downtown to home
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: good you could make it
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt laments he has not gotten a big TV.
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: ok let´s start with citizens concerns
[12:08] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes I have a question.
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: yes trebor?
[12:09] Trebor Warcliffe: What is the situation with the Commissions? Do they carry over from last term or must they be reformed once again?
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: we have to vote on that but I´d like to continue at least a few as I think they did good work
[12:09] Trebor Warcliffe: I think they did great work.
[12:10] Mikelo Serevi: I’m not sure there’s a rule either way
[12:10] Trebor Warcliffe: They allowed any and all citizens to participate.
[12:10] Trebor Warcliffe: And they were quite successful last term in bringing ideas to the RA.
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: yes and the transcripts have to be published
[12:11] Pip Torok: perhaps our LRA will have some words about commissions later on in the meeting …
[12:11] Trebor Warcliffe: Agreed, were not always available inworld so it is nice to be able to read transcripts in your down time and contribute that way also.
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: right talking about them is on the agenda right after the election of the RA archivist
[12:11] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: yes Calli?
[12:11] Callipygian Christensen: I have a concern when its my turn
[12:12] Trebor Warcliffe: I am done
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: ok
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: Calli?
[12:12] Callipygian Christensen: I am concerned at the tone and intent of Mikelo’s comments in the first RA meeting and a subsequent post. As a *represntative* of the peope I had hoped that the invcoming RA members would start looking forward and attempting to begin a new phase of positive community.. I ask that you Mikelo, consider putting your energy into building, not continuing old vendettas.
[12:12] Callipygian Christensen: done
[12:12] Mikelo Serevi: I call it as I see it
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: Unless free speech is to be discouraged
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Hello Jeroma.
[12:13] Trebor Warcliffe: I have to agree with Calli. Lets let go of the past and move forward in a productive manner.
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi:
[12:13] Jeroma Wycliffe: Hi Tor
[12:13] Trebor Warcliffe: We can’t work towards the future if we dwell on the past.
[12:13] Callipygian Christensen: I am not talking about free speech, so much as how tht free speech is presented when one represents a community.
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Calli also if I am allowed to say that my possition
[12:13] Pip Torok: remember … no RA member speaks for all the RA …
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: As long as the past is in fact the past
[12:14] Beathan Vale: those who forget the past …
[12:14] Cindy Ecksol: *sigh*
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: I hope this RA will work together constructive during this term
[12:14] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes
[12:14] Beathan Vale: I have a brief statement when there is a moment
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: of course
[12:15] Sudane Erato: I will note that Beathan is a new citizen
[12:15] Cindy Ecksol: and an olld one
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: are you done Calli or are there any more comments?
[12:15] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:15] Trebor Warcliffe: Welcome to the CDS Beathan.
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Welcome Beathan
[12:15] Callipygian Christensen: I am done Lilith..thank you for the time
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: Welcome Beathan
[12:15] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:16] Pip Torok: (Welcome new-and-old citizen!:)
[12:16] Sylvana Torres is Online
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: Beathan?
[12:16] Delia Lake: yes, welcome back Beathan
[12:17] Beathan Vale: Hi all — I’m back after a two year hiatus from SL. I look forward to becoming reacquainted with the CDS, which seems to undergone some changes, and to be a constructive addition. To everyone I don’t know, I look forward to meeting you. Thanks. My old property was available, so that’s where I can be frequently found — in CN
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: great!
[12:17] Delia Lake: oh good
[12:17] Trebor Warcliffe: I for one love constructive additions.
[12:17] Mikelo Serevi: Glad to have you back
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: cool
[12:17] Pip Torok: me too
[12:18] Fern Leissa: Good to have yu as a neighbor
[12:18] Sudane Erato: you look the same as ever!
[12:18] Pip Torok: (ears not quite as long perhaps!:)
[12:18] Sudane Erato:
[12:19] Beathan Vale: LOL
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: any more citizens concerns? I see we have a full house today
[12:20] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: ok before we move to additions and changes of the aganda I wanted to inform you that I officially stepped back from my office as caretaker in the CDS
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: having both offices didn´t seem to be propper
[12:21] Trebor Warcliffe: Understandable
[12:21] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:21] Delia Lake: Noted
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: Is there really a conflict of interest?
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: Up to you of course
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: the govenmental threat of the portal needs to be updated btw
[12:22] Pip Torok: better safe than sorry espicially as Lilith is so open about it
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: no but it just didn´t seem to be right
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: I´m willing to help of course if needed
[12:22] Trebor Warcliffe: That and I’m sure the LRA position is quite a workload by itself.
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: ok
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: any additions and changes to the agenda?
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: I placed Tor first as he is our guest and Sudane has to leave early
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: thank you
[12:24] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: seems like everybody is fine
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: your turn Tor
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: ok thank you Ms. LRA
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: I have my address in a nc, and will use a little gadget to read it quickly.
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: so if you would open your local chat box.
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Congratulations to the 14th RA as you begin your new term.
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: I am honored to have been elected Chancellor of this wonderful sim, CDS, and to deliver to you the State of the Nation Address. As you may know, since coming to Second Life, I have attended many sessions of the RA.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I had prepared this address for the last meeting which I was unable to attend. I am happy to today to be available and deliver this State of the Nation Address.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: The democracy has achieved a new milestone with the direct election of the chancellor. This has been an improvement to the selection by the RA and should remove one point of contention within RA as well as allowed for a very smooth transition.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I wish to thank Sonja for being helpful these past few weeks.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Recently, there has been some controversy about the election of the current RA. Although fewer citizens stood for election than we had seats, I note that we had two viable candidates standing in the by-election for the open seat.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Thus, our democracy appears to be surviving. Both of these candidates are relatively new citizens and this stresses the importance of gaining new citizens. New citizens are energetic and eager to contribute and I hope an example to our older citizens.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: To that end this term will make attracting new citizens a primary focus. This must entail the promotion of CDS in SL and the marketing of our considerable vacant land.
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: At present, LA is proving to be a difficult sim and has a significant portion of its parcels held by the government. At present, we should not worry as income from the sim is still sufficient to cover its costs.
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Ownership in the alpine sims remains strong. However as of yesterday a number of parcels have been placed on private sale in Neufreistadt.
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will promote CDS via group memberships, LL search and internet. Public events will be encouraged to display the standard CDS kiosk which will link to an updated listing of land for sale. The government will investigate the use of a scri
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: scriptomatic.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will investigate recent changes to LL advertising and marketing.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will set properties for sale at a reasonable rate with the stress on having most properties set for sale. Sale prices of property held by CDS will be reduced to a reasonable market rate.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will act on the approved parcelling of Alpine Meadow AH2 as recommended by the New Guild. Moon has just recently provided the map for the parceling:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=3180&p=16797&hilit=AH2#p16797
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will seek to establish and maintain communication and cooperation with other democracies and governments in SL.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The Government will follow a good neighbor policy with Al Andalus. I will request that the New Guild consider how our open sim sides may be closed to provide a more aesthetic view from Al Andalus.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will look toward a new land communication between CN and Al Andalus.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will continue to support regional commissions and their scheduling of events. However we will ensure that events keep some focus on directing visitors to available land.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will encourage a report regarding each event as to the number of visitors brought into the sim and any efforts by organizers to sell land.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will organize a Christmas Market in the Neufreistat Platz.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government has organized a concert in Alpine Meadow for Christmas. It will be Craig Lyons a very popular artist in Second Life, at 8 PM SLT on Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: It has been posted in Notices, on the event Calendar and in SL Events.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will propose that future budgets extend into the next term to allow for programing as soon as the new term begins. The current, proposed budget and commentary can be found at:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3179
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: The government well encourage the Guild and RA to consider the development of a new alpine sim and or other sim project as opportunities arise.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will encourage the Guild to consider the rebuilding of the clock tower in NFS as it is textured in an unrealistic manner. For instance, heavy stone is above a half-timbered section.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will encourage the New Guild to highlight areas where the sims can be improved, if and when the new mesh technology and 60m prims become available.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: There is much work to be done. And I will need everyones help. It my hope we can all come together and make CDS the democracy and friendly place it should be. Much like Locus Amoenus is a nice place, so should all of CDS.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you all,
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Tor Karlsvalt
[12:31] Pip Torok: applause
[12:31] Lilith Ivory applauds
[12:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Excellent
[12:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Applauds
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: thx Tor
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: yw
[12:31] Cam Holiday applauds
[12:31] Callipygian Christensen applauds
[12:31] Fern Leissa: Clap, clap, clap. Tx Tor
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks all
[12:32] Pip Torok: possibility for questions, mme LRA?
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: I do request Ms. LRA, that the RA pass on the budget as presented in the link
[12:32] Lilith Ivory opens her web browser
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: everybody ok with that request?
[12:33] Fern Leissa: Fine
[12:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Naturally modifications are welcome, now or in the futre.
[12:33] Trebor Warcliffe: Very good
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: well, budget presentation is listed as next
[12:34] Sudane Erato: I’d like to volunteer that I support this budget completely
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you Sudane.
[12:34] Pip Torok: Are questions to the Chancellor permitted?
[12:35] Lilith Ivory: of course
[12:35] Pip Torok: well will the Chancellor be ensuring that enetertainment in oldworld-friendly hours are fairly available?
[12:36] Sudane Erato:
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh yes.
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks for the question Pip, I do realize that the last few events have been at times a bit late for europe
[12:36] Trebor Warcliffe: May I ask what “oldworld-friendly hours” means please
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I will stess that we have a balance and preferable times good for all.
[12:37] Sudane Erato: 8 PM SLT is 4 in the morning for those in the UK
[12:37] Pip Torok: it means that ppl living outside the American Continent do not have to sit up during the wee small hours of the morning
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: but alas I think we will have to strive for a balance mostly
[12:37] Sudane Erato: and 5 in Germany
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: A yes,
[12:37] Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you for the clarification
[12:37] Fern Leissa: Madame LRA may I ask a question of the Chancellor?
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree Pip, the concert for the 22nd was an opportinity that I felt we could not pass on.
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: of course Fern :9
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: and I will keep Euro times in mind.
[12:38] Pip Torok: yes but in that case you were constrained (as I understand it)
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: I think the LRA is on so late that I forget that
[12:38] Sudane Erato:
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:39] Fern Leissa: I’m wondering about the projected revenue figures. Are these in some way taking in to account our vacancy rates?
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: I live in SLT
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: um I have not counted parcels currently held by the gov’t
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: so CDS is ok at the moment.
[12:40] Fern Leissa: Ok.
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: That said we need to keep attracting new people
[12:40] Sudane Erato: despite the number of yellow parcels, the tier revenues have remained remarkably consistent over many months
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: One must keep in mind also, that some of the yellow on the map represents private sales.
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: I have a question about attracting new people
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: These are still paying tier..
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: yes Mikelo
[12:41] Trebor Warcliffe: Good point Tor.
[12:41] Pip Torok: if our occupancy rate compares well with most other sims … may it not be the actuall reason for the shortfall is Extra-SL?
[12:41] Mikelo Serevi: Are these efforts going to try to find people interested in democracy?
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes always, Mikelo. I point to my new poster and group inviter.
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: This is not a challenge to you, I’m really asking
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: The focus is on showing CDS as an experiment in democracy.
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: no problem Mikelo
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I do note, that all of us can help in recruitment.
[12:43] Cindy Ecksol raises hand
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Mr. Vale has just offered an excellant idea of going to polysci groups
[12:43] Pip Torok hopes that more regard us as a practising democracy rather than simply as an experiment…
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Cindy, let me answer Pip
[12:43] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: I had thought that, pip. Some of us call it home, too
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: well regarding Land vis a vis SL.
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: It is true that SL is under pressure from RL.
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: However, some sims still go very well.
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I think we can be one those sims, and indeed, in many respects are right now..
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: As Sudane notes, we do rather well as a sim.
[12:45] Fern Leissa: raises hand
[12:45] Sudane Erato: yes, we do
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: Cindy>
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: ?
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: not so much a question for Tor,
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: but a motion.
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: yes?
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: there seems to be some concern about the budget and in the interest of time and efficiency, I wonder if we ought to delay a vote until next meeting
[12:46] Cindy Ecksol: I so move…is someone willing to second?
[12:47] Frances Ying is Online
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: 2nd, I’d like time to review
[12:47] Tim Leckrone is Offline
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: Um, the govenmen is under some constraints
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: It can be amended in later sessions but I would like a budge passed.
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: it has been posted to the forum since the 13th
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: my net has been out since the 15th
[12:48] Cindy Ecksol: I would too, but there are clearly concerns judging by the number of questions
[12:48] Cindy Ecksol: Tor, perhaps you could dig up a few prior budgets and give us a retrospective look?
[12:48] Tim Leckrone is Online
[12:49] Lilith Ivory: imo that would be a good idea as not all of us are financial experts
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: I believe the links to prior budgets are in the comentary.
[12:49] Cindy Ecksol: last term, and I believe Jamie had a budget for the 11th term even if he didn’t do one for the 12th
[12:49] Lilith Ivory: (including me)
[12:49] Cindy Ecksol: how about putting them in a spreadsheet for us, Tor?
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: At any rate, we can do this the good ol’ US of A way
[12:49] Cindy Ecksol: make it easy — you’r ethe expert, we need spoonfeeding
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: RA should pass a conintuing resolution to allow the government to function under the past budget
[12:50] Trebor Warcliffe: Tor I have some spare time these next few weeks I would be able to help you with this if needed.
[12:50] Cindy Ecksol: well, first we have to vote on this motion
[12:50] Cindy Ecksol: call the vote?
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: do we have a second yet?
[12:50] Pip Torok: yes… mikelo
[12:50] Cindy Ecksol: yes, iti was seconded
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: I take sudane’s support as a sign it’s a good budget
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: ok all in favor for Cindys motion say aye please
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: but I haven’t digested it yet
[12:51] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[12:51] Pip Torok: aye
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[12:51] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: motion carries
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: ok guys, you know you just shut down CDS
[12:52] Pip Torok: ???
[12:52] Cindy Ecksol: no, we didn’t yet….
[12:52] Sudane Erato: please remember that some auhorization is now needed to spend CDS money, other than tier
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: you can still continue working
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: exactly
[12:52] Cindy Ecksol: I move that we pass a resoulution continuing theh 13th term monthly budget until a new one is in place
[12:52] Trebor Warcliffe: Sudane is correct
[12:52] Mikelo Serevi: 2nd
[12:52] Cindy Ecksol: thanks mikelo
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: A CR
[12:53] Pip Torok: move to vote?
[12:53] Cindy Ecksol: do we need to discuss or are we ready to vote?
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: can’t leave tor hanging
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: all in favor for Cindys motion say aye please
[12:53] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[12:53] Pip Torok: aye
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[12:53] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:53] Cindy Ecksol: ok, that’s fine
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you all.
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: we must have our music
[12:54] Cindy Ecksol: now Tor, will you please get us the info we need on projected revenues (given the number of parcels for sale) and a spreadsheet comparing past budgets?
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: thank you Tor
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: among other things
[12:54] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: yes Calli?
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: sure that would be fine.
[12:54] Cindy Ecksol: then we can happily pass your proposal and go our merry way…or intelligently propose alternatives
[12:54] Cindy Ecksol: thanks!
[12:55] Fern Leissa: raises hand
[12:55] Callipygian Christensen: In addition to Ciny’s comment..there are a number of parcels owned by the govt that are not set for sale
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: I will note that the presented budget has projected revenues based on parcels owned as of the 13th
[12:55] Callipygian Christensen: (with that raising again for me the question of if iter is set high since so many parcels can be non productive) can we get those inclued in the accoutning?
[12:55] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes there is Calli.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: um, I think tier is anoher issue.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: I tihnk it is high, but RA needs to dicuss tier.
[12:57] Trebor Warcliffe: Calli how do you mean included in the accounting? Like best case scenario if all land was owned by citizens that is currently up for sale?
[12:57] Callipygian Christensen: indeed, but I think if parcels and potetial income are bieng considered, laving them unmentioned isnt appropriate
[12:57] Trebor Warcliffe: What would our income be with full capacity?
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: let me look i have that i think
[12:58] Callipygian Christensen: Trebor, I’d just like to see them included somewhere in the accounting..how or where is not a worry -just that we be aware they exist and show up somewhere
[12:58] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok i think that can be accomplished.
[12:59] Delia Lake: that does make sense to me from a management perspective
[12:59] Trebor Warcliffe: Do we know why there are government owned parcels that aren’t listed for sale that should be listed?
[12:59] Beathan Vale is Offline
[12:59] Trebor Warcliffe: Going back to Calli’s original comment.
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: 504844 linden would be our total tier.
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: how do we know they exist?
[13:00] Trebor Warcliffe: At full capacity Tor?
[13:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Mikelo
[13:00] Trebor Warcliffe: In my travels
[13:00] Trebor Warcliffe: I maintain the CDS Owners/Citizens list
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[13:01] Trebor Warcliffe: There are propertys that list Rudeen Edo as owner
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: Some govenment parcels have not been placed for sale by past chancellors porbalbly to limit the amount of yellow on the map.
[13:01] Pip Torok: I believe the reasohn was aesthetic, Trebor … the colour yellow was picked because it was originally assumed that unsold plots wd form a small proportion of the total sim
[13:01] Trebor Warcliffe: That aren’t currently on the yellow map
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: yes at full capacity our tier is 504844
[13:01] Fern Leissa: Is that for 6 months Tor?
[13:01] Trebor Warcliffe: We should not limit the amount of yellow on the map in my opinion.
[13:01] Pip Torok: (I’m talking of the whole of SL rather than of CDS, Trebor)
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: no per month
[13:02] Fern Leissa: kk
[13:02] Trebor Warcliffe: The yellow does allow citizens to sort of see the situation in the SIMS.
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: some were designated as open land, as I recall
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: some might be used for prims
[13:02] Trebor Warcliffe: Not them
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: um, no, i am not counting any LV land.
[13:03] Trebor Warcliffe: I’m referring to repossed properties
[13:03] Trebor Warcliffe: repossessed
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: I was using the total tier found on the master parcel lists
[13:03] Trebor Warcliffe: That should be made available for sale
[13:03] Mikelo Serevi: I just don’t want to get into a finger-pointing scenario here, since the CDS is doing ok
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: No, we do have some parcels for private sale.
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: naturually any of those could be abandoned.
[13:03] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Tor that is where I would gather the information.
[13:04] Fern Leissa: Ok if we get back to the budget for a sec?
[13:04] Fern Leissa: I’m wondering if we shouldn’t include a Program catagory
[13:04] You decline Auctions by Kath from A group member named jaed Cartier.
[13:04] Fern Leissa: specifically for “democratic” events
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we can, probaby take money from music events.
[13:05] Fern Leissa: Maybe a speaker on inworld governance, whatever
[13:05] Cindy Ecksol wonders if that’s te opposite of “undemocratic events”
[13:05] Fern Leissa: that is separate from social or community event funds?
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I assume you mean programs, like poetry or lectures?
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: sure i think we should do more of that
[13:05] Trebor Warcliffe: I think they would be included in social or community events
[13:05] Fern Leissa: Yes programs, exactly
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: we do get some of that from metanomics
[13:05] Pip Torok: perhaps we should say “democracy-promotong” events, Cindy
[13:05] Trebor Warcliffe: The budget is a broad painting so to speak
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: it would also help target ppl who would be potiential citizens.
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: yes we do Mik
[13:06] Fern Leissa: True. I’d like to see more like metanomics
[13:06] Beathan Vale is Online
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: but we could do some of it ourselves too
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: Or even Delia might have ppl who could give lictures about ecology.
[13:06] Callipygian Christensen excuses herself with wishes for a productive meeting..later all
[13:07] Delia Lake:
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: i am very open to that sort of programming.
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: So the current budget is open to this already?
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: One citizen also suggested having art fairs.
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: well, current/future
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: yes it is Mik, although not expressly mentioned.
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: I was already thinking of having some of that programming.
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: The way I see it the budget allocates money to certain subjects such as events
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: And than it is up to us
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: To go into detail and decide how that money is spent
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Quite so Trebor.
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: that is my understanding of it also.
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: we don’t need to concentratie on music.
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: That’s where we address these wonderful ideas such as lectures
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: seminars
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: fairs
[13:08] Trebor Warcliffe: etc.
[13:09] Trebor Warcliffe: A commision would definitely help in this area
[13:09] Cindy Ecksol: I loved the sessions someone (Calli?) ran a while back to write “micro-fiction”
[13:09] Cindy Ecksol: was very good fun
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree trebor
[13:09] Trebor Warcliffe: All with the goal of promoting the CDS and growing the CDS.
[13:09] Pip Torok: “events commission”??
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I think those were at Fugit Hora.
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Jayme Mistwalker ran them
[13:10] Trebor Warcliffe: Events or it may fall into the communications commission
[13:10] Mikelo Serevi: I think this can be run informally
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: well we have the regional commissons.
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: The Roman is active.
[13:10] Trebor Warcliffe: I’m just trying to type out ideas as they come to mind
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: but I think anyone with an Idea can come to Me or anna
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: and we can plan it
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Beathan mentioned poly sci groups.
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: They might have interesting lecturers.
[13:11] Trebor Warcliffe: Even starting somethign as simple as a forum thread about it would accomplish something
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: these are all good ideas.
[13:11] Pip Torok: agress with Trebor
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi thinks trebor just volunteered
[13:11] Trebor Warcliffe: LOL
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:11] Fern Leissa:
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: I am in world a bit, so anyone who wants to talk in world can just IM me. Also, there are he forums.
[13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: my email is Tor.Karlsvalt@gmail.com
[13:13] Pip Torok: (with the caps, Tor?)
[13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: caps aren’t really necessary.
[13:13] Pip Torok: ok …
[13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Also there is a mail box on my cabin.
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: any more questions at Tor?
[13:15] Pip Torok: (for the records, the cabin is in AM)
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: if not we might want to move forward to our next point on the aganda
[13:15] Tor Karlsvalt: ah yes, where the monastery used to be
[13:16] Tor Karlsvalt restfully takes a seat. whew
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:16] Pip Torok:
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: Election of a RA Archivist
[13:17] Cindy Ecksol: not elected, appointed….
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: Cindy agreed to continue with that office if there are no other volunteers
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: oh ok
[13:17] Cindy Ecksol: and I would be happy to continue.
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: Will you have time, cindy? I know you mentioned Rl things
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: I´m happy you do Cindy
[13:18] Cindy Ecksol: still have the issue of the missing transcript from July 9 to clean up from last term, but aside from that no big deal
[13:18] Pip Torok: Cindy could I ask that you point citizens to where the up2date constitution and laws is held ??
[13:18] Cindy Ecksol: Pip, the constitution is currently updated with everything from last term EXCEPT what might have been passed on July 9
[13:18] Cindy Ecksol: I can’t find a transcript for that meeting
[13:19] Cindy Ecksol: you can find the constitution and laws on the portal, but give me a sec and I’ll pull out the link
[13:20] Cindy Ecksol: here’s te code of laws, and there’s a link on te right to the Constitution: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=codeoflaws
[13:20] Pip Torok: thanks!…..
[13:20] Delia Lake: there are some codes and posts that are not quite up to date as i recall. Cindy, when i find spots when i’m doing SC research i’ll email them to youy
[13:21] Cindy Ecksol: yes, tere are lots of things missing from previous terms.
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: we had no archivist for 2 or 3 terms as I recall
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: if you can identify some, Delia, I’ll fix them…
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: but we really need a piece of work to comb thru the archives in a systematic way
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: I’ll see if I can do some of that over the holidays
[13:24] Cindy Ecksol: reember, the archivist can’t do anything with a public source
[13:24] Trebor Warcliffe: So Cindy will retain the position of archivist?
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: as there does not seem to be any objections I´m appointing Cindy for RA archivist now
[13:24] Cindy Ecksol: so even though I remember that we passed a law saying that the RA had to hold a meeting within a week, I have no SOURCE for that without the transcript and can’t update the portal
[13:25] Trebor Warcliffe: Very good.
[13:25] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:25] Cindy Ecksol: I keep meaning to ask Rose for that transcript and forgetting, but I will try to remember
[13:25] Fern Leissa: Thank you Cindy
[13:25] Cindy Ecksol: yw
[13:25] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes thank you Cindy
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: thank you Cindy
[13:26] Cindy Ecksol: BTW, for what it’s worth the software for managing the portal is (to use an Englishism) bloody awful
[13:26] Pip Torok: now now! )
[13:26] Cindy Ecksol: really takes an expert to figure it all out unfortunately
[13:26] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:26] Mikelo Serevi: this is not phpbb, but the other one?
[13:26] Delia Lake: what software is it?
[13:26] Cindy Ecksol: no, not phpbb….the software being used to maintain the web site
[13:27] Cindy Ecksol: editing a page is downright archaic
[13:27] Delia Lake: do you recall what software is used to maintain the CDS site?
[13:28] Pip Torok remembers a source-editor that _was_ bloody awful …..
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: can we move to the next item on the agenda? we are about to run out of time I think
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: In my opinion we got a lot of work done last term due to our several commissions. So I´d like to continue at least a few of them.
[13:28] Mikelo Serevi: We could also table until next time
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: sure I don´t plan to make us do overtime
[13:29] Cindy Ecksol: I’ll dig it out delia — dont’ remember offhand. but the editor is as Pip describes it
[13:29] Mikelo Serevi: I’m ok either way, depending on how others feel
[13:30] Fern Leissa: I could stay about 20 min more, if others can
[13:30] Cindy Ecksol: (for the record the portal software is TYPO3
[13:30] Trebor Warcliffe: Does anyone have a list of the commissions from last term?
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: but would like to have a vote to continue at least with some commissions as thex did a good job
[13:30] Trebor Warcliffe: Communications
[13:30] Trebor Warcliffe: Finance
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: not handy Trebor
[13:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Commerce?
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: Covenant reviewing
[13:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Trying to remember them off the top of my head
[13:31] Cindy Ecksol: Lil, could we find out which commissions still have a list of things to do?
[13:31] Cindy Ecksol: maybe get a report from eac at the next meeting and authorize the ones that have not finished their work?
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: the Covenant commision just started at the end of the term
[13:31] Cindy Ecksol: or perhaps that have new projects.
[13:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Thinks Covenant Review should be HIGH on the list.
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: and I think it´s important for it to continue
[13:32] Mikelo Serevi: My only concern with these is that they pulled most discussion out of the RA
[13:32] Cindy Ecksol: yes, Covenant commission would be one….we KNOW that has new work
[13:32] Pip Torok again agrees with Trebor …
[13:32] Cindy Ecksol: Mik, they SHOULD pull discussion out…and then publish it on forums
[13:32] Cindy Ecksol: takes too much time here
[13:32] Trebor Warcliffe: Mikelo in a way they may have but…
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: and I also found a vict …volunteer already who is willing to chair it
[13:32] Cindy Ecksol: that’s the whole point — they discuss, the community debates, they report recommendations, and we vote
[13:32] Trebor Warcliffe: They allowed a lot to be accomplished which brought to the table for the RA
[13:32] Cindy Ecksol: exactly Treb
[13:33] Trebor Warcliffe: So the RA didn’t have to spend endless hours dealing withit
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: any RA membber is free to go to the commission meetings
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Trebor
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: but will we?
[13:33] Trebor Warcliffe: And it allowed hte citizens, govt officials or not to contribute
[13:33] Pip Torok: exactly
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: I’m not sure activity is good just for its own sake
[13:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Its not for its own sake
[13:34] Mikelo Serevi: but anyone can contribute here as well
[13:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes and no
[13:34] Cindy Ecksol: Mik, if we DON’T go, it’s our own darn fault….
[13:34] Pip Torok: “just for its own sake”? … don’t quite understand …
[13:34] Fern Leissa: So far, I like the idea of taking it “out” to the community, but I think we also need to allow the ra adequate time to digest
[13:34] Cindy Ecksol: that’s where the detail work is done — they can spend a whole hour discussing one issue and then the next meeting on just ONE issue…until they have a set of recommendations
[13:34] Mikelo Serevi: that’s what I mean, fern
[13:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Agree
[13:34] Cindy Ecksol: we don’t have time for that here
[13:35] Cindy Ecksol: so those of us who are interested and want to give input, we’ll go….
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: the Commision chair will give a report to the RA at every meeting anyway
[13:35] Cindy Ecksol: and not complain that we “didn’t have input” if we don’t show up
[13:35] Cindy Ecksol: or at least hand a notecard to the commission chair
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[13:35] Trebor Warcliffe: Many of us are limited on our inworld time
[13:35] Mikelo Serevi: My feeling was the commissions were taking policy formation out of here
[13:35] Fern Leissa: We have time for discussion … but yes main issues and concerns could be worked out in the comission mtgs
[13:35] Cindy Ecksol: then hand a notecard with your concerns to the chair. or comment on the forums
[13:35] Mikelo Serevi: then they came back for a rubber stamp with last term’s majority
[13:36] Trebor Warcliffe: It’s my understanding that the RA still has to approve whatecer the commission proposes Mikelo
[13:36] Cindy Ecksol: well, that’s how it works in a democracy…
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: right Trebor
[13:36] Cindy Ecksol: it’s not a “rubber stamp”, RA could turn down their proposals
[13:36] Trebor Warcliffe: The commision brings the RA a proposal and the RA acts on it
[13:36] Mikelo Serevi: it was last term
[13:36] Cindy Ecksol: or modify…and sometimes we DID
[13:36] Pip Torok: they don’t “come back for a rubberstamp” imho, Mikelo
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: and we still had a lot of work bringing the proposals in a acceptable shape
[13:37] Tor Karlsvalt recalls wide support for all the laws passed, including from Gwyn, pip and Arria
[13:37] Fern Leissa: Yeah. Comissions but no rubberstamping. We need a balance btw efficienty and discussion
[13:37] Mikelo Serevi: I’m not saying I’m against commissions, I’ve been on them
[13:37] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Fern
[13:37] Trebor Warcliffe: And ANYONE can join a commisision, citizens and RA members alike
[13:38] Pip Torok: … its big strength ….
[13:38] Delia Lake: for what it’s worth, my recollection is that last term RA commission chairs reported their progress at just about every RA meeting
[13:38] Trebor Warcliffe: Thats what I remember reading the transcripts
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: right and I´m going to continue that
[13:38] Pip Torok: mine too…
[13:38] Delia Lake: and that there was RA discussion almost every time
[13:39] Trebor Warcliffe: Last term I wasnt able to come to RA meetings much.
[13:39] Trebor Warcliffe: The transcripts were a lifesaver for me.
[13:39] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:39] Mikelo Serevi: I’m just saying, maybe not a commission for every little thing
[13:40] Cindy Ecksol: well, the things we have commissions for are generally BIG things that can’t easily be debated in the time we have here
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: I only have two on my agenda right now anyway
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: true lilith
[13:40] Trebor Warcliffe: Good point. Think about it though if its a commission for something “little” its probably not going to get support anyhow.
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: we can talk about more next time
[13:40] Cindy Ecksol: commissions are a chance to air all kinds of options and filter them down to the ones that seem the best
[13:40] Pip Torok: one way, Mikelo, is to propose “ad-hoc” commission only if and when the need arises …
[13:40] Cindy Ecksol: at least to those who participate in the commission
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: so are you all ok with me motion to continue the covenant with Fern as chair?
[13:41] Pip Torok: seems so!
[13:42] Fern Leissa: Hello. Who was chair before?
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: it was Keila but a RA member has to be chair
[13:42] Cindy Ecksol: I move that we continue the Covenant Commission with Fern Leissa as chair
[13:42] Cindy Ecksol: second?
[13:42] Fern Leissa: But she would know what’s been done?
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: she agreed to continue working in that commision
[13:42] Pip Torok: second
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: all in favor say aye please
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt: it is in the transcripts.
[13:43] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:43] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[13:43] Pip Torok: aye
[13:43] Trebor Warcliffe: Last term Rose posted a link on the Forums for a Covenant Review. I’ve found it quite handy in my studies of the covenants.
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: fern?
[13:43] Cindy Ecksol: can you share treb?
[13:43] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Natually, the exec well help in anyway.
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:43] Trebor Warcliffe: Let me go look for it, back in a sec.
[13:43] Fern Leissa: Ok Thank you Tor
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: concrats fern
[13:44] Cindy Ecksol applauds
[13:44] Pip Torok: ]/me claps too
[13:44] Fern Leissa: tx Cindy
[13:44] Fern Leissa:
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: the other commission I´d like to continue is the Commerce Commision
[13:44] Cindy Ecksol: Lil, can we ask other commissions for a brief report on their current “work in progress” for next meeting and then vote whether to continue each?
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: sure I can invite the commision chairs to our next meeting
[13:45] Cindy Ecksol: I need to know more about what the others are up to before I’m ready to vote
[13:45] Cindy Ecksol: does’t even need to be an “in person” report — a notecard will do
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: ok I´ll take care about that
[13:45] Mikelo Serevi: this seems reasonable
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: the other commision I wanted to vote for now is the Commerce commission
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: I was the cair befor but can´t do it now as LRA
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: there is still a lot to do to increase commerce
[13:46] Cindy Ecksol is not ready to vote on that without more info
[13:46] Fern Leissa: I agree with Cindy
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: and it would be a good change for the community to work with the Commerce coordinator
[13:47] Trebor Warcliffe: Heres the forum posting with all the links.
[13:47] Trebor Warcliffe: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3105
[13:47] Cindy Ecksol: let’s get an “upcoming items” agenda from each commission and do the reauthorizations next time
[13:47] Pip Torok: errrm circular argument? … no commission with info on commerce, to be provided by a commission????
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: ok sounds ok for me
[13:48] Fern Leissa: I als wonder if some commerce issue might not be in Tor’s area of responsibility. Need clarification
[13:48] Lilith Ivory: we might have to vote for more commisions anyway
[13:48] Mikelo Serevi: people already sell here, what more is needed?
[13:48] Trebor Warcliffe: To actually make some sales maybe?
[13:48] Lilith Ivory: the problem is they don´t sell much
[13:48] Cindy Ecksol: ok…let’s table this until we see what’s on the current agenda of the commerce commission
[13:49] Cindy Ecksol: if we don’t like the agenda, we can refuse to reauthorize
[13:49] Cindy Ecksol: that’s how democracy works
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: ok anybody in favor for tabling it say aye please
[13:49] Trebor Warcliffe: I would encourage all to dig through the forums and read the transcripts from the Commission meetings you are curious about.
[13:49] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:49] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:49] Trebor Warcliffe: I found all of them to be quite informative
[13:50] Pip Torok: aye
[13:50] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:50] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: ok we table it till next time
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: (reminds me I forgot a item on the agenda lol)
[13:51] Beathan Vale: good to see that we are using the word “table” like Americans and not like Brits
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: uhm I try to use it somehow as it´s not familiar for me poor german
[13:52] Beathan Vale: the ambiguities of rules of order in international meetings
[13:52] Trebor Warcliffe: lol
[13:52] Pip Torok: (earlier, had meant to say, circular argument : we have no commission, because to have one, we would need information that only a commission on commerce could provide … …)
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:52] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, yes
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: what do you think about the online indicator boards?
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: do we want to keep them?
[13:53] Trebor Warcliffe: What are they?
[13:53] Mikelo Serevi: like the ones outside?
[13:53] Trebor Warcliffe: Oh for the RA members
[13:53] Trebor Warcliffe: If they’re online
[13:53] Cindy Ecksol: I don’t think I EVERY got a tap from them…but seems like a good idea
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: boards that show which RA members are online at the moment
[13:53] Cindy Ecksol: *EVER
[13:53] Trebor Warcliffe: As a citizen I like htem
[13:54] Trebor Warcliffe: Because they do show who ever visits who our elected officials are
[13:54] Mikelo Serevi: They seem good, as long as someone is willing to maintain them
[13:54] Pip Torok: I’m happy with them even though I’m generally at the receiving end …
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: I always liked them but now as I might be responsible for updating them I like them a little less
[13:54] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:54] Trebor Warcliffe: hehe
[13:54] Pip Torok: )
[13:55] Mikelo Serevi: At least it’s fewer now
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: will have to wait till the byelection is over anyway
[13:55] Trebor Warcliffe:
[13:55] Trebor Warcliffe: hoping
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: seems you are all in favor?
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: let´s vote so it´s all correct hehe
[13:55] Pip Torok: it seems we are!
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: all in favor say aye please
[13:56] Mikelo Serevi: sounds like a second, aye
[13:56] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:56] Pip Torok: I propose we continue Online indicator boards
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: do I hear a second?
[13:57] Cindy Ecksol: second
[13:57] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[13:57] Cindy Ecksol whispers: lol!
[13:57] Pip Torok: aye
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: /giggles
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:57] Mikelo Serevi: re-aye
[13:57] Pip Torok: I think we’ve been shaken not stirred!
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: ok I´ll have to find out how updated the board last
[13:58] Cindy Ecksol: I think we gave cards to Sudane and she did it, no?
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: think so also
[13:58] Mikelo Serevi: rudeen owns it
[13:59] Delia Lake: question and suggestion. might the Chancellor be added to the board also? it might be really helpful to folks to see whether the Chancellor is inworld
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: I´ll ask to give the cards and pics to Rudeen when we are complete
[13:59] Trebor Warcliffe: I like htat idea
[13:59] Mikelo Serevi: that makes sense
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: I have no objection to that.
[13:59] Pip Torok: an excellent idea imo
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: I´d like that also
[14:00] Delia Lake: this may take a slight reconfiguration but might be worth doing
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: and would support it.
[14:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Just list the Chancellor first on the board
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: possibly the PIO as well.
[14:00] Pip Torok: I propose the Chancellors name be added to the online Indicator Board
[14:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Another good point
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: yes
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: we have some space left now :9
[14:01] Delia Lake: then people who need help with CDS things could find people easily
[14:01] Trebor Warcliffe: yup
[14:01] Pip Torok: anyone second my proposal?
[14:01] Mikelo Serevi: 2nd
[14:02] Pip Torok: move to vote
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: all in favor to add Chancellor and Pio to the board say aye pülease
[14:02] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[14:02] Pip Torok: aye
[14:02] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:02] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: aye
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: motion carries
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: any concerns of RA members left?
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt my last bit of peace flies away on the wind.
[14:03] Cindy Ecksol:
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[14:03] Fern Leissa: hehe
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: before we move to anouncements I´d like to know when to meet next
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: what do you think?
[14:04] Cindy Ecksol: after new year’s for sure!
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: yes I agree
[14:04] Mikelo Serevi: the 2nd?
[14:04] Trebor Warcliffe: 2nd a Sunday?
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: I still hope to be travelling on the 2rd
[14:05] Pip Torok: what day is the 2nd?
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: two weeks
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: sunday
[14:05] Tor Karlsvalt: sunday?
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: even if snow messes with flight plans at the moment
[14:05] Trebor Warcliffe: As a citizen I like the 2nd
[14:05] Pip Torok: agree … Sunday 2nd at noon?
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: I won´t be there most likely
[14:05] Beathan Vale: I don’t like a hungover RA —
[14:05] Cindy Ecksol: I think I can do that…..
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: lol beathan
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: HEY GUYS!
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: I can´t come on 2rd
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: ok, so no LRA… the next week?
[14:06] Pip Torok: hmmmmm
[14:06] Cindy Ecksol: ok….how about 9th?
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: yes that would work for me
[14:06] Pip Torok: perhaps Cindy might care to sit-in as deputy?
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: I´m sorry for the delay
[14:06] Fern Leissa: 9th is fine
[14:06] Cindy Ecksol: well, I could sit in on second, but I can’t make it on 9th
[14:06] Cindy Ecksol: sounds like others have issues with the 2nd also
[14:06] Trebor Warcliffe: work on the 9th cant attend
[14:07] Pip Torok: (Trebor, that assumes you will habe been elected !! ))
[14:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Even as a citizen
[14:07] Trebor Warcliffe: lol
[14:07] Trebor Warcliffe: I hope im elected byt not counting my chickens before they hatch
[14:08] Cindy Ecksol: oh…right
[14:08] Lilith Ivory: Cindy would you be willing to sit in as deputy on 2rd?
[14:08] Cindy Ecksol: I could do the 2nd
[14:08] Delia Lake: i’m hoping folks are voting. i’ll send out a reminder again in a few min
[14:08] Cindy Ecksol: wil we have enough for a quorum?
[14:08] Lilith Ivory: if it continues snowing I might be able to be here just can´t make promises
[14:08] Mikelo Serevi: it sounds like it
[14:08] Cindy Ecksol: heh heh!
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: Gwyn might be back sometimes also
[14:09] Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you Delia
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: so should we/you meet on 2rd with Cindy as deputy?
[14:10] Cindy Ecksol: ok, so meeting on the 2nd….let’s put it on the calendar
[14:10] Cindy Ecksol: Lil, make sure you give me an agenda…
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: I will
[14:10] Cindy Ecksol: at least as much as you know
[14:11] Pip Torok: i’m just glad it will be at 8pm so I’ll be less hung-over ….
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: yes will care about it before I hopefully fly to US
[14:11] Cindy Ecksol: if we’re done with this, I have a brief announcement….
[14:11] Pip Torok: (8pm english-time that is)
[14:11] Cindy Ecksol: ah, where are you going to be in US Lil?
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: yea I hope to be in Ohio
[14:11] Trebor Warcliffe: brrrr cold
[14:12] Lilith Ivory: but at the moment airports are about to close
[14:12] Tor Karlsvalt: oh Europe is having bad weather.
[14:12] Lilith Ivory: yea more snow than we can handle
[14:12] Pip Torok: “a brief announcement”, Cindy?
[14:12] Cindy Ecksol: yep….
[14:13] Cindy Ecksol: for those who missed my Christmas concert in CDS a couple of weeks ago, I’ll be dooing one at Music Island this evening at 5pm SLT
[14:13] Cindy Ecksol: so come on over and bring friends
[14:13] Pip Torok:
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: good.
[14:13] Cindy Ecksol: we’ll be warm ad cozy there….
[14:13] Fern Leissa:
[14:13] Delia Lake: yes, comd sing with Cindy at Music Island tonight!
[14:13] Mikelo Serevi: nice
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: it’s a date
[14:13] Delia Lake: i’ll put out hot cider and mulled wine )
[14:14] Mikelo Serevi: I’m not sure I can go, but I’ll try
[14:14] Pip Torok: (shame it’ll be at 1am London-time!:)
[14:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Cindy did a nice show on the 5th.
[14:14] Pip Torok: yes !
[14:14] Delia Lake: plug in your earphones and listen from bed, Pip?
[14:14] Cindy Ecksol: great!
[14:14] Cindy Ecksol: will be happy to see you all there…
[14:14] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:14] Fern Leissa: Under the stars
[14:14] Pip Torok: might well do ….!
[14:15] Delia Lake: you all have LM’s?
[14:15] Fern Leissa: yes
[14:15] Mikelo Serevi: I do
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: no I don´t think so
[14:15] Pip Torok: yes …
[14:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Try to make it to the Lyons Concert this Wednesday too.
[14:15] Delia Lake: yes, do come to hear Craig. he is very good also
[14:15] Cindy Ecksol will be traveling and my father-in-law still lives in the age of dial up
[14:16] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:16] Mikelo Serevi: :-@
[14:16] Lilith Ivory: thank you
[14:16] Delia Lake: smartphone + tether
[14:16] Tor Karlsvalt: Buy him a 4G wireless connection for christmas.
[14:16] Lilith Ivory: should we adjourn now?
[14:16] Tor Karlsvalt: ah yes Delia good idea.
[14:17] Mikelo Serevi: second
[14:17] Pip Torok: move to vote!!
[14:17] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[14:17] Pip Torok: aye
[14:17] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: aye
[14:18] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[14:18] Cindy Ecksol: (nice job Lil)
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: we are adjourned now
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: pew
[14:18] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[14:18] Pip Torok: agree!
[14:18] Mikelo Serevi: it went well
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: yes thank you all!
[14:19] Fern Leissa: Great Lilith
[14:19] Cindy Ecksol: oh, forgot to mention that I have e-mail addresses for everyone I think…I’ll put them on a notecard and distribute
[14:20] Tor Karlsvalt: good idea

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Transcript RA Meeting January 2nd 2011 noon PDT — 1 of 2
by Pip Torok » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:56 am
[11:58] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Mikelo Serevi (6m), Guillaume Mistwalker (8m)
[11:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, I see
[11:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: I wasn’t sure if I was early
[11:58] Pip Torok: hi G hi M
[11:58] Mikelo Serevi: hi pip
[11:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Pip
[11:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: I suppose I was stand where you normally do
[12:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm.. no agenda for the meeting?
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: it probably hasn’t been put in the box yet
[12:01] Pip Torok: unless theres an agnda in the urn..
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: I think we’re going to swear you in, pass the budget, and talk about commissions
[12:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see.
[12:02] Pip Torok: sounds like it
[12:02] Pip Torok: I didnt know whether bromo wd put something in
[12:02] Pip Torok: sorry beahan
[12:02] Pip Torok: hi Tor!!
[12:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Tor ツ
[12:03] Pip Torok: did you see my forums post to yours?
[12:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi All
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: it’s our fearless leader
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: 
[12:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Haha
[12:04] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh, been out fighting dragons.
[12:04] Tor Karlsvalt: ooo left my coffee, brb
[12:04] Pip Torok: you must tell me what nd’alnobai means
[12:04] Pip Torok: ah .. caffeine-starvation … gets to us all
[12:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, it means “I am Abenaki”
[12:05] Pip Torok: ah!
[12:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: I’m I still wearing that? Haha
[12:05] Tor Karlsvalt: b
[12:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Welcome back, Tor
[12:06] Pip Torok: well lets see who’s online ….
[12:06] Tor Karlsvalt remembered he had a freeky title on.
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Cindy said she could not make it.
[12:07] Pip Torok: hi Fern … coming to the RA meeting?
[12:07] Pip Torok: ah!!
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Fern!
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Fern ツ
[12:07] Fern Leissa: Hello everyone. Very sorry to be late
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Well with four we have a quarum
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, we do
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: at least with Guillaume.
[12:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: Very true…!
[12:08] Mikelo Serevi: once he’s sworn in
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Can we come to order before that?
[12:08] Mikelo Serevi: although I don’t think the chancellor can make a quorum
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt: no not me
[12:08] Fern Leissa: Isn’t Cindy supposed to be standing in for Lilith?
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt: just asking.
[12:08] Pip Torok: nope .. the one thing he cannot do …
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt: i think she was Fern.
[12:08] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:08] Pip Torok: ah …
[12:08] Mikelo Serevi: well, I’m inclined to wait for lilith and others
[12:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Lilith is traveling.
[12:09] Mikelo Serevi: oh, hi fern 
[12:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: Even if they don’t come…?
[12:09] Fern Leissa: Lilith is out of town I think
[12:09] Tor Karlsvalt: she is in Ohio.
[12:09] Mikelo Serevi: that’s right, cindy was standing in
[12:09] Pip Torok: thats right
[12:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: So.. we need a deputy, deputy LRA?
[12:09] Fern Leissa: Right. That sounds like what I remember
[12:09] Pip Torok: well cindy was the deputy?
[12:10] Mikelo Serevi: I think she volunteered to stand in anyway
[12:10] Fern Leissa: Hi Mikelo 
[12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Cali intends to be here to administer the oath to Guillaume
[12:10] Pip Torok: well we cant swear g in until another arrives …
[12:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, thank you Tor
[12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Alas, I don’t see Cali online
[12:10] Pip Torok: as were not technically a quorum yet
[12:11] Tor Karlsvalt: no Delia either.
[12:11] Mikelo Serevi: thanks for your thoughtful response in the forum, fern. I haven’t had time to respond yet
[12:11] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we can just have a discussion.
[12:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Does there need to be a quorum to swear one in?
[12:11] Pip Torok: yes ….
[12:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: An interesting provision…
[12:11] Mikelo Serevi: It seems proper anyway
[12:11] Pip Torok: yes because we can only swear someone in when were in full session
[12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: sort of a snag.
[12:12] Mikelo Serevi: but if we have no quorum, there will be no voting anyway
[12:12] Pip Torok: but lets discuss!
[12:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see, but what if it’s the beginning of a term?
[12:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Mikelo
[12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Well the SC swears in the new RA.
[12:12] Pip Torok: thats not relevant as far as i know
[12:12] Mikelo Serevi: that’s why we get sworn in quickly, I imagine
[12:12] Pip Torok: lol …
[12:12] Fern Leissa: np Mikelo. Haven’t seen you in much. Pretty busy?
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: yes, hectic, moving into a new place
[12:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: gee I have two houses.
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: I think I will keep my mom’s
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: but geesh
[12:13] Pip Torok: wheres your second house, Tor?
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: oh I have a condo
[12:14] Mikelo Serevi: lots of housekeeping, I imagine
[12:14] Pip Torok: (er I meant in SL!:)
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: but been living at my moms and running over to the condo all the time for stuff
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: oh on the mainland.
[12:14] Pip Torok: ah
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: in Vitersonus.
[12:14] Mikelo Serevi: oh, that’s rough, two houses
[12:14] Mikelo Serevi: I mean RL
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: bad time to think of selling one. to
[12:14] Fern Leissa: rls sl yikes. I’m lost
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: too
[12:15] Mikelo Serevi: I left my fave tweezers in the apt too ;-(
[12:15] Fern Leissa: I just sent Delia an Im in case she’s checking her email
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: ahah
[12:15] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:15] Pip Torok: I cd try to skype Cindy ….
[12:15] Fern Leissa: kk
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Shoot sometimes I am in a store and figure, oh easier t buy another
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: than to keep running between homes.
[12:15] Mikelo Serevi: yes, probably
[12:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: Perhaps
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: gee no cali yet
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: does your condo have an attached garage?
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: yes it does, Mik
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: and heated
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: the one thing i miss at my mom’s house.
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: ok, so hard to make a choice between th e house and condo
[12:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: There’s Calli
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Cali
[12:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I’d like a condo, actually.. I like smaller places
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: I like both mik, pros and cons for each.
[12:17] Mikelo Serevi: yes, yard work sux
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, it does…!
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: i sort of did it anyway for my mom, so no change.
[12:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: with a condo, no raking no shoveling snow..
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: and her lot is small, in the city.
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: right guill
[12:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, that’s good
[12:18] Fern Leissa: Tell that to new york 
[12:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha!
[12:18] Mikelo Serevi: hi calli
[12:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Calli
[12:18] Callipygian Christensen: hello..I am late
[12:18] Fern Leissa: Hi Calli
[12:18] Pip Torok: no answer from cindy on skype
[12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: No Cali, not really late
[12:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: That’s ok, we were just discussing homes versus condos
[12:18] Callipygian Christensen: Delia asked me to come today and administer the oath for Guillaume
[12:19] Mikelo Serevi: it’s a diffucult time of year for a meeting
[12:19] Callipygian Christensen: Cindy said earlier she wouldnt be here Pip, at a RL funeral
[12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: They aren’t sure if they can come to session withoiut a quarum.
[12:19] Pip Torok: ah .. well till g’s is swrn in were on yet in full session .. doesnt that affect the issue calli?
[12:19] Mikelo Serevi: well, people were sworn in at the ball before…
[12:20] Pip Torok: ok then lets do it!
[12:20] Callipygian Christensen: I dont believe you need a quorum for the taking of an oath
[12:20] Fern Leissa: Good point
[12:20] Callipygian Christensen: just a few witnesses
[12:20] Guillaume Mistwalker: I sure hope not, but that’s regardless
[12:20] Callipygian Christensen: I havent been a cloud in ages
[12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: I see you
[12:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hah, you’re normal to me
[12:21] Pip Torok: do do I
[12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: i see you fine
[12:21] Fern Leissa: yeah. You look fine to be Calli. No cloud
[12:21] Pip Torok: so do i
[12:21] Callipygian Christensen: hmmm
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: I actually ruthed somehow a couple of months ago
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: I didn’t think that was still possible
[12:21] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:21] Pip Torok: nor me! 
[12:22] Fern Leissa: scary
[12:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: That must be an interesting site…!
[12:22] Pip Torok: so shall we do it then, Calli?
[12:22] Callipygian Christensen: I believe so Pip, you will all act as witnesses 
[12:23] Callipygian Christensen: I don’t believe there is a tradition of placing a hand on anything Guillaume..so perhaps just stand?
[12:23] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes ma’am
[12:23] Callipygian Christensen: Please repeat after me:
[12:24] Callipygian Christensen: I, Guilluame Mistwalker, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: I, Guillaume Mistwalker, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:25] Pip Torok: APPLAUSE …..
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: ♪♫♥ Applauds!!! ♥♫♪
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[12:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: ツ
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: yay, tie-breaker
[12:25] Callipygian Christensen smiles..congratulations
[12:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you, Madam ツ
[12:25] Fern Leissa: Applause applause !!!!!!!!!!!!1111
[12:25] Pip Torok: and now we are four!
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: woot!
[12:25] Callipygian Christensen: Although not in session, could someone ensure this is sent as a log to your archivist?
[12:26] Pip Torok: ok i’ll be deputy LRA if we need one …
[12:26] Pip Torok: certainly
[12:26] Mikelo Serevi: I’m fine with that
[12:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: I am as well
[12:26] Fern Leissa: yes. Thanks Pip
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Nice duds too Guillaume!
[12:27] Pip Torok: right … well we are short of an agenda …
[12:27] Callipygian Christensen: ok, so Pip, you’ll send it to the archivist?
[12:27] Pip Torok: so i’ll ask you if there are urgent issues youd like to bring up right now
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thanks, Tor
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: I have none, Pip
[12:28] Callipygian Christensen: I hate to administer and run, but RL has me busy this afternoon
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: well, there is the budget, but maybe we should all discuss it next time?
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Ok thanks Cali
[12:28] Pip Torok: ok then … i suggest we talk about how we feel about Commissions
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: cu calli
[12:28] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you Calli
[12:28] Callipygian Christensen: darn..Id be interested in that discussion..bye everyone
[12:28] Pip Torok: I _personally_ are happy with the arrangement .. but only if the rest of you are
[12:29] Mikelo Serevi: you mean the current number of commissions?
[12:29] Pip Torok: well commissions in principle for the moment … details afterwards
[12:29] Fern Leissa: I have to say that I prefer we limit commissions to specific tasks
[12:30] Mikelo Serevi: well, I think they can be very useful and a time-saver
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, to both
[12:30] Pip Torok: I agree … Mikelo, guillaume?
[12:30] Fern Leissa: And in some cases I wonder if responsibility doesn’t belong more with the exe branch
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Do pardon me for asking, but what commissions are we specifically talking about?
[12:30] Fern Leissa: I think my biggest concern is the Commerce Commission
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: well, I don’t think we should push too much power to exe (no offense tor)
[12:31] Pip Torok: just what I was thinking … too many “ad hoc” commissions is definitely a danger
[12:31] Fern Leissa: If we have one… what do we want it to do that is different from what Tor would be looking after?
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: 
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: problem
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: although, yes Pip, as I’ve said, I think we have too many commissions atm
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: waht was your concern about the commerce commisssion, Fern?
[12:32] Pip Torok: ok … does anyone have the current list?
[12:32] Fern Leissa: I think I wan its mission to be more defined
[12:32] Fern Leissa: Not just get commerce going… but specifically…???
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: I think commerce is a concern that CDS has struggled with for along time.
[12:32] Pip Torok: well theres the commission to be on covenants
[12:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Covenants need work.
[12:33] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, which is why I think Fern’s right about defining its tast
[12:33] Guillaume Mistwalker: So, we have the commerce and covenant commissions…
[12:33] Fern Leissa: What several merchants said to me was …”another commission won’t do any good. We keep having them but nothing happens.”
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: yes, the covenants one is important, to clarify that tier is due, for one thing
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: lol Fern
[12:33] Guillaume Mistwalker: Is the citizenship commission stil about?
[12:33] Pip Torok: in fact the tighter the definition of a given commission and its aims is imo crucial
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: what is the problem, that there isn’t enough traffic to sell here?
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: can I introduce something?
[12:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: I think that’s true, Mik
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: the citizenship one passed a bill last time
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: re citizenship?
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: or last term
[12:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, ok
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: let me find it
[12:34] Pip Torok: I think so Mikelo .. but i’d like to see a concrete putcome and aim for each commission , especially that of commeerce
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: Well, I personally think that democracy and commerce are somewhat at odds
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: so I’d like to see the goals, too
[12:35] Pip Torok: otherwise its talk that gets nowhere
[12:35] Pip Torok: a good subject to bring up in that commission imho mikelo!!
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: I mean, selling is something that people do in SL, but it isn’t the only thing
[12:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: perhaps the RA should plan more about what the Commerce Commission will do, and divide into sub-commissions from there?
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Really Mikelo, I think it was the business class that began pushing for more say in parliament.
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: or even German freetowns.
[12:37] Pip Torok: Pat once made the point that we in CDS are a democracy, true, but beyond that we are other things … builder, merchant, musician etc
[12:37] Mikelo Serevi: I’m not saying I’m anti-commerce at all
[12:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Pip, we should focus on joining many communities, too..
[12:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: musicians, builders, etc.
[12:38] Mikelo Serevi: I try to patronize CDS merchants, too
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: We already get a few musicians and artists, now we need the rest…
[12:38] Pip Torok: lets devise an aim for the commerce commission … I propose “how to increase trading revenue to CDS” for starters
[12:38] Fern Leissa: I think people have a question about what the can sell here. That may be something we have to straighten out
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: I do too, Mikelo
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: And government should assits those endeavors.
[12:38] Fern Leissa: One person told me she though she couldn’t sell her stuff here cuz it wasnt roman
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm…
[12:39] Mikelo Serevi: Well, maybe we can ask the proposed commerce commission to present their goals to us? I don’t want to second-guess them
[12:39] Mikelo Serevi: Although traffic seems to be a factor in selling
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: I think that isn’t true Fern.
[12:39] Pip Torok: now that i’d like to hear from the person concerned …
[12:39] Fern Leissa: Not sure that is something in the covenants. I haven’t seen that, but apparently at least there has been some discussion along those lines
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Several people are selling non-roman stuff.
[12:39] Mikelo Serevi: Oh, I see Fern
[12:40] Fern Leissa: Right. No I agree. And bunnies in roman times… well they would have been dinner not pets 
[12:40] Pip Torok: ok … then thats something for any covenant commission to tackle … do you agree?
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: haaha
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: even now they belong in pots.
[12:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: I agree, Pip
[12:40] Fern Leissa: Yes that’s a thought
[12:40] Fern Leissa: hey !
[12:40] Pip Torok: (and ppl eat their pets.. and even boil them!;)
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: you mean they present to us what they want to do, and we consider, Pip?
[12:40] Fern Leissa: I have a pet bunny in rl !!!!
[12:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha!
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: oops
[12:41] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:41] Mikelo Serevi: got any pictures, Fern?
[12:41] Fern Leissa: But yes, I’ll try to introduce it in the covenant discussion
[12:41] Pip Torok: yes … well we should be considering the obstacles that traders find … and for that we need traders talking and grumbling to us
[12:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: That sounds like a good idea, Mik, but we should provide specific areas for the commission to ponder about
[12:41] Fern Leissa: pictures?? So yu can see if its fat enough for dinner . huum
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: 
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: Yes, like what Pip said. A plan and goals for the term
[12:42] Pip Torok: .. like “how to increase revenue from traders and trading” …
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: Fern, I’m a member of PETA 
[12:42] Pip Torok: PETA??
[12:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Wooo… Peta ツ
[12:42] Fern Leissa: Does anyone know what the history behind the lack of traffic in NFS is. That the vendors aren’t selling anything?
[12:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: People for the ethical treatment of animals
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: yes, an animal right group
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Bunny is good on peta bread.
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: rofl
[12:43] Fern Leissa: Really Mikelo?
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt speaks out of tern.

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Re: Transcript RA Meeting January 2nd 2011 noon PDT — 2 of
by Pip Torok » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:02 pm
[12:43] Pip Torok: well its a question of broadcasting our existence
[12:43] Fern Leissa: I heard that Tor 
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: 
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: It’s more than that I think, Tor…
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: It’s not only that, but also if we attract people
[12:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: *Pip, not Tor
[12:44] Fern Leissa: We have gotten a few new people.. like Rosie. But I think she gets hardly any traffic to her store
[12:44] Pip Torok: for example .. we should have traders like Rosie here now telling us what the problems as they see them are
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we are going to look into advertising in magazines for starters
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, good idea
[12:45] Fern Leissa: I agree we do need better advertising
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: or idea(s)
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: Also we should use our groups to advertise to our Friends of CDS
[12:45] Pip Torok: I do know she had traffic problems at her former place … so it may just be a SL-wide problem
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: Also we need to increase our group membership
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: so we have placed group inviters as various places in the sim and at Anzere.
[12:45] Pip Torok: ah .. im glad you mentioned that Tor
[12:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, citizenship’s dropped off alot, Tor
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: we have four new members for friens in the last two weeks
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: how much has it dropped?
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: also we have started using a subscribomatic
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: we had 206 members
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: now have 210
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: in the CDS group
[12:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, I remember when I was campaigning, it went down from 100+ to now 76 citizens
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: To attract people interested in government
[12:46] Fern Leissa: Yeah, that’s what I thought
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, interesting
[12:47] Fern Leissa: 76 citizens
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: i was going to ask the LRA is we could list RA meetings on the LL event calendar.
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: we have lots of friends of CDS
[12:47] Fern Leissa: That is a good idea. We are the main act at this moment lol
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: we need to remember that they are potiencial citizens
[12:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, they are
[12:47] Pip Torok: good idea Tor .. who do we see to get it done?
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: well I need the LRA as approval of course
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: as yoiu know you guys are the kings in this room.
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: representatives 
[12:48] Pip Torok: ok … can we suggest you do that Tor … it doesnt need a motion imo
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm…
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: But I and some other exec or volunteer should be on hand to greet non-citiznes and give them the rules.
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: I agree Pip
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: no right pip
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: jsut don’t want to spring stuff on you.
[12:49] Pip Torok: “no right Pip2??
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: yes, I’m a little concerned about randoms soming in and disrupting
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: but not too concerned
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: well that is an issue
[12:49] Pip Torok: i can greet noncitizens if you like ….
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: and I think some exec should be her to handle that sort of thing
[12:49] Fern Leissa: disrupting? we are our own worst distrupters 
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: i can volunteer to do the rulez thing if you like
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: but, maybe someone with eject privileges should be present as well, just in case
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: I know I visited often before buying in and enjoyed the meetings.
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: right mik
[12:50] Pip Torok: well if we are afraid of possible griefers we cd devise a boot-out-procedure
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: I know Lil has them still
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: I do
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: Anna
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: right, one warning, then adios
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree, Mikelo
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm… Is the group LV here?
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: Agreed, Mik
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: for non-citizens anyway
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: No this is Colonia Nove
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: noa
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, ok
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Nova geesh
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh btw,
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: I’m not sure if I have the rights, then
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: I have been working a bit with sudane and sonja to add event hosting rights to the LV and CN groups
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: We need to work on the group prerms a bit.
[12:52] Pip Torok: thats a point … we need to see Anna about putting you on the display, Guillaume
[12:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: Er… display?
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: oh yes, I will mention that to Anna.
[12:52] Fern Leissa: Guillaume on display??
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: for RA reps online
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: I think I am supposed to be there too
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: it’s outside the room here
[12:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: Oh, right
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: and the PIO too.
[12:53] Fern Leissa: ah dah  tx Mikelo
[12:53] Pip Torok: the ones outside the rathaus and other points
[12:53] Pip Torok: yes you are Tor
[12:53] Pip Torok: (ie should be on that display)
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Right
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane suggested that we try to get press reports in some of the SL mags.
[12:54] Guillaume Mistwalker: That’s true, I roleplayed with a group that did that and membership boomed…
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: that’s a good idea
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: So if anyone is doing something of interest, maybe we can work that up into an article.
[12:54] Pip Torok: ok then … now do we have any other issue other than commission to deal with at the meeting?
[12:55] Fern Leissa: I’m wondering how we get ourselves listed under the showcase tab. I’ve discovered a lot of places that way
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: well you could approve the list of sponsor locations.
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes Fern, we need to look at that.
[12:55] Pip Torok: if we do not I propose that we wind up the present meeting and ask lil to set the next meeting
[12:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: That’s true
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: Keila’s sim was on the showcase.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: she might know.
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: my main concern for that is how we attract people interested in democracy
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: can you guys approve the list of sponsor locations.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Right Mikelo.
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: Where is the list?
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: that is why I thoiught the RA meetings migh be of interest to some
[12:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key … 2YgO#gid=0
[12:56] Pip Torok: quite … cdnt see it on the Forums Tor
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: ok here is the link
[12:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: There you go
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3197
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: Maybe there is a problem Pip, but I see it.
[12:57] Fern Leissa: I agree with Tor. The meetings themselves might be interesting to people interested in seeing how democracy works in sl
[12:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: That’s true
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: but I did have the wrong link before, so maybe you looked before i fixed it.
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: this is what we discussed, about allowing citizenship through sponsorship
[12:58] Pip Torok: How do we feel about the name-plaque btw?
[12:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: It’s a very good idea, I’ve concidered it, myself.
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Well Mikelo, that is what CDSL 13-10 allows
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: we can do that or have one monument to sponsors.
[12:59] Pip Torok: should we allow ppl to remain anaymious for example?
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: yes, Arris’s citizenship bill
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, could on opt out of having a monument?
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: well true, they can.
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: Arria’s
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: anonymous? why would anyone want to hide?
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: I think just so we know who is a citizen, we should have something in public.
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, I would like to remain anonymous if I did do it, Mikelo
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: altough Sudane will be making a tier box for each.
[13:00] Pip Torok: modesty, for example
[13:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: oh, but this wasn’t open to citizens
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: right?
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: it was a path to citizenship
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: well I suppose citizens can, but it was intended to offer a new way for ppl to become citizens.
[13:00] Pip Torok: imho they shd elect to remain anonymous if they wish
[13:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: I don’t see how it wouldn’t be open to citizens
[13:01] Mikelo Serevi: the idea was to have it as a way for people to join without having to maintain land
[13:01] Pip Torok: ah … in that case, I withdraw the suggstion of anonymity …
[13:01] Pip Torok: there shd be visible badges of citizenship imo
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, i think it should be public.
[13:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm… fair enough
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: mainly because it is about gaining citizenship.
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: I would agree with knowing who is a citizen
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: You can bet btw, that I am not advocating a monument like the Christ in Rio.
[13:02] Pip Torok: well the SC certainly need to know!! ;|
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, the SC would know, by the tier boxes
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: True.
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: maybe that is enough.
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: still I can tie all of you to some land if I POKE! around.
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: That seems the most reasonable way to determine who is a citizen or not..
[13:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: That’s true
[13:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: Going to need alot of poking, for some ツ
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: well i just want it out there, we can discuss the details later.
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: I don’t think there is a huge rush for this.
[13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Though, as Tor suggested, we should discuss the locations people can sponsor
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: on this list, how many parcels are we talking?
[13:05] Pip Torok: certainly not
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: really not many
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: I understood that the monastery was one, divided up into 250M bits
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I think I listed about two things per sim
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: AM only has roads.
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: same for Monastery
[13:06] Pip Torok: well when we acquire another sim ……
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: I suggested the Rataus and Platz in NFS
[13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Could someone sponsor the lake in Monastery?
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: and The amphiteater and forum in CN
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: the Mundi in LA
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes guillaume
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: That woudl be good
[13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: We could also sponsor the temple in LA
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: it was right there and I didn’t see it!
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: I think it’s a good idea to give people inexpensive options, but if we offer too many, we will have more trouble selling land
[13:07] Pip Torok: well the way to go imo is to approach non-citizens first of all
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: ツ Glad to be of help
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: That’s true
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: To both points
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Well teh sponsorship doesn’t give anyone land rights.
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: We really need to push land.
[13:08] Mikelo Serevi: right, but we have had problems with group membership as a power base before…
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: I am thinking we need to discount parcels.
[13:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: Though, the other issue would be those who just want citizenship, really, and not the land
[13:08] Pip Torok: one point … do we have a mechanism to ensure that contribution s to a location are accounted for?
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Pip
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane will make a Tier box for each sponsor and attach it to what she calls a microplot.
[13:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I agree with the reducing the price of land
[13:09] Mikelo Serevi: I’d like to see how many people would be coming in for each of these locations
[13:09] Pip Torok: ok so the citizen can point to the particular improvement due to his subcription
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: I tihnk that is all it is Pip.
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Any one for selling naming rights
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: :
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: LOL
[13:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: And it will foster more citizenship-government co-operation
[13:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, we were talking about this earlier, Tor..
[13:10] Fern Leissa:  No please no naming rights
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Pip, you want the Pip Amphitheater?
[13:10] Pip Torok: agree guillaume
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: just kidding
[13:10] Pip Torok: no … imagine the confusion between that and the old Bowl!!! )
[13:10] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[13:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: The Lufthansa Kirche…
[13:10] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt tears up the contract with the cigarette company.
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: haha
[13:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: “Traveling to Heaven’s never been so cheap!”
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:11] Pip Torok: I propose we adjourn the meeting! … second?
[13:11] Fern Leissa: Second
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: did we ever come to order?
[13:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, but I think that the current list is good
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha.
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: i think you did
[13:12] Pip Torok: right g … your first ever vote …
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: informally, we rather did
[13:12] Pip Torok: call the question
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: so aye
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: I agree
[13:12] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Really this was a bad weekend for meetings.
[13:12] Pip Torok: aye
[13:13] Pip Torok: I suppose it was ….
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: (question, Pip?)
[13:13] Mikelo Serevi: thanks for standing in, pip
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, thank you
[13:13] Pip Torok: let me copy and paste this
[13:13] Pip Torok: ok .. tho its not a task i particularly like!
[13:13] Fern Leissa:  Thanks Pip
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: I wouldn’t either…!
[13:14] Pip Torok: meeting closed ….

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Transcript RA Meeting January 16th I
by Lilith Ivory » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:25 pm
[12:00] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi all
[12:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Pip
[12:00] Pip Torok: hi G hi all
[12:01] Tor Karlsvalt: Seem Anzere was attaced by a griefer.
[12:01] Pip Torok: ??!
[12:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: As have the forums, lately…
[12:01] Pip Torok: mmm
[12:01] Rosie Gray: everything sorted now Tor?
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: odd
[12:01] Arria Perreault: Hi Everybody
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: I’ve only seen one griefer at CDS before
[12:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello Arria
[12:02] Tor Karlsvalt: It has happened before, same sort of an attack
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: hi arria
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: Hi Arria
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: they kind of do the same sort of things…
[12:02] Tor Karlsvalt: lots of huge blocks.
[12:02] Arria Perreault: Hi everybody. Happy New Year!
[12:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Calli
[12:02] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: lol, how original
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: yes! Happy new year from me also
[12:03] Callipygian Christensen: Hi Guillaume, everyone else
[12:03] Fern Leissa: Yes. Hello everyone
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: hmmm … who is missing?
[12:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Fern
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: ah Cindy
[12:03] Fern Leissa: Hi Guillaume
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: do we know wether Cindy is going to come?
[12:04] Callipygian Christensen: hi Soro
[12:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hey! Soro
[12:05] Mikelo Serevi: I guess we’ll see about Cindy
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: yes
[12:06] Soro Dagostino: Hello All.
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: ok as we have a quorum we should start the meeting I think
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: Agenda is in the box
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: and of course the meeting will be transcripted
[12:06] Gwyneth Lewellen says hi and apologises for being afk’ish
[12:07] Pip Torok: hi Gwyn …
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: Calli do you want to swear Gwyn in now?
[12:07] Mikelo Serevi: np gwyn, and hi
[12:07] Callipygian Christensen: Madame Chair..perhaps we can dispense with the swearing ..at least the swearing in – first?
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: me too on the afk’ish
[12:07] Gwyneth Lewellen: Mh.
[12:07] Pip Torok: any reason calli?
[12:08] Callipygian Christensen: Pip..I suspect Gwyn needs to be swornin before things become official for her? I may be mistaken
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: sure if there is a reason
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: yes that´s why I asked you to swear Gwyn in
[12:09] Pip Torok: i agree with Madame Chair
[12:09] Callipygian Christensen frowns
[12:09] Callipygian Christensen: ohh
[12:09] Callipygian Christensen: LOL
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:09] Callipygian Christensen: I typed dispense not commence
[12:09] Pip Torok: ah well )
[12:09] Callipygian Christensen: I was wondering why you wouldnt want to do it first lol
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: lol
[12:10] Callipygian Christensen: Gwyn..are you with us?
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: now I´m lost
[12:10] Mikelo Serevi: it was a confusion between dispense and dispense with
[12:10] Mikelo Serevi: everyone wants to swear gwyn in
[12:10] Rosie Gray laughs
[12:10] Callipygian Christensen: Dont worry about it Lilith.I tyepd the wrong word and Pip responded to that
[12:10] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:11] Callipygian Christensen: and Gwyn is AFK or crashing
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: Gwyn seems to be multitasking today
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: that´s why she in here with her ALT
[12:11] Callipygian Christensen: perhaps proceed with citizen concerns until we have her attention
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: yes hehe
[12:11] Pip Torok: agree
[12:11] Gwyneth Lewellen: (sorry lol)
[12:11] Arria Perreault: I have concerns
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: aaaah here she is
[12:11] Callipygian Christensen: oh..hold that thought Arria lol
[12:11] Gwyneth Lewellen: I was actually looking for the text for the swearing on lol
[12:12] Gwyneth Lewellen: *in
[12:12] Callipygian Christensen: Gwyn..with no hsitory of hand on a book, please just stand and repeat after me:
[12:13] Callipygian Christensen: I, Gwyneth Llewelyn, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:13] Callipygian Christensen: (you can cut and paste..no need to find
[12:13] Gwyneth Lewellen: I, Gwyneth Llewelyn, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:13] Gwyneth Lewellen: (ty so much, Calli )
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: ♪♫♥ Applauds!!! ♥♫♪
[12:13] Gwyneth Lewellen: lol
[12:13] Lilith Ivory applauds
[12:13] Guillaume Mistwalker claps!
[12:13] Pip Torok: applaud!!!!!
[12:13] Fern Leissa: applauds
[12:13] Callipygian Christensen: congratulations Gwyn
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[12:14] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:14] Rosie Gray: yay
[12:14] Fern Leissa: Yes congratulations
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt gets coffee
[12:14] Arria Perreault applauds
[12:14] Soro Dagostino: WOOOOOT!!!!
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: before we move on I´ve a short announcement to make
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: Tor asked me for permission to place the times of our meetings on SL events
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: hope you don´t mind I gave him permission to do so
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: b
[12:15] Mikelo Serevi: I think it’s a good idea
[12:15] Pip Torok: that sounds fine to me …
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: I did that for this meeting.
[12:15] Fern Leissa: good idea
[12:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, good idea
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: and if nobody is against it we should continue having it there
[12:16] Gwyneth Lewellen: Oh! Good idea… the meetings are public, so, I’m fine…
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: good
[12:16] Gwyneth Lewellen: perhaps we should just make sure that the ‘house rules’ are in place for non-citizen visitors
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: yes Gwyn do you have a link for this rules handy?
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: so I can place them in the box also
[12:17] Mikelo Serevi: how would we deal with griefers, do people have ban power in here?
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: if not I´ll try to find them myself hehe
[12:17] Soro Dagostino: Perhaps a rule that CDS Citizens wear the lable?
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: I should have
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: um, the LRA and I have ban power.
[12:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: I believe I do, Mik
[12:17] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[12:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: Though, I could be mistaken
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: normally I´m able to deal with griefers without banning them also
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: I grew up at the mainland lol
[12:18] Mikelo Serevi: lol, right lilith
[12:18] Tor Karlsvalt
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: so next Item …
[12:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: I hear that’s a bad part of the grid
[12:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: and concerns or aditions to the agenda
[12:19] Soro Dagostino: Raises hand.
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: changes not concerns
[12:19] Fern Leissa: What happened to citizens concerns??
[12:19] Arria Perreault: I had one. I told you
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: after the aproval of agenda fern
[12:19] Fern Leissa: sorry ok
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: as always
[12:19] Rosie Gray is wondering what A – Oat Gwyn could possibly mean
[12:20] Fern Leissa: Oath
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: swearing Gwyn in
[12:20] Pip Torok: oath, perhaps? …
[12:20] Rosie Gray: lol
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: bare with my english this agenda was made in a hurry
[12:20] Fern Leissa: shes been oated already
[12:20] Tor Karlsvalt wonders if Gwyn is raising horses and needed oats.
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: lol
[12:20] Guillaume Mistwalker: lol
[12:20] Beathan Vale: A grain primary fed to horses, but which, in Scotland, sustains the people?
[12:20] Rosie Gray: sorry for teasing
[12:20] Guillaume Mistwalker: The newest product of the CDS: Gwyn-Oats
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: as nobody seems to have changes we can come to citizens next
[12:21] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: (gwyn would become rich with selling horse food)
[12:21] Pip Torok: nods
[12:21] Soro Dagostino: Raises hand.
[12:21] Gwyneth Lewellen: (hah Lil)
[12:21] Arria Perreault raises hands too
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: I think Arria was first, Sorro next
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: (and we thought the bunnies were trouble)
[12:21] Fern Leissa: lol
[12:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: (haha)
[12:22] Arria Perreault: thank you
[12:22] Arria Perreault: I have a concern concerning the announcement of the RA.
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: I understand Arria and appologize
[12:23] Arria Perreault: This meeting was announced shortly before through a notice group. No agenda was released.
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: I just came back from a vacation and had to catch up with all the work
[12:23] Arria Perreault: I think it’s a good idea to publish this meeting in SL-Events. But …
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: the upcomming meetings will be every second unday at noon and I´ll post the agenda in time
[12:24] Fern Leissa: raises hand
[12:24] Arria Perreault: for people who stay in contact with CDS through the Web, it is important to announce the RA meeting in the forum and in the Event Calendar.
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand.
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: yes I agree with you and will do that in fture
[12:24] Arria Perreault: It is not acceptable to use only in-world communication tools
[12:25] Arria Perreault: we also have a Facebook page and a Twittwer
[12:25] Soro Dagostino: Ugh!
[12:25] Arria Perreault: done
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: as the meetings are every second sunday maybe the exec can post them in facebook and twitter
[12:26] Pip Torok realises how strategic the Forum has become …
[12:26] Gwyneth Lewellen: The exec? No
[12:26] Gwyneth Lewellen: I mean…
[12:26] Gwyneth Lewellen: it’s a function of the RA hehe
[12:26] Mikelo Serevi: who has access to the CDS FB/twitter?
[12:26] Gwyneth Lewellen: we could delegate but…
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: well, ok but I don´t think I´ve twitter
[12:26] Gwyneth Lewellen likes a certain amount of independence
[12:27] Arria Perreault: you have a RA Archivist
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: What you’re saying Gwyn is that you have the power to both, so you best do it? ツ
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: well, I think we all agree with Aria that the meetings should be postet
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: so I´ll find a way to do it
[12:28] Guillaume Mistwalker: Or am I wrong in my presumption that it wasn’t you who founded those two
[12:28] Guillaume Mistwalker: Agreed, yes.
[12:28] Gwyneth Lewellen: I have? hehe no
[12:28] Guillaume Mistwalker: Oh, then I must be wrong
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: I saw there are still townhall meetings scheduled
[12:29] Gwyneth Lewellen: hehe yes, Lil
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: do we still want to hold them?
[12:29] Gwyneth Lewellen: I’d love to!
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: if not we should remove those entries
[12:29] Lilith Ivory /me
[12:29] Lilith Ivory notes that Gwyn is going to hold townhall metings
[12:29] Mikelo Serevi just might show up, too
[12:30] Arria Perreault: the PIO should help you to have the access to every chanel
[12:30] Arria Perreault: channel
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: I see ty Arria
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Every channel?
[12:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: I didn’t know Anna had powers to FB and Twitter…!
[12:31] Arria Perreault: she should have
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: She has on fb.
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: Twitter not sure
[12:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see
[12:31] Arria Perreault: She should have, Tor
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: Really those have very few followers.
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: I´m sure Tor can manage it to give her that power
[12:32] Arria Perreault: if not, I can help
[12:32] Pip Torok: she has the right of access to fb surely
[12:32] Arria Perreault: She admin in FB
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: I will check. In fact I might not have rights in Twitter.
[12:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, ok
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: can we come to Soros concern now?
[12:33] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[12:33] Soro Dagostino: Just a note about the Forum.
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: yes?
[12:33] Soro Dagostino: You all may be asked to register again.
[12:33] Soro Dagostino: We have had lots of spam.
[12:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Indeed, I was just asked to regregister.
[12:34] Rosie Gray makes a note
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: will that affect our previous posts?
[12:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: Will this re-registering delete our accounts?
[12:34] Pip Torok: how soon do you expect us to reregister, Soro?
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: No, it didn’t for me.
[12:35] Soro Dagostino: You may find it not necessary — just a warning that our effort to clear spam is ongoing.
[12:35] Guillaume Mistwalker: Inded
[12:35] Tor Karlsvalt: Really you just have to re-log, and your password is chanllenged
[12:35] Gwyneth Lewellen: Hm! yes, although it’s very painful
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: ok, but registration required admin approval
[12:35] Guillaume Mistwalker: Were you delegated administrator/moderator powers on the forum, too, Soro?
[12:35] Guillaume Mistwalker: I know that you said that was an issue
[12:35] Soro Dagostino: As a member of the SC.
[12:35] Gwyneth Lewellen: btw, I’ve been in touch with some organisations which design anti-spam things for forums… but strangely enough their emails bounce back!!
[12:36] Gwyneth Lewellen: ah, and Soro’s status should have been fixed by Aliasi
[12:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, how odd
[12:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, good, good.
[12:36] Soro Dagostino: It was Gwyn
[12:36] Lilith Ivory: seems they are well protected against spam
[12:36] Pip Torok has suspicions about “some organisation” …
[12:37] Lilith Ivory: any other citizens concerns?
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: I have one
[12:37] Lilith Ivory: yes Tor?
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: Just want to clarify that posting the RA meeting to the SL Event calendar is only to focus on non-citizens and advertise us as a democracy.
[12:38] Fern Leissa: raises hand
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: that is all
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: yes Fern?
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Paul
[12:38] Fern Leissa: I like Arria’s idea about putting our meetings on the SL calendar
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: you don´t have to raise the hand every time I think btw
[12:39] Fern Leissa: Don’t know if that needs ra approval or not. But I like the idea
[12:39] Rosie Gray: I like the idea too
[12:39] Pip Torok: Tor, why does there need to be such a clarification?
[12:39] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, I do as well.
[12:39] Arria Perreault: no, it doesn’t need RA approval. we always did in the past
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: I think we agreed with that idea already
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: it IS a good idea
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: Pip, In no way was it intended to replace the traditional modes of communication with citizens.
[12:40] Fern Leissa: Not just the CDS calendar the SL…. right?
[12:40] Fern Leissa: For non-citizens info
[12:40] Pip Torok: ok …
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: As Arria points out, we have group notices and the forum as well as the twiter and fb accts. Although, I would caution about twitter and fb, they have few followers.
[12:41] Arria Perreault: and a google event calendar
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: won´t harm anybody to have it there also
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: so right the google calendar.
[12:41] Arria Perreault: which is accessible through the portal
[12:42] Lilith Ivory: soare there any more concerns or can we come to Tors budget?
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: I would take that as a negative
[12:43] Lilith Ivory: we had a lot of time to read it till now
[12:43] Pip Torok: me too …
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: so can I have a motion to vote about it now?
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: well, I did have a queston about it
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: sure Mikelo
[12:45] Arria Perreault raises hand (after RA members of course)
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: the 12th RA ha 4 admin people, but the proposed budget has 7, why the change?
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: and what’s the difference between archivist and ra archivist?
[12:45] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[12:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: The PIO was given an assistant…
[12:45] Lilith Ivory: do you want to answer?
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: that is one
[12:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: I do believe that is one change
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: the other was created by the 13 RA the commerce coordinator
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: the content archivist is actually an SC appointment.
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: there were two PIOs for a while, way back
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: and the RA archivist is an RA appointment
[12:48] Callipygian Christensen: (archivist is supposed to hold builds etc that belong to CDS, RA archivist is aquisition and maintenance of RA records)
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: and btw, the caretaker postion became vacant as Lilith resigned.
[12:49] Guillaume Mistwalker: Is the PIO a change?
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: I don’t see why the commerce coordinator should be paid
[12:49] Arria Perreault: (Tor, can you publish a list of appointed people?)
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: sure
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: i will Arria
[12:50] Arria Perreault: thank you
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: any more questions from RA members?
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: commerce is not govt
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: Arria your question?
[12:52] Arria Perreault: about the budget, yes
[12:52] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[12:52] Arria Perreault: I have several
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: yes?
[12:53] Arria Perreault: The 2 regional committees will get each month 20’000 L$ (10’000 L$ each). This amount doesnt allow the organization of weekly events. It will allow only to have 2 concerts each month.
In the same time, there is an amount of 28’000 L$ for “Community and Music Events”. I guess that the Executive will manage this amount of money. It means that the Executive will have more money to organize events than the regional Committtees.
[12:53] Arria Perreault: Is it the intention of the Chancellor?
[12:53] Arria Perreault: I see also that we sponsor the Radio Riel Volksmusik. Can someone say what is it and why do we have to sponsor it? If it is advertising, is it efficient ?
[12:54] Arria Perreault: The Roman Regional Committee would like to organize a Festival in May named Floralia. Will this Festival be financed by the line “Major Events” ?
[12:54] Guillaume Mistwalker: I echo that question of Arria’s concerning Floralia
[12:54] Arria Perreault: Radio Riel is 5000 L$ a month, 30’000 L$ for the whole term
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: Well that was part of the past budgets. I left it in to cover additonal events or any cost overruns or support of planned events.
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: second, the Floralia would be a major event for the entire CDS.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Third, Radiorieal had a true cost of 10k per month for a premium sponsorship.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: the true cost was privately subsidized, I don’t want to subsidize it.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Current’y I have not subscribed as a sponsor pending the resolution of the budget
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: but the true cost is 10K per month
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: for that we will get recognition as a sposor and will be able to have some PSAs.

[12:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: PSAs?
[12:57] Arria Perreault: Can you explane what is exactly Radio riel and the advantage to sponsor it?
[12:57] Pip Torok: PSA’s?
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: public service annoucments
[12:57] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Wish btw were not done in the past although we paid for them
[12:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: How odd.
[12:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: Will you utilise that resource, then?
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Let me point out her again, I have not renewed the sponsorship pending resolution of the budget
[12:58] Gwyneth Lewellen: brb
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: I did increase the amout to 10K once i learned that the price was 10K not 5K
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: so is it our turn to vote for renwing it or not?
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: i am open to dispensing with it altogether.
[12:59] Lilith Ivory can live perfectly without german music
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: but I think it does give us a foothold in the larger SL community.
[12:59] Arria Perreault: I am sure we can find free radio stream
[12:59] Callipygian Christensen: (in effect ‘sponsorship’is = to advertising..but if htye didnt even provide *that* as agreed to, I’d suggest not bothering..and asking for them to do the PSA’s now at no charge..or refund the money)
[13:00] Pip Torok: its more than german music in volksmusik radioriel, lilith
[13:00] Rosie Gray: here here – what Calli said
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: good point Calie.
[13:00] Pip Torok: … klezmer, e european folk etc
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: I suspect tho, they will feel that the PSA was always open to us.
[13:00] Soro Dagostino: What — no roman marches?
[13:00] Fern Leissa: yes if they didn’t provide the psa’s I ‘m in agreement with Calli
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: think they need our input to make Ads
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: well it isn’t that they would not provide it.
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: Iwill ask for a deal
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt: seems they also did not get a logo from us.
[13:01] Arria Perreault: is it really efficient as marketing?
[13:01] Fern Leissa: What sort of deal Tor?
[13:01] Rosie Gray: sounds like they didn’t follow up either
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: Well perhaps they can reduce the sponsorship fee.
[13:02] Callipygian Christensen: ah well.whoever originally made the contract may not have followed through, which puts no fault on the radio provider to some degree..but really, no reason to keep thring a large chunk of money at it unless we know it is reaching a *lot* of potential new citizens
[13:02] Fern Leissa: So you would suggest what budget amount for this?
[13:03] Lilith Ivory agrees with Calli
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: well i agree. I think it is fairly popular in steampunk circles.
[13:03] Arria Perreault: are we steampunk?
[13:04] Mikelo Serevi: so perhaps it’s more of a caledon thing?
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: As I said, I have not yet agreed to keep it.
[13:04] Fern Leissa: I’m guessing we’re still not steampunk
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: no we aren’t steampunk.
[13:04] Fern Leissa:
[13:04] Pip Torok: no, but the channel has merits apart from its fans
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: but they are also a very involved group of people.
[13:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: There is one relationship we share with Caledon: our governments.
[13:04] Mikelo Serevi: I’d like to listen to them a bit
[13:04] Arria Perreault: in the past, we also paid for in kiosk in Caledon before 11th term)
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: It isn’t a bad idea to stay in touch with those groups.
[13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: We may attract some who are attracted to democracy, rather that monarchy.
[13:05] Pip Torok is surprised at G’s statement
[13:05] Arria Perreault: it was rather expensive and I am not sure it was efficient
[13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, we both have government, Pip
[13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Only difference is that we’re democratic, no?
[13:05] Pip Torok: ah … i take back what I said!¬
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi understood caledon was not a democracy
[13:05] Callipygian Christensen: You can listen to the radio station without sponsoring – perhps that item on the budget can be put on hold for a later decision?
[13:06] Mikelo Serevi: good idea, calli
[13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: I would agree with Calli
[13:06] Lilith Ivory: but we shoult vote about the budget with or without that Radio sponsorship imo
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: well we don’t have to sponsor it at all. It is one avenue of advertising us to a very involved group of ppl.
[13:06] Mikelo Serevi: How many of us are familiar with this station, tor and pip?
[13:06] Pip Torok is happy to give the URL of radioreal’s volkmusik channel to any citizen
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: but we can talk about this in the exec.
[13:07] Gwyneth Lewellen: riel’s been around for eons
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: How does it compare to say, NPR?
[13:07] Arria Perreault: not every initiative is sponsored by CDS
[13:07] Pip Torok: yes but not the volksmusik stream
[13:07] Fern Leissa: I would suggest that it be removed from this budget and the exec study the real effectiveness of riel and report back next term
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, obviously NPR would have more listeners, Mik
[13:07] Arria Perreault: The Monastery got 0L$ until now
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: But NPR also costs more.
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: lol, I meant in style
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: well gee, we could check out NPR. But not sure how many of their listeners are SL residentes
[13:08] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: BTW, I was interviewed by Icon mag.
[13:08] Mikelo Serevi: I’m trying to get an idea of what they’re about
[13:08] Fern Leissa: Actually NPR is in here I think
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: We can check them out.
[13:09] Arria Perreault: what is NPR?
[13:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: National Public Radio
[13:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: US Radio
[13:09] Mikelo Serevi: it’s a US thing, sry
[13:09] Arria Perreault: ok
[13:09] Pip Torok: important to stress that “volksmusik” is concerened with all folk and world music rather than german folk-music
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Great radio station
[13:09] Callipygian Christensen: Mikelo, Riel Radio runs multiple streams of specific genres and supports those streams by the NPR model of sponsorship in return for PSAa. They offer 24/7 music with, I think, occasional live DJed events incorporated
[13:10] Guillaume Mistwalker agrees with Tor and Calli
[13:10] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, ok
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: right pip, the station does fit AM, NFS and even the roman sims rather well.
[13:10] Lilith Ivory: maybe we can leave this amount of money in the budget and call it advertisement instead of sponsoring radio Riel
[13:10] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:10] Mikelo Serevi: nice
[13:10] Arria Perreault: in LA, I have set sometimes a nice and free greek stream
[13:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: That doesn’t exactly make it transparent, no?
[13:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, at the Villa of Mysteries, Arria?
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: yes Lil that would be fine with me
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: it does leave it rather open…
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: but Tor and we are free to decide how to deal with RR
[13:11] Callipygian Christensen: Guillaume..I thinkit does actually..and gives leeway to still spendi to advertise even if Radio Riel is not the place it is spent
[13:11] Arria Perreault: no, the whole sim. I have set it sometimes, after concerts
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: without having another delay on voting about the budget
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: I should point out that Advertising the CDS is an exec function.
[13:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, I agree, then
[13:12] Arria Perreault: yes, but you need that the RA aroves the budget …
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: we need to get this budget aproved sooner or later so Tor can sponsor the Event in LA imo
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: we can re-add this to the budget later?
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: his hands are kinda bound at the moment
[13:13] Arria Perreault: which Event?
[13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Well according to the law, I think you have to pass on a budget or this is it as submitted.
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: the major event you talked about
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Floralia?
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: yes
[13:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: There is no problem in adding/changing the budget i guess…
[13:13] Arria Perreault: Tor, I have put these remarks in the forum and you did not ansmwered them …
[13:14] Arria Perreault: there is also the amount for the Regional Committees which is rather small
[13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Florialia is being planned as a major event.
[13:14] Arria Perreault: yes, I am happy for that ㋡
[13:14] Mikelo Serevi: the regional committee budgets have shrunk?
[13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: The amounts for the committies is fine, imo.
[13:14] Arria Perreault: with your budget, we can’t organize weekly events
[13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: no they haven’t
[13:15] Arria Perreault: 10’000 L$ a month
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: do those events bring new citizens btw?
[13:15] Arria Perreault: (nd now the sims are very sleepy)
[13:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: Regardless of them bringing new citizens, they’re intrumental to this community imo
[13:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s really not much… may I just ask if the reason behind the cutting is some degree of pessimism towards the number of people that these events usually attract?
[13:15] Pip Torok: brb
[13:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Well 10K a month seems ok. And we can suplement it from the general music/event outlay.
[13:16] Mikelo Serevi: well, they are for current citizens too
[13:16] Tor Karlsvalt: well, past events have not demonstrated any addition to our citiznery.
[13:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Mik
[13:16] Arria Perreault: Lilith, we will know that with the time. The advantages of these events is that we can talk directly with people who come
[13:16] Tor Karlsvalt: also, they were too focused on only two groups.
[13:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I think it’s important for all of us to interact…
[13:16] Arria Perreault: we can give them informations about CDS
[13:17] Tor Karlsvalt: also, there is an issue with hosting events the citiiznes want to attend
[13:17] Arria Perreault: and right, they were an opportunity to meet for citizen
[13:17] Tor Karlsvalt: we had no interest from only the two groups of followers brought into CDS.
[13:17] Arria Perreault: Tor, I agreed that we can have mmore artists
[13:17] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[13:18] Arria Perreault: even if it gives more work for the organization
[13:18] Tor Karlsvalt: well, don’t put past experience out as a successs, it wasn
[13:18] Tor Karlsvalt: wasn’t
[13:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: What are you suggesting we alter to this budget, then, Arria?
[13:18] Arria Perreault: we always got a good attendance
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi: you mean only as outreach?
[13:19] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes, but few new members of the groups or parcels sold.
[13:19] Tor Karlsvalt: if any
[13:19] Arria Perreault: I suggest that the regional committees have a bigger part of the event budget and the executive a smaller one
[13:19] Tor Karlsvalt: we had the same followers in here week after week
[13:19] Arria Perreault: now 10’000 L$ / 28’000 L$
[13:19] Guillaume Mistwalker: These events are more important than attracting new citizens, though, Tor, they’re also about all of the CDS citizens imo
[13:19] Tor Karlsvalt: Keep in mind we might be experiencing falling revenue
[13:20] Arria Perreault: we are more active and we have a direct interest that the sims have an animation
[13:20] Tor Karlsvalt: I would like close control
[13:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, that’s the rgument for financial sustainability….
[13:20] Callipygian Christensen: Guillaume, attendance at events by citizens is really poor in general, if you look at number attending anything vs actual number of citizens
[13:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh* I cannot disagree with that, although I’m always a bit reluctant to cut costs so much that it’s not *fun* anymore to be in the CDS!
[13:20] Pip Torok: back …
[13:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: True, Calli…
[13:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, for those who are active in our affairs, Calli?
[13:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: wb Pip
[13:21] Mikelo Serevi: I’ve always had fun at events
[13:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Mik
[13:21] Arria Perreault: I think citizen came
[13:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: And if we interact more a community, won’t that also appeal to newer people, too?
[13:21] Arria Perreault: not only fans or people from outside
[13:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: *more as a
[13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: yes it will Guill
[13:22] Arria Perreault: now there is no point in the week where we are sure to meet someone in CDS
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: the idea is we keep the people we have, and then reach out
[13:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: But we’ve been losing people.
[13:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: We need to focus on the people we have.
[13:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: Right now, we’re not
[13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: or people have cut back on their parcels.
[13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: LA now is probably in the red.
[13:22] Arria Perreault: we can ask people for the kind of music they want to have
[13:23] Tor Karlsvalt: it was close when I looked at over a month ago.
[13:23] Tor Karlsvalt: Since then several lots have been abandoned.
[13:23] Mikelo Serevi: I’ve increased holding myself
[13:23] Guillaume Mistwalker: Maybe we should lower the parcel prices there, a bit? To attract more people?
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: last time Mikelo had the idea to have more events other than concerts
[13:23] Arria Perreault: that’s why we need more energy ㋡
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: to atract people interested in politics
[13:23] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh i will lower parcel prices had have.
[13:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, a stupid question that I haven’t bothered to ask before — do the costs for web hosting include ads on other sites?
[13:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ads, sponsorship, etc
[13:24] Tor Karlsvalt: web hosting is separate.
[13:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, so it’s *only* hosting itself.
[13:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ads, just L$100/month. Hmm. where are you suggesting to place ads then?
[13:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The ‘big’ SL sites ask for something like L$5k/week
[13:25] Arria Perreault: (of course, we can have other attractions than concerts)
[13:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (but those have often dozens of thousands of monthly visitors)
[13:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and that is L$1k/month, sorry
[13:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh LL has banner ads now in search. Thought I would check that out.
[13:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aha
[13:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Search and SL Marketplace then?
[13:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or just Search?
[13:26] Guillaume Mistwalker nods, “SLM would be good, too”
[13:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I think either.
[13:26] Tor Karlsvalt: both would be good.
[13:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes
[13:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok… does anyone have experience running ads on those?
[13:26] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[13:26] Arria Perreault: on search, I have
[13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: but hey, got to try.
[13:27] Arria Perreault: it works very well
[13:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: Inded.
[13:27] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, Arria… even for L$1000?
[13:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: *-eed.
[13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: well this isn’t the usualy ad were you check, show in search
[13:27] Arria Perreault: I use it for the Monastery
[13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: usual
[13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: where
[13:27] Arria Perreault: no, but you have to renew each week
[13:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: My own experience was… if it’s just having an ad for having an ad’s sake, it’s worthless to spend a lot: just L$50/bi-weekly is enough to *have* a searchable ad.
[13:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *weekly
[13:27] Fern Leissa: you do?
[13:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: if we want the ad to be displayed at the *top* of search, well… then US$1000 is more likely to provide that hehe
[13:28] Arria Perreault: if we advertise several places fr 100L$, we reach 1000 L$ quickly
[13:28] Fern Leissa: have to renew each week?
[13:28] Tor Karlsvalt: I think the adds pop up ins search with out being searched for.
[13:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, if you’re not using common words/tags
[13:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I see your point, Arria
[13:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So it’s not ONE ad… it’s actually 10 ads
[13:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
[13:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I understand now!
[13:29] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, I believe Gwyn and the others are talking about ads on websites like marketplace, New world notes, whereas you are talking the ‘classifieds’ ads in the land tabs
[13:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That should work
[13:29] Arria Perreault: I think it’s a good investment
[13:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: I do believe that the Chancellor can rightfully sort this out… and if I may point out, we’ve spent the last hour or so on a topic that was meant to originally take 20 minutes…
[13:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well I was thinking about those too, Calli — additionally
[13:29] Tor Karlsvalt: I think you are right Cali.
[13:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe sorry, Guillaume — you’re right too
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Gui
[13:30] Guillaume Mistwalker chuckles
[13:30] Arria Perreault: I think we should be present in the Marketplace too and even in Google ads
[13:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, hey, let’s give it a try We can always see the results in 5 months and adjust…
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: right
[13:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: i so totally agree, Arria .
[13:30] Mikelo Serevi: yes, me too
[13:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps next term then
[13:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I need more money for advertising, I will come to you for an amendment.
[13:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn grins and nods
[13:31] Guillaume Mistwalker will be right back.
[13:31] Fern Leissa: Ok. Then dito for radio riel. Let’s do 6 mos and see if it is actually effective to advertise there
[13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: It seemed to me this was rather uncharted territorry.
[13:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree, Fern
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: yes
[13:31] Arria Perreault: Tor, we have a lot of money in reserve and you can make a program for such ads on the web. I will support you as citizen ㋡
[13:32] Arria Perreault: I think we can attract people directly from the web, ot only in SL
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: I need to point out also, that for classified ads in search associated with the land, most of the public land is owned by Rudeen, who must then place ads.
[13:32] Arria Perreault: I had such cases in the Monastery
[13:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: My point is… we haven’t done much in this area before, CDS-wide…. if we fail to approve the little money on ads we have now… we’ll never do it at all. So, sure, let’s run this experiment for a term, and if we have success, we can expand he budget next term with a larger budget
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: Web is good
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: but I have some issues with the web.
[13:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes?
[13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: We need to target SL residents.
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: I agree with you Gwyn
[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, Google AdSense allows you that…
[13:33] Arria Perreault: Gwyn, I think that Tor has the possibility to come here with a special programm, like to get a new sim
[13:33] Pip Torok: which SL residents, Tor?
[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and so does facebook
[13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: FB and twitter sort of requires ppl to connect their RL accts to us.
[13:33] Arria Perreault: it will be an extraordinary expense that the RA can vote
[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree, Arria!!
[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That would be a good pretext for some more aggressive ads, yes
[13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: true,
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: yes
[13:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: I agree with Gwyn; back
[13:34] Arria Perreault: Tor, you should maybe make a workgroup for that
[13:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmh
[13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: We could do that. I will consult with anna on that.
[13:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: in the mean time, can we vote on the budget? hehe
[13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn *chuckles*
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: yes Gwyn!
[13:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: And yes, I would agree about the sims, Gwyn
[13:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay
[13:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: And yes, please! can we?
[13:35] Mikelo Serevi: well, my question about the extra admins wasn’t answered really
[13:35] Pip Torok hopes that the emphasis will be on SL residents with a positive commitment to upholding democracy
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: I think I need a motion and a second to vote about it
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: right?
[13:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aha good point, Mikelo — can we have an answer on that?
[13:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: before we move to vote?

[13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: extra admins, which ones are those.
[13:35] Lilith Ivory sighs hehe
[13:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ㋡
[13:35] Mikelo Serevi: it seems the larger number was set up for the larger CDS/AA, which no longer applies
[13:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, Tor said he would provide us with a list of the new admins
[13:36] Mikelo Serevi: paid commerce coordinator, extra archivist
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: the only admins added were an asst PIO and Commerce.
[13:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: “Caretaker”
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: no there is not extra achivist.
[13:36] Fern Leissa: But… we clearly are concerned about advertising… and PIO positions have that as their main agenda
[13:36] Mikelo Serevi: the 12th RA had 4, this budget has 7
[13:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, we do, Fern
[13:37] Mikelo Serevi: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B8zbEv … YTQ2&hl=en
[13:37] Mikelo Serevi: trevor’s handy comparison
[13:37] Fern Leissa: Not sure we don’t need them and the amount we pay them is relatively small for the amount of time they seem to put in
[13:37] Tor Karlsvalt: no only five
[13:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn apologises if she missed the job descriptions of the new members of the civil service on the forums and asks for a linky to them
[13:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Only 5? I see 7 with the archivists
[13:37] Tor Karlsvalt: The only new one is the Commerce Coordinator
[13:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see only five, yes
[13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: oh but those aren’t in my office.
[13:38] Guillaume Mistwalker shouts: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key … pqMD#gid=0
[13:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[13:38] Fern Leissa: hehe. We hear you lol
[13:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Woops, pardon my shouting ツ
[13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: i pointed out, the SC appoints the content achivist and the RA appoints the RA archives
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, but we still pay them out of our budget
[13:38] Mikelo Serevi: but there was no paid content archivist before
[13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: ohter than that the only new one is the commerce coordinator.
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: oh yes there was.
[13:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What does the Caretaker do?
[13:39] Callipygian Christensen: Mikelo..there has been for a very long time
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Of course one can argue why we need it.
[13:39] Pip Torok: clear up rubbish, gwyn
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: I am just signing the checks.
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: it´s a way old office
[13:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, I see — the old ‘Janitor+ role
[13:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok ok
[13:39] Pip Torok: take down outofdate notices etc
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: btw, caretaker is open
[13:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[13:39] Mikelo Serevi: actually, my mistake, I see it in teh 9th budget
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I think it ihas been part of CDS from days of old.
[13:40] Arria Perreault: before 12th term, the RA Archivist was not paid
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: although, I must say that if you wnat anything there is no inventroy.
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: inventory.
[13:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well… I guess that then we’re just talking about a new person; and it shows an emphasis on commerce… I cannot disagree with that….
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: I knew the slot existed, since some items were deleted maliciously
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: yes gwyn
[13:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right… I’m fine then
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: yes
[13:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: Shall we move to vote, Mme LRA?
[13:41] Arria Perreault: and about the weekly events? do we let the money for reg committes so in the budget? I just want to say that you wont lose the control: Reg committees are also democratic ㋡
[13:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn moves that we vote to approve the budget
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: any second ?
[13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: I should point out, I think the content archivist is supposed to be an alt.
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: PLEEAAAZE
[13:41] Pip Torok: second
[13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[13:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (agreed, Tor, it was meant to be an alt=
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: so all agreeing with the budget say aye please
[13:42] Mikelo Serevi: an alt for storage, yes
[13:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I don’t know if that was ever done.
[13:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye, even though I have some qualms; but it’s better to have a bad budget than no budget at all lol
[13:42] Pip Torok: aye
[13:42] Tor Karlsvalt: and prolly we need to have some inventory of stuff.
[13:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye.
[13:42] Tor Karlsvalt: i will shut up
[13:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[13:42] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:43] Mikelo Serevi: ok gwyn
[13:43] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: the budget is aproved for now as it seems
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:44] Mikelo Serevi: I’m not happy that no changes were allowed
[13:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: now we can move to *fix* it…. hehe
[13:44] Mikelo Serevi: why bother loking at it?
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: right
[13:44] Arria Perreault: me too
[13:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mikelo, we could always have voted against it and force the Chancellor to redraw a new budget…
[13:44] Tor Karlsvalt: well goNaturally we will always have things come up.
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: we could have voted for changes if there had been any proposals
[13:45] Tor Karlsvalt: um, actually Mik I tink you had to approve it or change it now.
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: well there will be changes later anyway
[13:45] Mikelo Serevi: I move we increase the regional budget as per arria’s suggestion
[13:45] Arria Perreault: I have put my questions and remarks on the forum long time ago. So I am sorry that no one answered or react
[13:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: To what amount?
[13:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: What amount for the reg/chanc, Mik?
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: isn´t that to late for the moment?
[13:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We can always amend things, Lilith
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: well ok
[13:46] Pip Torok: yes lilith
[13:46] Lilith Ivory is a LRA noob hehe
[13:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I second Mikelo, I just wish to make sure we know the amount (L$28k I believe?)
[13:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: Or, Arria, what amount are you suggesting we amend that amount to?
[13:47] Tor Karlsvalt: All do respect to anyone, but the RA had 30 days to approve or amend the budget.
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: but why vote for something if we want to change it one minute later?
[13:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ha!
[13:47] Mikelo Serevi: the vote was kind of pushed past objections
[13:47] Tor Karlsvalt: I can’t read the law as written, seems somethng is wrong with the protal
[13:47] Arria Perreault: my suggestion was to take 20’000 L$ from the position Music and Community Events
[13:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that’s a good philosophic question, Lil
[13:48] Fern Leissa: I agree. Let’s get going. I miss the events in LA but they won’t happen without a budget
[13:48] Lilith Ivory: uhm … talking about the budget at least for one hour now
[13:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[13:48] Arria Perreault: 40’000 L$ for both regiional committees (20’000 L$ each)
[13:48] Fern Leissa: We can talk about changes later in the term if necessary
[13:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: and leave 8Lk for the chancellor?
[13:48] Arria Perreault: yes
[13:48] Mikelo Serevi: I second
[13:48] Tor Karlsvalt: The budget law is not posted to the portal BTW.
[13:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: second what?
[13:49] Arria Perreault: The regional committees were set for that
[13:49] Tor Karlsvalt: Naturally, I will make money available to the commissions if they ask.
[13:49] Fern Leissa:
[13:49] Mikelo Serevi: well, it was more of a suggestion…
[13:49] Guillaume Mistwalker: I … third?
[13:49] Rosie Gray quietly leaves as she can’t spend any more time here
[13:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn considers firing the RA Archivist if they don’t keep the laws updated on the portal!
[13:49] Guillaume Mistwalker: Goodbye Rosie ツ
[13:49] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[13:49] Tor Karlsvalt: Keep in mind everyone, LA is probably loosing money.
[13:49] Fern Leissa: Bye Rosie
[13:49] Tor Karlsvalt: bye rosie
[13:49] Pip Torok: bye Rosie
[13:49] Arria Perreault: bye Rosie
[13:50] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[13:50] Tor Karlsvalt: We have more land in CN vacant as well.
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: I don´t think we should change the budget now in a hurry
[13:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: So, would it not make sense to pass money to the respected reg. committee?
[13:50] Mikelo Serevi: it’s not hurried
[13:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it’s been on discussion on the forums for a month I think
[13:50] Arria Perreault: I don’t ask for more money. it’s only a transfer
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: a change five minutes after we aproved is is no hurry?
[13:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hardly ‘hurried’
[13:50] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand and waves it
[13:50] Tor Karlsvalt: We do have lots of money in the bank, but note that the current budget isn’t putting much of anything toward the reserve.
[13:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Lil
[13:50] Fern Leissa: I think we passed the budget. Right?
[13:51] Mikelo Serevi: the holidays ground everything to a halt
[13:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: an hour and a half on a 20 minute issue is a hurry?
[13:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, we did. This is an amendment to the budget, Fern
[13:51] Fern Leissa: sorry
[13:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: a proposed amendment; moved & seconded
[13:51] Arria Perreault: we are not talking about increasing the money,
[13:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed.
[13:51] Callipygian Christensen: ok…Ill just talk…
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: and don´t forget the 30 days we had to think about it before
[13:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[13:51] Arria Perreault: it’s only a transfert from a post to another
[13:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, Calli?
[13:51] Callipygian Christensen: its unforntunate Tor didnt respond to Arria’s questions in the forum..but I also saw none of this last hours debate there..
[13:52] Mikelo Serevi: I’ll concede my issue if we can change this part
[13:52] Callipygian Christensen: and rrankly, with all due respect Arria..you are behaving as if you have a seat in the Ra..
[13:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: See, it’s always easier to vote on something and amend later when there is no consensus on the first place; then, if the amendment vote fails, we can always fall back to what has been approved
[13:52] Guillaume Mistwalker whispers: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3179
[13:53] Arria Perreault: (it’s a long tradition in CDS, Calli…)
[13:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: I do agree with Arria’s concern.
[13:53] Callipygian Christensen: and this ‘we didnt put forward a motion before th evote but rush to do it affter’..well..Tor is the *elected* Chancellor..there is some level of faith in that that should be given him to act well..and not trying to tear his budget apart a seocnd after passing it would be a good start
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: I don´t mind transfering the money to the regional commitees but I dislike the fact nobody proposed it in time
[13:53] Arria Perreault: Calli, le tthe RA act
[13:53] Callipygian Christensen: he’s hears your concerns..youve passedhis budget..wy not let him go be the Chancellor and address your conerns..and get on with the rest of this meeting?
[13:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe point made, Calli Now let’s vote!
[13:53] Mikelo Serevi: I think an amendment can be made at any time
[13:54] Arria Perreault: they have the right to listen citizen and to make a motion
[13:54] Guillaume Mistwalker: We can amend it.
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: can I hear for what we vote exactly please
[13:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: of course it can although it’s also the LRA’s prerrogative not to accept it hehe
[13:54] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Mik.
[13:54] Tor Karlsvalt: That is a good question, can the RA amend a budget after it is passed.
[13:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: Amending the amount from 20 reg. com. / 28 events to 40 reg. com. / 8 events
[13:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Obviously we did it all the time in the past, Tor
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: I point out again here that the budget law is not posted to the portal
[13:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: There’s a very good precedent for that
[13:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, how else would we be able to compensate for issues that arise?
[13:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly.
[13:55] Mikelo Serevi: was that your proposal, arria?
[13:55] Pip Torok: can I hear for what we vote exactly please.. explicitly?
[13:56] Tor Karlsvalt: The Chancellor submits the budget and the RA approves or asks for an amendment and as 30 days to do all of that.
[13:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Amending the amount from 20 reg. com. / 28 events to 40 reg. com. / 8 events
[13:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: As Gui wrote: “Amending the amount from 20 reg. com. / 28 events to 40 reg. com. / 8 events”
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: maybe a clear motion would be helpful
[13:56] Arria Perreault: Community and Music Events 8000 L$ (instead of 28’000 L$)
[13:56] Arria Perreault: Regional Comm : 40’000 L$ (instead of 20’00 L$)
[13:56] Arria Perreault: (monthly)
[13:56] Pip Torok agrees with Lilith
[13:56] Mikelo Serevi: 2nd
[13:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: I motion the amendment.
[13:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah… Tor, you might be right, hmm — can you point us to a reference to that?
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: can a have a clear motion please?
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: No Gywn, the law is not posted.
[13:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Grr
[13:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: I have said that about three times already
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: and in the past too
[13:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So how do you know it?
[13:57] Pip Torok: no .. its not yet clear as a motion …
[13:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Disregard that question
[13:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: let’s have the SC sort it out, then
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: it was the law, I voted on it.
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: I´ll have to look for it also
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: I willl have to dig it up in the transcripts.
[13:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right, and my memory is not good enough
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: nor is mine
[13:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Don’t worry, Tor; we have the SC to worry about it
[13:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: they might find the reference and just veto the amendment
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: but I know there was a sunset on the time allowed for the RA to amend/challenge a budget
[13:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In the mean time, we *do* have a motion to amend the budget
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: can´t we just leave the budget as it is for today and vote for changes after we did that research?
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: in fact even this day might be past the sunset
[13:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: only if Mikelo is willing to withdraw the motion, Lil
[13:59] Pip Torok: will someone please put the complete motion?
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: I still have no clear motion
[13:59] Arria Perreault: My proposal:
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Pip
[13:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh my…. for the 6th time then,
[13:59] Arria Perreault: The budget has the following modification:
Community and Music Events 8000 L$ (instead of 28’000 L$)
Regional Comm : 40’000 L$ (instead of 20’00 L$)
(monthly)
[13:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: [13:56] Arria Perreault: Community and Music Events 8000 L$ (instead of 28’000 L$)
[13:56] Arria Perreault: Regional Comm : 40’000 L$ (instead of 20’00 L$)
[13:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: right
[13:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed.
[13:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you, Arria.
[13:59] Mikelo Serevi:
[13:59] Arria Perreault: yw
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: now if I could have Arrias motion from a RA member please
[14:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s Mikelo’s motion actually
[14:00] You decline Amaretto Breedable Horse LM’s from A group member named Cloey Dawner.
[14:00] Mikelo Serevi: Quite so, hang on
[14:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, and seconded.
[14:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Even though citizens are fully allowed to put their own motions too.
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: please ! we can´t vote for motions made by a citizen
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: right?
[14:01] Mikelo Serevi: I propose we amend the budget as follows:
[14:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we most certainly can
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: oh ok than
[14:01] Mikelo Serevi: ok, so I can second arria’s proposal
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: I guess we had seconds for that already
[14:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we’re a very open democracy, Lil the only difference between a citizen and a RA member is that a RA member is allowed to *vote* on motions.
[14:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: I second the motion.
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: ok sorry for not realizing that
[14:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ok.
[14:02] Guillaume Mistwalker sighs
[14:02] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[14:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye.
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: ok so all in favour for the modifikations say aye please
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: hate to get all legalistic on everyone.
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3132&p=16578&hilit=budget#p16574
[14:02] Fern Leissa: nay
[14:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[14:02] Pip Torok: nay
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: nay
[14:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Shame.
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Let me say I have no problem with bowing to the wishes of the RA. B
[14:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: dang. Tor is obviously right lol
[14:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Oh well! shall we move on?
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: 3 aye, 3 nay and Cindy didn´t ask for 7 day vote as far as I know
[14:04] Tor Karlsvalt: of course I am, cuz I pointed it out.
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: ok guys, we are here for two hours now
[14:05] Tor Karlsvalt: Now I could be a real pain and just say I will take all of this in advisement.
[14:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: We we haven’t gotten to the big 4th issue..
[14:05] Tor Karlsvalt: but I will accept it.
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: want us to rush through the rest of the agenda or coming to the end slowly?
[14:05] Arria Perreault: the RA should say what she wants as animation in CDS. Now we are a sleeping country
[14:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn will have to be afk for about 20 mins now but is fine to continue if we wish
[14:05] Tor Karlsvalt: But RA and the achivist need to post the laws timely to avoid confusion.
[14:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Cheers, Tor.
[14:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: I agree
[14:06] Guillaume Mistwalker will be right back.
[14:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: and I will
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: do we want to do overtime?
[14:06] Tor Karlsvalt: Cuz frankly I feel I am withing the law to say that the RA waisted two hours for nothing.
[14:06] Tor Karlsvalt: within
[14:06] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry for my bad typing.
[14:06] Mikelo Serevi: we did vote to extend, didn’t we?
[14:07] Arria Perreault: we would have won a lot of time if you had answered my post in the forum
[14:07] Mikelo Serevi: I mean the budget time
[14:07] Tor Karlsvalt: you aren’t the RA Arria
[14:07] Fern Leissa: No. That I don’t agree with. We had some important discussion about priorities
[14:07] Arria Perreault: no, but I am a citizen
[14:07] Lilith Ivory: yes just want to know what to do with the rest of the agenda
[14:07] Arria Perreault: and we are a democracy
[14:07] Mikelo Serevi: any citizen can bring up objections
[14:07] Tor Karlsvalt: the RA needs to act not you.
[14:07] Arria Perreault: I can bring my issues here
[14:07] Tor Karlsvalt: you can of course.
[14:07] Arria Perreault: that’s what I did
[14:08] Arria Perreault: you did not your job, as you did not answered in the forum
[14:08] Tor Karlsvalt: right, but under the law, the RA had 30 days to act.
[14:08] Pip Torok: I propose we go thry items IV A and B then adjourn
[14:08] Arria Perreault: then you have improved your proposal and we would have avoid all this
[14:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Look I said I will let you spend all the money you want.
[14:08] Mikelo Serevi: but we extended the 13th budget
[14:09] Tor Karlsvalt: no nothing wrong with my proposal
[14:09] Arria Perreault: now I hope you will use these 28’000 L$ to bring some animations in thee dead and deserted sims
[14:09] Tor Karlsvalt: except you don’t like it.
[14:09] Mikelo Serevi: ok, Pip, good idea

[14:09] Tor Karlsvalt: cuz you want to sped lots on events that few CDSs care about
[14:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: Riiighhttt. I agree with Pip.
[14:09] Pip Torok: a second?
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: good I see that as second
[14:09] Arria Perreault: I don’t like that almost nothing is happening in CDS comparing to last term
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: Fern your report about the covenant commision please
[14:10] Callipygian Christensen: Arria, Tor..I beieve madame LRA is trying to go on wiht the business of the RA
[14:10] Fern Leissa: Sure. Very brief as nothing has happened yet
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: ty Calli
[14:10] Arria Perreault: I don’t interpret this so, Tor
[14:10] Arria Perreault: they want that YOU organize these events
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: when are you going to schedule your first meeting fern?
[14:10] Fern Leissa: I have two citizens meeting scheduled for Jan 17 @ 2 pm slt
[14:10] Fern Leissa: and Jan 22 at 10 am slt
[14:10] Mikelo Serevi: There’s a current copy of the proposed covenant in the forum, fern?
[14:10] Arria Perreault: they did not took money away
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: I think there should be at least one between the RA meetings
[14:11] Fern Leissa: I plan to discuss only the general CDS covenants at these meetings,
[14:11] Fern Leissa: then follow-up with more meetings with the individual sims about specific covenants
[14:11] Fern Leissa: Done
[14:11] Mikelo Serevi: what other covenants are there?
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: thank you Fern
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: fern?
[14:11] Pip Torok: will these meetings cover the principle of a building Advisory Committee fern?
[14:12] Fern Leissa: Mikelo the covenants are not on the forum
[14:12] Pip Torok: i.e. whether the principle is desirable?
[14:12] Fern Leissa: I could post them though np
[14:12] Callipygian Christensen: RL calls..good day everyone
[14:12] Mikelo Serevi: cu cali
[14:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Goodbye, Cali.
[14:12] Arria Perreault: bye Calli
[14:12] Mikelo Serevi: calli
[14:13] Pip Torok: bye Calli
[14:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: *Calli.
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: think the commision meetings are a good place to discuss this
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: bye Calli
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: Fern will report us at the next meeting
[14:13] Mikelo Serevi: I thought wewere going to discuss whether commissions were worth extending?
[14:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, which means I hope to be there tomorrow, Fern ツ
[14:13] Fern Leissa: The purpose of the meetings is to see what citizens want, including how they want to address rewriting
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: we votet for the covenant commision already
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: and if we had time left he would have votet about the others
[14:14] Pip Torok: we discussed that at the last meeting, Mikelo
[14:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, we did
[14:14] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[14:14] Lilith Ivory: ok next next point
[14:14] Lilith Ivory: summary Commerce commision
[14:15] Pip Torok: I don’t think fern answered my question …
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: Fern?
[14:15] Tor Karlsvalt: phone
[14:15] Fern Leissa: Sorry Pip… I think the answer is I don’t know until I talk with the citizens
[14:15] Pip Torok: ok …
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: as you might know I was the chair of this commision last term
[14:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: (Hi Trebor)
[14:16] Lilith Ivory: what we did was to get direct TP in Neufreistadt and to create the office of the Commerce Coordinator
[14:16] Arria Perreault: Hi Trebor
[14:16] Trebor Warcliffe: Hi all
[14:16] Pip Torok: hi Trebor
[14:17] Lilith Ivory: there were some pending ideas but as we have this office now it´s mostly the job of the CC to realize it
[14:17] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[14:17] Lilith Ivory: if we continue this commision it´s mostly to give the CC input and to stay in closer touch with the executive
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: if we want to continue that commision I´d need a RA member willing to chair those meetings
[14:18] You decline Patron Auction House from A group member named Carls Fitzpatrick.
[14:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: Would you be open to doing it, Lili?
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: as I don´t think I´m allowed to do that as LRA
[14:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, nevermind, then.
[14:19] Lilith Ivory: anybody who wants to chair this commision?
[14:19] Fern Leissa: I think I want to suggest that we do not currently need this commission
[14:20] Trebor Warcliffe: Which commission is it Lillith?
[14:20] Trebor Warcliffe: Sorry I arrived very late
[14:20] Guillaume Mistwalker: Commerce, Tr
[14:20] Lilith Ivory: Commerce commision
[14:20] Guillaume Mistwalker: *Trebor
[14:20] Trebor Warcliffe: tu
[14:20] Lilith Ivory: the problem is it´s law to have a RA member as chair
[14:20] Lilith Ivory: so if we don´t find a volunteer it´s useless to vote if we want it to continue or not
[14:21] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:21] Trebor Warcliffe: maybe put it on the sideburner until next meeting?
[14:21] Lilith Ivory: voting about it would be the next step
[14:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: So, keep the populous in touch with the CC?
[14:21] Lilith Ivory: right
[14:21] Lilith Ivory: and hopefully the merchants
[14:21] Trebor Warcliffe: If i remember correctly Arria did some very good work on that commission last term
[14:22] Trebor Warcliffe: Maybe give the RA members a little time to review her work and see who wants to take the reins?
[14:22] Arria Perreault: I was not in Commerce Commission
[14:22] Trebor Warcliffe: Sorry
[14:22] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:22] Trebor Warcliffe: Who ever it was I do remember they were quite active
[14:22] Arria Perreault: and i am not a RA member anymore
[14:22] Mikelo Serevi: well, is the commission necessary?
[14:22] Mikelo Serevi: fern says no
[14:23] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes and no
[14:23] Lilith Ivory: we can move the discussion about commissions to next time
[14:23] Arria Perreault: (in my humble opinion, the bill was passed. this commission is not necessary=
[14:23] Mikelo Serevi: I’m inclined to agreewith fern
[14:23] Lilith Ivory: lets talk about the comissions next time
[14:23] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[14:23] Lilith Ivory: we are here for 2 1/2 hours now
[14:23] Fern Leissa: ok :0
[14:23] Guillaume Mistwalker: I digress.
[14:24] Mikelo Serevi: partly my fault, sry
[14:24] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:24] Fern Leissa: Getting late for Europe
[14:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, not at all, Mik
[14:24] Mikelo Serevi: I just don’t believe in rubber stamping
[14:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: So, I do believe we move to adjoun, now?
[14:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: adjourn, even ツ
[14:24] Lilith Ivory: what do you think about having another meeting next sunday to keep up with work?
[14:24] Pip Torok: seconded
[14:24] Fern Leissa: Can we put it on the agenda for next time?
[14:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: I agree, Lili
[14:25] Mikelo Serevi: I’m ok with that, lilith
[14:25] Pip Torok: agree with madame Chair
[14:25] Lilith Ivory: good
[14:25] Trebor Warcliffe: Lillith may i ask a posting to the discussion board of the transcript in a day or so?
[14:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: I take that as a motion, and passed ツ
[14:25] Lilith Ivory: yes I will do it right after
[14:25] Trebor Warcliffe: tu
[14:25] Pip Torok: not yet passed Gui!
[14:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: No?
[14:25] Mikelo Serevi: the adjourn, or the mext meeting?
[14:25] Pip Torok: no aye or nays …
[14:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: Next meeting
[14:26] Lilith Ivory: think the next meeting has passed as I say aye also
[14:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: It sounded like a motion
[14:26] Pip Torok: ok! …. LRA has ruled!
[14:26] Mikelo Serevi: we all seem agreed anyway
[14:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[14:27] Lilith Ivory: don´t think we have to be all formal with decisions like that
[14:27] Lilith Ivory: ok do we have any more RA member concerns?
[14:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: Agreed, Lili… I’m sure the first dmeocratic discussions didn’t start out very formal ツ
[14:27] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: Gah, democratic…!
[14:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: None for me
[14:27] Pip Torok: nor for me
[14:28] Fern Leissa: none for me
[14:28] Mikelo Serevi has talked enough for now
[14:28] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[14:28] Guillaume Mistwalker is getting hungry, even
[14:28] Pip Torok: and Pips getting thirsty
[14:28] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha.
[14:28] Lilith Ivory: as we are in SL events now I placed questions from visitors/ friends of the CDS on the agenda
[14:28] Lilith Ivory: any questions?
[14:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: It seems we have one visitor, and he seems to have none ツ
[14:29] Pip Torok: I dont have any ….
[14:29] Lilith Ivory: hi Sebastian btw
[14:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: Though, he can surely correct me
[14:29] Lilith Ivory: he is my neighbor at the mainland and got curious about us
[14:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see ツ
[14:30] Lilith Ivory: sorry you missed most of our meeting
[14:30] Mikelo Serevi: welcome, Sebastian
[14:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, welcome
[14:30] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: Oh! I have one point
[14:31] Lilith Ivory: yes?
[14:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: I remember reading about the CDS on a wiki for Second Life
[14:31] Lilith Ivory: yes I remember that also
[14:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: As I’m an assistant to the PIO, I’ll be doing my best to bring that information up-to-date
[14:32] Lilith Ivory: good
[14:32] Lilith Ivory: any announcements?
[14:32] Arria Perreault: I have
[14:32] Trebor Warcliffe: As a citizen of the CDS I agree, good idea huillaume.
[14:32] Tor Karlsvalt: still on phone
[14:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: (Thank you, Trebor ツ )
[14:33] Arria Perreault: I have an announcement
[14:33] Lilith Ivory: yes Arria?
[14:33] Arria Perreault: I would like to give some information about the activities of the Monastery
[14:34] Arria Perreault: The Advent Calendar was a real success. We got almost 1000 unique visitors in 24 days.
[14:34] Trebor Warcliffe: WOW thats excellent
[14:34] Arria Perreault: Many people have asked for missed doors
[14:34] Mikelo Serevi: nice
[14:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: (It was a success for my art collection as well!)
[14:34] Fern Leissa: That is great
[14:35] Arria Perreault: we have opened an exhibition today presenting some painting from a selection of painters who were in the Calendar. The focus is on the representation of women.
[14:35] Pip Torok: 1000 visitors?! … thats advertising!
[14:35] Arria Perreault: ㋡
[14:36] Arria Perreault: This exhibition will be open til 12 February
[14:36] Pip Torok: btw i visited it … I can recommend it
[14:36] Fern Leissa:
[14:36] Mikelo Serevi makes plans to stop by
[14:36] Trebor Warcliffe: Will be visiting it before tomorrow morning myself
[14:36] Arria Perreault: and on 14th February, we will open the tradtion exhibition on a theme related to LOVE ㋡
[14:36] Mikelo Serevi: but of course
[14:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: ツ
[14:37] Guillaume Mistwalker marks his calendar
[14:37] Arria Perreault: I can release the theme: we will present famous lovers couples from the mythology, litterature and history
[14:37] Lilith Ivory: I wonder if we should have LM givers to all our events here and at central places
[14:38] Arria Perreault: and we are working on other projects ㋡
[14:38] Fern Leissa: Thanks Arria. That’s great for traffic, plus sounds interesting for us
[14:38] Arria Perreault: my modest contribution to our community …
[14:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed ツ
[14:38] Lilith Ivory: thanks Arria
[14:39] Mikelo Serevi: the monastery is part of why I settled in CDS
[14:39] Fern Leissa:
[14:39] Arria Perreault: ㋡
[14:39] Guillaume Mistwalker: Gah, the democracy and the government for me!
[14:39] Lilith Ivory: Tor are you back from RL?
[14:39] Mikelo Serevi: yes, but i found it by searching for “democracy”
[14:39] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[14:39] Lilith Ivory: and do you have announcements?
[14:39] Mikelo Serevi:
[14:39] Lilith Ivory: ah ok
[14:39] Tor Karlsvalt: on yhe phone
[14:39] Tor Karlsvalt: almost
[14:40] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:40] Tor Karlsvalt: sory all a friend had trouble with her computer.
[14:40] Fern Leissa: Ah… now I know who to call lol
[14:40] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[14:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha
[14:40] Pip Torok: on a Sunday afternoon, yet!
[14:41] Trebor Warcliffe: This may have been answered earlier but what is going on with the Covenant Commision?
[14:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Arria the monastery sim had 1000 visitors to the sim?
[14:41] Mikelo Serevi: meeting this week
[14:41] Tor Karlsvalt: or was that hits for the Advent Calendar online.
[14:41] Trebor Warcliffe: date/time please
[14:41] Pip Torok: no meetings held yet trebor … but dates for them announced … see transcript
[14:41] Lilith Ivory: Tor do you have any announcements?
[14:41] Trebor Warcliffe: tu
[14:42] Lilith Ivory: or should we adjourn?
[14:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Well, everyone should note that we have a scucribomatic on each sim
[14:42] Pip Torok: lets adjourn … ;0
[14:42] Tor Karlsvalt:
[14:42] Mikelo Serevi: 2nd
[14:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: 3rd!
[14:42] Fern Leissa: saw that Tor. Very nice
[14:42] Lilith Ivory: hehe ok then
[14:42] Lilith Ivory: all in favor to go home please say aye
[14:43] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:43] Pip Torok: aye
[14:43] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[14:43] Tor Karlsvalt:
[14:43] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[14:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye!
[14:43] Lilith Ivory: aye
[14:43] Lilith Ivory: think Gwyn is still afk
[14:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: Time for me to cook my dinner and start this fire…!
[14:43] Lilith Ivory: the meeting is adjourned
[14:44] Pip Torok: and for me to have a glass of fridge-cooled bottled water ….
[14:44] Lilith Ivory: afk for a while to fight with Gwyns color script

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Transcript RA Meeting January 23
by Lilith Ivory » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:01 pm
[12:00] Lilith Ivory: Hi Raffles
[12:00] Mikelo Serevi: hi pip
[12:00] Raffles Resident: Good day!
[12:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello Pip ツ
[12:00] Lilith Ivory: welcome at the Praetorium
[12:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello Raffles@!
[12:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: *!
[12:00] Mikelo Serevi: hi raffles
[12:00] Lilith Ivory: oh hi Pip
[12:00] Pip Torok: hi Mikelo
[12:01] Pip Torok: hi mikelo
[12:01] Raffles Resident nods to Jigme and Pip “Good to see you again gentlemen
[12:01] Pip Torok: i met cadence this morning
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: yes, she’s agreed to build for me
[12:01] Raffles Resident: Miss Lilith, pleased to meet you
[12:01] Pip Torok: good evening raffles
[12:01] Raffles Resident: Pleased to meet you Mikelo too
[12:01] Lilith Ivory: I´m happy to meet you also Raffles
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: how was your first week or two in the CDS?
[12:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Relatively short meeting today, no?
[12:02] Raffles Resident: I am enjoying it immensely thank you
[12:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello Dyanna, welcome to the CDS ツ
[12:02] Dyanna Saxmundham: ty
[12:02] Chat Range: Callipygian Christensen [20m] [12:03] Raffles Resident: Hello again Calli
[12:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello Soro, hi Arria
[12:03] Callipygian Christensen: hello Raffles
[12:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Woops, arria’s not here yet!
[12:03] Raffles Resident: Greetings Dyanna
[12:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Calli!
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: Hi Calli, Soro and Dyanna
[12:03] Raffles Resident: Greetings Soro
[12:03] Raffles Resident:
[12:03] Soro Dagostino: Hello all
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: presently, I’m sure
[12:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello Jerome, welcome to the CDS
[12:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello Keila ツ
[12:04] Jerome Roddenham: Hey
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: Hi Keila, Hi Jerome
[12:04] Raffles Resident: Greetings Keila and Jerome
[12:04] Pip Torok: hello keila, Jerome!
[12:05] Keila Forager: Hi everyone
[12:05] Mikelo Serevi: hi to anyone I’ve missed
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: should we start with Citizens concerns while we are waiting for the others to arrive?
[12:06] Mikelo Serevi: there she is, hi arria
[12:06] Raffles Resident: Greetings Arria
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: Fern told me she can´t come today and asked for 7 day vote
[12:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello Arria ツ
[12:06] Mikelo Serevi: that sounds good
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: Hi Arria
[12:06] Arria Perreault: Hi Guillaume ㋡
[12:06] Arria Perreault: Hi everybody
[12:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, citizens’ concerns sounds best.
[12:07] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: the aganda is in the box and our meetings are transcripted btw
[12:07] Arria Perreault raises hand
[12:07] Raffles Resident nods
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: yes Arria?
[12:08] Pip Torok: citizens should note that anything here is assumed to be publishable …
[12:08] Arria Perreault: I would appreciate to have the agenda in advance in the forum
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: I try hard to manage this Arria
[12:09] Arria Perreault: I’ts hard to get ready for a meeting
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: this time my excuse is that I had problems loggin in at the forum
[12:09] Arria Perreault: meetings are every 2 weeks
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: I agree with you and promise to become better
[12:09] Arria Perreault: you can always ask someone to publish it for you
[12:09] Arria Perreault: thank you ㋡
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: yes but the RA decided to have one this sunday to finish last meetings agenda
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: I will Arria
[12:10] Arria Perreault: Lilith, I can understand your issues and reasons, but publishing the agenda of a meeting of the RA in advance makes our processus more transparent and democratic
[12:10] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[12:10] Keila Forager raises hand
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: Soro?
[12:11] Soro Dagostino: I speak as an ex LRA —
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: yes
[12:11] Soro Dagostino: The task Arria is berating you about is a difficult task.
[12:12] Soro Dagostino: When things on the forum are not working — and its being challanged by a lot of spam.
[12:12] Soro Dagostino: Its nearly impossible.
[12:12] Soro Dagostino: I suggest Arria volunteer to publish it for you.
[12:13] Arria Perreault: with pleasure, Soro
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: under normal circumstances I can post it at the forum and the google calendar
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: Why is spam suddenly more of a problem than before?
[12:13] Arria Perreault: I am always volunteer to improve our democracy
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: for other websites I will need a volunteer indeed
[12:13] Arria Perreault: you can send me a mail at any time
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: thank you Arria
[12:14] Pip Torok: two possible reasons mikelo …
[12:14] Arria Perreault: arria.perreault(a)gmail.com
[12:14] Pip Torok: 1 … weve just been discovered by the spammers
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: can we hear Keilas concern first please?
[12:14] Keila Forager: Thanks
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: before we come to other items
[12:15] Pip Torok: 2 … theyve always been there but gwyn(/) has quietly been pruning them
[12:15] Keila Forager: It is my understanding we have a content archivist which is a paid position.
[12:15] Keila Forager: If that is the case, why has it not been updated with RA transcripts, new elected officials, etc? I happened to skim through a few items this weekend.
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: unfortunately Tor might not be able to come today to answer you
[12:15] Callipygian Christensen: Actually Pip , Gwyn said its some ability spammers or spam bots have found to hack the Capcha system of vetting registrations iirc
[12:16] Keila Forager: If we do have someone in that position, seems we are throwing away a monthy sum of money for very little work to be done.
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: could we please discuss one item after the other??
[12:16] Pip Torok: ah calli that may explain why CAPCHA thin ks ive logged-in too many times
[12:16] Keila Forager: Thanks Lil, but good luck with that..
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: we really have to look at this as the content archivist seemed to be an Alt that holds CDS content
[12:17] Callipygian Christensen: sorry Lilith, Keila
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: and needs no paiment imo
[12:17] Arria Perreault: can I give more info to Keila?
[12:17] Callipygian Christensen would like to comment on that when apropriate
[12:17] Mikelo Serevi: that’s right, that was mentioned before calli, thx
[12:18] Callipygian Christensen: (that being content archivist , to be clear
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: sure Arria
[12:19] Arria Perreault: The RA content archivist (Cindy) has to publish all the info regarding the RA
[12:19] Arria Perreault: she has an account that work
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: oh I thought Keila was talking about the Content Archivist
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: not the RA archivist
[12:19] Arria Perreault: the RA or the LRA should see with her
[12:20] Arria Perreault: the Content Archivist has other task
[12:20] Keila Forager: last RA meetings transcripts published were May
[12:20] Arria Perreault: she has to make an archive with our contents (buildings for example)
[12:20] Keila Forager: the RA members have been updated, but Sonja is still llisted as Chancellor
[12:20] Keila Forager: this does not look good for new residents looking to being part of our community
[12:20] Arria Perreault: the elected people should be published by the PIO or his/her help
[12:21] Arria Perreault: I have offered to help. I did not get an official list
[12:21] Arria Perreault: but I am still willing to help
[12:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: Her help hasn’t the required ability to publish those, Arria
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: I´ll inform the exec again that this needs to be done
[12:21] Keila Forager: transcripts are on the forums and ask Tor
[12:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: I would love to work on that, though the PIO or the executive would have to instruct me to.
[12:22] Arria Perreault: if Tor wants, I can organize an account for someone and some instruction
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: ok other citizens concerns?
[12:23] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: Calli?
[12:23] Callipygian Christensen: re the content archivist, since it’s come up -I’vehad some questions about that position for some time
[12:24] Soro Dagostino: ?me raises hand.
[12:24] Callipygian Christensen: as well as builds, I believe content should include intans, decorations..all the oddsand ends of doing things in CDS
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: seems the position of the content archivist is a miriacle we should look at hehe
[12:25] Callipygian Christensen: no one ever seems to know where anything is, or its been purchased no trans..wouldnt it make sense for part of the payment to the CA to be for a premium account that holds all these things..
[12:25] Callipygian Christensen: and the honorarium cover the time to purchase needed items..rez them when needed etc?
[12:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: Such as Rudeen…?
[12:25] Pip Torok: Can i suggest that tor delegate someone to write a Job descriptiohn of the content Archivist?
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: well, but I think it does not make anything better if we talk about it now
[12:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: And by who is that position being held?
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: isn´t this an issue the exec should take care about?
[12:26] Callipygian Christensen: Pip..its a position that’s exitsted for a long time – has there never been any accountability of what the payment is for?
[12:26] Arria Perreault: Calli, I agree totally with you. This position should be our inventary
[12:26] Pip Torok: not as far as I know, Calli
[12:27] Callipygian Christensen: ok, Ill contact Tor about doing so
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker thought we were discussing the RA archivist…
[12:27] Arria Perreault: maybe the RA can vote a bill about that
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: I will ad this item on our next agenda – (content archivist) if you like
[12:27] Arria Perreault: I am affraid we have bought many items with our money that are non transfert
[12:28] Keila Forager: Content archivist/RA archivist…both are behind in posting on the portal..
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: well, that’s been true for years now
[12:28] Callipygian Christensen: Personally Ithink it is an important role..andthe property of CDS should come under RA scrutiny
[12:28] Arria Perreault: I would even suggest we have an alt for that, like Rudeen
[12:28] Arria Perreault: now we can create alts with any name
[12:28] Pip Torok agrees with Arria
[12:29] Callipygian Christensen: Arria..that is what I meant by pay for a premium account *nod*
[12:29] Arria Perreault: CDS Inventory
[12:29] Arria Perreault: ok
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: I agree with you
[12:29] Arria Perreault: I would suggest the RA makes a law about the use of this alt
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: do we have other citizens concerns?
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: we run a little out of time at the moment
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Lest we do what we did last weekend, haha.
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Shall we continue?
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: lol please dont
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: let´s talk about the commisions
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: we were in the middle of discussing continuing the commerce commision
[12:32] Mikelo Serevi: as I recall, fern said she didn’t think they were needed, and I agreed
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: I studied the RA procedure rules and found out that any interestet citizen can become chair
[12:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, seeing as we have the Commerce Coordinator here, she could advise us on that same matter.
[12:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I agree with Mik & Fern
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: Keila do you want to say something about that commission?
[12:33] Keila Forager: Sure..
[12:35] Keila Forager: I don’t really know much about the commission. I think if CDS really wants to improve commerce or businesses here, it may be a good idea to keep it..
[12:35] Lilith Ivory: in the best of all world business owners could gather there and give input
[12:35] Keila Forager: I have sent out surveys to all of CDS and I have recieved a few, but sadly, the importance of business in CDS so far seems to be very lacking..
[12:36] Keila Forager: So also , if I don’t have your survey, please try and return to me by the end of the month
[12:36] Keila Forager: when I will compile the results
[12:37] Pip Torok wonders whether thats a SL-wide phenomenon in these difficult times
[12:37] Keila Forager: No Pip, this is CDS…
[12:37] Soro Dagostino knows its an RL issue.
[12:37] Keila Forager: I’m talking about the importance of having a business in CDS…
[12:38] Keila Forager: it’s rather apathetic
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: so do we want to continue this commision?
[12:38] Mikelo Serevi: well, it’s up to the business owners to promote themselves
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: or do we need more discussion about that?
[12:38] Keila Forager: Not totally Mikelo
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: together the business owners can get more traffic and sales
[12:39] Keila Forager: So, since this seems to promote some discussion, then I think you should continue the commerce commission
[12:39] Pip Torok: well its for the Traders themselves to give us the input on whether they collectively cd benefit by a commission
[12:39] Mikelo Serevi: also, if we can get more traffic here, it will benefit commerce
[12:39] Keila Forager: If it was up to the businesses, why have a commerce coordinator??
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: I ask that myself
[12:40] Callipygian Christensen: a theiving business sector attracts traffic, more businesses, and exposure to potential residents…
[12:40] Keila Forager: Because it was voted on and passed.
[12:40] Keila Forager: Correct Calli
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: it´s like in RL communities have to take care about busniness owners or they will leave
[12:40] Pip Torok: perhaps a joint effort, keila .. the RA facilitating any collective action the Traders migh wish to take
[12:40] Callipygian Christensen: if the interest is to have CDS grow and thrive, having a commerce coordinator to encourage that is a good thing
[12:41] Keila Forager: BTW, we do have a commerce coordinator..LOL
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: before we createt this office we had a lot of complains by busniess owners
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: so, how many are we talking?
[12:42] Keila Forager: I’m no longer in RA, but seems this discussion is better suited to a Commerce Commission or it will hijack the rest of the meeting
[12:42] Keila Forager: Mikelo, have you not read the forums or notices??
[12:42] Pip Torok agrees
[12:42] Lilith Ivory: anybody willing to chair this commision in case we vote for continuing it?
[12:42] Keila Forager: I’ve sent out surveys and the current business directory asking for input.
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: I read some of them
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, if citizens can chair commissions, why won’t the commerce coordinator chair it?
[12:43] Keila Forager: I also haven’t received a survey back from you..
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: I don’t have a business
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: though I do support local vendors
[12:43] Pip Torok: How about a follow-up query to all those who havent yet replied?
[12:43] Keila Forager: Just shows you didn’t read it, since I’ve asked for input from ALL citizens..
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: would you be willing to chair it Keila?
[12:44] Keila Forager: already done Pip
[12:44] Pip Torok: (ah)
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: all the questions were about ‘my’ business
[12:44] Keila Forager: Not all…
[12:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: Some were, “What is your advise”
[12:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: Which I fear is more useful then knowing about one’s business.
[12:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: *than
[12:45] Lilith Ivory: as Keila didn´t scream no I take it as a yes
[12:45] Soro Dagostino: LOL — I sense a railroad in operation.
[12:45] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:45] Keila Forager: Sure, Lil, but I think but after I publish my findings…
[12:46] Keila Forager: Cuz I might be fired by then…LOL
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: lol I don´t think so heheh
[12:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: I don’t believe so
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: might be a good start for a commision to talk about that
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: we still haven’t established the need for this commission
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: I move we discontinue the commerce commission for the time being.
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: sigh
[12:47] Keila Forager: I don’t care if you own a business, a bunch of land or are a citizen by group or sponsorship. I want the surveys returned to me.. or I will conclude you don’t care about commerce or CDS.
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: you can conclude what you like, it doesn’t make it true
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: I don´t hear a second for your move Mikelo
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: well, I had two agreeing with me before (one absent)
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: This commission will allow communication between the gov. and the citizens
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: can’t they communicate already?
[12:48] Keila Forager: We have elected and appointed officials to try and help and make CDS better, so if you don’t respond on purpose, that is just apathetic
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: With what way to this body?
[12:48] Lilith Ivory: people change their minds all the time
[12:48] Pip Torok: Mik … withn so little input, it wont matter whether the commission is formally wound-up imo …
[12:48] Arria Perreault: I just a remark about that
[12:49] Lilith Ivory: would you please raise your hanbd before speaking Arria?
[12:49] Pip Torok: so that proposal is redundant, i suggest
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: I might add, I feel part of the purpose for all these commissions was to remove planning from this body
[12:49] Pip Torok: 9sorry Mme Chair)
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: yes as planing can be done better in a commison who presents their items to us
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: we don´t have the time here to chat endless about all issues
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: more efficiently perhaps, but to what end?
[12:50] Pip Torok: raises hand
[12:50] Arria Perreault: we have tried to make several commerce commissions, without success. Finally the commission of Lilith came to the conclusion that this question needs an appointed position. It’s a more dynamic solution. Keila can work now. Why do we need an extra commission?
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: the last one was a success Arria
[12:51] Arria Perreault: yes
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: Pip ?
[12:51] Arria Perreault: and the solution is here now: Keila
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: And we can hear citizens’ concerns through a commission better than we can at these meetings
[12:51] Arria Perreault: the only task such a commission could have is to control what Keila does
[12:52] Pip Torok: lets get back to basics … commissions are here to _address a need_ … if there seems to be no need, then the commission is redundatntg
[12:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: Or to get input from the citizens’
[12:52] Arria Perreault: (in this case, I would agree)
[12:52] Mikelo Serevi: how are peope more likely to show up at a commission meeting than here?
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: imo commisions are good for getting input
[12:52] Keila Forager: I’m trying to get input, but a lot of apathetic or not present people here in CDS
[12:52] Soro Dagostino: I agree.
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: isn´t more active citizens what we all want?
[12:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: Because they’d have to read an agenda, whereas the agenda of a commission is in its name.
[12:52] Pip Torok: so … we can let it totter on for a little 9my choice) or put it out of its misery 9mikelo’s) .. lets choose and move on
[12:52] Arria Perreault: citizen -> RA -> executive is the right way
[12:53] Arria Perreault: comission are to prepare a bill for the RA to discuss
[12:53] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Arria
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: Soro?
[12:53] Soro Dagostino: Point of Order.
[12:53] Soro Dagostino: Not motion on the floor.
[12:54] Soro Dagostino: No second.
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: well, I made my motion, anybody?
[12:54] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm…
[12:55] Lilith Ivory: no second for yours so far :9
[12:55] Keila Forager smiles
[12:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: It isn’t apparent that we have reason for a new bill…
[12:55] Lilith Ivory: I´d like to have a motion to continue this commision
[12:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I believe that the Coordinator is capable to hear the citizens’…

[12:55] Pip Torok: so in effect the choice is “let it totter on” (sorry keila)
[12:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: I second Mikelo’s motion.
[12:56] Lilith Ivory: ok
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: the suspense was killing me, thx
[12:56] Lilith Ivory: do we need more dioscussion of can we vote for tabling it till end of days?
[12:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, I fear we may be perfectly dead-locked, tbh.
[12:56] Pip Torok: move to vote
[12:57] Lilith Ivory waits for a second
[12:57] Mikelo Serevi: if we have a second, then we vote, yes?
[12:57] Lilith Ivory: exactly
[12:57] Keila Forager plays music from Jeopady..
[12:57] Mikelo Serevi: we don’t need to move to vote
[12:57] Lilith Ivory giggles insanely
[12:57] Lilith Ivory: pip moved
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: second
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: but ok anybody who wants to table this say aye please
[12:58] Pip Torok: aye
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: pip moved to vote, and I seconded
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: not moved to table
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: and now we vote Mikelo
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: but you said aye to table
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: what did you move then?
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Move to vote on Mik’s motion, preferably.
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: always nice to repeat on what we are voting
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: makes things more easy in this chaos
[13:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: His motion was to drop the commission
[13:00] Pip Torok: Mikelo … “move to vote” means move directly from discussion to the voting process … and a second seconds that proposal
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: yea exactly
[13:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: Seconded by me; motioned to vote by Pip
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: ok, and my proposal again: I move we discontinue the commerce commission for the time being.
[13:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: I second.
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: ok let´s vote on that all in favor say aye
[13:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye.
[13:01] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: (being aware it can be changed the next second after voting
[13:01] Pip Torok: abstain
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: abstain
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: fern has her 7 vote
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Election Commission?
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: too bad gwyn isn’t here to talk about it
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: I think we should table that as Gwyn was the chair last term and I´d like to hear a summary from her before we vote on that
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[13:03] Pip Torok: agree
[13:03] Mikelo Serevi: yes
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye.
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Citizenship Commission
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: ok let´s table this commision
[13:04] Pip Torok again agrees
[13:04] Lilith Ivory: Arria can you tell us if there are pending items in this commision?
[13:04] Mikelo Serevi: well, it served its purpose, right?
[13:04] Arria Perreault: only one
[13:04] Arria Perreault: I think that there is a misunderstanding about one point in the law
[13:04] Arria Perreault: about sponsorship location
[13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, there may be
[13:05] Lilith Ivory: so you think we should continue this commision?
[13:05] Pip Torok: what is the problem exactly, Arria and Guillaume?
[13:05] Callipygian Christensen raises hr hand
[13:06] Arria Perreault: in the mind of the commission, it was clear that the surface of a parcel for sponsor location should be divided in parts of 256 msq to give the amount of possible sponsir citizen for this part
[13:06] Lilith Ivory: Calli, your turn after Arrias answer
[13:06] Arria Perreault: we can’t have an infinite amount of citizen for the Amphitheater
[13:06] Arria Perreault: it was not our idea
[13:07] Arria Perreault: I had even calculated the amount of CDS citizen this new law: 1890
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: And which law says this?
[13:07] Arria Perreault: Guillaume, we have discussed that. I think the wording doesnt correspond to what we had in mind (my mothertongue is not english)
[13:08] Mikelo Serevi: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=425
[13:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, yes, but the law doesn’t give that stipulation
[13:08] Lilith Ivory: maybe the commision should continue and give us a bill with the right text than
[13:08] Arria Perreault: we had this discussion in the forum and I would like to propose an amendment. SO yes, Lilith, we need to meet again
[13:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: It does for groups, but not for sponsorship
[13:08] Lilith Ivory: would you be willing to stay chair?
[13:09] Arria Perreault: yes, of course ㋡
[13:09] Arria Perreault: Guillaume, it was not our idea
[13:09] Soro Dagostino: So she can call meetings with five minutes time.
[13:09] Soro Dagostino: And no agendas.
[13:10] Arria Perreault: I will invite in advance, publish an agenda and even publish the transcripts, Sora
[13:10] Keila Forager smiles at Soro
[13:10] Arria Perreault: and I don’t appreciate your attitude.
[13:10] Lilith Ivory: that´s how commisions should work
[13:11] Soro Dagostino: will you do that for the Colonia Nova group?
[13:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: That was quite a snub, to say the least.
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: See, this is what I was talking about in my post, the nastiness, not necessary imo
[13:11] Arria Perreault: In all positions I had, I did my job (I am also a former LRA)
[13:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye Mik
[13:11] Arria Perreault: what is the Colonia Group?
[13:11] Soro Dagostino: Your the chair.
[13:12] Arria Perreault: I only chair the roman regional committee and I usually do the same
[13:12] Callipygian Christensen: Madame Chair..please call order?
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: ok yes
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: order please
[13:13] Soro Dagostino: Cheeseburger.
[13:13] Arria Perreault: I don’t appreciate, your attitude, Sora and I would like you explane your agressivitiy to this attendance
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Pardon?
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: can we come to voting on the citizenship commision or do we need more discussion?
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: I believe we’ve had enough discussion…
[13:13] Arria Perreault: Soro’s attitude is not acceptable
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: I´d apreciate a motion for voting
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: I motion that we retain this commission
[13:14] Pip Torok: seconded
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: ok
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: all in favor for continuing this commision say aye please
[13:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[13:14] Pip Torok: aye
[13:14] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:15] Arria Perreault: thank you. I will call a meeting soon
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: ok the citizenship commission will be continued
[13:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: Finance Commission?
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: unfortunately we might have to table this also as Tor was the chair and he excused himself also today
[13:16] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[13:16] Pip Torok: nods
[13:16] Mikelo Serevi: I’d like to hear what the commission was about
[13:16] Mikelo Serevi: yes
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: yes same here
[13:17] Pip Torok: do you mean the subject area of the commission Mik?
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: but of course it can be read somewhere in the forum
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: specific goals, more like
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: let´s wait for Tor so he can tell us about it
[13:19] Mikelo Serevi: do we need to move or are we happy to table?
[13:19] Guillaume Mistwalker: I’m happy to table
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: seems like nobody disagrees with that
[13:19] Pip Torok: i’d feel very happy to table
[13:19] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed.
[13:19] Mikelo Serevi: all righty then
[13:19] Mikelo Serevi:
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: makes sense imo
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: Communications Commision:
[13:20] Pip Torok: raises hand
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: yes Pip?
[13:21] Pip Torok: i understand that this commission was a vehicle to benefit from kaeido special expertise
[13:22] Pip Torok: in media studies … now we have a differen situation and kas is part of a group of sims no longer in contact with us …
[13:22] Pip Torok: so I propose that we wind up this commission .. unless we can find another expert!
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: uhm the fact that Kas left does not mean we have to stop communicating
[13:22] Pip Torok: done
[13:23] Guillaume Mistwalker: Is that a motion?
[13:23] Mikelo Serevi: well, the chancellor is doing a lot of the communications items now, right?
[13:23] Keila Forager raises hand and says, communication is poor in CDS and seems we need some help
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: last time we were talking about new ways to make the CDS known in SL and elsewhere
[13:23] Arria Perreault: I am volunteer ㋡
[13:23] Pip Torok: no … but isnt a commission on communicatinfg there to find means to better communicate …
[13:23] Arria Perreault: I did a lot in this domain
[13:23] Pip Torok: well always communicate, no matter what
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: so I think we have to continue this commissiomn
[13:23] Mikelo Serevi: haha
[13:24] Mikelo Serevi: well, did communications mean things like the forum and twitter and all?
[13:24] Pip Torok: question is are there prospects of definite benifits if we continue?
[13:24] Pip Torok: yes Mik
[13:25] Keila Forager: Absolutely
[13:25] Mikelo Serevi: so are these things covered?
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: Mikelo, you were sugesting to find ways to bring political interested people in the CDS
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: this commission could work on that also
[13:26] Pip Torok: sounds like mission-creep, lilith!
[13:26] Mikelo Serevi: yes, but we can do that anyway. I’m working on one now
[13:26] Lilith Ivory: but as you are working on it anyway, why not in a commision?
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: what Pip?
[13:27] Mikelo Serevi: I don’t see a point myself, now that I’m thinking about it
[13:28] Pip Torok: well if we extend the purposes of any one commission … it vitiates the drive behind it … gives it too many purposes …
[13:28] Pip Torok: (its what politicians mean by “mission-creep” btw)
[13:29] Mikelo Serevi: and geeks call it “scope creep”
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: I see
[13:30] Mikelo Serevi: where a project starts to do something, and changes/bloats
[13:30] Pip Torok: as I see it kas concentrated on technical aids to communication
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: in fact I don´t see any reason why not to continue this commission
[13:31] Mikelo Serevi: I’m on the fence
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: we need to be better known and we should work on that
[13:31] Mikelo Serevi: Will it overlap with the information officers?
[13:31] Pip Torok wd be happier if the name better reflected the function of the commission
[13:32] Keila Forager is confused
[13:32] Pip Torok: no … imo
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: what´s wrong with the name?
[13:32] Mikelo Serevi: “communication” is a tad vague
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: any better idea how to call it?
[13:32] Mikelo Serevi: it sounds more like public relations
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: isn´t it what this commission is about?
[13:33] Pip Torok: well “bringing in politically aware ppl into CDS”(?) isnt communication, and im not sure what it is … Mikelo?
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: yes, but so is chatting in SL
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: I see what you mean though
[13:34] Keila Forager: This is the first RA meeting i’ve seen advance notice of, so the other meetings had lack of communication for a meeting time…
[13:34] Pip Torok: you see i dont see the purpose youre driving at by doing this, mikelo
[13:34] Mikelo Serevi: I suspect the holidays had something to do with that
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: bringing in political interested people can be part of it but also the commission can work on banner advertisement like mentioned last meeting
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: you seemed to love talking about that issue
[13:35] Mikelo Serevi: wait, doing what, Pip?
[13:35] Keila Forager: sorry lil, just example
[13:35] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:35] Pip Torok: proposing “bringing in polirtically aware ppl” … (whoever they are)
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: why can´t we just leave the old name of that commission?
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: and continue it?
[13:36] Keila Forager: communication
Definition
com·mu·ni·ca·tion[ kə myni káysh’n ]com·mu·ni·ca·tions Plural
NOUN
1. exchange of information: the exchange of information between people, e.g. by means of speaking, writing, or using a common system of signs or behavior
2. message: a spoken or written message
3. act of communicating: the communicating of information
4. rapport: a sense of mutual understanding and sympathy
5. access: a means of access or communication, e.g. a connecting door
[13:37] Mikelo Serevi: oh, I was thinking that people interested in politics might be more engaged
[13:37] Lilith Ivory: ty Keila
[13:37] Pip Torok: ok … but i still am not clear exactly what purpose and/or benefit mikelo has in mind …
[13:37] Lilith Ivory: we do need people who actively participate in our community
[13:38] Pip Torok: i see … so in effect it is a hope that this will happen …
[13:38] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:39] Pip Torok: in effect an anti-apathy campaign …
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: for example
[13:39] Keila Forager raises hand to say we also need more effective communicaton between the community in CDS…seems the forum and notices aren’t really working..
[13:39] Pip Torok: good point, Keila!
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: I wonder wether the CDS is more visible in search now or if we still have to work on that also
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: another item the commission can take care of
[13:40] Keila Forager hangs head..sorry, spoke out of turn. No longer in RA
[13:40] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:40] Pip Torok: youre still a citizen keila .. and you have the right to make such comments
[13:41] Keila Forager: Yes, but spoke out of turn ..
[13:41] Mikelo Serevi: yes, I dont know that it needs to be that formal
[13:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: Is anyone will to chair the commission…?
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: well, normally non RA members should raise their hands first
[13:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: *willing
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: but as it seems we all have to get used to this again
[13:41] Keila Forager raises hand and says, yes, Mikelo it should be..
[13:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Pardon, I’m a bit AFK-y
[13:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Mik, are you up to it?
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: ok Gui
[13:42] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, I’m not sure it’s necessary to have a whole commission about it
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: anybody willing to chair this commission?
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: the more people are thinking about it the better I think
[13:43] Mikelo Serevi: how does it overlap with Tor and the PIOs?
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: there might be people with different skills that can be helpful
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: I don´t think we should leave all work for the exec alone
[13:44] Pip Torok agrees
[13:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, I’m not exactly sure how it effects Anna, but my job is basically to host the metanomics show
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: the commision can present bills and tell the exec what else to do
[13:44] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: suggest I mean
[13:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: So, we communicate to the viewers of Metanomics, yes.
[13:46] Keila Forager raises hand
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: I don´t think this commison is about how to talk to those people
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: yes Keila?
[13:48] Lilith Ivory: Keila?
[13:48] Keila Forager: A communications commission can be used for so many things. Like developing other ways of communicating in world with residents. And maybe even be given the job of getting us in Showcase…that is such an easy thing to do and I have a place there and it’s only 8K sqm. If we don’t communicate with our own residents and residents on the grid,
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: good point Keila
[13:49] Keila Forager: then it’s just us…and just us will fade away as we continue to lose citizens without gaining more..New citizens bring new ideas. A commission could be a good place for them to go with fresh observations of CDS and ideas
[13:49] Lilith Ivory nods
[13:50] Pip Torok strongly agrees
[13:50] Keila Forager: I have some good ideas sometimes
[13:50] Keila Forager: hehe
[13:50] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: anybody volunteering to chair this commision?
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: in case we vote for it
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: Mikelo?
[13:51] Pip Torok: also excellent preparation for thinking, debating, and coming to conclusions
[13:51] Mikelo Serevi declines
[13:51] Mikelo Serevi: but thank you
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: uhm …
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: anybody else?
[13:51] Guillaume Mistwalker shakes his head
[13:52] Arria Perreault: there are other RA members who are not here today …
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: yes I agree
[13:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: We could table it until we have a chair…
[13:53] Callipygian Christensen: if chairs dont have to be a RA member, why not announce the position and seek a volunteer form the populace
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: I think we should vote wether we want to continue or not and try to find a chair in the forum
[13:53] Pip Torok: until we have a chair? G … could be a long time
[13:53] Keila Forager: /notices will reach more people..
[13:53] Mikelo Serevi: unless someone is dying to do it, I think we should discontinue
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: as we came so far now I wouldn´t want to table the whole item
[13:54] Pip Torok: i propose we discontinue this commission
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: we could vote for continuing it if we find a chair – or not
[13:54] Mikelo Serevi: second
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: sigh ok
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: anybody in favor for Pips motion say aye please
[13:55] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:55] Raffles Resident raises hand “Erm”
[13:55] Pip Torok: shall we move to a vote, Madame chair?
[13:55] Pip Torok: aye
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: I just called to vote – is it imoprtant now what you want to say Raffles?
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: Raffles?
[13:56] Mikelo Serevi: looks like he’s typing
[13:57] Raffles Resident: I think that it is an important thing, communication within and outreach… I would hate to see it fold…. could UI be considered?
[13:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ulysse?
[13:57] Raffles Resident: *I
[13:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah
[13:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: You want to be chair?
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: I agree with you Raffles
[13:58] Raffles Resident: If I can be, being so new a citizen
[13:58] Arria Perreault: Raffles, why not to wait the vote of the RA
[13:58] Arria Perreault: ?
[13:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: I believe you can
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: I think you should be able to chair it
[13:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: Are we voting now, Lil?
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: well having a chair might influence the decisions of RA members
[13:58] Pip Torok: oftentimes .. its good that a fresh outlook can direct a commission
[13:59] Raffles Resident: If it had been voted against, would it not have lost impetus Arria?
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: RA members
[13:59] Mikelo Serevi: yes, I moved to discontinue…
[13:59] Arria Perreault: I was volunteer too, Lilith, read back
[13:59] Arria Perreault: nobody has reacted
[13:59] Mikelo Serevi: I missed that
[13:59] Arria Perreault: look back
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: as everybody just talks without order I might have missed something
[13:59] Pip Torok: the vote was never completed btw
[14:00] Mikelo Serevi: yes, we were voting to discontinue since there were no chairs…
[14:00] Raffles Resident: I don’t wish to usurp Arria, should she wish to chair it
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: right
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: but now it seems we have two people willing to volunteer
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: Arria and Raffles
[14:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: It seems that Raffles has conceded in favour of Arria.
[14:01] Pip Torok: Madame Chair I believe its for you to rule whether this vote should continue, or no

[14:01] Raffles Resident: I’d be happy to assist Arria
[14:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Shall we vote?
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: as we have new facts now we can vote on Pips motion first and hopefully I get a motion to continue the commission after
[14:02] Arria Perreault: it’s a topic for whicj a lot of knowledge is needed
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: Pip you still want to discontinue it?
[14:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Pip, pardon, what was your motion exactly?
[14:03] Pip Torok: Madame Chair I believe its for you to rule whether this vote should continue, or no
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: I can not just ignore a motion with a second
[14:03] Pip Torok: then we can put a new proposal if necessary
[14:03] Pip Torok: so what do you rule?
[14:04] Mikelo Serevi: she said continue, I think
[14:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: ok do I hear a motion to discontinue this commission ?
[14:04] Pip Torok: continue with the vote?
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: or do I hear a motion to continue it?
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: or both ??
[14:04] Mikelo Serevi: I thought we were going to finish voting?
[14:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: I believe we have Pip’s motion to discontinue
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: well I should call for that vote again I think
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: so everybody who wants this commission to be dis continued say aye please
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[14:05] Pip Torok: yes but we are IN THE MIDDLE OF VOTING … please madame Chair can you rule whther this voting should continue or not?
[14:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: She has Pip- your vote?
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: we are about to continue it
[14:06] Pip Torok: then we can do other things
[14:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Mik’s given his
[14:06] Pip Torok: it was aye
[14:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: I vote against the motion.
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: gez can´t we just vote now?
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: nay
[14:06] Mikelo Serevi: we have a 7-day vote
[14:07] Lilith Ivory: right
[14:07] Lilith Ivory: have to translate your chat into aye and nay hehe
[14:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Nay
[14:07] Lilith Ivory: seems to be two aye and two nay so far
[14:07] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[14:08] Keila Forager raises hand to add more confusion….
[14:08] Pip Torok: (my apologies for shouting, Madame Chair)
[14:08] Lilith Ivory: lol
[14:08] Lilith Ivory: Keila?
[14:08] Keila Forager: Does the vote stand since the motion was to disband because there was no chiar, and now 2 volunteers.
[14:08] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:09] Mikelo Serevi happens to think a commission for this is also unneeded
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: for me it seemed that it didn´t matter to pip wether we have chairs or not
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: and the RA members did know we have ones
[14:09] Keila Forager: yes, sorry, finally find the actual motion…
[14:10] Keila Forager: found
[14:10] Callipygian Christensen: I dont thinkreasons for the motion matter..Pip chose not to withdraw it or amend it..its voted on
[14:10] Arria Perreault: I think we have to wait the final result of this vote
[14:10] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand retroactivley
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: right Calli
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: and I´ve to call for vote no matter wether I like it or not
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: Calli?
[14:11] Callipygian Christensen: no..nothing..go on
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: exactly Arria
[14:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: I believe that hand-raising was after-the-fact
[14:11] Pip Torok: its knots like these that reinforce an argument that once a vote is started … it should continue with interruption
[14:11] Pip Torok: *without
[14:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed.
[14:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: F New Commissions?
[14:11] Mikelo Serevi: technically, it should, but these things are messy
[14:12] Lilith Ivory: does anybody have ideas about what else commisions we need?
[14:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: There’s been alot of talk about creating a new sim, West of NFS and South of Monastery
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: seems to be more a guilt issue imo
[14:13] Pip Torok: i think this is an area where input from new citizens wd be really beneficial
[14:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Do we need a commission for that?
[14:13] Mikelo Serevi: what, ppl don’t like that hole in the grid?
[14:13] Mikelo Serevi:
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: isn´t there a work group within the guilt
[14:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: It seems Raffles’s disappeared
[14:14] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:14] Keila Forager believes we have talked about it in New Guild meetings
[14:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see
[14:15] Keila Forager: wb Raffles
[14:15] Raffles Resident: thank you, apologies
[14:15] Mikelo Serevi: crash, looked like
[14:15] Pip Torok: yes … welcome back
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: wb Raffles
[14:16] Raffles Resident smiles in thanks
[14:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, welcome
[14:16] Pip Torok is reminded of english ppl who apologise when _their_ toe is stepped upon ….
[14:16] Lilith Ivory: as we are over time already I suggest you to think about wehter you want to see a new commision and tell me before the next meeting so I can put it on the agenda
[14:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ok
[14:17] Mikelo Serevi: sounds like a good idea
[14:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[14:17] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: So… Announcements & adjourn?
[14:17] Lilith Ivory: do we have RA members concerns?
[14:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: I have none
[14:17] Mikelo Serevi: nor I
[14:18] Pip Torok: madame Chair can I ask you to consider putting Questions from friends WITH Citizens concerns?
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: ok I can do that
[14:18] Lilith Ivory: just though there might be questions after the meeting
[14:19] Lilith Ivory: as before interested guest don´t know how we work
[14:19] Lilith Ivory: either works for me
[14:20] Lilith Ivory: as we don´t have visitors at the moment we can come to anouncements anyway
[14:20] Pip Torok: it may be too much to expect friends to sit thru 2 hours of something they may only half-understand …
[14:21] Lilith Ivory: well ok I can at this to citizens concerns also
[14:21] Lilith Ivory: ad
[14:21] Lilith Ivory: any anouncements?
[14:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: I do, yes.
[14:22] Lilith Ivory: Gui?
[14:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: As I am making the Floralia temple and its grounds (which are having some very positive feedback already), I require some money for the cult statue of Flora, which Mik and Tor came with me earlier to see. In order to raise money, I am thinking on planing a “Tour de la Conféderation”
[14:23] Guillaume Mistwalker: Which will be a race all around the CDS by car, chariot, bike or running, etc…
[14:23] Lilith Ivory: sounds fun
[14:23] Mikelo Serevi looks for a steed in his inv
[14:24] Lilith Ivory: when will it happen?
[14:24] Keila Forager: Speak to Tor , if it is a CDS event for money, if it’s in the budget
[14:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: I hope to have such a race in either March or April and *hopefully* I can pull together some monetary rewards, make a nice trophy and/or get some to give free things ツ
[14:24] Callipygian Christensen: Rl is demanding I make a long overduereturn to it..enjoy your afternoon/evening.night everyone
[14:24] Mikelo Serevi: bye Calli
[14:24] Lilith Ivory: see you Calli
[14:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: And it is, Keila, but it will also open some interest into the CDS and the festival
[14:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: Bye Calli!
[14:25] Raffles Resident: Nite Calli!
[14:25] Keila Forager: Speak to me after meeting about it, maybe we can plan a market..
[14:25] Keila Forager: to coincide
[14:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ok, wonderful ツ
[14:25] Lilith Ivory: cool
[14:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: Oh, yes, I was meant to talk to you about a market for Floralia as well
[14:25] Keila Forager: AFter the meeting pls
[14:25] Lilith Ivory: any other announcements?
[14:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: Of course ツ
[14:26] Lilith Ivory: if not I move to adjourn this meeting
[14:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: I second
[14:26] Lilith Ivory: all in favor say aye please
[14:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[14:26] Mikelo Serevi: aye, only 2.5hours
[14:26] Mikelo Serevi:
[14:27] Lilith Ivory: waiting for Pip
[14:27] Lilith Ivory: aye from me also
[14:27] Pip Torok: aye
[14:27] Guillaume Mistwalker is thinking we may need to attack Pip with som IMs to wake him up
[14:27] Lilith Ivory: ok this meeting is adjourned
[14:27] Lilith Ivory: we become better hehe
[14:27] Pip Torok: touche Guillaume!
[14:28] Mikelo Serevi: thx lilith
[14:28] Keila Forager: OK, I’m off to walk the dogs…back later..
[14:28] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ok, see you soon
[14:28] Raffles Resident: Bye Keila!
[14:28] Mikelo Serevi: I must get to Rl myself
[14:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ok
[14:29] Mikelo Serevi: bye keila
[14:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: Bye Mik
[14:29] Lilith Ivory: see you all later guys
[14:29] Lilith Ivory: I´ve to run also

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Transcript RA Meeting February 6
by Lilith Ivory » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:42 pm
[11:51] Lilith Ivory: Hi Mikelo
[11:51] Mikelo Serevi: hi
[11:55] Mikelo Serevi: People really like to be on the dot
[11:56] Lilith Ivory: hehe looks like it
[11:57] Lilith Ivory: it´s always exciting to find out wether we have a quorum or not
[11:57] Mikelo Serevi: well it is superbowl sunday, isn’t it?
[11:58] Lilith Ivory: I´ve been told so
[11:58] Lilith Ivory: but didn´t get any request for 7 day votes
[11:58] Lilith Ivory: Hi Pip
[11:58] Mikelo Serevi: hi pip
[11:58] Pip Torok: hi everyone!
[11:58] Lilith Ivory: at least no super bowl in UK
[11:59] Pip Torok: no … but wait till 2012
[11:59] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[11:59] Lilith Ivory: hopefully I won´t be LRA then
[11:59] Lilith Ivory: did anybody hear about Cindy?
[11:59] Pip Torok: well it is a long time away!
[11:59] Lilith Ivory: I didn´t see her at all this year
[11:59] Pip Torok: i havent
[11:59] Lilith Ivory: sigh
[12:00] Mikelo Serevi: no, I wonder if she has gotten that city council potision she spoke of
[12:00] Pip Torok: possible … i have her skype
[12:00] Lilith Ivory: at least she could send us a note than
[12:00] Pip Torok: i can IM her
[12:00] Lilith Ivory: I´ll try to contact her also if she does not come today
[12:01] Pip Torok: if you care to dictate a note i’ll gladly skype it
[12:01] Lilith Ivory: yikes maybe after the meeting
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: “Yo, where u at?”
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi:
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: need to keep my aganda in mind hehe
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: is this in the box today’s? it says 1/23, but the note is dated today
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: it looks current, too
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: I smuggled a new agenda in when I arrived
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: also a citizens concern
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: yes, I saw
[12:03] Arria Perreault: Hi Lilith ㋡
[12:03] Pip Torok: todays agenda?
[12:03] Arria Perreault: Hi Mikelo ㋡
[12:03] Pip Torok: hi Arria
[12:03] Arria Perreault: Hi Pip ㋡
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: hi Arria!
[12:03] Pip Torok: hi jerome!
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: grrr it´s the new one just with the old date
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: i´ts hard to be perfect hehe
[12:03] Pip Torok: oh!
[12:04] Mikelo Serevi: ok, np
[12:04] Mikelo Serevi often leaves out these details himself
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: now
[12:05] Pip Torok: hi Tor!
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: we still need one more to have a quorum
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: Hi Jeroma
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: Hi Tor
[12:06] Arria Perreault: Hi Jeroma
[12:06] Arria Perreault: ㋡
[12:06] Mikelo Serevi: grumble grumble
[12:06] Tor Karlsvalt: ha all
[12:06] Arria Perreault: Hi Tor ㋡
[12:06] Tor Karlsvalt: hi anna
[12:06] Jeroma Wycliffe: Hi all
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:06] Mikelo Serevi: hi Tor
[12:06] Tor Karlsvalt: Arria
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: I propose to have a TV here with live Super Bowl
[12:06] Mikelo Serevi: and visitors, hi Jeroma
[12:06] Tor Karlsvalt: oh not until 6:30 est
[12:07] Mikelo Serevi: lol lilith, that could increase attendance
[12:07] Lilith Ivory smiles wisely
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: hi Mikelos and Hi Jeoma
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: I know you guys
[12:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Lil you don’t think we will last that long?
[12:07] Pip Torok: i’ll support you if we have wall2wall coverage of the 2012,Olympics
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: no way hehe
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: I postet the time of this meeting last weekend
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: so this time it´s not me if people don´t know eheh
[12:09] Tor Karlsvalt: well Lil here are what we call Superbowl Parties
[12:09] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:09] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Beer, beer and
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: grrrrr
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:09] Tor Karlsvalt: did I say beer
[12:09] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:09] Mikelo Serevi: chips, bbq
[12:10] Pip Torok: sounds unhealthily english to me!
[12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: I think beer drinking hooligans are very international ,-)
[12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Well Green Bay beat my Bears
[12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: haa
[12:11] Pip Torok: ah yes … the team with the wonder-manager
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: and you didn´t even get their outfit
[12:11] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Arria, Really like that temple Guillaume built
[12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: and I bought a gondola
[12:12] Pip Torok: whens the eta of the temple btw?
[12:13] Arria Perreault: yes, Guillaume has made a great work
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: yes he got the statue yesterday.
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: aaah here comes Fern
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: hi Fern
[12:13] Arria Perreault: I have called a meeting of the roman regional committee for next week, so we can start to work seriously on Floriala
[12:13] Pip Torok: hi Fern!
[12:13] Arria Perreault: Floralia
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: great
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: Hi Fern
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: Hi fern
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: welcome Ms quorum hehe
[12:13] Arria Perreault: Hi Fern ㋡
[12:13] Fern Leissa: Hi Mikelo
[12:14] Fern Leissa: Hi Arria
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: I and fern were talkng maybe of a horse race
[12:14] Fern Leissa: Very sorry to be late
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: np fern
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: better late then never
[12:14] Arria Perreault: come to the meeting. we will make the program
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: oh Hi Gwyn
[12:14] Pip Torok: well were not short of horses tho not in CDS
[12:14] Arria Perreault: Hi Gwyn ㋡
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Gwyn
[12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi and sorry!
[12:14] Mikelo Serevi: Gwyn, hi
[12:14] Pip Torok: hi Gwyn!
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: seems like we can start the meeting now
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: agenda and a citizen concern are in the box
[12:15] Pip Torok: < re-saw "they shoot horses don't they" last night >
[12:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh my. The citizen concern is something very serious!…
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: absolutely!
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: that´s why I´m happy to have a quorum today
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: should we talk about it first?
[12:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mm hmm
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi nods
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: does everybody have the notecard or want me to post it in chat?
[12:17] Arria Perreault: I have read it
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: maybe I should for the transcriüpt
[12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think so, yes….
[12:17] Arria Perreault: I agree that it is an important topic (transparency)
[12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: Concern of Citizen.
It has recently come to my attention that the executive team of CDS has been offering our land, and in fact has sold some, at “negotiated” prices. No where on our forums or portal do these prices appear, so that they are available to all purchasers. I see no where in the transcripts that such negotiations have been approved by the RA. When I have questioned the chancellor on this, I was told that it is up to the chancellor to do whatever he wishes with our land. That is not my understanding, and certainly not the way land sales have been conducted in the past. Could the RA address this and explain what kind of notice and documentation the people of CDS are entitled to when it comes to pricing our land? When the 0 L land sales act expired in February 2010, it was my understanding that land was only to be offered for the published, statutory prices, until such time as the RA reconsidered. Has the RA relinquished that right?
Land in SL is in crisis, and it makes sense that the RA revisit this important subject, but in a democracy, there should be adequate notice, and such prices should be available to all, not just the lucky few who happen to chat with the chancellor and make “deals.”
Thank you.
Rose Springvale.
[12:17] Arria Perreault: yes, better to paste it
[12:18] Arria Perreault: Hi Guillaume ㋡
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: Hi Gui
[12:18] Mikelo Serevi: almost a full house now
[12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: hi Guillaume
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: cool
[12:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello, pardon my lateness… Though, it’s a blessing I checked my e-mail.
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: transcript and the citizens concern we are talking about now are in the box
[12:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi Guillaume
[12:19] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Gwyn ツ
[12:20] Pip Torok: well Tor made an initiative and i believe its for the whole RA to give its approval or otherwise
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: I always was in favor for reduced land prices
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: We don’t actually need the income right now, although I agree it should be transparent
[12:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, I think that are several issues here at stake… 1) Is this allowed under the *current* legislation? 2) Has it been effectively used? 3) Is it a “loophole” or something that we wish, henceforward, to be the case? (if so, and if it’s not clear in the legislation that the Chancellor has the power of setting the prices at will, then we should vote on a new bill to clarify that)
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: For example, I bought land last week and paid the full price…
[12:22] Pip Torok: speaking for myself, i understand that tor ok’d this arrangement with Sudane, an felt that under present dire economic circumstances an initiative was called … though of course I am not speaking for the RA as a whole
[12:22] Mikelo Serevi: Yes, but we don’t want to be accused of making insider deals
[12:23] Pip Torok: “insider” ? in what way, Mikelo?
[12:23] Mikelo Serevi: If the chancellor likes you you get a good deal, otherwise not, that kind of thing
[12:23] Mikelo Serevi: The CDS could be accused of corruption
[12:24] Pip Torok: ah .. but in these circumstances its land chasing ppl, not the other way around
[12:24] Arria Perreault: Hi Soro ㋡
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: Hi Soro
[12:24] Soro Dagostino: Hello All.
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Soro
[12:24] Pip Torok: … so imo insider deals are not possible
[12:24] Mikelo Serevi: Gwyn’s point was good, was it in fact legal?
[12:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn is still trying to look at the current legislation
[12:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You know how that is…
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: there is noen
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: none
[12:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I did expect as much, Tor
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: I think we should talk more about what Gwyn said
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: this might lead us to decisions
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: yes Tor
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: I have a statement
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: yes?
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: perhaps i could put some persective on this and the constitutional issues that are in lay
[12:26] Fern Leissa: I’m in agreement with Gwyn. We need to figure out what is allowed, what’s not and if there’s nothing clear in the law, we need legislation that provides guidance for the Chancellor
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: firt let me state before my statement ahha
[12:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, so far, I’ve just found NL9-3: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=241
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: selling land requires my inpute or anna, and Sudane’s
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: it is not likely that any secret deals will be entered into
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: please open local chat
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Recently, I citizen became concerned about my practice of negotiating prices for land in CDS. I should point out that this has not resulted in a huge sale of land. But has had some minor success.
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: First, let me state, that it is impractical that every action of the exec be public or require pre-approveal by the RA.
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: And our system of equal branches requires checks and balances but not subversion of one branch by another.
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: But to answer any concerns I would like to make a statement on record with the RA.
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: It is well within the powers of the executive to set the price of land and to negotiate a sales prices.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: My attempts to sell land in CDS have been completely above board. In every instance, I have shown land set on the yellow map and land not set for sale.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: In at least one instance this practice led to a sale, albeit at a negotiated price. The seller obviously was unaware of a desirable parcel being available.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: At no time have I or Anna bought land and then sold it at a discount to people we determined to be desirable. Nor have we refused to negotiate with people of a certain political persuasion.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Indeed politics, beyond information about our system and democracy, is not discussed or a concern.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Nor have we used our position to curry favor or request any sort of consideration from buyers in the form of money or political influence.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Nor have I or any in the exec team used personal funds to subsidize the purchase of parcels and thus possibly influence the political makeup of CDS.
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: My goal has merely been to keep CDS financially healthy, guard against any need to dip into reserves for operating expenses and bring new members into our community.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The portal defines the charts as the original prices. There is no mention that the prices are statutory or permanent.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The concept of statutory prices may have become a convention in the minds of many. But I cannot find any act to make original land prices the statutory price of land.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The establishment of prices as permanent seems unreasonable and therefore, I would not have expected reasonable people, aware of markets and especially the market in SL, to write land prices into the law.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: My position that I could set land prices was presented to the RA on December 16th in the State of the Sim Address.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: [12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: The government will set properties for sale at a reasonable rate with the stress on having most properties set for sale. Sale prices of property held by CDS will be reduced to a reasonable market rate.
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: The constitution allows the Chancellor to determine the use of land and make regulations regarding management of the sim (land).
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: This general power, along with the fact that there is no limiting statute, and that sale of land has long been a function of the executive,
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: and that the controls for setting land are part of the EM all indicate to me that the executive can set the price of land.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: It is with deep regret that a controversy may ensue from the exec teams actions. I can assure you that at no time was it my intention to skirt the any law or operate in the dark.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Further, no parties to any land deals were under any request of silence. In all cases I and my team have acted according to the best interest of CDS and SL land markets.
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you
[12:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right! Thank you, Tor!
[12:31] Pip Torok: raises hand
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: that is the executive postiton
[12:31] Fern Leissa: Yes thank you tor
[12:31] Arria Perreault raises hand
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: thank you Tor
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: Pip first than Arria :9
[12:32] Pip Torok: it seems to me that the raiser of the concern has not checked the current legislation ..
[12:32] Pip Torok: and I wonder for what purpose the concern was ever raised
[12:32] Pip Torok: done
[12:33] Arria Perreault: I have questions: is the yellow map activated? are all land owned by Rudeen Edo for public sale (no matter for the price)? is the list in the forums regularly updated ?
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[12:33] Arria Perreault: my concern is: can everybody become a citizen or does he/she need a “negociation” with the Chancellor?
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: The list in the forum is regularly updated by Anna.
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: that is the easy question.
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Anyone is fee to by any parcel set for sale without intervention by the chancellor
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: most land is on the yellow map.
[12:35] Tor Karlsvalt: Settting the yellow map on all parcels raises some market ing concerns.
[12:35] Tor Karlsvalt: In the past and currently, we desire a balance so the sim does not look like a firesale
[12:35] Arria Perreault: (I see no yellow)
[12:36] Mikelo Serevi: It was on this week, when I bought a parcel
[12:36] Arria Perreault: (now I see)
[12:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: (have you checked the “Land for Sale”?)
[12:36] Lilith Ivory: I see more yellow than I want to see
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I see plenty of yellow
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: you have to dump your cache
[12:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, ok.
[12:36] Arria Perreault: it’s ok now
[12:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lots of yellow indeed
[12:36] Arria Perreault: I see 20 parcels
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: indeed I think more land is put on sale than would have been in the past
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: It is my policy that I show all land, set for sale or not
[12:37] Mikelo Serevi: Of course, the presence of yellow does not always indicate crisis…
[12:37] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: any land owned by Rudeeen is for sale parying public land
[12:37] Lilith Ivory: yes Soro?
[12:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: I think it would for us, Mikelo, especially because of our age
[12:37] Arria Perreault: thank you, Tor
[12:37] Soro Dagostino: Past adminsitration have regulated the yellow listings.
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: one thing more
[12:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn *raises hand* but might be afk for a few minutes and miss her call lol
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: oh sorry Tor – I thought you were done
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: I have make a point to keep land along the river set for sale as this is very desirable
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: sorr
[12:39] Soro Dagostino: /mr done
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: if gywn is taking a moment can i say something
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: fine for me
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Ok
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I feel I coud be more agressive in lowering prices, however, I try not to compete with citizens who are selling prarcels.
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: Often they list parcels at a too high of a price
[12:40] Guillaume Mistwalker nods at that fact.
[12:41] Soro Dagostino agrees
[12:41] Mikelo Serevi wonders why
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: so that is one reason I have been hesitane to post lower prices.
[12:41] Mikelo Serevi: It does cost more here, but is there a reason?
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree mik, but even if I get basically tier for he month, that is more than ohters are charging.
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: I´d still like to see land pricing guidelines somewhere
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Chung is selling regions for no money
[12:42] Pip Torok: imo a useful ploy these days is for the seller to ask the buyer what price he will offer, then accept/refuse the offer
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: probably true pip

[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I really woudl advise against prices being in the law.
[12:42] Fern Leissa: Agree Tor… Not just Chung. a lot of estate owners are selling for 1 dollar. Presumably the money to be made is in the tier
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker agrees with Pip
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: I don’t think actual prices should be, but maybe consistency
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker agrees with Tor, too
[12:43] Pip Torok agrees with the Chancellor regarding legislation of prices
[12:43] Fern Leissa: I think we should consider specifing that the Exe branch can set land prices
[12:43] Lilith Ivory: yesI agree with Tor also
[12:44] Arria Perreault raises hand
[12:44] Soro Dagostino: Only limited by true economics of SL.
[12:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I think Mik may be right, a general area that a plot should cost, yes?
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: Gwyn still seems to be afk – right?
[12:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: *general value
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: Arria?
[12:45] Pip Torok: in fact we are simply reconfirming existing legilation!
[12:45] Arria Perreault: I think that RA and Exec must find a now a common policy about prices fitting to the reality of SL. This said, I think that we need more than a price policy to address our issues
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I think this is esentially an exec issue.
[12:45] Arria Perreault: we have to convaince people that CDS is a place to be
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: My main concern is the arbitrary nature of it
[12:46] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: Soro after Arria is done
[12:46] Arria Perreault: I am done
[12:47] Soro Dagostino: Question for Mikelo
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[12:47] Soro Dagostino: By “Arbitrary” — do you mean making an economic decision?
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: I mean one person settng prices at will
[12:47] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[12:48] Pip Torok: Mik this is the present legislation…
[12:48] Pip Torok: 1. Land sales in CDS of land owned by the government are conducted by the CDS Executive Branch, using such methods as are reasonably expected to promote the Confederation’s interests, consistent with our laws.
[12:48] Lilith Ivory: Soro?
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: I believe you still have the floor, Soro
[12:48] Lilith Ivory: think so also
[12:48] Soro Dagostino: Does Mikelo wish to have pricing decided by a committee?
[12:49] Fern Leissa: How are prices set now? Is Sudane setting lots at the original sale price?
[12:49] Pip Torok sees Soros point
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: If a citizen sells, it will be arbitrary, but I think if the govt sells, there should be some consistency
[12:49] Soro Dagostino: By a committee?
[12:49] Guillaume Mistwalker: IMHO, I think that contravenes the provision Pip just stated
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: a price per M, for example
[12:49] Pip Torok: how so Guillaume?
[12:49] Soro Dagostino: By a committee Mikelo?
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: I never said a comittee
[12:50] Soro Dagostino: Then how else?
[12:50] Soro Dagostino: By the RA?
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: That provision states that the power is the Executive’s, so how would this committee be made up?
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: I’m talking about consistency
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: IMO, this power could easily be abused (not saying it is currently)
[12:51] Soro Dagostino: Who says “whats consisten?”
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: imo the RA is not the right place to decide about price per sqm
[12:51] Fern Leissa: I think I’m more concerned with transparency than with consistency… because the market does flucuate. But, we do now want to worry that someone is getting special deals. I’m wondering if it would be a good idea to post sales prices of govt sales???
[12:51] Pip Torok: what committee, Guillaume ? apart from the Exec branch liaising with Rudeen?
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: Agreed, Lil
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: The committee that Soro brought up, Pip
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: we could post prices but then you have a privacy issue too
[12:52] Mikelo Serevi: yes Fern
[12:52] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[12:52] Fern Leissa: rl newspapers have posted sales prices… think its ok
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: Soro?
[12:52] Fern Leissa: or… considered public inf
[12:52] Pip Torok: Guillaume … Soro ASKED whether a hypothetical committee would be better
[12:52] Mikelo Serevi: If the prices are listed on the map, where is the privacy?
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand.
[12:52] Soro Dagostino: The same as Fern
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: we postet sales prices in the past and it worked fine
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: (me is still waiting for Gwyn to come back)
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: first, I don’t think we should politicize prices
[12:53] Pip Torok: (come back gwyn! all is forgiven!:)
[12:53] Fern Leissa: hehe’
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: second this is an exec role, it has been according to the law and constitution.
[12:54] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hear hear.
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: Perhaps no pior chancellor was using the law
[12:54] Soro Dagostino: Hmmmm,
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: finally, the treasure is a check within the exec
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: if there were problems I am sure you wall would know
[12:54] Pip Torok: I think Tor has hit the nail on the head …
[12:54] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Pip
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[12:55] Pip Torok: the law was there but this is the first occasion a Chancellor has made use of it
[12:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: He’s been acting well within his right
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: brb
[12:55] Mikelo Serevi: It doesn’t appear to have been illegal, anyway
[12:55] Mikelo Serevi: So that’s the first question
[12:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: And it was within good-nature
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: b
[12:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Welcome back, Tor
[12:56] Pip Torok: theres a second question Mik? … or more?
[12:57] Mikelo Serevi: Though I think the information about such sales should be kept public
[12:57] Fern Leissa: I agree this is within the Execs area of authority, but I’d still like to see the sales I think. I’m not sure why there is harm in doing that
[12:57] Mikelo Serevi: land sales are a matter of public record in RL…
[12:57] Mikelo Serevi: Not a privacy issue
[12:57] Pip Torok agrees with Fern though realising the info might take some time to appear
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[12:57] Fern Leissa: CDS sold to X lot blab,blab for L$4000 on 2/5/11
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I have no problem really with that.
[12:58] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: Soro?
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: i do note however, that not all sales go through the exe.
[12:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, some are through the owners.
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: those sales would be private transactions anyway
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: it would be of great interest to the exec to know what all prices are. helpful info
[12:59] Soro Dagostino: The property description has a place where that might be done for each parcel.
[12:59] Fern Leissa: agree w/ Mikelo
[12:59] Arria Perreault: (Trebor has started a useful list. This list should be regularly updated)
[12:59] Fern Leissa: We just want to show that our govt is dealing above board
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: perhaps, but that info could be useful for the exec in determining the market
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: also it would be nice to know what new citizens we have
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed.
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: but not a problem, I will make prices public.
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: we have a new citizen
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: Oteth Paderborn
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: Otenth
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: would be great if you could tell us about that at the end of any RA meeting in Anouncements
[13:00] Fern Leissa: Do we feel we need to clarify the law by saying specifically “Chancellor can set land prices”?
[13:01] Fern Leissa: That was the issue I think with Rose
[13:01] Pip Torok: on behalf of this meeting I’d like to welcome Oteth Paderborn to CDS
[13:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye, Pip.
[13:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I agree, Fern
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: I think we should vote for that so it´s clear in the future
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: wish we could hear Gwyn first
[13:02] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: Soro
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: so let’s wait for her
[13:02] Soro Dagostino: I think the curren legislation takes care of that.
[13:02] Pip Torok agrees with Soro
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, it does, but to clarify, Soro.
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[13:03] Pip Torok: but if it takes care of that, then we need NOT clarify!
[13:03] Fern Leissa: So we’re thinking we have a non-issue here?
[13:03] Soro Dagostino: Keep it simple.
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I feel the constitution already implies what 9-3 states
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Then why did this come up then, Pip?
[13:03] Pip Torok: yes, i do so believe
[13:03] Mikelo Serevi: I think it is clear already
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: because it was not so clear in the past hehe
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Lil.
[13:03] Fern Leissa: Rose asked about it Guillaume
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: The executive postion for this and future chancellors woudl e that a new law is unnecessary
[13:04] Pip Torok: i wish i knew what was in the raiser’s mind …
[13:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: And we have a citizen who has raised concerns over it, because it *wasn’t clear*
[13:04] Mikelo Serevi wonders that, too
[13:04] Pip Torok: no Guillaume I do not agree (with respect)
[13:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: We just need a statement that clarifies the Executive’s power, imo
[13:05] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Gui
[13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Than the concerned will know that this is legal, according to the interpretation of this RA’s laws.
[13:05] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[13:05] Lilith Ivory: right
[13:05] Pip Torok: imo we have just such a statement and have had since the law was codified
[13:05] Lilith Ivory: Soro
[13:05] Soro Dagostino: If you want to change the law — that is your perogative.
[13:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Then how is that this issue has now arised?
[13:06] Mikelo Serevi: But if they didn’t read the law, would they read the statement?
[13:06] Soro Dagostino: If you want the law interpreted — that is the function of the SC.
[13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, normally you read things when they’re addressed to you, Mik
[13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Agreed, which is my concern too, Soro
[13:06] Pip Torok: because the raiser might just be wishing to sabotage a meeting … though imo this is not the case
[13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: The concerned knows this government well, why is it that this wasn’t addressed to the SC?
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: (that was a rhetorical question)
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: No, I mean if someone didn’t read the law, why would they read a statement?
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi thinks Pip might be right
[13:07] Soro Dagostino: /if they could find the “statement” . . . lol
[13:07] Pip Torok: ive suggested a possibility already to Guillaume, Mik
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, people don’t read all acts passed by congress, but they read their mail, no? ツ
[13:08] Soro Dagostino: And 2 lines in Twitter.
[13:08] Mikelo Serevi: I personally have a problem with this law, it’s too much power in too few hands.
[13:08] Pip Torok: but what is the practical alternative mik?
[13:08] Mikelo Serevi: So our ability to sell privately can be taken away at any time?
[13:09] Mikelo Serevi: interesting
[13:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: I didn’t get that when I read the concern, Mik
[13:09] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[13:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: that interpretation of the concern, I mean
[13:09] Pip Torok: mik .. this is land belonging to rudeen …
[13:09] Mikelo Serevi: No, that wasn’t part of the concern
[13:10] Lilith Ivory: Soro?
[13:11] Pip Torok: Madame LRA, may I suggest we pass onto the next agenda items?
[13:11] Soro Dagostino: Question for Mickelo
[13:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: If I may, I think that the concerned best send this to the SC, rather than us. We’ve spent an hour on this, when we have more important and pressing matters
[13:11] Soro Dagostino: Yield.
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: what do we want to do with that issue?
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: was that a motion, Pip?
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: table it till the next meeting? or vote for it somehow?
[13:12] Pip Torok: I propose we pass this matter to the SC for their consideration
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: second
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye, agree with Pip.
[13:12] Soro Dagostino: Proponent — Mikelo?
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: well ok
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: Soro?
[13:13] Soro Dagostino: Matters before the SC must have a proponent
[13:13] Soro Dagostino: You?
[13:13] Pip Torok: that must be me then Soro
[13:13] Soro Dagostino: Just be aware.
[13:14] Guillaume Mistwalker wonders why that would not just be Rose
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: maybe I can get a motion to wave Tors land policy trough
[13:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: … sorry about that
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: as it seems to be law anyway
[13:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: Welcome back Gwyn
[13:14] Pip Torok: because, G, Rose raises it with the RA, and i propose it to the SC
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: you wanted to say something?
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: wb Gwyn
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: the floor is your
[13:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: Fair enough, Pip
[13:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, I’m not sure if I have anything to say that you haven’t talked already… it seems to me that there has been no violation of any laws and no abuse of power, and that seems to be pretty clear, and should be our answer
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Gwyn
[13:16] Pip Torok cdnt have put it better himself!
[13:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: On the other hand, we might update this page: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=376 just to explain the procedure better
[13:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, that’s what we’ve decided, and Pip’s sending the matter to the SC
[13:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* and seconds Pip
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi agrees with gwyn
[13:17] Guillaume Mistwalker agrees
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: yup
[13:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: Especially since that page says Sonja’s still the Chancellor ツ
[13:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe indeedy
[13:17] Soro Dagostino must say goodbye, RL calls.
[13:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: Goodbye, Soro
[13:18] Pip Torok: bye Soro!
[13:18] Arria Perreault: bye Soro
[13:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bye, Soro
[13:18] Soro Dagostino: Please send the new citizens name to the moderators of the forum — so s/he can be added
[13:18] Fern Leissa: Bye Soro
[13:18] Soro Dagostino: Bye all
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: bye Soro
[13:19] Tor Karlsvalt: bye soro
[13:20] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[13:20] Pip Torok: while were on that subject can the moderators be aware of raffles resident, another new CDS citizen?
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[13:20] Tor Karlsvalt: yes he is pip
[13:20] Pip Torok: thx Tor!
[13:20] Tor Karlsvalt: we have to get used to thos e new names in sl
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: could we come to an end with the land issue somehow?
[13:21] Pip Torok: I propose we move to next business
[13:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: I believe we have, tbh
[13:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: second
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: I´d like to come to an end with that one first
[13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: is it going to the SC, then?
[13:21] Mikelo Serevi: I thought we did, Lilith
[13:21] Mikelo Serevi: you mean vote on Pip’s proposal?
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: we didn´t vote for it
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: but can if you insist
[13:22] Pip Torok: i have proposed the matter to the SC and Soro has appeared to accept that proposal
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: It seems settled
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: anybody in favor to give this to the SC say aye please
[13:22] Pip Torok: aye
[13:22] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: aye
[13:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: nay
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: well ok
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: Pip will bring that issue to the SC than
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: any other citizen concerns?
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: lol
[13:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: Doesn’t seem like it
[13:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope that’s a good sign hehe
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: ok there were Ferns 7day votes
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: the communication commission will not be continued
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: and additions and changes to the Agenda?
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: for me it looks like we might do most of it next weekend
[13:26] Mikelo Serevi: RL is pressing a little
[13:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: Might I suggest we get 3.A, B, C and D done?
[13:26] Lilith Ivory: I´d be happy not to do to much overtime this time
[13:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: And table the rest?
[13:26] Lilith Ivory: I´m fine with that
[13:26] Fern Leissa: Can some of these items wait until the next regularly scheduled mtg?
[13:26] Pip Torok: me too
[13:27] Mikelo Serevi: This is actually quite a lot
[13:27] Fern Leissa: no overtime. Bad habit and the pay is bad
[13:27] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[13:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: Arria can you give us a Report about your commission?
[13:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn tickles Arria
[13:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Uh oh.
[13:28] Mikelo Serevi: afk
[13:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: ok
[13:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: Move to next?
[13:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Should we go to 3B then?
[13:29] Mikelo Serevi: or you did a vulcan nerve pinch
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: Fern could you give us a report about you commission in the meantime?
[13:29] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:29] Fern Leissa: Sure. Or not ??:)
[13:29] Fern Leissa: Arria is back maybe
[13:29] Arria Perreault: I am back
[13:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: Welcome back
[13:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh there you are!
[13:30] Pip Torok is all agog!
[13:30] Arria Perreault: I have called a meeting of the Citizen Commission for next sunday, at noon
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: Arria can you give us your report first?
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: might need less time
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: great
[13:30] Arria Perreault: Citizen Commission
Postby Arria Perreault » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:47 am
The next meeting of the Citizen Commission will be held on Sunday 13th February at noon in the Pratorium of Colonia Nova.
Agenda
– Rules of sponsored location citizenship
– Policy and implementation by the Executive
– Citizen statistics
[13:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sounds great
[13:31] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:31] Arria Perreault: I have an inofficial statistics based on payment boxes today
[13:31] Arria Perreault: we are less than 70 citizen
[13:32] Arria Perreault: I have found 69 citizen names and 3 alts
[13:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 3 alts?????
[13:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: 69 citizens????
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: alts?
[13:32] Arria Perreault: yes, for ex. Mona Schism is the alt of the Monastery
[13:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah lol
[13:33] Guillaume Mistwalker: (and alts too ツ )
[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You scared me for a moment, Arria
[13:33] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:33] Arria Perreault: she owns the land, pay the fees, but she is not citizen
[13:33] Arria Perreault: ㋡
[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, yes
[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: like Rudeen
[13:33] Guillaume Mistwalker nods
[13:33] Arria Perreault: ther is an alt for the MoCA and one for the Guild and Rudeen of course

[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
[13:33] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: “collective citizen”
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: are you done with your report Arria?
[13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: oh ok
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: we run out of time again hehe
[13:34] Arria Perreault: yes
[13:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ㋡
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: thank you
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: Fern your report is next
[13:34] Fern Leissa: Ok. Thanks Lilith
[13:34] Fern Leissa: I’ll be brief as I am not yet done with the community meetings
[13:35] Fern Leissa: I’ve held 2 mets about the general CDS covenants
[13:35] Fern Leissa: And 2 mtgs about the Alpine Meadow sim-wide covenant
[13:35] Fern Leissa: I am getting ready to set up meetings for the Monastery sim
[13:35] Fern Leissa: I do want to talk to Arria though, I’d like to make
[13:36] Fern Leissa: sure I pick a time she could come
[13:36] Fern Leissa: I’ve posted the transcripts and summarys up to the forum
[13:36] Fern Leissa: I’m hopefull I’ll get some more comments
[13:37] Fern Leissa: Once I’mdone holding sim specific meetings, I hope to draft a set of covenants
[13:37] Fern Leissa: General CDS and one for each of the sims… and have 2 more meetings to go over the draft
[13:37] Fern Leissa: before posting to the forum
[13:37] Fern Leissa: I’d love to get more input…. but
[13:38] Fern Leissa: That’s it for now… unless you want me to talk about some of the issues
[13:38] Fern Leissa: that have come up so far
[13:39] Mikelo Serevi has been reading the transcripts, slowly
[13:39] Fern Leissa:
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: maybe you could give us a more detailed Report about the issues next sunday
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: hopefully we will have more time then
[13:39] Fern Leissa: I could do that if that would be helpful… next Sunday?
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: yes as we have to finish this meetings agenda
[13:40] Arria Perreault: I though RA is every 2 weeks
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: if we are able to finish the agenda yes
[13:40] Fern Leissa: Ok. Detailed report of major issues/changes suggested so far
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: Gwyn, the decission wether to continue the Election commission or not is still pending
[13:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn grins
[13:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: Might I suggest writing one up and sending it/publishing it for the next meeting and post it on the forum, Fern? to save time
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: could you give us a short summary wether there are pending issues
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: and if you´d suggest to continue it
[13:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I should say that there is nothing worth discussing at the Election Commission *right now*, but there might be… in a few months
[13:42] Fern Leissa: Yes.. just thinking about that Guillaume. Good idea
[13:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, I’d be fine in shutting it down for now; and reopen, if there is a need, at the appropriate time
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: sounds good for me
[13:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, wait…
[13:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: I have an issue, I think, that the commission could address
[13:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Which one? lol
[13:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: Last election, the run-off, started off a day or two late
[13:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean which commission; not which issue…
[13:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes
[13:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: Could the commission address that issue, allocating powers to other people who can control the election system?
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: wish we could make laws against tecnical problems
[13:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The commission has no power to allocate power to other people, much less who can control elections… haha
[13:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I know what you mean, Gui ㋡
[13:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, yes, but — ah, ok ツ
[13:45] Guillaume Mistwalker shrugs, “Just a though”
[13:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MMh. I’d be certainly fine in addressing that, but as Lilith pointed out, we cannot legislate to make “technical problems” unlawful ㋡
[13:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: *+t
[13:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, yes
[13:45] Pip Torok: But if something we cd recommend popped into gwyn’s head…./
[13:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: But it can make a law that makes a committee that regulates the system
[13:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: According to Delia, the issue wasn’t the system, but that Jamie couldn’t get on to put out the ballot box
[13:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, that was an old discussion… the Permanent Standing Election Commission, a body to ‘regulate’ and ‘oversee’ the whole election procedure….
[13:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But ok, Gui, point taken, that’s worth discussing, yes
[13:46] Lilith Ivory feels the need to create blue caps
[13:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ㋡
[13:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ok ツ
[13:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m just afraid that I won’t have much time until the end of February…
[13:47] Pip Torok wonders whats happening at the end of february
[13:48] Lilith Ivory: end of february will be here pretty soon
[13:48] Fern Leissa whispers: Chocolates are finally finished
[13:48] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:48] Tor Karlsvalt coffee is finished.
[13:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: Make some more then ツ
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: well …
[13:49] Mikelo Serevi: shouldn’t more caffeine be a happy face?
[13:49] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: can we vote for continuing or discontinuing this commission or do we need more disscussion?
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: preferably not about chocolade and coffee
[13:50] Pip Torok suggests we vote
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: can I have a motion please
[13:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: I propose that we continue this commission
[13:50] Pip Torok: I propose the Commission be suspended until a recommendation by gwyn to resume
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: Gwyn would you be willing to stay chair?
[13:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Heh. Sure…
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: any second for Guis motion?
[13:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Unless someone else would like to be chair during this term
[13:51] Mikelo Serevi: we could continue, but have the commission inactiveuntil later…
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: or any second for Pips motion?
[13:52] Pip Torok: Sorry madame LRA … please disregard my proposal until gui’s is decided
[13:52] Mikelo Serevi: 2nd on gui’s
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: ok then
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: all in favor to continue the Election commission say aye please
[13:53] Pip Torok: nay
[13:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[13:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: nay
[13:53] Mikelo Serevi: oh hell
[13:53] Mikelo Serevi: nay
[13:53] Fern Leissa: nay
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: gez
[13:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: ok seems like this commission is discontinued for now
[13:54] Pip Torok: so no need for my proposal then …
[13:54] Pip Torok: ?
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: if it is needed later we can porpose it any time
[13:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn *chuckles*
[13:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: of course!
[13:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: Finance commission?
[13:55] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: do we want to talk about it now or table it till next sunday?
[13:56] Mikelo Serevi has to go
[13:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm…
[13:56] Fern Leissa: Bye Mikelo
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: I´d prefer to come to RA members concerns and announcements
[13:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn would prefer to table everything since I’m anxious to return back to my work on the other computer
[13:56] Pip Torok: bye Mik
[13:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Table it I’d say, then.
[13:56] Arria Perreault: bye mikelo
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: ok
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: bye mikelo
[13:56] Tor Karlsvalt: bye mik
[13:56] Pip Torok: if Tor’s afk .. lets table!
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: let´s come to RA members concerns
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: are there any?
[13:57] Pip Torok: one ….
[13:57] Fern Leissa: none for me
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: one Pip?
[13:57] Pip Torok: remember the shortage of candidates we had at the lst election
[13:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm?
[13:57] Mikelo Serevi: yes
[13:58] Pip Torok: i want to frame a possible solyution to this and wd welcome ANY input from all CDS citizens
[13:58] Pip Torok: (and friends of CDS)
[13:58] Pip Torok: with a view to putting something forwaRD for the next meeting
[13:59] Fern Leissa: So you’d like us to think about this and come up with something… or you have an idea?
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: good
[13:59] Pip Torok: the first, fern
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: do you want me to set it on the Agenda?
[13:59] Fern Leissa: kk
[13:59] Pip Torok: then I’ll add my tuppeny-worth
[13:59] Pip Torok: not yet, if you please ..
[14:00] Guillaume Mistwalker wonders why we just voted down the commission meant to deal with such
[14:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn *yawns*
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: ok just let me know in time so I can bring it on the agenda
[14:00] Pip Torok: will let you know if we have anything substantial
[14:00] Lilith Ivory giggles
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: we can renew this commission any time
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: even now hehe
[14:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: I have no concerns
[14:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry folks… I do really apologise, but unfortunatelymy time is really a it constrained these days (as said, until the end of February), and I really need to go now
[14:01] Mikelo Serevi: cu gwyn
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: see you gwyn
[14:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Bye Gwyn ツ
[14:01] Arria Perreault: bye bye Gwyn ㋡
[14:01] Fern Leissa: bye Gwyn
[14:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So I’ll take your leave…. have fun
[14:01] Pip Torok: cheers Gwyn
[14:01] Mikelo Serevi: and I’m really out this time
[14:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bye bye!
[14:01] Tor Karlsvalt: bye Gwyn
[14:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Bye Mik
[14:01] Mikelo Serevi:
[14:01] Tor Karlsvalt: bye Mik
[14:01] Pip Torok: cheers Mik
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: any Announcements?
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: I hve one
[14:02] Arria Perreault raises hands
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: Tor and Arria next
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Just want to point out that Anna has created a blog for CDS
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: it is mainly to highligh land and why we are a great place to live in SL.
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: and she is looking for contributors
[14:03] Arria Perreault: good idea ㋡
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: http://cdstheblog.blogspot.com/
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: great idea
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: Arria?
[14:04] You decline white anda from A group member named pat Zessinthal.
[14:05] Arria Perreault: Congratulations to Anna. If I can help, I am willing to contribute
[14:05] Arria Perreault: I want to remind two meetings on next sunday
[14:06] Arria Perreault: I hope it’s work with our calendar, as I thought that RA meets every 2 weeks
[14:06] Tor Karlsvalt: great
[14:06] Arria Perreault: The next meeting of the Citizen Commission will be held on Sunday 13th February at noon in the Pratorium of Colonia Nova.
[14:06] Arria Perreault: The next meeting of the Roman Sims Regional Committee will be held on Sunday 13th February at 9 am in the public place of Locus Amoenus.
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: would you all be willing to hold the RA meeting at 9am than?
[14:07] Arria Perreault: On 14th February, the Monastery will open its new exhibition
[14:07] Fern Leissa: Huum. I’d like to attend the Regional mtg in LA
[14:07] Pip Torok: i would be happy to
[14:07] Arria Perreault: about LOVE
[14:07] Arria Perreault: I am working hard to build it now
[14:07] Lilith Ivory: oops sorry Imissread lol
[14:08] Lilith Ivory: I tried to find a time that does NOT colide with the regional commission
[14:08] Fern Leissa:
[14:08] Arria Perreault: I though that RA was every 2 weeks, that’s why I used this day
[14:08] Arria Perreault: RA has the priority
[14:08] Fern Leissa: I’m going to suggest we do meet in 2 weeks
[14:08] Lilith Ivory: if we get our agenda done it is everytwo weeks but we have to finish this one :9
[14:09] Fern Leissa: It feels like we dealt with the most pressing issues
[14:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: I suggest we meet next Saturday at noon…
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Gui
[14:09] Pip Torok: me too
[14:09] Fern Leissa: ok. I think I can make that
[14:09] Arria Perreault: I can make the meeting at 10:30
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: I think we are fine with noon
[14:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: I think the RRC can stay at 9:30
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: so you have time enough for your meeting
[14:10] Pip Torok: i can make any Sunday meeting from 9am to 1pm
[14:10] Arria Perreault: reg committe at 9:00; Citizen commission at 10:30
[14:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Saturdays are best for me, tbh
[14:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, ok
[14:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Sounds good ツ
[14:11] Arria Perreault: (and no dinner for Arria )
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: I´ll provide cookies at the praetorium
[14:11] Fern Leissa: Ok. So when is the RA meeting? day/time?
[14:11] Arria Perreault: great ㋡
[14:11] Tor Karlsvalt: oooo good
[14:11] Tor Karlsvalt: chocolate chip
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: Sunday the 13th at noon
[14:12] Fern Leissa: kk
[14:12] Lilith Ivory: I´ll post the time today at forum and google
[14:12] Pip Torok must remember to brings his rabbits foot as its the 13th!
[14:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, it’s not Friday the 13th
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: not a friday
[14:13] Pip Torok: just as well! ….
[14:13] Arria Perreault: it’s the day before Valentine’s
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: do we have more announcements or can we move to adjourn?
[14:13] Fern Leissa: nooo rabbit’s foot or we’ll send PETA to get you
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: oh wonderful
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: nice
[14:13] Pip Torok: move to adjourn
[14:14] You decline Gem Patron Auction @ Night from A group member named Marcus Benedict.
[14:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: second
[14:14] Lilith Ivory: all in favor vote aye please
[14:14] Pip Torok: aye
[14:14] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:14] Tor Karlsvalt wishes for the second time today that he made that MM for the kissing booth.
[14:14] Lilith Ivory: aye
[14:14] Fern Leissa: What hehe. MM?
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: Gui?
[14:15] Tor Karlsvalt: midnight madness
[14:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye, sorry
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: the meeting is adjourned
[14:15] Fern Leissa:
[14:15] Tor Karlsvalt: woot
[14:15] Arria Perreault: thank you, Lilith ㋡
[14:15] Lilith Ivory claps
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: thank you all

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Transcript RA Meeting February 13
by Lilith Ivory » Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:51 pm
[12:01] Lilith Ivory: Hiya Pip
[12:01] Pip Torok: hi lilith
[12:01] Lilith Ivory: gez I suffer from terrible headache today
[12:01] Lilith Ivory: hope you guys have mercy with me hehe
[12:02] Pip Torok: oh no … will you be alright?
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: I´ll survive
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: hopefully it won´t be a long meeting
[12:02] Pip Torok: i’ll put on my special TLC voice … ;|
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: TLC?
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: Hi Alexia
[12:02] Alexia Carnell: Hya
[12:02] Pip Torok: tender-lovin’-care
[12:02] Pip Torok: hi Alexia
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: hehe I see
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: it´s not the voice it´s the words Pip
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: hi Sorro
[12:03] Pip Torok: speak softly alexia .. Lilith has a headache …
[12:03] Soro Dagostino: Hello all
[12:03] Pip Torok: hi Soro
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: yup and am looking forward to have a calm and peaceful meeting
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: Hi Fern, Hi Cindy
[12:04] Soro Dagostino: Hello Fern
[12:04] Fern Leissa: Hi Pip
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: HI Gwyn
[12:04] Pip Torok: hi Gwyn
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: looks like we have a quorum already
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: should we start with citizens concerns or wait a little longer
[12:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ㋡
[12:05] Cindy Ecksol is happy to be a part of it for a change
[12:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I should warn you, though, I will need to be afk for a while… dinner time sadly takes precedence! But I’ll try to stay around for as long as I can…
[12:06] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn looks at Pip and feels positively underdressed!
[12:07] Pip Torok: some might feel that a very good thing!
[12:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
[12:07] Cindy Ecksol is afk for a minute or three…
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: reading the forum post I am thinking it might be a good idea to bring the land issue on the agenda again
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: what are you guys thinking?
[12:07] Pip Torok: whatever you think best …
[12:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m fine if you’re fine ㋡
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: I´m just the humble servant of the rea´st of you
[12:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww
[12:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn *blows kiss*
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: but I think it was wrong to rush through it
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: my bad
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: shoult we start with citizens concenrs now?
[12:09] Pip Torok: ok
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: Gui said he might be a little late
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: any concerns?
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: agenda should be in the box
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: No concerns??
[12:12] Lilith Ivory smiles at all the happy citizens
[12:13] Fern Leissa:
[12:13] Alexia Carnell smiles back just to show she’s alive
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe — btw, the Guild meeting yesterday was very productive!
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: I was sorry I didn´t realize in time there was one
[12:13] Cindy Ecksol is back
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: was it postet somewhere it would happen?
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: wb Cindy
[12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gui will be happy, the Guild is considering his airport
[12:14] Soro Dagostino: It is.
[12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right… it was just announced on the forums, and the transcript should be up (I haven’t checked)
[12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (besides the rest)
[12:14] Pip Torok: they are up gwyn
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: airport?? yikes hehe
[12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: hope it´s roman or alpine themed
[12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: This is really not a “citizen’s concern”, just sort of a in informal report
[12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *an
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: I´m happy to learn the guild is back to life
[12:15] Mikelo Serevi: I was wondering how to keep an airport in the theme without getting flintsone-y
[12:15] Soro Dagostino: Acient Rome was a little earlier than Michelango [sp] [12:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Very good idea hehe — but, you see Mikelo…
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:15] Cindy Ecksol: hey, the romans would have had an airport if they’d thought of it….
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: brb
[12:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the “Alpine” sims, by covenant, are allowed to have “post-modern buildings”
[12:15] Cindy Ecksol: and of course the Greeks had Icarus….
[12:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: e.g. like the MoCA, the bridge, and so forth
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: yea was about to say that
[12:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Cindy, right!
[12:15] Cindy Ecksol: so they NEEDED an airport
[12:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[12:16] Soro Dagostino: Uphill or downhill landings?
[12:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and sun lotion!
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: or have conquered one
[12:16] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: ok as nobody is concerned ….
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we’re all happy, Lilith! haha
[12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m also sure that Romans didn’t have fancy shop vendors…
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: has anybody additions or changes to the agenda
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: hehehe
[12:17] Cindy Ecksol: of course they did, Gwyn! Roman themed, of course…..
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[12:17] Lilith Ivory loves Gwyns laugh
[12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn *chuckles*
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: yes!
[12:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn has to go away for a bit… I’ll come back asap
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: you raised your hand?
[12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: The guild discussed a request that we close the sides of NFS and AM which are open to Garnata.
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: ok
[12:18] Pip Torok: bon apetit gwyn
[12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: I would like the RA consiser a small amendment to he budget
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: sure
[12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: allowing for one month, 2000 lindedn to be moved from the Chancellors’ events to a building fund.
[12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: The Guild charged Rosie Gray with the job of devising a plan to close he sims.
[12:19] Pip Torok: for what purpose, Tor?
[12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: For that she will need approx 2000 linden.
[12:19] Pip Torok: ah .. thank you
[12:20] Mikelo Serevi: close, as in build a wall?
[12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: yes Mikelo, or probably a screen.
[12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: Seems the best way to do this
[12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: I also add that if successful, we would be able to do the same to Monastery sim.
[12:21] Cindy Ecksol: one nice-sized megaprim ought to do the trick
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: I noticed a bit of a mismatch at the joining there, and they seem to be growing around the side of CDS too
[12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, not only garnata is affected, but also Gonzaga
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: it was rather expensive to relocate next to them in the first place?
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: maybe we could consider moving bacl
[12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: but if we put an island off LA, the same issue would ariise.
[12:22] Pip Torok: well we wd need to look at what costs might be involved
[12:22] Cindy Ecksol: c’mon folks, it’s been funny=looking for a long time, let’s just do it.
[12:22] Cindy Ecksol: it’s not like we don’t have the available funds
[12:22] Fern Leissa: agree with Cindy
[12:22] Pip Torok: how much wd it be?
[12:23] Cindy Ecksol: Pip, Tor is asking for 2000L
[12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry was afk
[12:23] Cindy Ecksol: you just asked him “what for?”
[12:23] Pip Torok: ok ..
[12:23] Cindy Ecksol: it’s for closing off the sims.
[12:23] Pip Torok: im happy woth 2000
[12:23] Cindy Ecksol: move that we authorize Tor to fund the Guild planning to close off the sim
[12:24] Mikelo Serevi: sure, but they might put up another at the edge too
[12:24] Pip Torok: seconded
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: what did you second Pip?
[12:24] Pip Torok: cindys motion
[12:24] Cindy Ecksol: my motion to approve tor’s request for 2000L
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: to vote for Tors request to move 2k from events to building ?
[12:24] Pip Torok: “move that etc2
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: ops sorry, missed that
[12:25] Cindy Ecksol: shall we vote Lil?
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: anybody in favor for Cindys motion say aye please
[12:25] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[12:25] Pip Torok: aye
[12:25] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:26] Lilith Ivory is waiting for Mikelo and Gwyn
[12:26] Fern Leissa: Think Gwyn is afk. Said she was taking a quick break
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: yup
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: Mikelo??
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: sry, I was looking up how much to move a sim
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: nay
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: I think we should just move…
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: I think it is about $150.00 usd
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: per sim
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: we could consider moving the sims seperatley
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: I think you’re right
[12:28] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: at the moment we are only voting for 2k building expenses
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Possilby we could have that waived, esp if we added a sim.
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: Soro?
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: but it mght have to abutt Garnata.
[12:28] Fern Leissa: just for the record… independently of AA’s request.. I’d like to close the sides. Been bugging me for a long time
[12:28] Soro Dagostino: You have stated the question Madame chair, yeild
[12:28] Pip Torok: mikelo .. this is a motion for putting up a screen
[12:29] Cindy Ecksol nodds in agreement with Fern
[12:29] Mikelo Serevi: I know
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: excuse me soro, what do you mean?
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: I´m a little slow todayas I suffer from a headache
[12:30] Soro Dagostino: The matter has been voted upon.
[12:30] Soro Dagostino: Debate is closed.
[12:30] Cindy Ecksol: so did we approve Tor’s request?
[12:30] Pip Torok: we did, cindy
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: yup about moving 2k with in Tors budget
[12:30] Mikelo Serevi: looks like
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: looks like it but Gwyn and Gui still have to vote
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: i think so.
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: i will let Rosie know so she can get to work.
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: yes counting says we voted for it
[12:31] Cindy Ecksol: ok, great…what’s next?
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: think we should table Arrias report till she is here hehe
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: Fern do you have anything about the Covenant commission?
[12:33] Fern Leissa: Huum. Maybe really quickly. I just need a couple of minutes
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: ok
[12:33] Fern Leissa: kk
[12:33] Fern Leissa: The scroll on the table has notecards for the current drafts for the General Covenant and The Alpine Meadow covenant
[12:34] Fern Leissa: if you haven’t seen them on the forum
[12:34] Fern Leissa: We’re still in progress and need more community meetings
[12:34] Fern Leissa: next is for LA.
[12:34] Fern Leissa: But this should give you and idea where we’re going so far
[12:34] Fern Leissa: A couple of big issues…
[12:34] Fern Leissa: Land ownership limitations
[12:35] Fern Leissa: We’ve all talked about the importance of limitations (in the meetings)
[12:35] Fern Leissa: but we remain stuck with the fact that group ownership
[12:35] Fern Leissa: limits are not enforcable
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: this has been a problem for a while
[12:35] Fern Leissa: And one of the major reasons for the covenant rewrites was
[12:35] Fern Leissa: to come up with enforceable covenants.
[12:36] Fern Leissa: Any thoughs on this would be very welcome
[12:36] Lilith Ivory: welcome Ranma
[12:36] Ranma Tardis: hi
[12:36] Fern Leissa: The other two issues are clubs
[12:36] Fern Leissa: and the limitation on merchants that they be within sim theme
[12:37] Fern Leissa: For clubs part of the question is… what exactly is limited here, what qualifies as a club
[12:37] Fern Leissa: And as far as the theme limitation on goods, merchants are the ones most concerned
[12:37] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[12:37] Fern Leissa: They are the ones telling me this is not a good idea
[12:37] Lilith Ivory: Soro after Fern is done
[12:38] Fern Leissa: Those are the main things Lilith
[12:38] Fern Leissa: Just let me say
[12:38] Fern Leissa: next meetings will be Feb 22 @ 4 pm slt andFeb 26 @ 9am slt
[12:38] Fern Leissa: We’ll be talking about the LA covenants
[12:38] Fern Leissa: Done
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: thank you Fern
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: great work so far
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: Soro?
[12:39] Soro Dagostino: I’d like the group membership be as expensive at a ration of the tier.
[12:40] Soro Dagostino: Membership & citizenship should not be free.
[12:40] Soro Dagostino: With some minimum cost . . . set by CDS.
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: under the current law, it is
[12:40] Fern Leissa: huum. Not sure I’m following yu Soro.
[12:40] Pip Torok: nor me Soro
[12:41] Soro Dagostino: If one joins a “club” that is 0L$.
[12:41] Mikelo Serevi: teh citizenship bills covers this, though the commission was going to work on it further
[12:41] Soro Dagostino: Do they get citizenship.
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: aren´t the group invites used to bring vict ….uhm interested people here?
[12:41] Pip Torok: “club”??
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: FYI, under current law, group member citizenship is $100.00 per month and will increase to $250.00 linden per month at the end of NEXT term.
[12:41] Soro Dagostino: kk
[12:42] Soro Dagostino: $100 L$?
[12:42] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[12:42] Lilith Ivory: Ramna after Soro is done
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: yes sorry, it is $L100.oo lindend until the end of NEXT term
[12:42] Soro Dagostino: Or, $100 USD?
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Linden
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: which law specifies the 100L?
[12:43] Lilith Ivory: you´re talking about that sponsoring citizenship right?
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: ym the citizenship law that has yet to be posted to the forum.
[12:43] Soro Dagostino: Whether it is a partnership or a club.
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: 13-something , i think 9.
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: i forgot at the moment.
[12:43] Pip Torok is puzzled by “partnership” and “club” …
[12:44] Soro Dagostino: /raises hand
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: Ranma first, than Soro
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry it is CDSL 13-10
[12:44] Ranma Tardis: oh question answered
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: ok
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: Soro?
[12:45] Soro Dagostino: To answer Pip
[12:45] Soro Dagostino: A “Partnership” is buying a partial interest in a parcel of land.
[12:45] Soro Dagostino: A “club” obtaining citizen rights by joining a club that owns property in CDS.
[12:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: :/
[12:47] Pip Torok: ok but wd like to see the laws that use this phraseology
[12:47] Soro Dagostino: I think the law should.
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: that’s that i was asking, I know about arria’s one
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: it covers these items, but not using those terms
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: I was wrong it is posted to the portal at http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=425
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: isn´t that part of what Arria did last term?
[12:47] Pip Torok: with respect, not the point … its important to state what we mean
[12:48] Pip Torok: thank you Tor
[12:48] Fern Leissa: So Soro, since we are talking about clubs.. what is your understanding of the prohibition of clubs in the current CDS covenants that you’ll find in the about land tab
[12:48] Pip Torok: exactly, Soro
[12:48] Fern Leissa: It that referring to club membership in a CDS group
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: I thought he meant dance clubs
[12:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: me too mikelo
[12:49] Lilith Ivory: thought so also
[12:49] Fern Leissa: or are we talking about prohibiting pole dancing clubs.
[12:49] Fern Leissa: Ok. I think that is part of what people are unclear about
[12:49] Soro Dagostino: Arias was doing what I object to.
[12:49] Soro Dagostino: Bringing in “citizens” to vote who had joined his clubs.
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: you’re talking about group ownership?
[12:50] Pip Torok: Arias, Soro?
[12:50] Soro Dagostino: Not really.
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: I see
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: well,legally, you have to pay for some land to be a citizen
[12:50] Soro Dagostino: And that is as it should be.
[12:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: as it should be ! mikelo
[12:51] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no land/ no vote
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: I’m not sure it was clear before
[12:51] Fern Leissa: Right Mikelo.
[12:51] Fern Leissa: But in terms of the covenant
[12:52] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: (if i may, as a non citizen, there was a time when a person could sell their land and continue to pay sudane 100 L a month to keep citizenship)
[12:52] Soro Dagostino: Or if the “club” that owns land, and can make you a citizen, charges nothing for to its membership.
[12:52] Fern Leissa: We don’t know how MUCH land I gave to group x, so don’t know if I’ve reached my parcel/ m2 limit
[12:52] Mikelo Serevi: I still don’t know where the law says one could do that
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: to bad Arria isn´t there to answer as she chairs that commission
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: she might not have expected a meeting, we did meet last week
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: me raises hand.
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: we talked about having this one while Arria was here
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[12:54] Pip Torok is highly unhappy that “club” appears to be used as a sinonym for “group” and hopes for eventual disambiguation
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: I think mikelo makes a good point.
[12:54] Fern Leissa:
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Pip
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: I don’t knwo where in the law it says that we have to account for how a person is using their limit allotment
[12:54] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I think you are right Tor..
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: but that is what I have been TOlD was gthe practice.
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: now to me this just adds to why the practice is really unenforcalbe
[12:55] Lilith Ivory: I think we should table discussing about citizenship for now as it is off topic
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: The exec would have to keep some sort of ledger as to where a person is putting their allotment
[12:55] Lilith Ivory: would fit better when Arria is here next time to give report of her commission
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: This is something the citizenship commission was going to talk about
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: just see endless arguments
[12:56] Lilith Ivory: right Mikelo
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: Yes, the extra administration is an issue, Tor
[12:56] Fern Leissa: Sorry Tor. So what are you suggesting w/ respect to enforcment of land ownership limits?
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: I do agree
[12:56] Lilith Ivory: I think we should talk about this next time and come to the next point of the agenda now
[12:57] Fern Leissa: kk
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: oh fern, I think the tier is high enough that there is not much of a problem
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: the question is should we continue the finance commission
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: wb Gwyn
[12:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: arria just came on line, FYI
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: yes I saw
[12:59] Pip Torok: are we all aware of the purpose of the Finance commission … itll help us come to a decision imo
[12:59] Lilith Ivory wonders if we ever come so far to vote aye or nay about the finnance commision hehe
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: Tor can you give us a short summary what your commission did?
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: and wether you think it should be continued?
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[13:01] Cindy Ecksol: sorry folks, need to reboot….back shortly…
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: Arria just told me she is not able to come today
[13:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hm.
[13:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aw. Ok.
[13:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And Tor seems afk’ish…
[13:04] Lilith Ivory: sigh
[13:04] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[13:04] Mikelo Serevi: Rl maybe
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: ok no
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: just my usual spacy self.
[13:05] Lilith Ivory: ok no?
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: oh
[13:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry
[13:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: i missed that bit
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, well we met probably about six times
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: we broghet two bill
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: one to shore up collections
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: and anohter to ask the ng for a map to reparcel AH2
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: we also talked a bit about tier.
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: there is sentiment in CDS to lower tier.
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: we did not have any concrete plan however.
[13:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lower tier…. mmh
[13:07] Soro Dagostino: /raises hand
[13:07] Lilith Ivory: so you think we should keep working on that?
[13:07] Lilith Ivory: Soro after Tor is done
[13:07] Soro Dagostino: Yield — that was my question
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: For the record our tier is high, but not too much higher than Calendon or Fruit island and others
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: Now one can argue that we have a large reserve, and we do not have events like many ohter sims.
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: don
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[13:09] Lilith Ivory: thank you Tor
[13:09] Soro Dagostino: /raises hand
[13:09] Lilith Ivory: Soro?
[13:09] Soro Dagostino: Q not answered . . .
[13:09] Soro Dagostino: Tor, do you think the Finance Commission can help resolve the issues?
[13:10] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I think it was a good experience
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry again.
[13:11] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: i think the issues should always be discussed to keep the RA informed.
[13:11] Soro Dagostino: From that, can we conclude the Commission should continue?
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Tor
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: even if nothing needs to change.
[13:11] Pip Torok: Tor, is it your opinion that the finance Commission continue?
[13:12] Lilith Ivory likes to have an informed RA
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: I think it should. It can be a forum to discuss how we run CDS. Naturally it is an RA commission.
[13:12] Pip Torok: thank you
[13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: it could also provide the RA oversight if necessary.
[13:13] Fern Leissa: I would be happier if we had a more specific mission to continue a comission
[13:13] Fern Leissa: Do we want to study actual tier rates in similar sims?
[13:13] Pip Torok agrees with Fern
[13:13] Fern Leissa: I’m wondering if Soro is asking if we don’t want to resolve the issue
[13:14] Fern Leissa: are we or are we not too expensive
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: we could also form a commission about Land issues ….
[13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Well frankly the exec can do that also, and Trebor has been doing that.
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: tier and land prices for example
[13:14] Fern Leissa: That’s true Tore
[13:14] Tor Karlsvalt: I am always nosing around too.
[13:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[13:14] Fern Leissa: but do we want some sort of written report/findings?
[13:14] Fern Leissa: Some recommendation?
[13:14] Mikelo Serevi: It would be helpful to set a regular scale for tier and sale prices
[13:15] Lilith Ivory likes everything that is writen somewhere
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Mikelo
[13:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I really don’t thnk prices should be in the law.
[13:15] Tor Karlsvalt: but tier is like taxes to me
[13:15] Tor Karlsvalt: RA sets the taxes.
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: I´d like to have a commission talking about that issues
[13:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: tier looks like a property tax indeed…
[13:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh
[13:17] Pip Torok: i feel its a shame to yoke _sale price_ and _tier_ together as a “regular scale”
[13:17] Fern Leissa: I make a mission that we have a comission to examine tier and land prices and report their findings back to the RA
[13:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds Fern
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: putting land prices in the law wouldn’t be practical
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: yay!
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: do we need more discussion about that?
[13:18] Pip Torok: agree with you Mik, unlike _tier_ …
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: or can we vote for it already?
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi is ready to vote
[13:19] Pip Torok: can someone state the motion please?
[13:19] Mikelo Serevi: fern did
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: ok all in favour for having a commission to examine tier and land prices and report their findings back to the RA say aye please
[13:20] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:20] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:20] Pip Torok: aye
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: Gwyn seems to be afk again
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: seems like we will have that commission
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: even if Gui Gwyn and Cindy still have a vote
[13:21] Mikelo Serevi: we forgot to ask who would be heading it
[13:21] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: anybody willing to chair it?
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: I assumed Tor is too busy
[13:22] Soro Dagostino: I suggest Sudane
[13:22] Fern Leissa: woops. Didn’t think about that. Mikelo?
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: if we don´t find somebody now we can post on the forum
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: I would, but I just can’t right now
[13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: I don’t think the Chancellor should chair an RA commission.
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: I´m sure we will find a victim
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: there seems to be a lot of interest in that subject
[13:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oops … a belated ‘aye’ although I don’t volunteer to chair that hehe
[13:23] Fern Leissa: Citizens can chair an RA comission. Is that right Lilith?
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: heheh
[13:23] Pip Torok: yes, fern
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: Gwyn answered my question before I could ask hehe
[13:23] Fern Leissa: tx
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: I found that somewhere in the old RA laws
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: it´s allowed
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: I went to the attic to look for RA procedures hehe
[13:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
[13:24] Fern Leissa: Sudane might be a good person, just because of all her experience… if she has time
[13:25] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I would certainly second Sudane…
[13:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh even Sonja or Arria…
[13:25] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: I´m sure we will find someone
[13:26] Lilith Ivory: can we move to the next point?
[13:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sure…
[13:26] Pip Torok: certainly
[13:27] Mikelo Serevi: moving right along today
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: 14 days ago there were some questions about our content archivist
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: that´s why it is on the agenda
[13:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aha yes
[13:28] Mikelo Serevi: this is the law text one not the building structure one?
[13:28] Pip Torok: can you remind us as to what the questions were?
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: we wanted to have some info about this office
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: Tor can you enlighten us?
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: it´s a possition held by an Alt right?
[13:30] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry agian
[13:30] Tor Karlsvalt: well the content archivis is actually an SC appointment
[13:30] Tor Karlsvalt: and works with the chancellor.
[13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: to my knowledge the CA has not created the required alt. but I have yet to really determine that myself.
[13:31] Mikelo Serevi: I thought the alt has been around for ages
[13:31] Mikelo Serevi: since the time of some unfortunate deletions
[13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: not sure Mik, don’t thnk so
[13:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: See http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=212 (N. Content Archivist)
[13:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *B
[13:32] Tor Karlsvalt: that was the reason for the law establishing the CA.
[13:32] Pip Torok: We seem to have a problem … some of us think of the CA as holding records of laws, and others as holding the CDS structures
[13:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hehe yes.
[13:32] Pip Torok: can we have clarity on this?
[13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: The CA only olds builds
[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: “The CA is responsible for conserving and managing backup copies of public CDS content.”
[13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: holds
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: That’s why I asked, there is Cindy, who does the laws, and the alt who holds builds
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: we tend to mix the role of RA archivist with the role of content archivist sometimes as it seems
[13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: yes and backup copies.
[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Really?? ^^
[13:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We shouldn’t confuse both! They have little to do with each other!
[13:34] Pip Torok: exactly, gwyneth!
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: exactly Gwyn
[13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: yet I don’t think any of us know the alt who is the CA.
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: lol that´s why I wantet to talk about it for a little while
[13:34] Fern Leissa: So we have no CA?
[13:34] Fern Leissa: currently?
[13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: yes we do have a CA
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: we wondered if that Alt couldn´t hold items used for events also
[13:35] Fern Leissa: Who is….?
[13:35] Pip Torok: in that case, could we not have an “official!” CDS alt to hold them?
[13:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In theory that would be possible, Lilith… content is content, temporary or permanent….
[13:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And the last CA I remember was ALiasi, right?
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[13:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: is was looking for the correct spelling
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Aliasi Stonebende
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: r
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: and she get´s paid for doing what?
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: no the CA is not supposed to be a member of any land management group
[13:36] Fern Leissa: Is Aliasi still serving as CA?
[13:37] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[13:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If she wasn’t removed by the RA…. yes
[13:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It’s a “role for life until removed”
[13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: Right, now I think it was the chancellor who wold have had to ensure that the alt and the agreement were carried out.
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: interesting
[13:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (don’t you love the civil service? )
[13:38] Pip Torok: this seems to reinforce the argument of having a n alt/bot instead of a person to hold important content
[13:38] Fern Leissa: So we are confident that someone is taking responsible action on a regular basis with respect to our “content”… i hope.
[13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[13:38] Tor Karlsvalt: well we have not built much lately.
[13:38] Fern Leissa: kk What I want to hear
[13:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah Fern… of course it’s the role of the Chancellor to check if the CA is acting responsibly
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: I will get in contact with Aliasi and see what is going on.
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: I know i sign he check every month.
[13:39] Fern Leissa: Ok. Figuring it out. Thanks Gwyn
[13:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or, if we don’t think that the Chancellor is doing a good job as ‘overseer’, we can also ask the Dean of the SC to check
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: still it might be helpful for all PIOs to have some Alt who is able to hold non transferable items needed for events
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:40] Fern Leissa: I’m sure he is
[13:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (mind you, Tor, I think you are just listing our options here )
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I understand
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: well, he did bring the matter up, so he is paying attention…
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi:
[13:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh heh
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: Frankly I think this one ahs flallen though the cracks for a long time
[13:40] Pip Torok: an alt is never missing or absent, i notice!
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: and prolly nothing is wrong.
[13:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, like in 2006, Tor
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: we just haven’t dotted the i and crossed the t
[13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: but his is more of an issue as we work on the new schloss
[13:42] Tor Karlsvalt: and we need to iron it out before we actually have new content to archive.
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: think so too
[13:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I totaly agree
[13:42] Pip Torok: agree
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: so what to do about it now?
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt: um I can just report on it at the next meeting
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: yea sounds like an idea
[13:43] Pip Torok: I propose the Chancellor approach sudane on this issue
[13:44] Tor Karlsvalt thinks the cds action items keep piling up.
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: sudane?
[13:44] Pip Torok: and come back with a recommendation
[13:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn thinks Tor is right
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: wb Cindy
[13:44] Tor Karlsvalt: um sudane really isn’t involved with the CA.
[13:44] Tor Karlsvalt: wb cindy
[13:44] Pip Torok: no but if we choose an alt, sudane cd hold the passwords
[13:45] Cindy Ecksol waves and apologizes
[13:45] Mikelo Serevi: I’d swear there is an alt, and I knew the name once
[13:45] Pip Torok: in which case we ressurect it, Mik!
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: I think it´s a good idea to let tor report us next meeting :9
[13:45] Cindy Ecksol: there is an alt that holds the reserves — is that th eone you mean?
[13:46] Tor Karlsvalt: no the CA alt
[13:46] Pip Torok: no … one to hold the structures
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: we shoulodn´t mix this Alt with the Content imo
[13:46] Mikelo Serevi agrees with lilith
[13:46] Tor Karlsvalt: oh no! it should be a separate alt.
[13:46] Mikelo Serevi: also, using an alt would avoid permissions problems
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: absolutely
[13:47] Pip Torok: exactly, Mik
[13:47] Tor Karlsvalt: yes and one more point
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: well, let Tor tell us more about it next time and move to RA member concerns now
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: all ok with that?
[13:47] Pip Torok: ok by me
[13:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok
[13:48] Tor Karlsvalt: Moon and the NG made a point to state that builds should be paid for and transferred to the CA.
[13:48] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:48] Tor Karlsvalt: Presumable we don’t mean that Aliasi should get everythign but the CA alt.
[13:48] Pip Torok: no, Tor!
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: let´s talk more about it next time
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: I´m not in the mood for doing overtime today hehe
[13:49] Pip Torok: yes, Lilith!
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: do we want to have a meeting next sunday or in 14 days?
[13:50] Pip Torok: i plump for 14 daYS TIME
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: I don´t mind to have a sunday off also
[13:50] Fern Leissa: 14 days for me too… better
[13:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I abstain; I’m fine either way
[13:51] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:51] Mikelo Serevi: 14 is good
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: didn´t you want to hold townhall meetings
[13:51] Cindy Ecksol: I abstain — I will be in Europe (somewhere) both weeks
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: so let´s have our next meeting in 14 days
[13:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay Cindy
[13:51] Fern Leissa:
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: gives Tor more time to do research
[13:51] Pip Torok: yup!
[13:51] Cindy Ecksol: sorry, not portugal this time (again)
[13:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that’s also fairer for Tor
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: and me to find a victim for the commission
[13:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (right, Cindy hehe )
[13:52] Cindy Ecksol: I really do aim to get there someday….
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: gee thanks
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: ok any RA member concerns?
[13:52] Cindy Ecksol: one favor to ask…
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: yes Cindy?
[13:52] Cindy Ecksol: as the RA archivist, I need a little help
[13:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and I have one thing after Cindy too…
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: how can we help you Cindy?
[13:53] Cindy Ecksol: it is very difficult for me to review transcripts and accurately pull out all of the items passed
[13:53] Cindy Ecksol: could we possible create a summary for each meeting so that i at least know what to look for?
[13:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh good idea hehe
[13:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Assuming Lilith agrees
[13:54] Cindy Ecksol: also if there is text for a particular bill, I need someone to send me a copy of the final text
[13:54] Pip Torok supports Cindy in this request
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: I do of course
[13:54] Cindy Ecksol: pulling THAT out is REALLY a pain!
[13:54] Cindy Ecksol: did it for last term, but have hardly started on this term….
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: might take me a while to do that myself
[13:54] Cindy Ecksol: heh heh! and you were here for those meetings!!
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: as I have a hard time even to post an agenda in time at the moment
[13:55] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: Good evening… pardon my drastic tardiness…
[13:55] Cindy Ecksol: I’ll keep working on it and hopefully hav ethis term to date updated this week. but could use that summary as a check….
[13:55] Cindy Ecksol: and from this meeting forward if we could do it as we go, it would be VERY helpful
[13:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (hi Gui!)
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: ok I promisse to do my best
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: hi Gui
[13:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: (Hi Gwyn & Lil! ㋡ )
[13:56] Pip Torok: hi Gui
[13:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Pip ㋡
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: You had something also Gwyn?
[13:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well yes. This is about one of the proposals for the budget — advertising
[13:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’d like to know if anything has been done on that regard
[13:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn wants to see the CDS *everywhere* hehe
[13:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or is it oo early to ask for any results?
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: the communication commission unfortunately didn´t got renewed
[13:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *too
[13:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: (even in space?)
[13:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we have started that blog about two weeks ago
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: but I´d be happy to talk about this again
[13:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: This is a job for the Executive; we don’t need a commission for that; we *did*, after all, approve it on the budget
[13:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: A blog?
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: also, we will be taking an ad out in Alexias mag for floralia
[13:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Anna’s blog, I believe
[13:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok!
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Also, I want to open a land office, probably in CN.
[13:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok!
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: We can use it to put the office in search
[13:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: And pet told me last night that a photographer’s coming Wednesday for her magazine
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: currently if you search for Roman cds or democracy you don’t get much for cDS.
[14:00] Mikelo Serevi: I’d noticed that…
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: an old problem
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: And we still have an interveiw with Icon mag pending
[14:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: It could be a sort of tourist centre/real estate agency, too, Tor
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: supposed to meet with photographers this week
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: yes guil
[14:00] Mikelo Serevi: That’s a great idea, help them find us if they are looking
[14:00] Fern Leissa: Yes. agree Guillaume
[14:01] Tor Karlsvalt: so true we have not spent much money. But we are trying to get the word out.
[14:01] Guillaume Mistwalker nods, “A very good idea, I’m glad you thought of it, Tor”
[14:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I like that; a “real estate agency”in CN could certainly post a Classificed on search on behalf of the whole o the CDS
[14:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And of course, articles in magazines/blogs will help :_) More than ads!
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: right
[14:01] Tor Karlsvalt: right, really I was thinking of comandeering one of the vacant shops on the forum
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: so we weill be working on that this week
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: when we finally sell the last parcel I can sell the land office.
[14:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good idea…
[14:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: YAY
[14:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: And then we can move it down stairs ㋡
[14:03] Fern Leissa: hehe
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: but we need to be able to lower prices and make deals as necesary
[14:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Below the SC rooms
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: we have heavy competition in sl
[14:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: (The space isn’t used much, anyway
[14:04] Tor Karlsvalt: I can get a whole region for 125 usd
[14:04] Pip Torok: !
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: but not with so many lovely people as your neighbors
[14:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: what!
[14:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: And no history, too
[14:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should get two of those regions
[14:04] Tor Karlsvalt: Frui island and Anshe Chung have sweetheat deals with LL
[14:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: For expansion
[14:04] Tor Karlsvalt: hhaa
[14:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh it’s called the “Atlas Program” I believe
[14:05] Tor Karlsvalt: yup
[14:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, “Colonies”/”Dominions”
[14:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If you have a LOT of sims, you start getting wholesale discounts from LL
[14:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I think you need to have over 50
[14:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, we can spend…
[14:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: grins
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: I see
[14:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well… honestly… at US$125 per whole region… thats really a bargain
[14:06] Pip Torok: … like its going out of fashion!
[14:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And are we talking full sims or homesteads/open spaces?
[14:06] Tor Karlsvalt: homestead
[14:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ahhhh I knew it couldn’t be THAT good hehe
[14:06] Pip Torok: i thought we were talking pie-in-the-sky!
[14:06] Tor Karlsvalt: but you know a place like Fruit usually has a premium tier
[14:06] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn blushes
[14:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha.
[14:07] Tor Karlsvalt: for them to just be getting what is really cost for tier, means they must be paying less to LL
[14:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh well. Economics is about psychology and mass manipulation via the media
[14:07] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I prefer to tell people, “sorry. We’re full, That’s why we’re expensive, we don’t want ANYONE to be part of our 7-year-community”
[14:08] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, we just need to get people in here
[14:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: make us sound like snobs and justify the high tier hehe
[14:08] Tor Karlsvalt: once hear I think people will like it.
[14:08] Mikelo Serevi: lol gwyn, we could set up a rope outside with a big guy guarding it
[14:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I’m even thinking of “Join our ELITE community! We’re not your average, run-of-the-mill, cheapskate community which is here one day and gone the next”
[14:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thinking niche markets Luxury items always survive crisis!
[14:09] Tor Karlsvalt: true
[14:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: “CDS: Because time and experience does not come cheap”
[14:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: See!
[14:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That’s the spirit
[14:09] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:09] Tor Karlsvalt: a new banner
[14:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just think…. there are really *very few* communities from 2004 or before that…
[14:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[14:10] Tor Karlsvalt: I wish we could really get a count
[14:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should tell the world why we’re still around and why we still survive in spite of everything
[14:10] Mikelo Serevi: and this is a pretty cool one
[14:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: We’re a grand place ㋡
[14:10] Pip Torok: how about “the Egyptians love it … it’s called Democracy …”
[14:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
[14:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pip!!!!
[14:10] Mikelo Serevi: lol, yes
[14:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ooooh
[14:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha!
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[14:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we should vote on a new theme!!!
[14:10] Fern Leissa:
[14:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pip, you’re a *genius*!
[14:11] Mikelo Serevi: rofl, that’s great
[14:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Let’s get the Guild rolling
[14:11] Pip Torok: now now, I have to get my head through this RL door! …
[14:11] Tor Karlsvalt thinking of Tor with a shaved head.
[14:11] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:11] Cindy Ecksol ROFL laughing at Pip’s PR
[14:12] Mikelo Serevi: an Egyption airport, hmm
[14:12] Fern Leissa: lol
[14:12] Lilith Ivory: do we have any other announcements?
[14:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha.
[14:12] Mikelo Serevi: ian
[14:12] Lilith Ivory: or can we adjourn?
[14:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Speaking of airports…
[14:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I want to see you as Tutankhamon and with the motto below “Egyptians love it… it’s called Democracy. Join the CDS now — as old and solid as the pyramids!”
[14:12] Mikelo Serevi: LOL
[14:12] Fern Leissa:
[14:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, I love it
[14:12] Lilith Ivory: hehe yea
[14:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: I have nothing
[14:12] Mikelo Serevi: Uncle Tor Wants You
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: and we could build a pyramid.
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:13] Fern Leissa: hehe
[14:13] Pip Torok: sounds Good gwyneth .. I’m glad you thought it up!!
[14:13] Lilith Ivory: Tor ank amun
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: with my shaved head.
[14:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha.
[14:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: I have some stuff, Tor
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: I used to RP Egyptian ㋡
[14:14] Tor Karlsvalt: hey Guillaume had the costume
[14:14] Fern Leissa: You’d better have us adjourn Lilith. Sounds like we’re movin into brain melt
[14:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: Em hotep, I am Khenemetwesir.
[14:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha.
[14:14] Mikelo Serevi: lol Fern
[14:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ㋡
[14:14] Lilith Ivory: heheh
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: yea I was thinking that
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: all in favor to adjourn say aye please
[14:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye, aye….
[14:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[14:15] Pip Torok: aye
[14:15] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:15] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[14:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Woot!
[14:15] Lilith Ivory: aye
[14:15] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks guys this was great!
[14:16] Lilith Ivory: yea hehe
[14:16] Pip Torok: could really get used to smooth meetings!
[14:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
[14:16] Lilith Ivory: thanks all

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Transcript RA Meeting February 27
by Lilith Ivory » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:07 pm
[11:57] Mikelo Serevi: hi pip and lilith
[11:57] Lilith Ivory: Hi Mikelo, Hi Pip
[11:57] Pip Torok: hi ……
[11:58] Pip Torok: the early birds catch the worm!
[11:58] Lilith Ivory smiles
[11:58] Mikelo Serevi: so they say
[11:59] Mikelo Serevi: I’m only early because I tend to be late
[12:00] Pip Torok: now youre confusing me!
[12:00] Mikelo Serevi: if I try to be on time, I’m late, so I give extra time and am early
[12:00] Pip Torok: (makes sense!)
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: also, my poor laptop needs time to rezz things
[12:01] Pip Torok: is SL still on a linux box ?
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: no, windows currently
[12:02] Pip Torok: ah … win-doze …..
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: shudder
[12:03] Pip Torok: actually i have Vista .. but on a powerful machine
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: Vista does not seem to like SL much
[12:03] Pip Torok: and vice versa it seems!
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: vista just needs lots of power, as does SL
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: yes
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: maybe it’s jealous of SL
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:04] Pip Torok: tell me about it
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: Hiya Fern
[12:04] Fern Leissa: Hi Lilith, Mikelo
[12:04] Mikelo Serevi: hi fern
[12:04] Fern Leissa: Hi Pip
[12:04] Pip Torok: say goodbye to m/tasking with Vista!
[12:04] Pip Torok: hi Fern!
[12:04] Pip Torok: you were on the shelf, fern!
[12:05] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:05] Fern Leissa: I know.
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: Hi Kellie
[12:05] Fern Leissa: I may never master the art of sitting down lol
[12:05] Fern Leissa: Hi Kellie
[12:05] Kellie Wellesley: Hi Lillith
[12:05] Pip Torok: hello kellie … howre things?
[12:05] Kellie Wellesley: Hi Fern
[12:05] Kellie Wellesley: Good but I seem to have trouble with Landmarks lately
[12:05] Mikelo Serevi: and standing doesn’t tire one in here, so I only sit in these meetings
[12:05] Pip Torok: is Anne coming?
[12:06] Mikelo Serevi: hi kellie
[12:06] Kellie Wellesley: Hi Mikelo
[12:06] Kellie Wellesley: How are things in the UK Pip?
[12:06] Pip Torok: comme ci comme ca!
[12:06] Pip Torok: eactually not bad … usual british weather though…
[12:07] Kellie Wellesley: ITs a bit odd here as well
[12:07] Fern Leissa: Haven’t seen much of yu recently Pip
[12:07] Pip Torok: ah … have been busy RL-wise …
[12:07] Fern Leissa: though so
[12:07] Mikelo Serevi: me too
[12:08] Mikelo Serevi: actually, most people I know seem to have had a hectic month
[12:08] Fern Leissa: Bothersome rl lol
[12:08] Mikelo Serevi: hey Gui
[12:08] Pip Torok: hi Gui
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: Hi Gui
[12:08] Fern Leissa: Hi Guilluaume
[12:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: Good evening! ㋡
[12:08] Mikelo Serevi: looking natty
[12:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you
[12:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: ㋡
[12:09] Fern Leissa: quite so Guillaume. Mikelo is right
[12:09] Pip Torok: red waistcoats seem to be the DPU thing these days
[12:09] Fern Leissa: lol
[12:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you!
[12:09] Mikelo Serevi: bring back waistcoats, I say, and men’s hats
[12:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hear, hear!
[12:10] Pip Torok: wheres Queen Victoria when we need her!
[12:10] Fern Leissa: huuum. Only if they can be worn with jeans i say
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:10] Pip Torok: nothing to stop you … only 1,000,000 avies laughing
[12:10] Mikelo Serevi: oh, absolutely
[12:10] Kellie Wellesley: In America its usually the men with hats that are driving slow in the fast lane
[12:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, Pip…
[12:10] Fern Leissa whispers: So Pip … no red waistcoat… think this red belt is enough to keep me in the DPU
[12:11] Pip Torok: call it a virtual waistcoat!
[12:11] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: well, we are late already …
[12:12] Fern Leissa: Where are the rest of our bodies ….
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: should we start with citizens concerns?
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: Cindy is in Europe
[12:12] Fern Leissa: kk
[12:13] Fern Leissa: So are you and Pip
[12:13] Pip Torok: kk
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: don´t know where the others are
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: lol but not traveling
[12:13] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: any citizens concerns?
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: agenda is in the box btw and this meeting is transcripted
[12:14] Pip Torok: btw are we a quorum yet, mme Chair?
[12:14] Fern Leissa: Hi Tor
[12:14] Pip Torok: hi Tor?
[12:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello, Tor!
[12:15] Mikelo Serevi: hi Tor
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: Hi Tor!
[12:15] Pip Torok: hi Tor (without question mark!)
[12:15] Fern Leissa:
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: should be as we are 5 of 7
[12:15] Pip Torok: ok
[12:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: We need atleast 4 for a quorum
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: yup exactly
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: any citizens/RA members concerns?
[12:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: None here!
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: ok next item then
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: is anybody ok with the agenda or are there changes?
[12:18] Fern Leissa: none for me
[12:19] Pip Torok: nor for me
[12:19] Guillaume Mistwalker: None here.
[12:19] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:19] Mikelo Serevi: nor here
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: I´ve been told there would be a proposal from the NG today
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: who`s gonna do it? – Tor?
[12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: i suppose.
[12:21] Pip Torok: well, it wd have been for the NG secretary to put in the proposal, i suppose
[12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: well, the NG has been dicussing closing up the sides of the sims.
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: think any member of the guilt can do it
[12:22] Tor Karlsvalt: They seem to have decided upon buying a system from a vendor.
[12:22] Pip Torok: did we agree a cost to doing this, tor?
[12:22] Pip Torok: do we know which system it is to be, tor?
[12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: basically they want to test the system, but each item needed will cost about 3000 linden.
[12:23] Guillaume Mistwalker: I believe Rosie was discussing that last.
[12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: she was Guillaume
[12:23] Mikelo Serevi: how many items are we talking?
[12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: and as you were at the meeting I hope you can corrent anything I say.
[12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: not sure mikelo
[12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: more than one for sure
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: Rosie had contracted the vendor and he will not do a custom build.
[12:24] Mikelo Serevi: is this a wall-creation system?
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: ok seem the NG didn’t give me specific money amounts.
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: that is a problem
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: for a proposal, sure
[12:25] Pip Torok: since we don’t know the money involved, I propose we table the item
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: NL 7-10 allows the chancellor to approve purchace of builds without RA approval not exceeding $L15,000.00
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: however
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: RA must authorize a budget for this
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: per the law NL 7-10
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: might be a good idea to table it till you did the testing and decide how much money you will need
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: right?
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: A. License Agreements and License Budget
1. The RA ratifies the version of the IP license agreement as published by the New Guild in the CDS forum.
2. This and other RA-ratified template agreements will be kept on an official CDS website (such as a Wiki).
3. The Chancellor may sign RA-ratified versions of IP license agreements on behalf of the CDS under the conditions outlined in 4, 5 and 6.
4. The Chancellor may negotiate the terms of contracts but needs RA approval for any single structure more expensive than L$ 15,000, as well as for different contractual terms.
5. The total amount that the Chancellor can spend on content license acquisition shall be determined at the start of each term by the RA. The RA can also set extraordinary budgets for specific content.
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: I second Pip’s propsal to table
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: o
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: Welll possibly. I had hoped to get a deffinate amount before the meeting, but….
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: ok all in favor to table say aye please
[12:27] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:27] Pip Torok: to discuss this now wd be to work blind
[12:27] Pip Torok: aye
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye.
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: can´t you spend some money for it now ?
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: and we aprove the whole thing later?
[12:28] Fern Leissa: I’d be happier with a clear proposal w/ budget
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: btw you might be able to read the NG proposal here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fnk … dit?hl=en#
[12:29] Pip Torok: is that practical lilith seeing that we dont even know the initial amounts?
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: this is ok with me. cerainly
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: certainly
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: mind you we had approved 2000.00 for this project already.
[12:30] Pip Torok: ok then i go back on what i said …
[12:30] Mikelo Serevi: this was the build Rosie was doing before?
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: I must express my support for the project, but I think that the executive can make do with 15,000L to test the pogram. ㋡
[12:30] Fern Leissa: But money aside… it would be nice to have some formal proposal for exactly what is being proposed..
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, Mikelo
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: she found a vendor with a product hat seems to do the job.
[12:31] Pip Torok agrees with Fern
[12:31] Mikelo Serevi: I agree, I’d rather know exactly what’s being done before I nod my head
[12:31] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: I think we are still at a testing stage.
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: maybe you can pass me a LM later where I can have a look at those items
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: I start to get curious
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, i understand. alas I missed the NG meeting where they were demonstrated.
[12:33] Fern Leissa: A testing stage could certainly be included in the proposal.
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: The problem we are solving here is that AA is not matching at our shared borders?
[12:33] Fern Leissa: Who was supposed to report/propose to the RA today?
[12:33] Pip Torok: and seemingly not willing to cooperate either
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: I still think we could just move the sims again, but that’s perhaps a topic for another day
[12:34] Lilith Ivory: this seem to be another issue
[12:34] Lilith Ivory: out of topic for now
[12:34] Pip Torok: true …
[12:35] Lilith Ivory: all ok if we move to the next agenda item?
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi nods
[12:35] Pip Torok: ok!
[12:35] Fern Leissa: ok
[12:36] Lilith Ivory: we need to aprove the list of locations that can be sponsored by citizens
[12:36] Lilith Ivory: do you have a link to it handy Tor?
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: sure
[12:36] Lilith Ivory: hope I said it correctly btw
[12:36] Fern Leissa: perfect
[12:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, I will have to go in about 20 minutes, Madam LRA
[12:37] Lilith Ivory: oh I see
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: you have 7 days vote of course if we decide something in your absense
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key … 2YgO#gid=0
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you, Mme LRA ㋡
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: i altered it a bit to limit the land in the monaster available for sponsorship to the lake.
[12:39] Guillaume Mistwalker: It seems a sound proposal to me.
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: not the monastery itself?
[12:40] Fern Leissa: This is the sponsorship proposal submitted by Arria last term and approved by the RA correct?
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: The monastery isn’t really public land.
[12:40] Fern Leissa: We are just authorizing the locations for sponsorship?
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: isn´t the monastery owned by Arria or her group?
[12:40] Mikelo Serevi: I see
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: well not quite fern
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: This list stems from that proposal
[12:41] Pip Torok: when you say 2seattle Road” and “Old Monastery Road” … exactly what location are we sponsoring?
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: I am merely complying with that law and submitting a list of sponsor locations.
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: do we need to discuss or can we aprove it as it is?
[12:41] Fern Leissa: And we need to agree or disagree with the locations?
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: old monastery Road is in AM leading to my cabin.
[12:41] Mikelo Serevi: I’m curious about how many we can sponsor this way
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Seattel Road is the road headig out to the monastery.
[12:42] Pip Torok: are the location the _buildings- bordering Seattle Road?
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: also in am
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: no just the road.
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: well we could sponsor many mikelo.
[12:42] Pip Torok: so its the road _surface_ / or the bridge?
[12:43] Pip Torok: (or both?)
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: I think the intention was not to sponsor too many.
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: I think it woud be essentially the LV and the Road and bridge are on.
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: LV land
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: for me it doesn´t really matter what it is hehe
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: I doubt we will sponsor very many in this manner.
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: This looks like a good list to me
[12:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[12:44] Pip Torok: and to me …
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: for me also
[12:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: Shall we vote?
[12:45] Pip Torok: yes!
[12:45] Fern Leissa: sure
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: right now I would not be allowing more than one per location.
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: for the whole road, for example?
[12:45] Lilith Ivory: ok all in favour for approving this list say aye please
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: ok, nm
[12:45] Pip Torok: aye
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[12:45] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye.
[12:45] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:45] Lilith Ivory: yay
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: now dear kids we have a real interesting subject
[12:46] Pip Torok: , curious . ….
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: what di you find out about the content archivist Tor
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: oh
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: well NL 7-10 establishes the content archivist or CA
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: since that law, the SC appointed Aliasi Stonebender as CA
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: Per the law she was to create an Alt to serve as the CA.
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: The CA Alt was never created.
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: !
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: Shame.
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: Reason given that there just wasn’t any content.
[12:48] Pip Torok: ??!
[12:48] Fern Leissa: So where is content housed… if I can put it that way?
[12:48] Lilith Ivory: but we do have CDS buildings!
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: Also, the law required the Chancellor to secure an agreement from the CA.
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: what liltih said, yeah
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: The agreement templet it in the law, NL 7-10
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: Lilith, I mean
[12:49] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: the agreement is a problem now
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: first as far as I can tell is was never securred
[12:50] Pip Torok: first of all, we need a CA’s alt whether or not we have cpntent to archive …
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: second it includes the stipend amount of $L1000.00
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: what does it mean ” was never securred”?
[12:50] Fern Leissa: Is the stipend being paid even though the agreement was not secured?
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: since then, the past RA and chancellor has increased the stipend for the CA to 2500.00 in budgest but never amended the agreement
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: yes Fern
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: !
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: So I am more than happy to eforce the law and Aliasi is perfectly ok
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: but the agreement includes the stipend.
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: stipend abouts btw should not be in the law
[12:52] Close Range: Red Bikcin [21m] [12:52] Fern Leissa: Enforce the law how?
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: it sould be an exec decision and approved in the budget
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: but should be written down somewhere so everybody can look it up
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: Fern, require Aliasi to create thealt and “sign” thestatement
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: stipends are in the budget
[12:53] Pip Torok: in that case, i hope the RA will support Exec action to ensure that there WILL be a CA-alt
[12:53] Fern Leissa: Ok. Sounds good Tor.
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: but putting them in the law like this muddles everything.
[12:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye, Pip.
[12:53] Fern Leissa: What about the “no content” issue. Does that mean we don’t know where it is… who has it?
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: i don’t know fern.
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: the CA position is funny
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: it always was imo
[12:54] Pip Torok: imo thats a red-herring … first there IS content … secondly even if there was no content we still need a CA-alt
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: it is a throw back to great fear of a single person being able to delete content
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: So we’ll amend it to say “stipend as stipulated in the Chancellor’s budget”
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: yes, the law itself mentions the bridge, and I can think of at least two other structures in NFS
[12:54] Tor Karlsvalt: yes mik that would be fine
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: the CA is appointed by the SC
[12:55] Lilith Ivory: think most of old town CN are CDS builds
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: but the RA seems to control it.
[12:55] Pip Torok: in that case what is the dean of the SC doing about this issue?
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: as the RA is charged with requiring an audit
[12:55] Tor Karlsvalt: nothing pip
[12:56] Lilith Ivory: Hi Isabel
[12:56] Fern Leissa: I think Pip is wondering why the SC appointed the CA
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: So I think the SC was designed to be under close scrutiny of all three branches.
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: sort of complicated.
[12:56] Pip Torok: i wd suggest that the RA request the Dean to look into this, do what she thinks necessary, liaise with the exec and explain to the RA … we NEED an explanation imo
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: I have no idea Fern
[12:57] Fern Leissa:
[12:57] Fern Leissa: I have to say… I like the idea of a CA.. with content of course
[12:57] Tor Karlsvalt: I thnk the law merely requires that RA can request an audit.
[12:57] Fern Leissa: As a back-up copy for all community builds
[12:57] Lilith Ivory: for me it seems Tor is about to fix it
[12:57] Lilith Ivory: what can we the RA do to help with that?
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: yes I just need the agrement modified.
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: just lost track a little sorry
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: as Mikelo suggested.
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: I have a simple motion ready to alter the law slightly
[12:58] Fern Leissa:
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: brb
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: good
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: at least, to take the exact figure out, if everyone is ready
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: yes
[12:59] Fern Leissa: yes
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: I move we alter NL 7-10, changing the line “monthly payment of $1000 linden dollar” to “a stipend, as specified in the Chancellor’s budget”

[12:59] Lilith Ivory: I´d be happy to have a second
[12:59] Fern Leissa:
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Second.
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: all in favour for Mikelos ament say aye pleasy
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Move to vote?
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[12:59] Pip Torok: aye
[12:59] Fern Leissa: aye
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: also I think we really should have an executive Alt
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: these kind of hard-coding issues are a problem in software, too
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: holding the non transferable content we need for events
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: b
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: I’ll send a note to cindy about this, as she asked
[13:00] Fern Leissa: Could that not also be the CA?
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: might be possible
[13:01] Pip Torok: btw any comment on my suggestion … vis .. i wd suggest that the RA request the Dean to look into this, do what she thinks necessary, liaise with the exec and explain to the RA … we NEED an explanation imo
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: but as Tor told me the CA archivist was meant to prevent content from mad Chancellors _)
[13:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: I agree, Pip
[13:01] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: And if that’s a vote, I support — “aye”.
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: With that, I’m off!
[13:02] Pip Torok: we have neither delia nor Aliasi here to clear this matter up
[13:02] Fern Leissa: Doesn’t just have to be mad Chancellors, could be other reasons we loose/delete content
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Goodbye, ladies and gentlemen. ㋡
[13:02] Pip Torok: bye Gui!
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: does that mean you want to bring this to SC also Pip?
[13:02] Fern Leissa: Bye Guillauame
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: night Guillaume
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker tips his hat off and bows, like a gentleman.
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: cu gui
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: bye Gui
[13:02] Pip Torok: yes, Lilith
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: in this case I´d need a second so we can vote for it
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: right?
[13:03] Pip Torok agrees
[13:03] Fern Leissa: I need clarification. What are we asking SC about?
[13:03] Pip Torok: no second?
[13:04] Lilith Ivory: but is it still necessary as we votet for Mikelos amend already?
[13:04] Pip Torok: we ask this:i wd suggest that the RA request the Dean to look into this, do what she thinks necessary, liaise with the exec and explain to the RA … we NEED an explanation imo
[13:04] Fern Leissa: Are you wanting to clarify why they were the onces to appoint the CA?
[13:05] Pip Torok: not specicifically … merely to put us in the picture and give us an explannation
[13:05] Fern Leissa: *ones
[13:05] Lilith Ivory: didn´t Tor give us an explanation already?
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: The explanation is that his has been ignored for years now.
[13:06] Pip Torok: yes … but we need one from the SC!
[13:06] Fern Leissa: Ok. I second Pip
[13:06] Pip Torok: why do they say there is no content?
[13:06] Lilith Ivory: well ok
[13:06] Pip Torok: (thanks Fern)
[13:06] Lilith Ivory: all in favor to bring it to SC say aye please
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: I suggest we merely amend the agreement, i get it from Aliasi, she creates the alt and hte RA requests an invenfory.
[13:07] Pip Torok: aye
[13:07] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:07] Lilith Ivory: nay
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Ok, i interpret this as an RA request for an inventory of the content.
[13:08] Lilith Ivory: for this I would vote aye also
[13:09] Lilith Ivory: we need 7 day votes to know if we bring it to SC or not
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: so did you change your nay to an aye, lilith?
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: brb
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: I said nay to bring it to SC
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: as I don´t see why we need to bother them with that issue
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: imo we are fine with your amend
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: but you would aye a request to them to inventory the content?
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: yes but I don´t think the SC knows more than we do
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: let Tor and Alliassi figure it out together and give us a list
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: ok, the main thing is to get an alt created and get our stuff backed-up
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: exactly
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: and we need to find all those old CDS buildings to give it to the Alt
[13:13] Mikelo Serevi: but, like Pip, I’m a little curious why the Sc doesn’t thing we have any building
[13:13] Mikelo Serevi: s
[13:13] Pip Torok: imo we all need to know (a) the inventory if any and (b) what arrangements for an CA-alt are in place or not .. and why/why not
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: yup I´m just not fine with moving all our problems to the SC
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: aren´t we grown ups ourselfes?
[13:15] Tor Karlsvalt: b
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: the SC is for overlooking laws and not for searching content right?
[13:15] Pip Torok: true … but we (the RA PLUS SC PLUS Exec PLUS citizens) still need to know
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: I agree Pip
[13:16] Fern Leissa: I think the issue here is that we want clarification from the SC because they appointed the CA
[13:16] Tor Karlsvalt: i agree pip, and we should get an inventory of items held by the CA.
[13:16] Fern Leissa: Which seems kinda strange to me actually
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: looooong time ago
[13:16] Tor Karlsvalt: well per the law, authority over the CA is mixed.
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: it looks like either Tor or the SC can do the inventory
[13:17] Tor Karlsvalt: well right, The RA requests it tho per the law
[13:17] Fern Leissa: perhaps that is part of the problem. No clear chain of responsibility and this “fell through the cracks”
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: if Gui votes aye wewill bring it there anyway
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: But Fern is right, the SC appointed the CA
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi: and Tor is pretty busy already
[13:18] Fern Leissa: for sure
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: are you Tor ?
[13:19] Fern Leissa: He is around all the time trying to move the day-to-day along as I see it
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: well, let´s see what the 7day vote brings
[13:19] Fern Leissa: esp the vacant land/no income issues
[13:20] Pip Torok agrees about the 7-day vote
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: next item would be Report of the citizenship commission but Aria is not here again
[13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: btw, this is the bit about inventory or review of the CA.. 9. Either the Chancellor or the Dean of the Scientific Counsel, when requested by the RA, must audit all archived objects in the the CA avatar’s inventory and provide that audit to the RA for review. The audit should be conducted according to the procedures outlined in section C
[13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry that is out of order
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: but good to know
[13:21] Fern Leissa: yes good to know
[13:22] Pip Torok: yes!
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: as Arria isn´t there we have time left anyway
[13:23] Pip Torok: may we move to VI.B please?
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: sure
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: Fern do you want to give us report?
[13:24] Fern Leissa: Sure, I can catch everyone up to where we are on the covenants
[13:24] Fern Leissa: I’m slowly making my way through the sim specific covenants
[13:25] Fern Leissa: I’ve had 2 meetings about AM and now 2 mts about LA
[13:25] Fern Leissa: Next week I’ll hold meetings about the CN covenant
[13:25] Fern Leissa: On March 1 @ 4 pm slt and March 5 @ 9 am slt
[13:25] Fern Leissa: I’m thinking the baths are a good place
[13:26] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:26] Pip Torok agrees!
[13:26] Mikelo Serevi: oh, nice
[13:26] Fern Leissa: I’ll announce it tomorrow am
[13:26] Fern Leissa: Some of the same issues are coming up… but in AM and LA
[13:26] Fern Leissa: Whether or not to have land holding limits
[13:26] Fern Leissa: How much, what zones
[13:27] Fern Leissa: There’s a lot of reason to lift the land holding limits in LA
[13:27] Fern Leissa: but there is also the question of having land available for new comers
[13:27] Fern Leissa: Should several large land holders buy up a lot of property
[13:27] Pip Torok: (does “lift” mean increase the limit or abolish the limit?)
[13:28] Fern Leissa: Theme is still a problem in LA but I think the general agreement is that it is roman Italy with a greek port
[13:28] Fern Leissa: Southern Greek port
[13:28] Fern Leissa: Time period is still at issue.
[13:28] Fern Leissa: I am seriously thinking of trying to craft a short narrative for each sim covenant
[13:29] Fern Leissa: that makes it clear where/what time/ what theme
[13:29] Fern Leissa: Land price keeps coming into the discussion althourh
[13:29] Fern Leissa: that is outside the covenant
[13:29] Fern Leissa: Also… subletting is an issue
[13:30] Fern Leissa: I do not have agreement on that issue… but it does seem most of the vendors what to be able to sublet
[13:30] Fern Leissa: sublet, as distinct from renting
[13:30] Fern Leissa: So subletters would pay some fee(s) directly to the landowner and would not have voting rights
[13:31] Fern Leissa: I encourage all of you to look at the transcrip if you want more info on the feeling here
[13:31] Fern Leissa: I think those are the main things that still need working out
[13:31] Fern Leissa: I plan to continue meeting with each sim.
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: good
[13:32] Fern Leissa: After that I’d like to put a draft of the CDS general covenant and each specific covenant up on the forum
[13:32] Fern Leissa: And ask comments.
[13:32] Fern Leissa: I will try, as best I can to reflect what I understadn
[13:32] Fern Leissa: to be the desires of the community
[13:33] Fern Leissa: in these covenant drafts.
[13:33] Fern Leissa: That’s it. I guess Except for your questions
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: any questions to Fern?
[13:34] Pip Torok: none from me … a fair summing-up imo
[13:34] Mikelo Serevi: no, it’s was a good report. Thanks for all your hard work, Fern
[13:34] Fern Leissa:
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: yes thank you Fern
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: for the land commission we are still looking for a volunteer willing to chair it
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: unfortunately i had no chance to ask Sudane so far
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: one other person is thinking about chairing this commission
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: also I will ( for sure) make a forum post about it this week
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: I´m pretty sure we will find somebody for this job
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: any comments?
[13:38] Pip Torok: I think we’ve said all we can on this issue…
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: yup
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: any other RA memebers concerns?
[13:39] Lilith Ivory isn´t used to so much silence in here
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:39] Pip Torok revels in th silence!
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:39] Mikelo Serevi: I guess we’re all worn out from RL
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: yea same here
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: I sugest we have our next meeting in 14 days
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: all ok with that?
[13:40] Fern Leissa:
[13:40] Pip Torok agrees
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: yes
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: good
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: any announcements?
[13:41] Fern Leissa: That’s March 13th. Daylight savings begins in US
[13:41] Pip Torok: just one
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: yikes
[13:41] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:41] Mikelo Serevi: thanks for the warning
[13:41] Mikelo Serevi: luckily, my phone is pretty smart
[13:41] Mikelo Serevi: phone/alarm
[13:42] Pip Torok: ive built a new house in NFS .. and will have a housewarming shortly for all CDS citizens plus friends
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: wish europe and the US would do it at the same time
[13:42] Fern Leissa: somebodys got to be lol
[13:42] Mikelo Serevi: oh nice, Pip
[13:42] Pip Torok: but cannot yet tell you when!
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: nice
[13:42] Fern Leissa: Nice
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: I guess it will be at an europe friendly time
[13:43] Fern Leissa: Wish there were no such thing as Daylight Savings
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt: yah
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah
[13:43] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah Fern , the corn needs ALL the daylight
[13:43] Pip Torok: I guess … but then i’ll get someone to deputise for the US-froendly period and the asia-friendly period!
[13:43] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:43] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:44] Fern Leissa: Chinese know how to do it. Same time all zones lol
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: wow cool
[13:44] Mikelo Serevi: so only one actually fits the daylight….
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:45] Pip Torok: same time all zones? i thought that was SLT!
[13:45] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:45] Mikelo Serevi: right Pip, California time rules
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: if there are no more announcements I sugest we adjourn for now
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: all in favour?
[13:46] Pip Torok: aye
[13:46] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:46] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:46] Tor Karlsvalt: Woot!

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Transcript RA Meeting March 27
by Lilith Ivory » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:39 pm
[11:59] Lilith Ivory: hope there will be more than us today
[11:59] Mikelo Serevi: I think there should be, I talked to fern a while ago
[12:00] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:00] Mikelo Serevi: besides, you sent the notice early this time
[12:00] Lilith Ivory: this time I nearly became a victim of daylight saving time
[12:00] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:00] Lilith Ivory: I try hard hehe
[12:00] Mikelo Serevi: oh, it’s happening over there now, right?
[12:01] Lilith Ivory: yes our time changed last night
[12:01] Lilith Ivory: brb
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: back
[12:02] Fern Leissa: Huum.
[12:02] Fern Leissa: Hi Lilith
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: Hiya Fern
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi:
[12:02] Fern Leissa: Hi Mikelo and Guillaume
[12:03] Fern Leissa: Can’t walk
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: guil is away atm
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: Huum?
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: ooh
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: lag?
[12:03] Fern Leissa: yeah
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: there should be a weelchair somewhere in my inventory
[12:03] Fern Leissa: wheew Made it
[12:03] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:03] Fern Leissa: Hi Pip
[12:04] Pip Torok: hi fern, hi all
[12:04] Mikelo Serevi: with my older system, I used to long-distance sit a lot
[12:04] Mikelo Serevi: hi pip
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: Hiya Pip
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: think we have a quorum hu?
[12:05] Mikelo Serevi: and then some
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: we should start with Citizens concerns
[12:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello all, sorry for running away so soon.. had to clean up from lunch ㋡
[12:06] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:06] Fern Leissa: Hi Guillaume wb
[12:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Fern ㋡
[12:06] Fern Leissa: Where are our lovely citizens
[12:07] Mikelo Serevi: not concerned, I guess
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha!
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: ㋡
[12:07] Pip Torok: being lovely somewhere i suppose, Fern
[12:07] Mikelo Serevi: but they COULD be if they wanted, and that’s what’s important
[12:07] Fern Leissa: hehe
[12:07] Fern Leissa: I know Anna can’t come. I saw her last night
[12:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aw… shame
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: no concerns from RA member/citizens also?
[12:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: I have none…
[12:08] Fern Leissa: Not for today. No.
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: I´m trying to bring our bossman here for his Report
[12:10] Pip Torok: he was around just now
[12:10] Fern Leissa: You’re our boss Lilith
[12:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, boosman?
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: hhe
[12:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Bossman, rather
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: I´m only the bosswoman
[12:10] Pip Torok: talk of the d8vil!
[12:10] Fern Leissa: hehe. Guess he’s here
[12:10] Fern Leissa: Just a guess
[12:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha
[12:10] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:10] Mikelo Serevi: nice moves
[12:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Looks like someone was dancing…!
[12:10] Tor Karlsvalt: halaluha
[12:11] Fern Leissa: hehe. Looks that way
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: Tor is all happy to see us
[12:11] Tor Karlsvalt: um I mean hi
[12:11] Guillaume Mistwalker chuckles.
[12:11] Pip Torok: hi (I mean umm:)
[12:11] Tor Karlsvalt: You guys should all go to Callies gosple brunch sometime
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: didn´t know it was today
[12:11] Fern Leissa: Where is her gosple brunch?
[12:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Oh! I forgot that it was the last sunday of the month!
[12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh some sim.
[12:12] Pip Torok: didnt know it was anyday!
[12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: it is lots of fun
[12:12] Fern Leissa: some sim lol
[12:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: It is alot of fun ㋡
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: let´s move forward to the report of the Chancelor
[12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: I got the lord in my hard and spirit in my feet
[12:12] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: I didn’t prepare a set statement
[12:13] Fern Leissa: Your hard huh?
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: hhaha
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt: heart
[12:13] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:13] Fern Leissa: ok. We’ll let that slide
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: alleluia
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: just give us a short financial report and let us know about landsales and events
[12:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we have been conservative this term with spending.
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: Arria posted Sudanes report on the forum right?
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: since the beginning of the term we have however saved about $290.00 usd, which we will begin spending for Floralia and we will plan some events to crate soem buzz for the festival
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: yes for February
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: LA is a problem.
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Currently there are 16 parcels in LA that are for sale
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: by CDS
[12:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: !!!!
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: 8 are set for sale
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: in addition there are 2 private sales in LA
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: currently the sim is slightly loosing money.
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: not a lot, only about 17 usd a month.
[12:17] Tor Karlsvalt: We have created a spreadsheet with the current land available in CDS.
[12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: the sheet is available on the web at
[12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: http://cdstheblog.blogspot.com/p/land.html
[12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: We have aquired a new kiosk system
[12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: an example of one is at the back of the hall near the exit.
[12:19] Guillaume Mistwalker nods, “Much better than the last…!”
[12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: it is a very virstile system
[12:19] Fern Leissa: Yes. Saw it last night. Very nice
[12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: will do lots for us
[12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: Each picture is a button that will provide a group joiner, a subcribo invite if a person does not want to join the group, and links to the portal blog and land info
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: cool
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: very cool
[12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: We will be offering copies of the kiosk to anyone who would like to place it on their land they might own elsewhere
[12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: We can have a number of admin to the system
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: that´s a good idea
[12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: and it can be updated via the web
[12:22] Tor Karlsvalt: a second network of kiosks will be set out for Floralia
[12:22] Tor Karlsvalt: Floralia dates will be May 27, 28 and 29
[12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: We plan to have music, a play, shops and maybe a horse race.
[12:23] Fern Leissa:
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: Aliasi has created a CA alt
[12:24] Pip Torok: great!
[12:24] Fern Leissa: Yes, excellent
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: The name is
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: CDSArchive
[12:25] Fern Leissa:
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: There is at present not much in it
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: lovely name!
[12:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: Good, good.
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: may we get a content list till next meeting?
[12:25] Pip Torok: trips off the tongue!
[12:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: I will send her a folder of all my Floralia things.
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Moon’s textures for the CN facelift, as well as her builds and textures for Locus Amoenus. Cindy Ecksol’s stream bridge for same, a Quay bridge marked as by Sudane, an oktoberfest stall.
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank Guillaume
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I asked Aliasi to continue to look for items and provide a more detailed list
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: good!
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: She stated however, little is from the old Neualtenburg days
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: also, not all builders provided her with copies of structures
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: She also provided me with the passworkd for the alt, but I will just give that to the Dean
[12:27] Pip Torok: can they be contacted?
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker nods…
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: and whowever else the law requires
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: I am not sure pip
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: I suppose I could try.
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: sounds like a lot of research it to do here
[12:29] Pip Torok: we won’t hold our breath, Tor …
[12:29] Fern Leissa: What about stuff from Brian Livingstone?
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: possibly, I think he did the amphitheater
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: That would be an important structure I would hate to loose.
[12:29] Fern Leissa: He’s my neighbor sorta. I could IM him and just ask if you want?
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: sure thanks Fern
[12:30] Fern Leissa: kk
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Do you see him in world?
[12:30] Mikelo Serevi: he’s been busy, but I’m sure he’ll be agreeable about it
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: some of the old houses in CN are free to copy …
[12:30] Fern Leissa: He’s doin grad school so Mikelo is right. Pretty busy and not around lately
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: maybe we should give the CA a copy of them also
[12:31] Pip Torok: agree
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: copy of?
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: oh yes missed it
[12:31] Pip Torok: the old houses in CN
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: some of the houses downtown CN are free to copy
[12:32] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: well we could collect copies and give them to the CA. I or Anna can do that.
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: I found out by accident
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: probably should try to contact he builder first tho.
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: it´s Sudanes builds
[12:33] Pip Torok: it wd be diplomatic …
[12:33] Tor Karlsvalt: oh well I will ask Sudane.
[12:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Trebor has been doing lots of work with tier and land analysis
[12:34] Fern Leissa: Yes. Really helpful info
[12:34] Lilith Ivory: yea he agreed to chair the Land commission
[12:34] Fern Leissa: ))
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: I have to commend him for such an extensive repot
[12:34] Tor Karlsvalt: I mayself would favor converting to a hippo system.
[12:35] Tor Karlsvalt: Also, I am farily sure Sudane would like it as well.
[12:35] Tor Karlsvalt: naturally this is a huge chagne and would need discussion.
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: then after that implementation would take a lot of work.
[12:36] Mikelo Serevi: yes, but it’s worth talking about
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: yes it is Mikelo
[12:36] Lilith Ivory nods
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Treb Sudane and myself have posted to the forum recently on the subject
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: the system is cheap.
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: less then 5000 Lindne
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: linden
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: But it would provide instant reports, data protection, additional managers, more transpancy (an issue with some) and more
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: downside is that we might have to pay multiple boxes
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: these would be set on each parcel
[12:38] Pip Torok: how many?
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: each parcel
[12:38] Pip Torok: oh!
[12:38] Fern Leissa:
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: we would not have to use that configuration
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: as you know AA has one box per citizen
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: The would require some manual manipulaton.
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: but I understand it could be done.
[12:39] Fern Leissa: I did not know that about AA. Sound right Pip?
[12:40] Pip Torok: i thought it was each citizen and each plot s/he rented
[12:40] Fern Leissa: I did too
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: so she has a separate box per plot?
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: well, rental system of AA seems to be a little out of topic hu?
[12:41] Pip Torok: for me she did
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: ok that makes sence actually from what I read.
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: well we could do that.
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: for me both works having one box in each fronyard or a central one
[12:41] Fern Leissa: So we would have to pay for each plot
[12:41] Fern Leissa: Is that right Tor? From what you read?
[12:42] Pip Torok: i wonder whether the AA boxes cost 5000 each!
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: but you must have one box per parcel?
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: yes fern
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: that seems to go along with the specs i read.
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I thought AA had a different config.
[12:42] Fern Leissa: ok. thanks
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: problem with CDS is in NFS.
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane says there are about a 100 prim micro parcels.
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: of mayb it is 100 parcels alltogether
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: you can imagine the problem of putting 100 payment boxes in a buiding.
[12:43] Fern Leissa: yeah…
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: ouch
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: so there are issues.
[12:44] Guillaume Mistwalker nods.
[12:44] Pip Torok: i think a multiple plot single citizen system is the only way, Tor
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: well to tell the truth, for me it doesn’t matter.
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: any given month I am at or near all of my parcels
[12:45] Fern Leissa: But that wouldn’t solve the micro parcel issue unfortunately Pip
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: it would be no problem to just pay the box.
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: with Hippo this could be done at any time
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: NFS does get dicy
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: sometimes new citizens had problems to find their boxes hehe
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: There I would perhaps at lest put all the boxes for each person on one parcel
[12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: true
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: I suppose we could put all the boxes on one parcel for each owner. But that would require lots of work eveytime some land changed hands.
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: but thes are things that can be discussed by the commission
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: oron the forum.
[12:48] Pip Torok: agree
[12:48] Lilith Ivory: I agree also
[12:48] Tor Karlsvalt: oh Rosie had done a great job closing up the east side of NFS and AM
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye, yes
[12:49] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah?
[12:49] Guillaume Mistwalker: She did?
[12:49] Fern Leissa: Oh. It’s done already?
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: I have not inquired with anyone in AA as to how this was received.
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: yes she completed it several weeks ago.
[12:49] Fern Leissa: I’ll have to take a look.
[12:49] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:49] Tor Karlsvalt: I am not sure if that is intended to be final. but you should all look
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: yes!
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[12:50] Pip Torok: i suppose no news from AA is good news …
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: do you have anything else to report Tor ?
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: any new citizens?
[12:50] Tor Karlsvalt: no, that should be all.
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: oh one more thing
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt:
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker smiles
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: ok
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: I need to get the statemet from Aliasi. I will send it to her and ask her to post it to the forum under her own name.
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: that’s IS all, thank you, all and Ms. LRA
[12:52] Lilith Ivory applauds
[12:52] Mikelo Serevi: thx tor
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: let´s move to commissions than
[12:52] Pip Torok: applauds
[12:52] Fern Leissa: ty Tor
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: I just talked to Arria …
[12:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you, Herr Chancellor
[12:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, Lil?
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: she has nothing to report about Citizenship commission at the moment
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: but will make a proposal soon
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: anyting new from the Covenant Commission Fern?
[12:54] Fern Leissa: Sure. I could catch everybody up
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: yea
[12:54] Fern Leissa: And maybe talk about a few changes I’m going to suggest
[12:55] Fern Leissa: Sound ok?
[12:55] Guillaume Mistwalker nods.
[12:55] Pip Torok: sure
[12:55] Lilith Ivory: just not too long as Mikelo gave us a lot to talk about also
[12:55] Fern Leissa: So far, I have held Covenant Commission community meetings to discuss the general CDS covenant
[12:55] Fern Leissa: as well as each sim’s covenant, with the exception of the Monastery sim.
[12:56] Fern Leissa: I’ve posted all the transcripts of the meetings to the forum for comments
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi:
[12:56] Fern Leissa: The community meetings to discuss the Monastery covenant are set for next week,
[12:56] Fern Leissa: March 29th at 4 pm slt and April 2nd @ 9 am slt
[12:56] Fern Leissa: By April 23rd I hope to have rewritten the covenants,
[12:57] Fern Leissa: based as much as possible on comments and concerns coming from citizens
[12:57] Fern Leissa: I will post them to the Representative Assembly Discussion section
[12:57] Lilith Ivory: good
[12:57] Fern Leissa: f the forum for your comments and changes.
[12:57] Fern Leissa: There are a couple of changes to the General CDS covenant
[12:57] Fern Leissa: That I am planning to recommend
[12:58] Fern Leissa: Private security scripts would now be allowed, as long as they are used above 512m
[12:58] Fern Leissa: Removal of the provision against subletting.
[12:58] Fern Leissa: This is something that was requested by every CDS merchant that attended the community meetings.
[12:58] Fern Leissa: Changes to the use of signs include allowing them within commercial zones
[12:58] Fern Leissa: as long as they fall within the theme of the sim
[12:59] Fern Leissa: Election posters and signs are specifically allowed.
[12:59] Fern Leissa: the restrictions on land ownership is the issue
[12:59] Fern Leissa: that I feel most impt to look at
[12:59] Fern Leissa: I am suggesting…
[12:59] Pip Torok: (agrees)
[12:59] Fern Leissa: Maximum ownership of CDS land would be set at the CDS community level, not at the individual sim level (
[13:00] Fern Leissa: Land ownership per individual (including any Group property an individual might own)
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: not a bad idea, simpler
[13:00] Fern Leissa: would be set at a maximum of 8192 m2 per avatar
[13:00] Fern Leissa: For purposes of this covenant, groups do not own land,
[13:00] Fern Leissa: only the individual whose name appears as owner on the Land Tab.
[13:01] Fern Leissa: That an individual is currently allowed to deed land to a
[13:01] Fern Leissa: group in CDS
[13:01] Fern Leissa: and thereby gain citizenship is independent of the calculation
[13:01] Fern Leissa: f the allowed maximum for land ownership under the CDS General Covenant.
[13:01] Fern Leissa: Ownership limits would also be subject to specific restrictions within certain zones
[13:02] Fern Leissa: NFS, CN and LA (urban areas)
[13:02] Fern Leissa: these would not apply to AM.
[13:02] Fern Leissa: Ownership of land in these restricted zones would NOT
[13:02] Fern Leissa: be in addition to the 8192 m2 maximum of CDS land ownership allowed.
[13:02] Fern Leissa: Citizens owning land which exceeds the maximum allowed, but purchased prior to the enactment
[13:02] Fern Leissa: of this new covenant, will not be asked to relinquish their
[13:03] Fern Leissa: excess holdings but will not be permitted to purchase
[13:03] Fern Leissa: any additional land until they have reduced their holdings
[13:03] Fern Leissa: to an amount below the maximum that meets or exceeds the amount of new land
[13:03] Fern Leissa: they wish to purchase
[13:03] Fern Leissa: he question of lifting the restriction of clubs
[13:04] Fern Leissa: has been raised a no of times

[13:04] Fern Leissa: but I am not planning to remove this clause.
[13:04] Fern Leissa: I am assuming that musical events and dancing on either public or private land,
[13:04] Fern Leissa: even if they are repeated on a very regular basis,
[13:04] Fern Leissa: are understood by this community
[13:05] Fern Leissa: to be a cultural or social events and not subject to the restriction on clubs.
[13:05] Fern Leissa: I’d really love some feed-back on the land ownership
[13:05] Fern Leissa: That’s if for now I guess
[13:05] Pip Torok: i have a query
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: yeah, we wouldn’t want to have to shut Pip down for having a club
[13:05] Fern Leissa: Did I make it in 10 min
[13:05] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:05] Lilith Ivory: Thank you fern
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: good job!!!
[13:06] Mikelo Serevi: thx fern
[13:06] Lilith Ivory: you were quite good
[13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker claps
[13:06] Fern Leissa:
[13:06] Pip Torok: if someone wishes to reduce his holdings, how does s/he go about it? … set for sale to an individual, to “anybody” or even abandon?
[13:07] Fern Leissa: It would be the same as now Pip
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: anything that works, I guess
[13:07] Fern Leissa: Any of those
[13:07] Lilith Ivory: I guess so also
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker nods.
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh, the best think to do is to abandon, naturally if you have tried to sell
[13:07] Lilith Ivory: same like before
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: If you abandon, sudane will get a notice that the land is available
[13:07] Pip Torok: right now i have set a plot for sale to Sudane, but until/unless she accepts it i hav not reduced my holdings
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: if you just set it to for sale, to Rudeen, she will not get a notice.
[13:08] Pip Torok: (in old monastery Street)
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: right Pip
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: I have told her already of the parcel
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: she knows.
[13:08] Pip Torok: ah … thanks .. ill send her a note then ….
[13:08] Lilith Ivory: isn´t abandoming more easy for both sides?
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: but she did express a wish that everyone just tell her if you choose to set it for sale to Rudeen
[13:09] Pip Torok: so i’ll wait to hear from her …
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: yes lil
[13:09] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:09] Mikelo Serevi: it just sounds wrong, like abandoning a kitten
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: ifyou abandon, Sudane will be automatically notified
[13:09] Pip Torok: ok … 9thinks: remember that, Pip)
[13:09] Tor Karlsvalt: yes I agree Mik, there is that
[13:09] Pip Torok: so do i agree Mik
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: If you ever noticed, there are sensors placed at each sim
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: these inform Sudane of any changes to land ownership.
[13:10] Lilith Ivory: I see
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: but like I said, if you set it for sale to Rudene, you must tell Sudane via IM or email.
[13:11] Fern Leissa: Sometimes sisters just don’t talk lol
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: hehe so true
[13:11] Pip Torok: i know a few like that!
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: only when one steals the others bf.
[13:12] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: I think they yell then
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: hehehe
[13:12] Pip Torok: … or clothes … or makeup …
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: well guys ….
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: let´s move forward hehe
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: all I wanted to say about the Land commission was said already
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: Trebor agreed to chair the commission and did a lot of work on the forum already
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: if you all agree we can move to Mikelos aganda additions now
[13:14] Fern Leissa: Yes. Please
[13:14] Mikelo Serevi: thanks
[13:14] Pip Torok: yes … agree
[13:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, please.
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: I just realized I forgot to place the original text in the box
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: but it´s there now
[13:15] Mikelo Serevi: it’s actually three things, I dont know that we can get to it all
[13:15] Mikelo Serevi: the first item came up a few weeks ago regarding land sales
[13:15] Mikelo Serevi: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=241
[13:16] Mikelo Serevi: NL 9-3 Land Sales Listing Improvement Act
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: maybe we can start talking and continue with them next time
[13:16] Mikelo Serevi: ok, we can play it by ear
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: NL 9-3 apparently allows CDS to prevent citizens from selling land on their own
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: disabling the SL system
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: I don’t think the state should ever be able to do this
[13:17] Pip Torok: URL of this please?
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=241
[13:18] Pip Torok: tks
[13:18] Fern Leissa: Have we ever actually done this??
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi: I think it’s supposed to be 1-4, but there are two item #3s
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi: no, I didn’t even know this law existed
[13:19] Fern Leissa: jeez. Me neither
[13:19] Mikelo Serevi: so my proposal here is to just strike 3 an4, or both #3s
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: gez, I can´t remember this also
[13:20] Pip Torok: i’d like us to look at 2 popositions about this …
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: would like to know why this got adopted
[13:20] Fern Leissa: Why not all of NL 9-3 Mikelo ?
[13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: There seems to be a typo in he law
[13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: the second #3 should be #4
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: there might be a reason for this law
[13:21] Mikelo Serevi: it seems like it was designed to allow a better system to be put in place
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: we should find out more about it before we vote imo
[13:21] Pip Torok: 1) that sales and purchase of private land with landlimits are the business of the 2 parties only
[13:21] Fern Leissa: “acilitated and supervised by the CDS Executive Branch. .. don’t know if I like that either
[13:21] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[13:22] Pip Torok: and 2) that these transactions, once made, be transparent to all
[13:22] Fern Leissa: I agree we not rush to a vote. But Mikelo is right to bring this up
[13:23] Fern Leissa: I have assumed we all had the right of direct land sale
[13:23] Pip Torok: i dont think that the original thinking was to _restrict_ private sales …
[13:23] Fern Leissa: We have certainly been doing them I think
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: we always did imo
[13:23] Mikelo Serevi: we do, but this law says it can be taken away
[13:24] Pip Torok: does it, Mikelo?
[13:24] Fern Leissa: 2009. Not that long ago…..
[13:24] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: yes Tor?
[13:24] Tor Karlsvalt: um, I wonder if this law is somewhat archaic
[13:25] Tor Karlsvalt: I would understand that Sudane might wnat to control when land is sold.
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: I wonder what caused the RA to adopt this law
[13:25] Tor Karlsvalt: or rather the fact that it has changed hands
[13:25] Fern Leissa: Exactly Lilith.
[13:25] Mikelo Serevi: or monitor, yes, to do her job
[13:25] Tor Karlsvalt: I belive that since this law, her sim monitors have been placed and now inform her of land changing hands.
[13:26] Pip Torok: but not beyond _monitor_ …
[13:26] Fern Leissa: We could ask that people report land sales to the exec w/out having “supervision” of the sales process
[13:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I would point out, that since our spreadsheet is now on the blog and available via the kiosks, we have a central listing of all land for sale.
[13:26] Tor Karlsvalt: This list included priviate sales.
[13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: that said, I consider this law as optional
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: imo almighty Rudeen did always know when land changed hands
[13:27] Fern Leissa whispers: Hi Anna
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: Hiya Anna
[13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: although authrorized to stop private sales, I will not.
[13:27] Mikelo Serevi: are you talking about the whole thing, or just 33?
[13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: nor intend to
[13:27] Anna Toussaint: Hi, all
[13:27] Pip Torok: ?me whispers too
[13:27] Mikelo Serevi: yes, see, Tor could turn off sales right now
[13:27] Mikelo Serevi: hi Anna
[13:27] Anna Toussaint:
[13:27] Tor Karlsvalt: the whole think seems to be unnessary to me.
[13:28] Pip Torok: and to me…
[13:28] Fern Leissa: Yeah. Don’t really like that Mikelo. No offense to Tor
[13:28] Tor Karlsvalt: I think private sales should be encouraged
[13:28] Mikelo Serevi: well, any objections to me moving to strike the whole law?
[13:28] Tor Karlsvalt: yes I could that is in the estate powers
[13:28] Pip Torok thinks we’re all singing from the same hymn-sheet…
[13:28] Tor Karlsvalt: but I would not,
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: I´d like to table that issue till next time so we can find out more about the reasons of that law
[13:29] Fern Leissa: I have no objections but would prefer to hold the vote til next time
[13:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: Agreed, Lil
[13:29] Tor Karlsvalt: I would have not problem with a low forbidding the exec to do this.
[13:29] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:29] Tor Karlsvalt: I will not read the term ‘authorized” as meaning compelled
[13:29] Mikelo Serevi: even though we all seem to agree we dont like the law?
[13:30] Fern Leissa: In fact in general … I was thinking recently I’d perfer that we wait to vote in sessions following discussion
[13:30] Fern Leissa: Time to cogitate
[13:30] Mikelo Serevi: yes, sometimes things can move quickly
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: yea but I dislike to vote about something without knowing all facts
[13:30] Mikelo Serevi: maybe that’s how bad laws get passed…
[13:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed. I would like to research this more.
[13:30] Tor Karlsvalt: probably we should look in the transcripts for the reason behind this law.
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: that´s my plan
[13:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: .me nods.
[13:31] Fern Leissa: ?? You mean waiting Mikelo? or not waiting??
[13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: but I suspect the reason is no longer valid.
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: and I´d appreciate you doing that also
[13:31] Mikelo Serevi: not waiting, rushing, can make for bad choices
[13:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: Now, second point?
[13:31] Fern Leissa: ok
[13:31] Mikelo Serevi: but I think we all agree about #3
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: looks like it
[13:32] Fern Leissa: At this point I would say the entire law
[13:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: Personally, I’d love to hear about repealing the optional-faction amendment
[13:32] Pip Torok: me too
[13:32] Mikelo Serevi: oh, ok
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: what about 2.?
[13:32] Mikelo Serevi: we can move to the last if people want
[13:33] Guillaume Mistwalker: “CDSL 13-07: Term Limits Act
No directly elected office in the CDS Government can be held by the same citizen more than two terms in succession
Anything over 13 weeks, or half a term, constitutes a term for purposes of the term limits law”
[13:34] Pip Torok: well imho this cannot hold while there are so few candidates and/or citizens
[13:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed.
[13:35] Guillaume Mistwalker: This would make sense in a macronation, but not for us.
[13:35] Pip Torok: so I say repeal
[13:35] Guillaume Mistwalker: Uh oh..
[13:35] Guillaume Mistwalker: Mik’s crashed
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: looks like it
[13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: I don’t see there have been problems.
[13:35] Pip Torok: well were in a sense nonquorate till he’s back I suppose
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: one more reason to aquire more active citizens
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: true LIl
[13:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: We aren’t?
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: the faction system is undemocratic.
[13:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: We have 4 MPs…
[13:36] Pip Torok: we need 5 to be quorate?
[13:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: 4/7 is the majority for a quorum
[13:36] Tor Karlsvalt: especialy when replacement RA members were needed.
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: 4 I think
[13:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Tor
[13:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: I was elected because there were only 6 candidates..
[13:37] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, but you were elected
[13:37] Pip Torok: i’d like to know what is being discussed … that factions no longer become optional but _required_ …?
[13:37] Lilith Ivory stares at the empty seats of Cindy and Gwyn
[13:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: Such a law, that restricts the number of candidates, may help to …”refresh” the legislature, but it’s a nightmare when you have so few people to refresh with.
[13:37] Tor Karlsvalt: under the faction system, the largest faction could just appoint you.
[13:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: I was talking about Law 13-07
[13:38] Pip Torok: ah … sorry
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: the disussion about faction systems comes next if we have time left
[13:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I’d rather like to see that factions are enforced again…
[13:38] Mikelo Serevi: bad timing for a net drop
[13:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: WB Mik ㋡
[13:38] Mikelo Serevi: thx
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: wb Mik
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: one agenda item after the other please
[13:39] Pip Torok: i’d appreciate hearing the reasons, guillaume
[13:39] Fern Leissa: wb
[13:39] Pip Torok: wb
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: or are we done with point2?
[13:39] Mikelo Serevi: so, were we on the second still?
[13:39] Guillaume Mistwalker: And while the faction could just appoint you, such an appointment would be democratic in the fact that the people elected your faction.
[13:39] Pip Torok: I think so ….
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt: I disagree Guillaume
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: are we talking about Term Limits or factions now guys?
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: did my point about its practicality get through, or was I gone by then?
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: if anything that will just discourage even more people
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: and complicates our laws
[13:40] Pip Torok: what makes you believe the citizens wd find that prederable, Guillaume?
[13:40] Fern Leissa: Mikelo… I think we need to hear from you
[13:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, such is a system used by the EU… I much prefer FPTP, tbh., which is what you’re talking about I think.
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: ok, on 2 or 3?
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: are we done with 2??
[13:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: Point 2, I think
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: so Term Limits!
[13:41] Fern Leissa: How about 2
[13:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, yes
[13:41] Fern Leissa: We’re all over the place lol
[13:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: CDSL 13-07: Term Limits Act
No directly elected office in the CDS Government can be held by the same citizen more than two terms in succession
Anything over 13 weeks, or half a term, constitutes a term for purposes of the term limits law.
[13:41] Mikelo Serevi: ok, I have two points about it
[13:41] Mikelo Serevi: thx guil
[13:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: Welcome ㋡
[13:42] Mikelo Serevi: one, this term we had too few candidates, so it’s not very practical to impose more limits
[13:42] Guillaume Mistwalker nods.
[13:42] Mikelo Serevi: and two, term limits are really designed to prevent a presdident from becoming dictator, but we’re more senators
[13:43] Mikelo Serevi: president
[13:43] Mikelo Serevi: I just don’t know if it’s appropirate
[13:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, and it’s not like many chancellors would want a second term ㋡
[13:43] Fern Leissa: I’m inclined to think that the best term limiting mechanism is citizens who vote you out of office
[13:44] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:44] Mikelo Serevi: well also, I think this was intended to push people out, or that was the feeling I got at this law’s passage
[13:44] Fern Leissa: Right Guillaume
[13:44] Pip Torok notices that “really designed” is an assertion expressing an opinion…
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: imo it was made so people holding an office don´t become too powerful
[13:45] Pip Torok: I propose CDSL 13-07 term limits Act be repealed
[13:45] Fern Leissa: Our problem of course is the non-participation of citizens… that is how you get tyrants unfortunatly
[13:45] Mikelo Serevi: it is my opinion, I guess
[13:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, let’s be honest… Have we ever been in danger of having a tyrant?
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: me wonders if we need 1/2 or 2/3 majority to change that
[13:46] Fern Leissa: yes…
[13:46] Mikelo Serevi: I think we have been
[13:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: We have? I think alot of people would flip if they thought that their rights were being taken away.
[13:46] Pip Torok: we have but I doubt 13-07 wd have had an effect either way
[13:47] Fern Leissa: It is always possible.. that someone could move in and restructure laws while most of us are not paying attention
[13:47] Mikelo Serevi: I’m happy to second pip, but I’d like to know how ppl feel about it
[13:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: I am in support.
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: imo the reason why this law was made was a good one
[13:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: I third the proposal.
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:48] Anna Toussaint: question?
[13:48] Pip Torok: as am I (you wont be surprised to learn:)
[13:48] Fern Leissa: I reluctantly support for the reasons yu suggest Mikelo.
[13:48] Lilith Ivory: what exactly is the text of the proposal?
[13:48] Fern Leissa: We don’t have enough people as is
[13:48] Lilith Ivory: yes Anna?
[13:48] Anna Toussaint: it applies across the board?
[13:48] Fern Leissa: It would not be in our best interest to further restrict pp
[13:48] Anna Toussaint: to RA as well as Chancellor
[13:48] Anna Toussaint: ?
[13:48] Anna Toussaint: has it been applied?
[13:48] Anna Toussaint: enforced?
[13:49] Mikelo Serevi: it doesn’t kick in yet
[13:49] Anna Toussaint: ah
[13:49] Anna Toussaint: ok
[13:49] Anna Toussaint: thnx
[13:49] Pip Torok: so … do i have a second?
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: what is the exact text?
[13:49] Fern Leissa: No directly elected office in the CDS Government
[13:49] Lilith Ivory: of the proposal
[13:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: I second
[13:50] Pip Torok: I propose CDSL 13-07 term limits Act be repealed
[13:50] Fern Leissa: That would imply that it applies to the Chancellor too
[13:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: Second.
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: ok we can vote but I still wonder how much vote we need
[13:50] Mikelo Serevi: CDSL 13-07: Term Limits Act
No directly elected office in the CDS Government can be held by the same citizen more than two terms in succession
Anything over 13 weeks, or half a term, constitutes a term for purposes of the term limits law
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: 1/2 or 2/3?
[13:50] Mikelo Serevi: very short
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: of course I can find that out later hehe
[13:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: Majority, no?
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: Idk yet
[13:51] Mikelo Serevi: it’s an act, not a constitutional amendment
[13:51] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: yes?
[13:51] Lilith Ivory: Tor?
[13:51] Tor Karlsvalt: The act may have been mistitled
[13:52] Mikelo Serevi: I can’t find any mention of term limits in the constitution
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: mistittled?
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: The bill 13-04 expressly is making a chagne to the constitution
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: it is not a law.
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: it is an article of the constitution.
[13:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: This is 13-07….
[13:52] Fern Leissa: Can we also with on this guys? Two weeks til next session to vote?
[13:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: No?
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: and it would need a 2/3s majority
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: I´d prefer that so Gwyn and Cindy can ask for 7 day vote
[13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: oh yes
[13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: i see sorry
[13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: I stand corrected
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: or come ….
[13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: ino it would jsut need a majority.
[13:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: So, this is a law or amendment?
[13:53] Pip Torok: me too Lilith
[13:53] Guillaume Mistwalker is confused
[13:53] Mikelo Serevi: this is a law, the other is an amendment
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: let´s table that also till next time so I can find out
[13:54] Lilith Ivory: and give the rest of RA a chance to vote also
[13:54] Mikelo Serevi: technically we have a second, but I’m ok with waiting to vote
[13:55] Pip Torok is agreeable to a motion that we table my motion
[13:55] Fern Leissa:
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: if you insist in voting now I´m fine with it also
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:55] Lilith Ivory: we only have 5 min left anyway
[13:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: Why not table #3, and vote now?
[13:55] Fern Leissa: Let let Mikelo get to three..
[13:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Since 5 minutes isn’t enough to discuss #3.
[13:56] Mikelo Serevi: so maybe I’ll have to take #3 to the forum and wait for next time
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: gonna table 3 anyway as we are out of time
[13:56] Fern Leissa: Then maybe we can vote on all next session …?
[13:56] Mikelo Serevi: #3 is a big one
[13:56] Fern Leissa: ok:(
[13:56] Lilith Ivory: think it´s a good idea to vote at least about 1 and 2 next time
[13:57] Fern Leissa: Tx for bringing these to our attention Mikelo
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: and see what happends with 3
[13:57] Mikelo Serevi: sure, thx for listening
[13:57] Lilith Ivory: anybody against this plan ?
[13:57] Pip Torok: no
[13:57] Fern Leissa: no
[13:57] Mikelo Serevi: it’s a good plan
[13:57] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: ok
[13:58] Lilith Ivory: do we have RA members concerns?
[13:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: None here
[13:59] Pip Torok: nor here
[13:59] Fern Leissa: not here
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: ah and before we come to announcements …
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: should we have the next meeting next sunday?
[13:59] Lilith Ivory: or in 14 days (easter sunday)
[13:59] Pip Torok: I’m agreeable
[13:59] Fern Leissa: Can’t make next sunday
[13:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Oi…
[13:59] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[14:00] Anna Toussaint: 14 days isn’t easter sunday
[14:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, next Sunday would be better ㋡
[14:00] Anna Toussaint: at least in the States
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: or saturday maybe
[14:00] Anna Toussaint:
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt:
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: sigh lol
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: nor in Germany
[14:00] Mikelo Serevi: next is better for me, or sat, yes
[14:00] Pip Torok: 9agreeable to next Sunday btw!;)
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: I´m confused hehe
[14:00] Anna Toussaint: two weeks from today is the 5th Sunday in Lent
[14:00] Fern Leissa: hehe.
[14:00] Anna Toussaint: easter is 4 weeks from today
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: my calendar told me bullshit hehe
[14:01] Guillaume Mistwalker whispers, “Anna’s an ex-minister…”
[14:01] Anna Toussaint: yes, Lil, it did
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: or is was my eyes
[14:01] Anna Toussaint: don’t blow my cover, G
[14:01] Mikelo Serevi: you’ll have to wait for chocolate bunnies, sry
[14:01] Tor Karlsvalt: that is a legal term.
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: so next sunday or in 14 day
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[14:01] Pip Torok: next sunday…
[14:01] Mikelo Serevi: Im ok with next
[14:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Atleast you haven’t been around any altar boys, Anna…!
[14:02] Lilith Ivory: as we didn´t finish our agenda I´d like next sunday also
[14:02] Fern Leissa: hehe… and you would know this how Guillaume?
[14:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Next Sunda is perfect for me
[14:02] Anna Toussaint: We presbyterians don’t have ’em, G
[14:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Good! Even better…!
[14:03] Fern Leissa: Ok. But I would request a 7 day vote. Can’t make next sunday . But ok with me
[14:03] Anna Toussaint: but we do have lady pastors
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: sounds like a mayority for next sunday hu?
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: ok Fern
[14:03] Fern Leissa: Danka
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: any announcements?
[14:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: My church had alot of different pastors…
[14:03] Anna Toussaint: I’ll alert the media, G
[14:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Anglicans
[14:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hah!
[14:04] Mikelo Serevi: haha
[14:04] Lilith Ivory: no announcements??
[14:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: My only announcement is that Floralia is just in a few months, so I hope you’re all looking for your floral decorations! ㋡
[14:05] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: oohh, ok
[14:05] Anna Toussaint: Tor and I are trying to finalize the schedule
[14:05] Anna Toussaint: we’d appreciate input
[14:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: You both are always at liberty to IM me ㋡
[14:05] Anna Toussaint: check out the cool Floralia networked kiosks
[14:06] Anna Toussaint: I no longer have to travel to each kiosk to update them
[14:06] Fern Leissa: Saw those Anna. Very nice
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: cool!
[14:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Very nice, yes ㋡
[14:06] Anna Toussaint: any suggestions for Floralia, IM Tor or me
[14:06] Fern Leissa: kk
[14:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: Especially the picture…!
[14:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: I wonder where the back-drop was
[14:07] Guillaume Mistwalker smiles.
[14:07] Anna Toussaint:
[14:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: Also, any suggestions or questions on the build, feel free to IM me
[14:08] Pip Torok: excuse me, but I’ll need to go quite soon …
[14:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: That’s all from me
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: thank you
[14:09] Fern Leissa: Thank you Lilith
[14:09] Pip Torok: motion to adjourn
[14:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Seconded.
[14:10] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: all in favour say aye please
[14:10] Pip Torok: aye
[14:10] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[14:10] Mikelo Serevi: oops
[14:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[14:10] Fern Leissa: aye

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Transcript RA Meeting April 10
by Lilith Ivory » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:12 pm
[12:00] Lilith Ivory: Hi Pip, Hi Rosie, Hi Mikelo
[12:00] Mikelo Serevi: hi
[12:00] Rosie Gray: hello everyone
[12:01] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:01] Pip Torok: hi … funny how we all appear at once!
[12:01] Mikelo Serevi: on the dot
[12:01] Pip Torok: hello Rosie!!
[12:01] Lilith Ivory: yea hehe
[12:01] Rosie Gray:
[12:01] Lilith Ivory: maybe you had a secret meeting before
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: I know you guys can´t have enough meetings
[12:02] Rosie Gray snickers quietly
[12:02] Mikelo Serevi: I was lounging at my apt
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: Hi Gui
[12:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello!
[12:02] Lilith Ivory: cool you could make it in time
[12:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes ㋡
[12:03] Pip Torok: hi Gui!
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: Fern and Gwyn can´t come today
[12:03] Pip Torok: shame
[12:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Though, excuse me a second… there are some chocolate chip cookies calling me name…
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: ggrrrrr hehe
[12:03] Lilith Ivory: now I´m jealous
[12:03] Pip Torok: … cant keepem waiting!
[12:03] Mikelo Serevi: fine, tease us
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: looks like we have a quorum already
[12:04] Pip Torok: good!
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: the agenda and some old notes I found about the issues we want to discuss are in the box
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: I did a little research and hope you did the same
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: ehhe
[12:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Back
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: wb Gui
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: agenda is in the box
[12:05] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thanks ㋡
[12:06] Lilith Ivory: let´s begin with citizens concerns
[12:06] Rosie Gray glances around
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: no concerns? all happy??
[12:07] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: Hiya Sonja
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Rosie, are you concerned about something, dear?
[12:07] Rosie Gray: Hi Sonja
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Sonja!
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: ㋡
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: great to see you
[12:07] Sonja Strom: Hi everybody!
[12:07] Mikelo Serevi: Sonja
[12:07] Sonja Strom:
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, great to see you! ㋡
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: RA members are allowed to be concerned also
[12:07] Rosie Gray: Thanks Guillaume, no I don’t actually
[12:07] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: Sonja do you have any concerns?
[12:08] Pip Torok: hi Sonja!
[12:09] Sonja Strom: No, no concerns that I want to raise, thank you.
[12:09] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: do you have any additions or chances to the agenda?
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: ok I take this for a no
[12:10] Pip Torok: cd I request making V earlier?
[12:10] Pip Torok: earlier than IV ?
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: Imo IV and V are connected so we should do iV before V
[12:11] Pip Torok: ok
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: but we can vote if you want
[12:11] Mikelo Serevi: how are they connected?
[12:11] Pip Torok: no … let it stand
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: same bills were made from the same commission at the same time
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: for me it sounds logic to talk about IV first
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: but that´s only my opinion
[12:12] Mikelo Serevi: true, they were passed around the same time
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: yup
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: and it´s in the order you gave me Mik
[12:12] Mikelo Serevi: good point
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:13] Pip Torok:
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: so do we want to start with III?
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: seems to be most easy to discuss lol
[12:13] Mikelo Serevi: I’m ok with that
[12:13] Pip Torok: ok too
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: good
[12:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ok
[12:14] Mikelo Serevi: wow, my items are the whole meeting
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: did anybody find out more about that law since we met last?
[12:14] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: you gave us a lot of work Mik
[12:14] Pip Torok: 13-07?
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: NL 9-3
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: I haven’t researched the stated reasons for it myself. I think the purposeis within the law itself
[12:16] Pip Torok: does anyone have the URL to 9-3?
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: Mikelo?
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=241
[12:16] Pip Torok: in that casse I suggest we discuss the present state of land listing
[12:16] Pip Torok: tks
[12:17] Mikelo Serevi: The last time, as I recall, we were discusing whether removing both #3s or repealing the whole thing
[12:17] Mikelo Serevi: was best
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: well, this law was made in the pre TP aera to prevent unhappy citzens to set thier land for sale for a horrible high prize
[12:18] Mikelo Serevi: pre tp?
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: The Princess Parisi
[12:18] Mikelo Serevi: ohh, lol
[12:18] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:18] Pip Torok: in that case what shall we do with it?
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: I would just let it like it is as it does not harm anybody
[12:19] Mikelo Serevi: but how is selling at a high price different from not selling?
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: it was just made to help the exec in the worst case
[12:19] Pip Torok: it seems to me that the present arrangement works(?) reasonably smoothly
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: we had a huge yellow spot on the map for a long time
[12:20] Mikelo Serevi: well, you can say that’s why it was made, but in fact the exec could invoke this arbitrarily
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: was quite good land but of course nobody wanted to buy it as it wes terrible expensive
[12:20] Mikelo Serevi: I remember the situation now
[12:20] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:20] Mikelo Serevi: I even looked at the land
[12:20] Pip Torok: but has the worst case happened/ .. and is there danger of it happening again .. I suggest it won’t
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: same here
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: My point about this is that it’s essentially statist
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: if the worst case does not happen nobody will use that law
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: meaning, a few people can decide how everything goes for everyone
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: but if it happends again we need a lot of time to create a law again
[12:21] Pip Torok: well if land is too expensive to sell .. it just lies there!! … QED probkem “solved”
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: I think it can take away our freedm to sell our own land
[12:21] Pip Torok: i’m SURE it can, mikelo
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: sure could if an exec goes crazy
[12:22] Mikelo Serevi: So it’s a bad law, thoguht the reason might have sounded good at the time
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: but don´t we all trust our government
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:22] Pip Torok: imo the price and the consequence of setting land too high or low rests squarely with the landowner
[12:22] Guillaume Mistwalker noids
[12:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: *nods
[12:23] Mikelo Serevi: the state shouldn’t have the right to take private sales away
[12:23] Pip Torok: I hear it’s known as the “market”!!
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: in the former case land sales were only used to hurt CDS
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: but I´m fine either way
[12:24] Pip Torok: ??
[12:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: Perhaps it’s me, but where does it say that, Mik?
[12:24] Mikelo Serevi: you are looking at 9-3?
[12:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes
[12:24] Pip Torok: it doesnt SAY it Gui .. thats miks opinion
[12:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see.
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: wait, what is?
[12:25] Pip Torok: what you said ….
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: the law clearly states the exec can turn off the SL land sales
[12:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: The “direct sale function” clause?
[12:25] Mikelo Serevi: under #3
[12:25] Pip Torok: Mikelo Serevi: the state shouldn’t have the right to take private sales away
[12:26] Mikelo Serevi: oh, yes, that part is my opinion
[12:26] Pip Torok: and mine too, as you will have gathered
[12:26] Guillaume Mistwalker: Has that function been disabled?
[12:26] Pip Torok: I dont think it was ever put into operation Gui …
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: I can´t remember it has been
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: as we didn´t need it so far
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: no, but it could be, the requirements have been met
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed.
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: That’s my point.
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: and hopefully we will never need it
[12:27] Pip Torok: to start with .. who can really assess the calibre of price-levels without seeing what actually sells?
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: I think a person who is misbehaving needs to be delat with directly, not by limiting everyone
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: dealt
[12:28] Guillaume Mistwalker: Give me a scenario where that’s happened.
[12:28] Guillaume Mistwalker: Please ㋡
[12:29] Pip Torok: btw was this in princess time or CLEO’s?
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: Princess time
[12:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: (Princess time?)
[12:29] Pip Torok: please Gui .. I suggest this is procrastimating
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: didn´t she have most of downtow CN for sale?
[12:30] Mikelo Serevi: Anyway, I think this is the wrong law to deal with this kind of thing anyway
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: but you need a law to deal with a misbehaving person imo
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: My concern is, how would such a central system be operated and run in such an event.
[12:30] Mikelo Serevi: lots of bad laws get passed with an enemy as the excuse
[12:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: And who would.
[12:31] Pip Torok: exactly … now the way to go … do we repeal the whole thing?
[12:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, what system are you suggesting in place of this, Pip?
[12:32] Pip Torok: My suggestion is to leave the whole function to the discretion of the Exec …
[12:32] Mikelo Serevi: Well, only #1 really applies
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: what does that mean exactly Pip?
[12:32] Pip Torok: and not to pass legislation .. simply repeal existing bad legislation
[12:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes
[12:32] Mikelo Serevi: #2 appears to refer to another law
[12:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: Isn’t your suggestion the near same as the law?
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: don´t forget english is not my first language please
[12:33] Pip Torok: no … because discretion is not binding upon the parties
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: You do quite well, lilith
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: I just want to understand exactly what Pip means
[12:34] Pip Torok: well .. the exec atm list land for sale in the Forum and sellers update this
[12:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, but isn’t the exec given discretion under this law?
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: in #1, yes
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: before, it was mainly Sudane, am I right?
[12:34] Lilith Ivory: I understand you want the exec deal with this like they want?
[12:35] Pip Torok: ppl buy and sell freely via forum and everyone is happy I believe … therefore no law needed
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: although, I see no reason why the exec couldn’t still facilitate, as he does now
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: I think we should remove the whole law, rather than leave a snippet
[12:35] Pip Torok: thats right, Lilith …
[12:35] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see this law as a temporary solution in the event someone does go off the deep end and sells all their parcels
[12:35] Lilith Ivory: I see
[12:36] Pip Torok: “if it works, don’t fix it”
[12:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: And isn’t this Law giving the Exec. discretion to do that, Pip?
[12:36] Pip Torok: i see it as a halter round our necks …
[12:36] Mikelo Serevi: yes, but next time a person might go off the deep end and do something else
[12:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: There are many things we can do when we go off the deep end, Mik ㋡
[12:37] Pip Torok: disagree .. lets deal with ACTUAL worst cases, not hypothetical ones
[12:37] Lilith Ivory: what Pip suggests might give the exec even more power to stop private land sales
[12:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: And that’s what I asked for – actual worst cases.
[12:37] Mikelo Serevi: well, repealing won’t grant that power, anyway
[12:37] Pip Torok: only if they went completely round the bend! .. and they ARE accountable to us, Lilith
[12:37] Lilith Ivory: I know that
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: I feel like you’re for repealing this law for the same reason I think it was implimented
[12:38] Mikelo Serevi: guil, I guess having someone sell their land at a really really high pricewas the worst I’ve heard
[12:38] Pip Torok: (“round the bed = insane, Lilith)
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: lol got that
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: I just wonder why you want to take that law back and give the exec the power to do it anyway
[12:38] Pip Torok: but Mik … all that wd happen is 1) the land wdnt be sold or 2) some fool wd buy the land
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[12:39] Mikelo Serevi: I agree, Pip
[12:39] Pip Torok: well that law has never been put into practice …
[12:39] Guillaume Mistwalker: We can always just change the law after he does it, but why now when there aren’t any reasons to change it?
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: I agree with you Gui
[12:40] Pip Torok: well precisely because it IS serving no useful purpose, gui
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: imo a lot of smart people were thinking about this law before it got aproved
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: you might have even been one of them Pip
[12:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, I think it having a potential purpose is better than leaving it up to the discretionof the exec
[12:40] Pip Torok: I hope not!
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: but you were in the RA at this time right ?
[12:41] Pip Torok: because we still have an insurmountable hurdle … who knows when a price is exorbitant??
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: I totally agree with you Gui
[12:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thanks ㋡
[12:42] Pip Torok: maybe … but that was then, this is now
[12:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Though, it looks like we’re at a dead-lock…
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: well, without this law, the exec won’t be granted any specifi power over land sales
[12:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Pip, things don’t change *that* fast, I think it still applies to now
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: it would be shared with the treasury, like before
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: How about the other part of it, then?
[12:43] Lilith Ivory: imo exec has some power over land sales anyway
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: I agree, Lil
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: the other thing about it that bothers me is that I think it was part of a trend to centralize power, and I really oppose that
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: some smart people maybe thought they were smarter than everyone else…
[12:44] Pip Torok: my point entirely Mik …
[12:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: Centralise the power from where, exactly?
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: I can´t even remember who was in power Jan 2009 lol
[12:44] Pip Torok: from where I see it, the exec are performing a service by informing us all of current sales
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: in the state
[12:45] Pip Torok: from the power of a buyer and seller to do their own thing, Guillaume
[12:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: There is no other body in the state that had power over land sales before the law was passed, was there?
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: I think some power needs to be held, but not over things like private land sales
[12:46] Pip Torok: no Gui …
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: I think unowned parcels were dealt with by the treasury
[12:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, I don’t think that that right is abridged yet or would be without reason.
[12:46] Pip Torok: ??
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: The law doesn’t say that
[12:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: The right for a buyer to buy or a seller to sell.
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: it just says it can be enacted
[12:46] Pip Torok: I didnt understand, Guillaume
[12:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: Exactly.
[12:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: Enacted, within reason
[12:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: The Exec. would act as a mediator
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: Once you have the power, you can give any reason you like
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: or no reason
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: and imo the RA has to give allowance to do so
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: well, this law says nothing about opinion, it just grants powe
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: r
[12:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, the Exec already has the power, but he hasn’t had the reason to use it
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: I’m not saying I distrust tor
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: I just think this is to much power
[12:48] Pip Torok: exactly … and so the whole law is redundant and should be repealed
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: what if this law were passed in RL?
[12:48] Guillaume Mistwalker: Nor am I, but let’s be real and not work on the hypothetical, as you said
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: I have to sell my house through the govt?
[12:49] Pip Torok: I hope not, Mik!
[12:49] Guillaume Mistwalker: Obviously, many would have qualms with this in RL, but this isn’t RL
[12:49] Pip Torok: but the intrusion wd apply equally in sl as it wd do in RL …
[12:49] Mikelo Serevi: I don’t see the difference here
[12:49] Long Range: danialthomas44 Resident [43m] [12:49] Guillaume Mistwalker: We must repond to parcels being sold — working with your example — at high prices
[12:49] Guillaume Mistwalker: Do I hear…
[12:50] Pip Torok: must respond???? how??
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: Arabic music?
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: someone was playing it in voice, gone now
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah.
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: lol
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha ㋡
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: did he leave or was he kicked?
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: Leave, I think
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: I sort of liked it. ㋡
[12:50] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: But, Pip, if we didn’t respond to high prices, then the parcel would mostlikely not sell
[12:51] Pip Torok: anyway Guillaume .. WHY must we respond?
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: want me to put my arabic music stram here?
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: Is that good for ANY PARTY?
[12:51] Pip Torok: exactly and so the situation wd correct itself via a non-sale
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: *meant to capitalise the “any”
[12:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, but obviously the seller wanted to let go of their financial obligation on that parcel whilst gaining money
[12:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: The buyer wants to buy
[12:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: And we generally want tiers being paid
[12:52] Pip Torok: “obviously” … i dont get “obviously”
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: this person was also not paying tier, but Tor’s law closed that hole
[12:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: High prices lower the chances of a parcel being bought
[12:53] Pip Torok: yes … but tiers are fixed on the onset of occupartion
[12:53] Guillaume Mistwalker: That’s good
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: at the time, it appeared she was just trying to make the place look bad
[12:53] Pip Torok: so what guillaume … thats the concern of seller and buyer …
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: but because someone is doing that in CN, I can’t sell in AM?
[12:54] Guillaume Mistwalker: And I argue that any democratic government has a right to look out for its interests of the state as well
[12:54] Guillaume Mistwalker: If you want, I would argue a small revision of the act, then.
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: it does yes, without infringing on personal freedoms
[12:55] Mikelo Serevi: but this is quite an intrusion
[12:55] Pip Torok: and my argument is that a democratic government shd realise what is the citizens concern alone, and what neeeds wider involvement
[12:55] Guillaume Mistwalker: Have the Exec. act as mediator in certain cases to promote the transfer of parcels
[12:55] Mikelo Serevi: wouldn’t the exec do that anyway?
[12:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, but by the means of this central system on a case-by-case system

[12:56] Pip Torok: no … imo that wd be an intrusion upon citizens activities…
[12:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Therefore, if I was selling for alot of money, then Mik’s or Pip’s sale wouldn’t be hindered
[12:56] Pip Torok: imo buying/selling is selfregulating
[12:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: It would be an intrusion within reason
[12:57] Mikelo Serevi: I don’t think there could be a law to cover all cases
[12:57] Pip Torok: i dont think one sale wd affect another sale
[12:57] Mikelo Serevi: someone would just look at the law and find a way to toe it
[12:57] Guillaume Mistwalker: If there’s any other qualms, have the money that’s raised go to the seller (which, I don’t think the law specifies…)
[12:58] Pip Torok: DISAGREE
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: anyway, I think this “reason” for the law is an excuse to take that power away froom everyone
[12:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: Disagree?
[12:58] Pip Torok: money is _private_ to either party
[12:58] Pip Torok: imo
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: So, you don’t want the money that the buyer pays to the government for one’s parcel go to the one who sells the parcel?
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: also, the current system, while not perfect, is well understood
[12:59] Pip Torok: i want the government to be totally uninvolved i private sales, period
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: but why should the govt be involved?
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, which hinders the system that sets up by this bill, which makes its power limited.
[13:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: To preserve the integrity of the sims
[13:00] Pip Torok: so scrap the bill, guillaume … is there a problem with that?
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: What’s next? wiretapping laws?
[13:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: If I sell very high and sell all my parcels, what does that show about us?
[13:00] Mikelo Serevi: for the good of ther state, of course
[13:00] Guillaume Mistwalker: For the good of the Democracy, Mik
[13:00] Pip Torok: it shows that we are an interesting sim, guillaume!
[13:01] Mikelo Serevi: so you would support wiretapping?
[13:01] Mikelo Serevi: if I said it was for democracy?
[13:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: It shows that we’re selling a small parcel for a large sum of money
[13:01] Sonja Strom giggles
[13:01] Guillaume Mistwalker: Do you want my honest opinion, Mik?
[13:01] Mikelo Serevi: you weren’t giving it before?
[13:02] Pip Torok: Guillaume in SL and RL ppl are FREE to buy or sell at any agreed price … just what is the problem with that?
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: No, I just wasn’t sure if I should or not
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: why not?
[13:02] Guillaume Mistwalker: I think that a government, whose legitimacy is found on the democratic will of the people, has the right to protect the security and integrity of the same people it finds its legitimacy from
[13:03] Mikelo Serevi: by limiting their freedom?
[13:03] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, having known people who work for NSA, they only wiretap people for whom fit their suspicions
[13:04] Mikelo Serevi: well, so they say, but they would
[13:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: I don’t agree with those whom they suspect, but I agree with the principle
[13:04] Pip Torok: yes and the protection resides in the noninvolvement of that government in the private affairs of its citizens
[13:04] Sonja Strom: who they suspect… this can be an issue.
[13:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: Which is my issue, too, Sonja
[13:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: The princple, no.
[13:04] Mikelo Serevi: there’s a line, where no one should intrude
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: the reason I brought it up is because it’s the same kind of insinuation into people’s lives
[13:05] Sonja Strom begins to wonder about the others in this room (only kidding)
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: govts that have done this are not good ones
[13:06] Mikelo Serevi: we’re really talking about communal land sales
[13:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: To who’s perception?
[13:06] Pip Torok: I propose that NL 9-3 be repealed
[13:06] Mikelo Serevi: mandatory communal land sales
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: I second
[13:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Actually, I was talking about the governments comment.
[13:07] Pip Torok: may I respectfully suggest we move to a vote?
[13:07] Pip Torok: weve gone round in circles here…
[13:08] Lilith Ivory: well let´s vote than or do we need more discussion?
[13:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: I’m good to vote
[13:08] Pip Torok: lets vote
[13:08] Mikelo Serevi: yes
[13:08] Lilith Ivory: anybody in favour for repealing NL 9-3 say aye please
[13:08] Pip Torok: aye
[13:08] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:09] Lilith Ivory: Gui?
[13:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hm…
[13:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye.
[13:10] Lilith Ivory: nay
[13:10] Mikelo Serevi has a heart attack
[13:10] Lilith Ivory: we might have to wait for our 7 day votes to see the result
[13:10] Pip Torok revives him
[13:10] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: guil really knows how to keep suspense
[13:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, I also know how to be indecisive ㋡
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: thinking is a good thing
[13:11] Pip Torok: well we certainly had a debate!! )
[13:11] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:11] Lilith Ivory likes debates
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: well, the other item should be easy
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: ya think so?
[13:12] Pip Torok: (famous last words ….
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: er
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Term limits, yes, I think
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: ok let´s move forward to IV than
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Factions, no…
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: true, yes
[13:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: I don’t think that the law makes sense anymore
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: why not?
[13:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Afterall, last election we didn’t have enough candidates
[13:13] Mikelo Serevi: of, so the term limit act
[13:13] Mikelo Serevi: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=422
[13:13] Pip Torok: 13-07 was introduced to stop ppl becoming near-permanent fixtures in a position …
[13:13] Mikelo Serevi: Yes, that was one objection to it
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: maybe we should split terms for being chancelor and for RA members
[13:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, there are 7 of us and one chancellor…
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: I see that we have a problem to get enough RA candidates
[13:14] Pip Torok: but when you think of it … when there are not enough ppl , when there are too few incomers … when there is apathy …
[13:14] Guillaume Mistwalker: So, next election, we will just have 8 candidates…
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: but with Chancellor it´s different
[13:14] Pip Torok: what then?
[13:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: We need to either amend the time period or repeal
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: somehow I wonder wether we only need 5 RA candidates next term
[13:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, we do have two RA members who haven’t shown their faces in some time…
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: I think we should treat Chancellor and RA different
[13:16] Pip Torok: we do dont we?
[13:16] Mikelo Serevi: the time period seems to fit anything over a certain length
[13:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: Chancellor should remain the same, but RA shouldn’t?
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: yes as chancellor sure has a lot of power …
[13:16] Mikelo Serevi: well, I think it’s more likely that a chancellor could be a dictator
[13:16] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: whie we have problems to find enough RA candidates at the moment
[13:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: did you read Gwyns note I included in the box?
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: we have actually had that problem with chancellors as well
[13:17] Pip Torok: yes but the chancellor can always be thrown out … and so cant become dictatorial
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: she said a lot of smart things about that
[13:17] Pip Torok: yes and its now history QED
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi: I agree, Pip
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: Hiya Alexia
[13:18] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Alexia ㋡
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi: or they couldn’t become a dictator without help from the RA
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi: but in that case, we’re screwed anyway
[13:18] Pip Torok: with that “help” we neednt hinder!
[13:20] Mikelo Serevi: reading the notecard
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: hope it´s the right one lol
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: had a hard time to find that info
[13:20] Pip Torok: so … Term limits … imo in the present paucity of citizens and change, imo its become a deadletter
[13:20] Mikelo Serevi: so this was mainly passed because some people thought the same people were in power
[13:21] Pip Torok: yes … and it was totally redundant imo because ppl CAN ALWAYS BE VOTED OUT
[13:21] Mikelo Serevi: I think apathy may have had as much to do with that as anything
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: wasn´t you against concentration of power before?
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: if we take this law back we have exactly this case lol
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: well, the RA is re-elected, or not
[13:22] Pip Torok: me? or mik?
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: accountable
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: whoever said that
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: I’m against the concentration of power, yes
[13:23] Mikelo Serevi: but not against some people being elected to hold it
[13:23] Pip Torok: yes me too but i have trust in the constitution to prevent it
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: and having term limits for the Chnacellor might encourage other citizens to run
[13:23] Mikelo Serevi: there will always be power, it’s how to fairly apply it
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: Not that I mind having Tor as Chancellor forever ,-)
[13:24] Mikelo Serevi: he’s doing well, yes
[13:24] Pip Torok: imo the system is selfcorrecting … if a chancellor has too much power … then he/she will be callenged every 6 months
[13:24] Pip Torok: (or is it 12 months?)
[13:25] Mikelo Serevi: should be 6
[13:25] Mikelo Serevi: same as for the RA
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: wasn´t it 12?
[13:25] Pip Torok: how stands the law atm?
[13:25] Lilith Ivory blushes
[13:25] Pip Torok: if its 12 then I wd have opposed it
[13:25] Mikelo Serevi: 12 was the limit
[13:25] Mikelo Serevi: 2 terms, then at least one out
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: yes think so too
[13:26] Pip Torok: well in this term as it happens we’re lucky … I hope it lasts …
[13:26] Lilith Ivory: looking at our situation now I´d go for keeping thae law for chancellor election and taking it back for RA
[13:26] Mikelo Serevi: it’s not a job just anyone can do, we’ve been pretty lucky so far
[13:27] Mikelo Serevi: I’ve been on the fence about that, Lilith, but my stance is to just repeal
[13:28] Pip Torok wd be unhappy if the law became unuqually applied to two bodies
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: there are big differences between RA and exec anyway
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: so why not split this law
[13:28] Lilith Ivory is building golden bridges
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: ehhe
[13:29] Pip Torok: itll be one law for one body, another for a second … divisive!
[13:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: I agree with Lil
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: this law already is not for all our bodies
[13:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: We have more candidates for Chancellor than the RA
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: think about SC
[13:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed
[13:31] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, we do have it divded in the USA already
[13:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Mik
[13:31] Mikelo Serevi: although I would be first to say I don’t think the CDS should emulate the USA
[13:31] Pip Torok is unhappy to tinker with forethought at the foundations of our Constitution
[13:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, same
[13:31] Pip Torok: … without forethought
[13:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: We aren’t tinkering, we’re having to meet the current needs
[13:32] Pip Torok: when that happens, decisions are made “on the fly” often very bad ones
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: didn´t you say the past does not matter anymore ?
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: Of course, if the factions bill is repealed, this will all be moot anyway
[13:33] Pip Torok: “if if’s and and’s were pots and pans ….”
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: yes
[13:34] Lilith Ivory is going to fight like a lioness for keeping the faction bill ;_)
[13:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: Let’snot get ahea of ouselves…
[13:34] Mikelo Serevi: well, we could change the law to say the Chancellor, although it was worded to include any elected person
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: we should change the words
[13:35] Pip Torok: meanwhile, Ladies and Gentlemen we still have Term Limits to talk about .. or have we finished?
[13:35] Mikelo Serevi: so it would be out of date if a new office were created or brought on as an elected position
[13:35] Mikelo Serevi: that is, if we specified only the chancellor
[13:36] Lilith Ivory: if a new office would be created we would have to decide about election rules anyway
[13:36] Mikelo Serevi: yes, true
[13:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: I propose we amend CDSL 13-07 to read “No elected office of the Executive branch in the CDS Government can be held by the same citizen more than two terms in succession
Anything over 13 weeks, or half a term, constitutes a term for purposes of the term limits la”
[13:36] Pip Torok: exactly … and we havent even defined this “new office”
[13:37] Mikelo Serevi: true pip, just thinking ahead
[13:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: …Adding a W to the end of “law” too ㋡
[13:37] Lilith Ivory: and motion and second to Guis proposal?
[13:37] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, interesting
[13:38] Mikelo Serevi: I might be on board with this
[13:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, if you are, can you second please?
[13:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: ㋡
[13:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hehe
[13:38] Mikelo Serevi: I was waiting for Pip to chime in
[13:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, yes
[13:38] Lilith Ivory wonders wether Ms LRA can second herself lol
[13:39] Guillaume Mistwalker: I think you can
[13:39] Pip Torok: only with a very small drafting amendment: substitute “same citizen FOR more” … etc
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: sounds good to me
[13:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: I propose we amend CDSL 13-07 to read “No elected office of the Executive branch in the CDS Government can be held by the same citizen for more than two terms in succession
Anything over 13 weeks, or half a term, constitutes a term for purposes of the term limits law”
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: so with a ‘w’ and for
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: second
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: all in favour for this proposal say aye please
[13:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[13:41] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:41] Pip Torok: well if this passes then I wonder how long we the RA will continue …
[13:41] Pip Torok: nay
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: again we have to wait for 7 day votes
[13:41] Mikelo Serevi: ok
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: and I don´t see why you are concerned about the RA Pip
[13:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Now, for the moment we’ve all been waiting for…!
[13:42] Pip Torok: (sorry for not seeing that voting had already started, madame LRA)
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: only a few minutes left
[13:42] Sonja Strom: Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy!!!
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: unfortunately I have to leave in time today
[13:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: Shall we table the amendment?
[13:42] Mikelo Serevi: 15 min
[13:42] Mikelo Serevi: could we meet next week?
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: we can do that
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: hopefully with Cindy and Gwyn lol
[13:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, I think that the amendment… will be a heavy discussion
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: I think so also
[13:43] Mikelo Serevi: I think the 30 min scheduled was optimistic anyway
[13:43] Lilith Ivory: sure we won´t make it in 15 minutes
[13:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hehe
[13:43] Pip Torok: well we certainly need their vote and input imo
[13:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes
[13:43] Mikelo Serevi: or if we did, we wouldn’t be doing our jobs
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: I agree with you on that Pip
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: right Mik
[13:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: Member concerns?
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: Announcements?
[13:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: None here
[13:45] Pip Torok: nor from here
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: some fun story to tell??
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:45] Guillaume Mistwalker laughs
[13:45] Mikelo Serevi: we are the story in this place
[13:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: Good answer, Mik…!
[13:45] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:45] Mikelo Serevi: often funny
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: was a quite entertaining meeting today
[13:46] Pip Torok: “A funny thing happened to me on my way to the Forum” …
[13:46] Sonja Strom: “There was once a man whose son’s asked him to tell them a story.”
[13:46] Mikelo Serevi: lol
[13:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: welcome Aurel
[13:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: Move to adjourn, Mme LRA?
[13:46] Sonja Strom: “So, he said, ‘There was once a man whose son’s asked him to tell them a story.”
[13:46] Pip Torok: secoded
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: yes
[13:46] Pip Torok: seconded
[13:46] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello, Aurel!
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: anybody in favour say aye please
[13:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: And Poof…
[13:47] Pip Torok: aye
[13:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[13:47] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: first time we think alike today hehe
[13:47] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha
[13:47] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:47] Sonja Strom: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[13:47] Mikelo Serevi: I don’t know, this has been a pretty good RA overall

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Transcript RA Meeting May 1
by Lilith Ivory » Sun May 01, 2011 2:38 pm
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: think we can start now
[12:04] Pip Torok: hi Soro
[12:04] Guillaume Mistwalker: ㋡
[12:04] Soro Dagostino: Hello Fern.
[12:04] Lilith Ivory: the agenda is in the box on the table
[12:04] Soro Dagostino: Pip — good day.
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: do we have any citizens concerns?
[12:05] Rosie Gray raises hand
[12:05] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[12:05] Lilith Ivory: yes Rosie?
[12:06] Rosie Gray: I was wondering about all of the unused classrooms above NFS, and all of the prims used there
[12:06] Guillaume Mistwalker: 246 prims.
[12:06] Rosie Gray: seems to me that those classrooms aren’t used anymore, and the prims could be put to better use elsewhere
[12:06] Rosie Gray: and,
[12:06] Rosie Gray: not to put too fine a point on it
[12:06] Mikelo Serevi: /is impressed Guil knew that off the top of his head
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: (I was talking to Tor about it earlier ㋡ )
[12:07] Rosie Gray: it rather irritates me that I have to pay for little prim allotments, extra
[12:07] Lilith Ivory: haven´t those prims to do with the GMP?
[12:07] Rosie Gray: so that I can have enough prims to actually do anythin on my little lots on NFS
[12:07] Rosie Gray: when they are sitting there
[12:07] Rosie Gray: finished!
[12:07] Guillaume Mistwalker: Some, but most are seats, chairs, tables and parts of the buildings of the classrooms.
[12:08] Lilith Ivory: hmmm …
[12:08] Guillaume Mistwalker: I just talked to Tor earlier today about getting rid of them and IM’d Moon
[12:09] Lilith Ivory: yea seems like a good idea to contact the guild
[12:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: 246 prims alot when the parcel is meant to have some 600, I believe.
[12:09] Rosie Gray: the chairs themselves take up quite a bit
[12:09] Rosie Gray: old-build chairs
[12:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, some 8 or 9 prims each
[12:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: And one class room is entirely empty and one is not in use, just has chairs and a table with snapshots.
[12:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: One, however, contains the GMP
[12:10] Rosie Gray nods
[12:10] Guillaume Mistwalker: I’m going to be building a new one and presenting it to the Guild for their consideration
[12:10] Pip Torok: is it practical to move them into an inventory somewhere?
[12:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, perhaps the CA, Pip?
[12:11] Pip Torok: after all NFS prims are in short supply
[12:11] Lilith Ivory: imo the owner should be contacted
[12:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Very much so, yes.
[12:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: I will be contacting Sudane, Brian and Sleazy later
[12:11] Pip Torok: but on condition that they can be reinstated quickly of course
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: ooh does sleazy own some of the items?
[12:12] Rosie Gray: if they are ever required
[12:12] Rosie Gray doubts they will be required
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: he does not seem to be inworld any longer
[12:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, she owns the classroom with the GMP
[12:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Or, he, rather ㋡
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: it´s a he
[12:12] Pip Torok: items in the church are sleazys 9or at least some)
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: very nice guy
[12:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Shame…!
[12:13] Pip Torok wonders if he’ll ever meet Sleazy …
[12:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Excuse me for a few minutes…
[12:13] Rosie Gray has never even heard of Sleazy
[12:13] Lilith Ivory: he left winter 2007/08
[12:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: There’s a nice carton of my favourite ice cream in the fridge…
[12:13] Fern Leissa: Wow.. long time gone
[12:13] Lilith Ivory giggles
[12:13] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: any other citizens concerns?
[12:14] Soro Dagostino: Is he a landowner in CDS?
[12:14] Soro Dagostino: Yes
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: not that I mind chatting about sleazy ;-9
[12:14] Pip Torok: not that i know of, Soro
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: sleazy? not any more
[12:14] Lilith Ivory: what do you have Sorro?
[12:15] Soro Dagostino: I have a concern about the return of factions without a vote of the people.
[12:15] Lilith Ivory: I am concerned about that also
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: I wish there had been a disscission on the forum in the meantime
[12:16] Soro Dagostino: While I am opposed to that, its up to the voters.
[12:16] Mikelo Serevi: Well, was it decided to remove factions by referendum?
[12:17] Lilith Ivory: nothing has been decided so far
[12:17] Pip Torok: Soro … we’re still at a discussion phase right now … in tractice i would hold out for a referendum on this matter if we ever get that far
[12:17] Soro Dagostino: I have expressed my concern.
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: thank you Sorro
[12:18] Pip Torok: no mikelo because the issue of referendums came later
[12:18] Soro Dagostino: I think Ra would be remiss if it took that decision away from the people.
[12:18] Fern Leissa: I think Mikelo’s question Lilith was whether or not the decision to make membership in factions optional was by refereudum
[12:18] Fern Leissa: It’ wasn’t I think ???
[12:18] Mikelo Serevi:
[12:18] Fern Leissa: But I’m in agreement with Soro… I think we need to determine voter preference
[12:19] Pip Torok: quite so Soro, tho its a hypothesis at this stage
[12:19] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ethically, I am prompted to agree with Soro
[12:19] Fern Leissa: As I said on the forum… I like factions but I have no idea what other citizens want
[12:19] Mikelo Serevi: It is an interesting idea
[12:19] Soro Dagostino: Pip, nothing arouind here is a hypothetical.
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: that´s what Mikelo wrote in the note he gave me:
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: 3. Discuss repealing Jamie’s (apparently not documented in the code, though the constitutional amendment was enacted) Amendment to make factions optional
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: nothing been said about a referendum or not
[12:19] Pip Torok: ok .. Soro, whatever you say!
[12:20] Pip Torok: hi Tor
[12:20] Rosie Gray: hello Tor
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: I don´t mind factions also but those are stillok with that law anyway
[12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: hello all
[12:20] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello, Herr Chancellor ㋡
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: Hi Tor
[12:21] Fern Leissa: I think Soro is trying right in trying to figure out what citizens want. A referendum is just one way to do that
[12:21] Pip Torok regrets he didnt add to the Forum discussion on factions
[12:21] Fern Leissa: Hi Tor
[12:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: I think the lack of factions is dangerous to the political stability of the CDS
[12:21] Mikelo Serevi: I agree
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: you are still free to found a new one
[12:21] Guillaume Mistwalker: But, we have a duty to the people
[12:22] Pip Torok: yes but they wont be absent whenever a candidate declares himself as a memeber of a faction
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: I´m concerned that there seemed to be no action from the existing factions also
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: so I wonder why they are so important to you
[12:22] Mikelo Serevi: Making factions optional made them irrelevant
[12:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: Indeed, Mik
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: tha´t waht you think
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: I disagree
[12:22] Tor Karlsvalt: I don’t think so
[12:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: It’s an identification for the voter
[12:22] Guillaume Mistwalker: An aid, for the voter.
[12:23] Mikelo Serevi: anyone can run for anything, effectively blurring the lines
[12:23] Pip Torok: well to start with they frame a set of principles and RA members can be held accountable to those principles
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: the voter can still vote for people being in a faction
[12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: Question
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: and candidates can show to which faction they belong
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: yes Tor?
[12:23] Tor Karlsvalt: Are the platformes of the existing factions very different. I don’t recolect that they are
[12:24] Tor Karlsvalt: both were for expansion for instance
[12:24] Mikelo Serevi: some issues are easy to agree on
[12:24] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, but it’s an aid for candidates to identify themselves with, and by making them optional it has damaged the electorate’s ability to indentify the sound candidates that want.
[12:24] Pip Torok: well they are certainly broad, Tor .. and possibly “wishy-washy ” … but thats not the point
[12:24] Mikelo Serevi: but I think they stood for different things
[12:25] Pip Torok: the point is they can stand for very spefific sets of policies if need be
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: in fact I´m way disappointed I got no proposals from the factions so far
[12:25] Fern Leissa: I agree w/ Guillaume
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Well if they don’t stand for something then they are only ways for a few leaders to control who sits on RA
[12:25] Guillaume Mistwalker: Factions disagree just as much as individuals agree. Pip and I are of the same faction, but we surely don’t agree all the time
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Tor
[12:26] Pip Torok: yes Tor … but they do (ill set you a set of the DPU’s)
[12:26] Soro Dagostino: What of the independent voter?
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: ok in the past, correct me ifI am worng
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Factions have lead to bitter disputes
[12:26] Pip Torok: thats GUI … DPU is a “broad church”//…
[12:26] Soro Dagostino: You are forcing them to join a group.
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: the way DPU acted during the last few elections was not democratic at all. It is NOT not acceptable to have only one or two candidates on the list but present more after the elections.
[12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: people have been seated and neve stood for election
[12:26] Mikelo Serevi: independent voters can create their own faction
[12:26] Pip Torok: 9meant to say thats right, guillaume)
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: right Tor
[12:27] Soro Dagostino: Whe do they need to?
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: The facton system, from an american pov is undemocratic
[12:27] Soro Dagostino: Are they not citizens.
[12:27] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, but people even who are independent, no?
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: we only have two factions at the moment anyway and both seem to be asleep
[12:27] Fern Leissa: heh
[12:27] Mikelo Serevi: You’re saying political parties are undemocratic?
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[12:27] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:28] Guillaume Mistwalker smiles at Mik
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: there have been no public faction meetings at all this term right?
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: when you vote for an individual no
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: the way DPU handles elections is undemocratic for sure
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: butour faction system allowed for unelected people to sit on FA
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: RA
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: I don’t see that at all
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: now you’re just making things up
[12:28] Mikelo Serevi: The argument to drop mandatory factions for candidates was that they were essentially contentious
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: fact of live Mikelo
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: I want at least to know which people are in a faction I vote for
[12:29] Fern Leissa: There has not been a need for public faction meeting cuz they have no public function as “optional”.
[12:29] Mikelo Serevi: As if somehow they were removed, everything would be lovely
[12:29] Pip Torok: imo the problem for both factions has been that the matters the ra has found itself coping with dont have bearing upon their respective platforms
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Candidates can still align with factions
[12:29] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye, Pip
[12:29] Fern Leissa: We are all sitting here “unelected” because not enough pp ran. That was not under the faction system
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: exactly Tor
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: people can still use them as a guide
[12:29] Mikelo Serevi: I don’t think dropping factions has made everyone get along better
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ahem!
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: I’m sitting here elected!
[12:30] Mikelo Serevi: true guil
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: and it´s the facion leaders themself that made them irrelevant
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: to use your words Mik
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: only because G that there was no faction system
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: Not exactly
[12:30] Fern Leissa: True Guillaume. Just you though
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[12:30] Pip Torok: me too but they are very few voters nonetheless
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: How?
[12:30] Guillaume Mistwalker: I’m a mamber of a faction
[12:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: Whew, member.
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: in the past you would have been appt by the faction who owned your seat, I beleive
[12:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, but that system’s changed
[12:31] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, but you are arguing to return to that system
[12:31] Guillaume Mistwalker: I don’t believe that revoking this amendment will require it of us to return to that
[12:31] Pip Torok: thats right Tor and thats why personally i favour voting for ra members … but
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: it scares me that a faction leader can apoint anybody he likes as RA member
[12:32] Mikelo Serevi: thats only under special circumstances
[12:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: Surely we can amend the constitution again, no?
[12:32] Fern Leissa: But that faction won the most votes. Theoretically. So I don’t find that so strange
[12:32] Pip Torok: when the ra members shows he belongs to a faction, then the voter knows the principles to which that candidate holds
[12:32] Soro Dagostino: With a vote of people.
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: we had those circumstances past every election for a very long time
[12:32] Guillaume Mistwalker: If we do return to that system before, we ought to provide voting lists.
[12:32] Mikelo Serevi: Right Pip
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I find that undemocratic
[12:32] Tor Karlsvalt: also complicated
[12:33] Tor Karlsvalt: gives us the look of an autocracy
[12:33] Guillaume Mistwalker: What? PR voting?
[12:33] Fern Leissa: But I would like to hear from more citizens. Really.
[12:33] Soro Dagostino: Old boy/girl school
[12:33] Tor Karlsvalt: appointing members
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: I think this is all theory anyway, the reason factions were removed was not for any of these reasons
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: I believe factions were taken away to make the CDS more of a two-party system
[12:33] Fern Leissa: Go on Mikelo
[12:33] Tor Karlsvalt: in my country this lends itself to the backroom deals that reformers have compainged against for over a century
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: allowing a minority group to get more power than they had before
[12:33] Mikelo Serevi: Seed…
[12:34] Pip Torok questions the appearance of autocracy when there is nothing to stop any citizen from standing
[12:34] Lilith Ivory raises an eyebrow
[12:34] Mikelo Serevi: they were taken away to muddy the water
[12:34] Guillaume Mistwalker: And muddied it too much, Mik
[12:34] Pip Torok: i dont see that, Mikelo … muddy waters?
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: because proportional representation went away at the same time
[12:35] Guillaume Mistwalker: Aye.
[12:35] Lilith Ivory: I have no iodea what you are talking about
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: so we vote for people without knowing what they stand for
[12:35] Guillaume Mistwalker: We need a new PR system
[12:35] Pip Torok: went away?
[12:35] Fern Leissa: PR system Guillaume?
[12:35] Lilith Ivory: lol your faction programms don´t say anything also
[12:35] Mikelo Serevi: part of the the change removed that aspect of our election system
[12:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: Proportional Representation, Fern
[12:36] Fern Leissa: tx guys
[12:36] Lilith Ivory: if you know a person you should know what he/she stands for
[12:36] Mikelo Serevi: Sorry Pip, I meant, with individuals running, voters were bound to be confused
[12:36] Guillaume Mistwalker: But some don’t
[12:37] Pip Torok: I beg to differ, Mikelo … in general CDS citizens are not confused by that
[12:37] Guillaume Mistwalker: And whilst factions may not say much, they give abstract ideas that many can relate to
[12:37] Pip Torok: exactly, Guillaume
[12:37] Tor Karlsvalt: but the factions still exist
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: they can still put their plan forward
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Because, of course, in parliament, you can not be called to sit on your platform all the time. There will be things that arise that are not on the platform
[12:38] Pip Torok: the bonus being that a voter can see where a candidate whos in a faction is “coming from”
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Or, not expressly on the platform
[12:38] Fern Leissa: agree with Pip
[12:38] Tor Karlsvalt: they can still do that Pip
[12:38] Guillaume Mistwalker: Yes, but the factions are not as strong, Tor
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: only because apparently the ppl don’t want them to be strong
[12:39] Guillaume Mistwalker: It would be much better if humans weren’t so divisive, but sadly- we are.
[12:39] Pip Torok: and more importantly they can be held to account on the basis of a factions principles, Tor
[12:39] Guillaume Mistwalker: We need factions,because they are our human nature.
[12:39] Tor Karlsvalt: But making them chartered institutions with rights to seat members will make them strong and undemocratic
[12:39] Guillaume Mistwalker: Precisely, Pip
[12:39] Mikelo Serevi: Well also, proportional representation allows everyone to have a voice
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: if people would want to have the faction system back why don´t they vote for faction members only?
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I am not a philosopher
[12:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: No, because they are elected at the behest of the people, Tor
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I don’t know human nature
[12:40] Soro Dagostino: Not the independents
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: They can still to that G
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: and we DO still have factions
[12:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: Factions are elected at due to elections
[12:40] Tor Karlsvalt: but they are not stron because noone MUST vote for one
[12:40] Pip Torok: ah but they are NOT chartered instittutions under the present system .. unlike the old system
[12:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: PR voting sees to it that parties have lists
[12:41] Pip Torok: they are PRICIPALLED tor … by definition
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: also we have problems to find enough candidates willing to run anyway
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: you are aguing that a few factions be enshrined as charterd by the SC
[12:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: If we need to add an amendment that says we want factions to have lists, then so be it
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: why taking this possibility away from more citizens
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: no Pip
[12:41] Tor Karlsvalt: If you believe that you have not been to Chicago
[12:41] Soro Dagostino: I have no objections to factions as parties
[12:41] Soro Dagostino: Endorsing candidates.
[12:41] Soro Dagostino: But not dictating who is to run.
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree Soro
[12:42] Pip Torok: when a faction has a platform … they are its principles, no?
[12:42] Lilith Ivory nods
[12:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: I disagree
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: If they are not strong now, it is because they have not been doing work.
[12:42] Mikelo Serevi: I dont think factions ever dicated who was to run, we decided it internally
[12:42] Guillaume Mistwalker: If you vote the way of the party, then you wouldn’t care who was sitting on the bench
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Mik, think about what you just said
[12:42] Fern Leissa: Agree w/ Mikelo. Who was willing to serve would also be more how I’d put it
[12:42] Pip Torok: but strength isnt the point Tor, consistency of principle is …
[12:43] Soro Dagostino: How is “internally” not dictating who can run?
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: factions can still do that
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: nothing stops tha
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: Because no one is dictating.
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: well, teh person does have to be voted for…
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: this is about controlling who sits on RA
[12:43] Soro Dagostino: The faction is.
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: The party that was elected by the people decides amongst themselves. I see no wrong about that.
[12:43] Mikelo Serevi: parties just choose their candidates
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Well G I do
[12:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: I see no reason, then
[12:43] Tor Karlsvalt: the ppl don’t need an arbiter
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: I recall voting for people, not factions
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: the difference was, I knew what someone stood for
[12:44] Fern Leissa: agree Mikelo.
[12:44] Guillaume Mistwalker: If the people don’t need one, Tor, then why are there courts or this legislature?
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: there are meet the candidates event you can find out now also
[12:44] Pip Torok: with respect, I think people shd stand as individuals but can be endorsed FWIW by the factions
[12:44] Mikelo Serevi: and with proportional representation taken out, our democracy has been partly dismantled
[12:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: Government is the inclusive body of people that mediates amongst all
[12:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: Atleast, this and most democratic governments are.
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: you only need 3 to form a faction, I don’t see this as a big obstacle
[12:45] Pip Torok: PR taken out??? how do you come by that conclusion, Mikelo?
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: i think you needed 10
[12:45] Guillaume Mistwalker: I feel it has, Pip
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: It’s part of the constitutional amendment
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: not sure tho
[12:45] Fern Leissa: He means if we don’t have factions Pip
[12:45] Mikelo Serevi: no more borda
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: it was kind of stuck in there
[12:46] Pip Torok: well Mikelo, I’d be interested in how you feel that way …
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2630
[12:46] Mikelo Serevi: this is the proposal that was enacted
[12:47] Pip Torok: well in one sense we’ll _always_ have factions because we have groups and our TOS protexcts groups …
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: you’ll note the parts about proportional representations have been removed
[12:47] Pip Torok: can you give me indications of the omissions, mikelo?
[12:47] Mikelo Serevi: they are in orange
[12:48] Pip Torok: give me the URL and ill look at them
[12:48] Mikelo Serevi: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2630
[12:49] Pip Torok: in the meantime I’ll believe till shown otherwise that PR is still very much in force
[12:49] Pip Torok: tu
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: I don’t see how.
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: We don’t vote by party any longer, but by preference, no?
[12:50] Guillaume Mistwalker: It’s a rank vote, no?
[12:51] Mikelo Serevi: yes
[12:51] Pip Torok: yes and rank vote IS PR, do you agree?
[12:51] Soro Dagostino: It seems to me that unless the history is put out simply, we will wander about on this issue for about 3 cycles of the RA.
[12:51] Guillaume Mistwalker: I don’t see how Rank is PR
[12:52] Mikelo Serevi: so our old system was swept away
[12:52] Soro Dagostino: By a vote of the people.
[12:52] Guillaume Mistwalker: It’s PReference on the individual, not on the party.
[12:52] Mikelo Serevi: no, it was not a referendum
[12:53] Pip Torok: but referendums hadnt become law then mikelo
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: This issue was consideed by the 13th RA, with several commission meetings, and several RA meetings by an RA twice our size. there has been only one election since it was put into effect, and we should respect the work of our citizens to give it time to work
[12:53] Rosie Gray: I agree!
[12:53] Mikelo Serevi: The 13th RA had statist agenda
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: make the CDS into AA
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: what do you mean by that?
[12:54] Pip Torok: ????
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: everyone will be happy, or some such
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: the 13d was after the de merger right?
[12:54] Mikelo Serevi: statism is when a small group of people runn everything
[12:54] Pip Torok: Mikelo … can you be more precise in what you say?
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: I wouldn´t call a RA with 13 people a small group lol
[12:55] Mikelo Serevi: regular people are not considered smart enough to make choices
[12:55] Soro Dagostino: What?!!
[12:55] Mikelo Serevi: the 13th RA was elected partly by AA citizens as well
[12:55] Soro Dagostino: You demean the populace!
[12:55] Pip Torok: which doesnt apply here so “statism” itself doesnt apply here mikelo
[12:55] Mikelo Serevi: no, I’m talking about the statist agenda, Soro
[12:56] Arria Perreault: Hi all ㋡
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: hi arria
[12:56] Rosie Gray: hello Arria
[12:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hi Arria
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: hi Arria
[12:56] Lilith Ivory: Hi Arria
[12:56] Fern Leissa: Hi Arria
[12:56] Pip Torok: hi arria
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: but Pip, this is the direction we were headed
[12:56] Mikelo Serevi: strong central control, diverse opinions driven out
[12:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, I need to get going
[12:57] Lilith Ivory: imo that´s exactly what you and Pip want to have now
[12:57] Pip Torok: im interested in the constitution as it now stands … “diections” and trends can be reversed
[12:57] Lilith Ivory: strong central control by a few faction leaders
[12:57] Mikelo Serevi: what gives you that impression, Lilith?
[12:58] Lilith Ivory: you want a few faction members to conrtoll CDS
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: I want diverse voices to be heard and given the power they represend in the polulation
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: ok mike
[12:58] Mikelo Serevi: But this was discouraged for a long time
[12:58] Tor Karlsvalt: If we vote by faction not individual.
[12:58] Soro Dagostino: voters who “cn’t thnk”?
[12:58] Guillaume Mistwalker: Well, I need to get going, folks…
[12:59] Mikelo Serevi: ok, cu Guil
[12:59] Fern Leissa: Bye Guillaume
[12:59] Pip Torok: speaking without a hny faction hat i want factions to be open talking shops with no thought of control EXCEPT by whom the RA serves i.e.the citizens
[12:59] Rosie Gray: bye Guillaume
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Then I might have to vote for a list of candidates with one or more ppl on it I don’t like
[12:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: See you all next time! ㋡
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: how is that dimeocratic
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: ok g
[12:59] Pip Torok: bye guillaume
[12:59] Soro Dagostino: tc G.
[12:59] Tor Karlsvalt: They can still do that Pip
[13:00] Pip Torok: how/ .. by force of personality perhaps, tor, but only by seeing the citizens becoming their “sheep”
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: and I missed invitations to public faction meetings this term
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: no
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: by hard work
[13:01] Lilith Ivory: factions seems want to do back-room politics only
[13:01] Mikelo Serevi: that sounds like projection to me, lilith
[13:01] Soro Dagostino: Point of personal privilege Madame LRA.
[13:01] Pip Torok: agree Lilith … wd that be a bad thing iyo/
[13:01] Fern Leissa: Back room politics will happen.. but they are more prone to “personalities” w/o factions
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: protection against what?
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: We have factions now.
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: we have irrelevant factions
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: if they have receded in importance it is beacuse the leaders have not put the kind of work in that is required.
[13:02] Mikelo Serevi: they are a vestige
[13:02] Fern Leissa: Right… they are largely irrelevant
[13:02] Pip Torok: yes Tor, and since factions are groups, factions will exist
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: I agree with Tor
[13:03] Soro Dagostino raises hand
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: if they are only because they have allowed themselves to become irrelevant
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: yes Soro?
[13:03] Mikelo Serevi: no, they were muddled
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: they could have meetings
[13:03] Fern Leissa: There is not as much motive to putting energy into factions if they have been largely hobbled
[13:03] Mikelo Serevi: but if we vote for individuals, what do factions mean?
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: some prominent faction members have not been in world to do anything but pay tier.
[13:03] Mikelo Serevi: yes fren, that’s it exactly
[13:03] Soro Dagostino: I brought this up as a citizens concern. I suggest it be put on the agenda — after discussion in the forum/
[13:04] Fern Leissa: Right. I think that is central Mikelo
[13:04] Mikelo Serevi: Fern, sry
[13:04] Pip Torok: they mean that the voters KNOWS in part where the candidate is coming from
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: Factions are not hobbled
[13:04] Mikelo Serevi: They mean that candidates have to declare their intentions
[13:04] Mikelo Serevi: but now, it’s optional
[13:04] Lilith Ivory: the discussion about this law has been on the agenda before Soro
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: they just have to compete faily with out a constitutional charter.
[13:04] Tor Karlsvalt: fairly
[13:05] Lilith Ivory: but your input with the referendum is quite good
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: an optional is choice and choice is democracy
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: er, that’s fuzzy logic Tor
[13:05] Mikelo Serevi: choice is choice
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: no worse than yours Mikelo
[13:05] Lilith Ivory: any Candidate should write a note with her/his goals
[13:06] Pip Torok: and btw Tor if factions AQRE no longer relevant theyll die anyway, so why the fuss?
[13:06] Fern Leissa: I think we do need more citizen input on factions and their role in our govt. but I’m concerned that a lot of pp don’t read the forum. Any suggestions?
[13:06] Lilith Ivory: that´s how it worked last election
[13:06] Mikelo Serevi: Well, this item had been on the table a while
[13:06] Tor Karlsvalt: Pip they will not die if they are given a constitutional charter
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: if they die without such favoritism then that is the ppls will
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: Let’s not stall talking about it
[13:07] Lilith Ivory: anybody want´s to chair a commissionn about that issue again?
[13:07] Lilith Ivory: we had a commission last term with Gwyn as chair
[13:07] Mikelo Serevi: A delay tactic?
[13:07] Lilith Ivory: and you surely can´t call her a Seed member lol
[13:08] Pip Torok: PLEASE Mikelo …. “delay tactic” …?
[13:08] Fern Leissa: No… I don’t think so Mikelo. I think this is an important issue… but I think we need to hear from other citizens.
[13:08] Mikelo Serevi: A referendum is an interesting idea
[13:08] Fern Leissa: I have only a random sampling of opinions at this point
[13:08] Fern Leissa: I would sure like to hear more..
[13:09] Lilith Ivory: did anybody open a discussion at the forum already?
[13:09] Pip Torok: in effect mikelo a referendum wd tru,p us all …
[13:09] Lilith Ivory: I might have missed that
[13:09] Fern Leissa: I did. Not much response
[13:09] Pip Torok: trump
[13:09] Fern Leissa: not much is an understatement lol
[13:10] Mikelo Serevi: well, we are the ones here to work with legislation
[13:10] Pip Torok: yes theres is a discussion … imo its best carried on there
[13:11] Fern Leissa: What concerns me Mikelo.. is the feed back I have gotten.. from a few which would indicate many pp may be opposed to reinstituting factions
[13:11] Fern Leissa: That’s not what I want… but we are “representatives”
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: well, there are some strong personalities around
[13:11] Mikelo Serevi: but they don’t speak for everyone
[13:12] Pip Torok: i have them also Fern .. in any case referenda were instituted for just such major issues
[13:12] Mikelo Serevi: But you’re right, only the people can speak for themselves…
[13:12] Fern Leissa: I have not spoken to any strong personalities.. and those that said this were not particularly combative… they just indicated they didn’t like factions. Sometimes with just a one or two word negative comment
[13:13] Tor Karlsvalt: hear hear I am for the people speaking for themselves.
[13:13] Fern Leissa: So.. this is hardly scientific… or representative admittedly
[13:13] Mikelo Serevi: Well, if we put it to a referendum, then it will be hard to argue with the result
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: yea I´d like to hear more citizens about that also
[13:13] Mikelo Serevi: Also, such a thing might spark interest in forum discussion
[13:14] Fern Leissa: I do like the idea of a referendum… even if we didn’t have one when they were removed from the voting process
[13:14] Fern Leissa: Factions tha is
[13:14] Fern Leissa: *that
[13:14] Mikelo Serevi: Any objection to my proposing one then?
[13:14] Fern Leissa: nope
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: how would that work in prcatice if I may ask?
[13:15] Mikelo Serevi: I’m thinking how to word that now
[13:15] Tor Karlsvalt: it will be added to the ballot
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: oh I see
[13:15] Pip Torok often wonders how it conjugates “I have principles” “you have convictions” “he/she is a strong personality” etc ….
[13:16] Mikelo Serevi: lol Pip
[13:16] Mikelo Serevi: Ok, I propose we put the matter of repealing the amendment to make factions optional to a referendum.
[13:17] Fern Leissa: I second the motion
[13:17] Mikelo Serevi: How is that? The amendment doesn’t have a number, so I can only reference what it was called in Jaime’s proposal
[13:17] Pip Torok: what cd be helpful imo is everyone writing in the Forum their -ideal_ of a constitutional setup
[13:18] Fern Leissa: Maybe the factions could have some public mtgs too… explaining what they are all about
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi: To be clear, I propose to reverse the text at viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2630
[13:18] Pip Torok: .. and how factions wd/wdnt/shd/shdnt firt in
[13:18] Fern Leissa:
[13:18] Mikelo Serevi: yes, stir things a bit, and see what’s there
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: seems we can vote on having a a referendum or not
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: even if the proposal is quite confusing hehhe
[13:19] Fern Leissa: Do we have enough pp ?? with Guillaume gone?
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: 4 of 7 seems to be enough
[13:19] Mikelo Serevi: well we need four, and he could 7-day
[13:19] Tor Karlsvalt: it is referreed to as amendment 23 in the 8th RA
[13:19] Fern Leissa: kk
[13:20] Mikelo Serevi: aha, thx Tor
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: do we need a 50% or 60% for having a referendum?
[13:20] Tor Karlsvalt: This will also repeal election of open RA seats
[13:20] Mikelo Serevi: should a restate the proposal?
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: imo it´s only 50% right
[13:20] Mikelo Serevi: it should be a regular vote
[13:21] Mikelo Serevi: I think changing the consitution would require more
[13:21] Pip Torok: WHAT shd be a regular vote, Mikelo
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: I see
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: voting to have a referendum
[13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: perhaps someone has a copy of the old constitution
[13:22] Fern Leissa: Old? Date?
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: Ok, I propose we put the matter of repealing the amendment to make factions optional to a referendum. To be clear, I propose to reverse the text at viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2630, referred to as Amendment 23
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: Does this seem clearer?
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: It does
[13:22] Mikelo Serevi: Oh, and the link has a complete reference to the constitution before and after
[13:22] Fern Leissa:
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: think I got a second already
[13:23] Fern Leissa: Want me to second again?
[13:23] Pip Torok: and I suspect this ra is being railroded into repeal a constitutiona; amedment without careful thought
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: ???
[13:23] Mikelo Serevi: do you think I’m railroading Pip?
[13:23] Pip Torok: yes
[13:23] Tor Karlsvalt: are you clear in wanting to repeal by-elections for RA?
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: so you want to have more discussion?
[13:24] Mikelo Serevi: Oh, Tor’s point
[13:24] Pip Torok: far more discussion
[13:24] Pip Torok: and in the Forum …
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: ok then
[13:24] Mikelo Serevi: but I thought a referendum would spark said discussion
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: sounds like Pip wants to table this
[13:24] Soro Dagostino: Well, well, Pip and I agree!
[13:24] Mikelo Serevi: to railroad would mean I just forced it through here
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: do you Pip?
[13:25] Pip Torok: no mik the referendum gives us the verdict not the discussion
[13:25] Pip Torok: yes mikelo it wd
[13:25] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, good point, although we can’t force people to discuss
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: I can´t call a vote as long as there is need for more discussion
[13:25] Pip Torok: but theyll have th choice given theyre registered on the Forum
[13:26] Mikelo Serevi: Yes
[13:26] Mikelo Serevi: they haven’t been discussing much, maybe because it’s not a hot topic atm
[13:26] Fern Leissa: So Pip…you’re thinking we table till next ra mtg?
[13:26] Mikelo Serevi: but a vote, well, makes it timely
[13:26] Pip Torok: its hot now, Mikelo!! )
[13:26] Lilith Ivory: it´s timely anyway
[13:27] Pip Torok: yes .. in effect
[13:27] Soro Dagostino: Its time for the SC to send Notice of the RA elections.
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: as far as I know campaigning starts at may 7
[13:27] Pip Torok: and use the time to good effect in the Forum
[13:27] Fern Leissa: I’m ok with that. Anything to try and get pp to participate and think about what they want for CDS going forward
[13:28] Pip Torok: well it WD be an issue for candidates … “your position on factions and their place”
[13:28] Mikelo Serevi: I want that too
[13:28] Fern Leissa: That’s a good point Pip.
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: not enough time till the elections anyway
[13:29] Mikelo Serevi: And a referendum included in the election would make sense
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: if we change that law people need time to found new faction if wanted
[13:29] Pip Torok: true … hadnt thought of that!
[13:30] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:30] Fern Leissa: What would be the deadline for including a referendum in the election voting? Soro?
[13:30] Soro Dagostino: I don’t have a clue.
[13:30] Mikelo Serevi: Does that mean there is no deadline?
[13:30] Fern Leissa: huum.. Anybody?
[13:31] Soro Dagostino: Need to read the Constitution
[13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: um the balots are prepared by Jon Seattle
[13:31] Fern Leissa: There must be
[13:31] Pip Torok: I thimnk Jon might be the better person to ask … via moon or gwyn perhaps
[13:31] Tor Karlsvalt: Normally the Dean coordinates with him
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: imo it´s the bussiness of SC
[13:31] Pip Torok: of course, Delia!!
[13:31] Fern Leissa: Soro’s right… need to check the Constitution
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: don´t you have a meeting soon anyway?
[13:31] Fern Leissa: Or yes… ask Delia lol
[13:32] Soro Dagostino: Planning now.
[13:32] Soro Dagostino: Been some chat between the SC members as to when.
[13:33] Soro Dagostino: Delia has been off line for two months.
[13:33] Soro Dagostino: No internet.
[13:33] Pip Torok: ??
[13:33] Fern Leissa: She was on Wed
[13:33] Soro Dagostino: Back now.
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: I can’t see anything in the constitution about referendums
[13:33] Soro Dagostino: First or second day back.
[13:33] Mikelo Serevi: I may be missing it
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: Imo we should table this issue till next meeting and try to find out more inbetween
[13:34] Tor Karlsvalt: i don’t think they are binding
[13:34] Pip Torok: agree, Lilith
[13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: This issue was discussed vis a vis the AA merger referendum
[13:35] Soro Dagostino: When I get the transcrip of this meeting I’ll see to it that the members of SC are brought up to speed.
[13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: I don’t think that was bindng
[13:35] Tor Karlsvalt: really an opinion poll
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: thanks Soro
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: I am going to post the transcript right after the meeting
[13:36] Soro Dagostino:
[13:36] Mikelo Serevi: yes, I remember that one, Tor
[13:36] Mikelo Serevi: Of course, we’re talking about a real one here
[13:37] Lilith Ivory: do I get a motion and a second to table this issue?
[13:38] Pip Torok: i propose tabling this motion
[13:38] Mikelo Serevi: second
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: all in favour say aye please
[13:38] Pip Torok: aye
[13:38] Fern Leissa: aye
[13:38] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: ok
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: unfortunately I missed asking Trebpor about a short summary of his land commission
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: … and Arria isn´t there to report about her citizenship commission (
[13:40] Tor Karlsvalt: The constitution would have to already allow for changes via referencum tho Mikelo
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: do you have anything to report Fern?
[13:40] Mikelo Serevi: well, there have been ballot measures before
[13:40] Fern Leissa: Sure..
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: interesting input Tor
[13:40] Fern Leissa: The covenant draft is ready and is posted up on the forum. Please take a look..
[13:41] Fern Leissa: There must be at least a few things that need correcting.
[13:41] Soro Dagostino: Very nice work Fern . . . .
[13:41] Fern Leissa: Otherwise… it’s pretty much ready for a vote
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: cool
[13:41] Fern Leissa: ty
[13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: yes thank you fern
[13:41] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: you should bring that to RA next time so we can discuss it
[13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: I always hope you are on a faction I can vote for
[13:41] Lilith Ivory: and thank you
[13:41] Fern Leissa: ok. I will do that
[13:41] Pip Torok: yes .. a fine toothcombe from us now, I believe!
[13:42] Fern Leissa: hehe
[13:42] Mikelo Serevi: and thanks for all your work on this, Fern
[13:42] Fern Leissa: and thanks to everybody who took the time to come to the community meetings
[13:43] Fern Leissa: They were a little boring perhaps… but very helpful for me in the re-writing
[13:43] Mikelo Serevi: not a good time for me, but I have been peeking at the transcripts
[13:43] Fern Leissa:
[13:44] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:44] Lilith Ivory: anything else?
[13:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I have something
[13:45] Soro Dagostino: Not from me, RL calls.
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: thank you for being here Soro
[13:45] Fern Leissa: Bye Soro
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: bye
[13:45] Tor Karlsvalt: yes Soro
[13:45] Soro Dagostino: Bye all.
[13:45] Mikelo Serevi: cu Soro
[13:45] Rosie Gray: bye Soro
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: any RA member concerns?
[13:46] Tor Karlsvalt: I have something after RA concerns.
[13:46] Pip Torok: possibly one mme chair
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: ok Tor
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: yes Pip?
[13:47] Tor Karlsvalt: Ok I would like to direct all of you to Sudane’s post: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3456
[13:47] Pip Torok: i am having trouble with LL billing department and cd impact on my future in CDS .. will liaise with Sudane and hopefully all will be fine
[13:47] Tor Karlsvalt: The work of Treasurer is in need of some automation.
[13:47] Tor Karlsvalt: ok Pip
[13:48] Tor Karlsvalt: In order to keep even better records and minimize administrative time, we would like to implement a Hippo system in CDS.
[13:49] Tor Karlsvalt: To that end, Sudane has implemented the Hippo system in LA only as an experiment
[13:49] Fern Leissa: not some many residents lol
[13:49] Tor Karlsvalt: expansion of the system to other regions of course will depend on the success of this experiment.
[13:49] Fern Leissa: more seriously…kk
[13:49] Pip Torok: Tor … if we havent yet paid the tier for this month … do we pay by hippo or by the old method?
[13:49] Tor Karlsvalt: in the short term you will have to pay any tier box on your parcels in LA
[13:50] Tor Karlsvalt: Pip for LA parcels only, pay the tier box on the parcel
[13:50] Pip Torok: tku
[13:50] Fern Leissa: Nice work on moving this along Tor
[13:50] Tor Karlsvalt: the total tier you owe on the old boxes has been adjusted to refect the change in collection method
[13:51] Tor Karlsvalt: much thanks goes to anna, who did all the work of collecting necessay LMs and parcel pics.
[13:51] Tor Karlsvalt: As mentioned earlier
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: the hippo system does provide not only a more automated administration, but also more information about our finaces.
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: one great benefit will be that we can pay several months in advance.
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: today I paied two months fo tier for my parcels in LA.
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: paid
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry for the typos
[13:53] Fern Leissa: Will we still get reminders about payment due Tor?
[13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: yes you will, Fern
[13:53] Fern Leissa: ty
[13:54] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane plans to add me and the PIO as managers of the system
[13:54] Tor Karlsvalt: as you can see, this will help Sudane a great deal.
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: on thing of note
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: if tier is due but not paid, the sign on the parcels will show the parcel as reserved
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: click on the sign to find the tier payment needed
[13:56] Tor Karlsvalt: then rt click on the sign to make a payment
[13:56] Tor Karlsvalt: the sign will change to a tier box to indicate that tier is paid.
[13:56] Mikelo Serevi: I noticed it gives an amount to pay, but the pay amount defaults you my last paid figure, which is wrong
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: repeat the payment if you want to add an extra month.
[13:57] Mikelo Serevi: the amount in chat seems correct
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: the amount in chat is correct
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: I noticed that too mikelo
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: I have one parcel a bit bigger than the other
[13:57] Tor Karlsvalt: the system remembered the amount I paid on the bigger parcel I think
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: well it is new
[13:58] Fern Leissa: ooooh
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: and we want to work out bugs
[13:58] Fern Leissa: a few bugs to work out.
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: so any feedback would be helpful
[13:58] Fern Leissa: LA beta
[13:58] Mikelo Serevi: lol, yes
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:58] Tor Karlsvalt: true
[13:59] Tor Karlsvalt: well fern you brought up one reason LA is a good place to hold the experiement
[13:59] Fern Leissa: huum. Sad but true
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: we may have vendors around too, so you will conceivably be able to pay your tier in one location at the vendors
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: one was put in the temple on the quay
[14:00] Fern Leissa: Oh. I saw that yeah
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: also just a note
[14:00] Fern Leissa: Big do not touch sign when I was there
[14:00] Tor Karlsvalt: Sudane has made some tip jars
[14:01] Tor Karlsvalt: yes Fern well we have to work some things out
[14:01] Tor Karlsvalt: the tip jars will be for events
[14:01] Tor Karlsvalt: we are often embarassed a bit to not have tip jars for the venue when we have events
[14:01] Rosie Gray: I saw one on the platz today
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: so now we will be able to point people to a tip jar when they are asked to tip the venue.
[14:02] Tor Karlsvalt: we may be able to recoup some of our cost.
[14:03] Lilith Ivory thinks about having a tip jar besides her chair also
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: also our last event Damian Carbenell was well attened.
[14:03] Fern Leissa: hehe
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:03] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:03] Tor Karlsvalt: http://cdstheblog.blogspot.com/
[14:04] Tor Karlsvalt: plans for Floralia have been pertty finalized. anna should have something out soon.
[14:04] Tor Karlsvalt: it will be the last weekend of May
[14:04] Tor Karlsvalt: finally, in the sprit of being a good neighbor I understand AA is holding Feria next weekend
[14:04] Fern Leissa:
[14:05] Pip Torok: excuse me, folks .. RL calls
[14:05] Tor Karlsvalt: ok pip
[14:05] Fern Leissa: Bye Pip
[14:05] Tor Karlsvalt: bye
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: cu Pip
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: see you Pip
[14:05] Pip Torok: bye fern, Tor
[14:05] Pip Torok: Lilith
[14:05] Lilith Ivory: omg now we don´t have a quorum to adjorn
[14:05] Pip Torok: Rosie …
[14:05] Mikelo Serevi: Im sure we’ll manage
[14:05] Rosie Gray: you’ll just have to sit there and debate then!
[14:05] Lilith Ivory smiles
[14:05] Rosie Gray smiles
[14:06] Pip Torok: ok ill hang around till then!
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[14:06] Tor Karlsvalt: well I think I am done
[14:06] Fern Leissa: Talk faster Tor lol
[14:06] Tor Karlsvalt: unless there are questions.
[14:06] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[14:06] Pip Torok: nope …..
[14:06] Mikelo Serevi: Just a note, it might be a good idea to send a notice about these things
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: I am goin to place a feria poster with schedule in my shop on the forum
[14:07] Lilith Ivory: in case anybody is interested
[14:07] Tor Karlsvalt: there is a posting in the forum, but a goup notice is a good idea, Mikelo
[14:07] Tor Karlsvalt: I will
[14:07] Fern Leissa: Ok… if we’re taling about feria… There’s a BIG book over in the library
[14:08] Tor Karlsvalt: I plan to wave the CDS flag so to speak.
[14:08] Pip Torok: nice touch, Tor!
[14:08] Rosie Gray: good idea Tor
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: well should we adjourn now so I can post the transcript?
[14:09] Mikelo Serevi: second
[14:09] Fern Leissa:
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: all in favour say aye please
[14:09] Fern Leissa: aye
[14:09] Pip Torok: aye
[14:09] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: aye
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: afk while posting
[14:09] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: see you guys
[14:09] Rosie Gray: thanks for everything you do, people!
[14:09] Fern Leissa: Bye Lilith
[14:09] Lilith Ivory bows
[14:09] Lilith Ivory: lol
[14:09] Pip Torok: and so … au revoir, folks!

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