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RA Minutes of December 3, 2013 Summary of actions: Tor Karlsvalt Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Rosie Gray Fern Leissa Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Fern Leissa Tor Karlsvalt Ranma Tardis Rosie Gray Ranma Tardis Fern Leissa Ranma Tardis Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Rosie Gray Tor Karlsvalt Pip Torok Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Rosie Gray Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Fern Leissa Rosie Gray Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Ranma Tardis Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory GrandDukeDylan Rothmoor Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Rosie Gray Lilith Ivory Fern Leissa Bagheera Kristan#http://mbprofile:821e9d49-c5e0-4d2d-9451-3e1188b833e5&Bagheera Kristan Tor Karlsvalt Fern Leissa Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Pip Torok Rosie Gray Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory GrandDukeDylan Rothmoor Rosie Gray Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Rosie Gray Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Rosie Gray Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Rosie Gray Tor Karlsvalt Rosie Gray Fern Leissa Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Lilith Ivory Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Ranma Tardis Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Bagheera Kristan Rosie Gray Fern Leissa Ranma Tardis Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Fern Leissa Rosie Gray Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Rosie Gray Lilith Ivory Rosie Gray Tor Karlsvalt Rosie Gray Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Rosie Gray Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Rosie Gray Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Fern Leissa Rosie Gray Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Pip Torok Tanoujin Milestone Rosie Gray Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Pip Torok Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Pip Torok Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Pip Torok Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Rosie Gray Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Rosie Gray Lilith Ivory Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Rosie Gray Pip Torok Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt GrandDukeDylan Rothmoor Tor Karlsvalt Rosie Gray Tanoujin Milestone GrandDukeDylan Rothmoor Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Rosie Gray Tor Karlsvalt Pip Torok Tor Karlsvalt Rosie Gray Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian Pip Torok Tor Karlsvalt Pip Torok Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tor Karlsvalt Tanoujin Milestone Tor Karlsvalt Shep Titian The affirmation of office is a public declaration that in the office to which you have been duly elected, you will solemnly affirm to uphold the Constitution of the CDS and take the duties of the RA seriously so please if you would, insert your own name into the RA affirmation and read the text into the local chat: a little early for the americans methinks I, Nolligan Nino , having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators. HURRAY! Hear my words and bear witness to my vow thank you Nolligan and congrats CONGRATULATIONS Nolligan Summary of Actions taken: Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Fern Leissa Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Nolligan Nino Lilith Ivory Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Ranma Tardis Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Nolligan Nino Ranma Tardis Nolligan Nino Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Fern Leissa Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Tanoujin Milestone Sudane Erato Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Fern Leissa Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Fern Leissa Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Sudane Erato Tanoujin Milestone Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Fern Leissa Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Nolligan Nino Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Sudane Erato Shep Titian Sudane Erato Ranma Tardis Sudane Erato Shep Titian Sudane Erato Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Sudane Erato Tanoujin Milestone Sudane Erato Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Sudane Erato Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Fern Leissa Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Fern Leissa Sudane Erato Shep Titian Fern Leissa Shep Titian Fern Leissa Sudane Erato Shep Titian Fern Leissa Nolligan Nino Fern Leissa Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Nolligan Nino Sudane Erato Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Sudane Erato Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Sudane Erato Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Sudane Erato Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Nolligan Nino Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Fern Leissa Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Sudane Erato Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Sudane Erato Lilith Ivory Sudane Erato Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Ranma Tardis Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Nolligan Nino Shep Titian Lilith Ivory Nolligan Nino Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Nolligan Nino Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Shep Titian Tanoujin Milestone Shep Titian Ranma Tardis Summary of Actions July 6 2013 – RA Transcript Tor Karlsvalt [07:05] Forgive me if I get a bit distracted. Just give me a hard nudge if I ignore you. I am running SL in a window so I can work on a statement. Shep Titian [07:06] ok everyone has permission to poke Tor Tanoujin Milestone [07:06] hehe Rosie Gray [07:06] Rosie Gray tests out a POKE! on Tor Shep Titian [07:06] cCalling this meeting to order Tor Karlsvalt [07:06] haha Shep Titian [07:07] RA have you read the agenda and approve its contents .. please say aye or nay Ranma Tardis [07:07] aye Moonrise Azalee [07:07] aye Nolligan Nino [07:08] aye Tanoujin Milestone [07:08] aye Shep Titian [07:08] aye Nolligan Nino [07:09] I will do when asked… Shep Titian [07:09] Thanks .. Tan will you speak on the Fairground committee? Tanoujin Milestone [07:09] yes, sbortly Shep Titian [07:10] Good and Tor will you be giving us a statement? Tanoujin Milestone [07:12] me pokes tor Tor Karlsvalt [07:12] sorry yes Nolligan Nino [07:12] Nolligan Nino reaches for cattle prod… Tor Karlsvalt [07:12] I will Shep Titian [07:12] Ok he’ll catch up Callipygian Christensen [07:13] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand Pip Torok [07:13] i have one tho not a concern Shep Titian [07:14] Ok no hands waving Tor Karlsvalt [07:14] sure Shep Titian [07:14] Same again for RA .. any concerns? Callipygian Christensen [07:14] Callipygian Christensen coughs and waves Ranma Tardis [07:14] raises hand Pip Torok [07:14] i have one Nolligan Nino [07:14] yes – I have one Shep Titian [07:14] Sorry Calli Callipygian Christensen [07:15] Thank you. Last RA meeting there was discussion by those members present of removing or replacing a RA member. Ranma Tardis [07:16] claps Tanoujin Milestone [07:16] great, thank you Calli Pip Torok [07:16] applause Shep Titian [07:18] Ok thank you for that clarification .. does that also apply if the person did’nt show up ever? .. not directing that at the lovely Birch who made a superhuman effort for us today Moonrise Azalee [07:18] Moonrise Azalee laughs Callipygian Christensen [07:18] Yes, it probably does Widget Whiteberry [07:18] Widget Whiteberry wonders if that statement is from the formal docs of CDS Shep Titian [07:19] Ok .. so what would the SC advise if RA were not able to be quorate because of such a situation? Callipygian Christensen [07:19] No, i’t s just my interpretation of what is and isn’t stated in the documents Pip Torok [07:20] Pip Torok wd be happier if the absence were quantified … for example more than 1 meeting in 3 Callipygian Christensen [07:21] It isn’t for the SC to advise on such a case – to not be quorate it would require 3 members to never attend or cast a 7 day voteort Tanoujin Milestone [07:21] hear, hear. Maybe we need apiece of legislation Callipygian Christensen [07:21] RA can function with only 3 active members Shep Titian [07:21] Yes Tanoujin Milestone [07:22] nods Shep Titian [07:23] Ok Pip did you have a comment? Callipygian Christensen [07:23] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand for a brief addendum Pip Torok [07:24] yes … just to say there will shortly open new wine cellar … a rival to the present one at the northwest corner of the marktplatz .. you are all welcome of course done Shep Titian [07:24] Well yes Calli .. if Pip is typing hes after Moonrise Azalee [07:25] Moonrise Azalee grins.. Yay, wine! Callipygian Christensen [07:25] Just to clarify, I, nor any other member of the SC can answer the ‘what would the SC …’ because it is a voting body – each of us can only give our personal opinion and view Shep Titian [07:25] Ok thank you Calli Tor Karlsvalt [07:28] Tor Karlsvalt looks forward to pips wine cellar. Shep Titian [07:28] Moving on … but we need Tan Rosie Gray [07:28] Rosie Gray looks forward to the wine cellar too Pip Torok [07:28] correction Tor .. its mothercard warden’s Rosie Gray [07:29] oh Mothercard’s Tor Karlsvalt [07:29]
Pip Torok [07:29] (she asked me to announce it) Lilith Ivory [07:29] (placing Tan again) Pip Torok [07:29] wb tan Tanoujin Milestone [07:29] phew, sorry Shep Titian [07:29] Ok we’ll skip Tan’s report for now Tanoujin Milestone [07:30] sorry, crash Shep Titian [07:30] Tan are you able to report on the Fairground Committee? Tanoujin Milestone [07:30] i see, quick one I apologize, did not get very far Shep Titian [07:30] WB Tanoujin Milestone [07:31] i interviewed the chancellor and want to invite Bags to join me in this – next time more on this Shep Titian [07:31] Ok well thanks for making a start Tanoujin Milestone [07:32] thanks for ypur patience Shep Titian [07:32] New business .. I would like a small update on procedure Pip Torok [07:33] welcome Bromo Shep Titian [07:33] And thank you Bromo Ivory [07:34]
Rosie Gray [07:34] hello Bromo Moonrise Azalee [07:34] Hi Bromo Fern Leissa [07:34] Hi Bromo Tor Karlsvalt [07:34] Hi Bromo Bromo Ivory [07:34] HI all Tanoujin Milestone [07:34] Bromo Shep Titian [07:34] And it would if people were prepared to use the typing (or arm waving ) anim Moonrise Azalee [07:35] Moonrise Azalee nods.. Shep Titian [07:35] Just please make it as clear as possible that you are speaking and have finished Callipygian Christensen [07:35] Friestorm has a preference to show that someone is typing in a chat bubble above their head also Tanoujin Milestone [07:36] I support Shep’s suggestion on procedures Moonrise Azalee [07:36] that might be even easier.. i know my typing anim is also set in AO and one over rides the other Pip Torok [07:36] thanks calli those with fs appreciate knowing this Shep Titian [07:36] I don’t like shopwing weakness but I’m a single digit typer and so do miss the odd comment by lookingh at my keybnoard Tor Karlsvalt [07:36] Tor Karlsvalt probably a good idea, but rummages around in prefs looking for that setting. Moonrise Azalee [07:37] Text Chat i believe Pip Torok [07:37] Pip Torok thinks itll level the playingfield between fluent typers and the rest Shep Titian [07:37] trlp .. chat .. second line Tor Rosie Gray [07:37] FS ->chat ->general tab Tor Karlsvalt [07:38]
Shep Titian [07:38] that was CTRL p Tor Karlsvalt [07:38] got it Callipygian Christensen [07:38] typing indicator in bubbles is the last on that same tab Widget Whiteberry [07:38] tests … Moonrise Azalee [07:39] < ---finds this SO much easier
Rosie Gray [07:39] trys out to see if it shows you are typing, but it doesn't until you hit return
Shep Titian [07:39] just flap about and have patience
Moonrise Azalee [07:39] Moonrise Azalee can see that pip is typing
Shep Titian [07:40] Done on that
Pip Torok [07:40] Birch .. Cool i know but what is imp?
Moonrise Azalee [07:40] Moonrise Azalee grins
[07:40] (imprudence)
Pip Torok [07:40] ah!! tks
Moonrise Azalee [07:40] Moonrise Azalee smiles
Shep Titian [07:40] I can't .. how can you?
Rosie Gray [07:40] I can't either
Moonrise Azalee [07:40] activated Chat Bubbles
[07:41] in chat -show chat bubbles
Widget Whiteberry [07:41] Widget Whiteberry notes you have to see the avies to see ... and that the bubble appears when text is entering
Pip Torok [07:41] Pip Torok thinks a masterclass on viewers is called for especially now SSB is almost upon us
Rosie Gray [07:41] I have that activated on Firestorm, but it doesn't work that way
Widget Whiteberry [07:41] not while typng
[07:41] typing
Rosie Gray [07:41] Rosie Gray nods
Shep Titian [07:41] Ok what does that do?
Moonrise Azalee [07:42] while typing i see a bubble above the avies head with ... being entered until they hit enter
Widget Whiteberry [07:42] could rez a golden ball on her lap as indicator
Rosie Gray [07:42] I don't see that
Shep Titian [07:42] Yes And I saw Rosie's
Tanoujin Milestone [07:42] smiles at Widget
Moonrise Azalee [07:42] You saw Rosie entering text?
Shep Titian [07:42] I saw her dots
Moonrise Azalee [07:42] yes me too, and yours
Shep Titian [07:43] same as you
Rosie Gray [07:43] hmmm
Moonrise Azalee [07:43] (and now widgets)
Rosie Gray [07:43] but what viewers are you using?
Moonrise Azalee [07:43] Moonrise Azalee grins
[07:43] i use Cool VL
Shep Titian [07:43] Your name tag changes colour
Widget Whiteberry [07:43] this is good in a crowd to see who has said something
[07:43] not so useful here
Moonrise Azalee [07:43] which viewer do you use Widget?
Shep Titian [07:43] Now Calli
Rosie Gray [07:44] Rosie Gray agrees with Widget
Widget Whiteberry [07:44] newest FS
Callipygian Christensen [07:44] I dont have chat bubbles activated..just that one setting. Panned out to see the whole room thier nae tag wiht dots appears when anyone is typing
Widget Whiteberry [07:44] it was worth testing
Moonrise Azalee [07:44] maybe it only doesnt work with fs then
[07:44] Moonrise Azalee nods
Widget Whiteberry [07:44] I can leave it ion if it s others
Rosie Gray [07:45] I just use the old annoying typing gestures
[07:45] Rosie Gray grins
Shep Titian [07:45] Ok well if you can adopt it for meetings it would ..
[07:45] Moving on
Moonrise Azalee [07:45] there is also the option of 'show 'when typing' above avatar's head' option in the same section
Pip Torok [07:45] Pip Torok looks forward to whenever the same luxuries are implmented the same way on all viewers
Moonrise Azalee [07:45] Moonrise Azalee nods
Tor Karlsvalt [07:45] Tor Karlsvalt likes chat bubbles for meetings.
Moonrise Azalee [07:46] Moonrise Azalee does also
Shep Titian [07:46] Next we need a Pro Tem to take over should I have to miss a meeting
Rosie Gray [07:46] oh that works now
[07:46] Rosie Gray shuts up
Widget Whiteberry [07:46] trying ' 'show 'when typing' above avatar's head' '
Shep Titian [07:46] Is there anyone wants the job?
Moonrise Azalee [07:46] mm... no thank you
Widget Whiteberry [07:46] job?
Tanoujin Milestone [07:47] me listens
Widget Whiteberry [07:47] got lost in tech
Shep Titian [07:47] Only RA widget sorry
Nolligan Nino [07:47] I'll do it..
Tanoujin Milestone [07:47] pro tempore , widget. Ranma?
Ranma Tardis [07:47] yes?
Moonrise Azalee [07:47] Moonrise Azalee looks at the man in the blue shirt and grins
[07:48] hehe
Shep Titian [07:49] Is it only Nolli that wants the job?
Tanoujin Milestone [07:49] just wanted to make sure you are here
Ranma Tardis [07:49] it is an easy question
Shep Titian [07:49] Dear Lord
Ranma Tardis [07:49] oh you are taking nominations
[07:50] Shep you made a challenge so I accept it then and now
Tanoujin Milestone [07:50] ๏ฟผ
Shep Titian [07:50] Ok so we have two contestants
Widget Whiteberry [07:51] Widget Whiteberry wonders if she will finally see lion in action
Shep Titian [07:51] Calli sorry .. does this have to be an open vote?
[07:53] Calli's not typing Lilith do you know?
Callipygian Christensen [07:53] umm..I dont recall, but I think all votes are open
Lilith Ivory [07:53] what?
Shep Titian [07:54] Its ok Lil thanks
Tanoujin Milestone [07:54] me raises hand
Shep Titian [07:54] One sec Tan
[07:54] Ok Tan
Tanoujin Milestone [07:54] np
Shep Titian [07:55] Go ahead Tan
[07:55]
Tanoujin Milestone [07:55] i suggest we vote by calling the name of the candidate we support. done
Shep Titian [07:55] Ok
[07:56] I'll go first .I b=vote for Nolligan
Moonrise Azalee [07:56] I vote Nolligan
Tanoujin Milestone [07:56] I vote Ranma
Shep Titian [07:56] Tan?
[07:56] K
[07:57] Birch
Nolligan Nino [07:57] I vote for Nolligan
Ranma Tardis [07:57] vote for myself
Shep Titian [07:57] Thanks Nooligan
Ranma Tardis [07:57] congrats nolligan
Shep Titian [07:57] Thanks Ran
Nolligan Nino [07:57] thank you
Moonrise Azalee [07:57] Congrats Nolligan
Callipygian Christensen [07:58] For future reference re: secret votes "Section 5 โ Journal
The RA shall keep and publish a journal of its proceedings. The individual votes of RA members shall be entered in the journal. Parts of the journal that are deemed secret by a 2/3 majority and with concurrence of the Philosophic branch will not be published. Secret journal entries may only be deemed secret if they prevent the exploitation of the city and citizens from external threats." SO any vote like this is public.
Lilith Ivory [07:58] congrats Noligan
Pip Torok [07:58] congrats nolligan
Shep Titian [07:58] CVongratulations
Tor Karlsvalt [07:58] ?~~?~~APPLAUSE~~?~~?
Tanoujin Milestone [07:58] nice
Shep Titian [07:58] Thank You Calli ..
[07:59] Sorry Ran .. I'll explain my vote .. Nolli is online a lot and is very keen at the moment ๏ฟผ
[08:01] Ok .. moving on .. LA .. again .. Nolligan wanted to give his view on the issue
[08:01] So I will yield the floor to Nooligan
Nolligan Nino [08:02] Firstly I wanted tor raise a concern expressed to me by Em warden - she is experiencing problems opening notecards attached to group notices - a lack of permissions error
Tor Karlsvalt [08:03] Hmm, I wonder if it is any of mine.
Nolligan Nino [08:03] Moving to the agenda item number 3
Tor Karlsvalt [08:04] I will look her up and find out what the problem is.
Moonrise Azalee [08:04] the last CDS one works fine for me
Callipygian Christensen [08:04] That may be a lag or other issue on Em's end - I don't believe you can attach a notecard that isn't full perms, unless that has changed recently
Nolligan Nino [08:04] (apologies I am experiencing packet loss and some of this may appear in the wrong order)
[08:04] Locus Amoenus:
This sim is not doing well, I am reliably informed that it has an occupancy rate of 49% This is neither desirable nor sustainable.
[08:05] My honourable friend Tanoujin produced a report on it in Jan this year - I recommend reading it is candid and paints a bleak picture, and if anything matters have gotten worse since then.
[08:06] 80% occupancy is required to break even. As far as I am aware there have been several attempts to relaunch it.
[08:06] A number of citizens have spent substantial sums renovating and improving parcels in LA. We should thank Tan and Lillith (apologies if I have neglected to mention anyone) I also commend the efforts of all the residents of LA in trying to improve their sim.
[08:06] However, multiple parcels remain empty and traffic is low.
We have reached a moment where we can not afford to let matters drift.
[08:07] I think that we have 4 principle options:
[08:07] 1) Raise tier to cover the expense of LA and re-dedicate a large portion of the sim as a public space for events.
[08:08] 2) Downgrade the sim to a homestead, hopefully this option would allow present residents there to keep their parcels.
[08:08] 3) Get rid of the whole sim. Not my preferred option but may have to happen but in my opinion only after a plebiscite .
[08:08] 4) McCawberism - carrying on and hoping that 'something will turn up' . This could be the Cedar Island initiative or a redesign. However, this could just be a case of 'kicking the can further down the road'. If something does not turn up we will be left with the same problem as now - but with a smaller cash pile.
[08:09] I must stress that I do not favour 3) getting rid of the sim, but it has been raised by some citizens and needs to be considered as an option. Shep Titian [08:10] Thank you Nolligan Pip Torok [08:10] Pip Torok has one question: Shep Titian [08:10] Taking comments from the floor Fern Leissa [08:11] Fern Leissa raises hand Pip Torok [08:11] will option 2 cure the deficit with present numbers? done Widget Whiteberry [08:11] Widget Whiteberry raises hand Ranma Tardis [08:11] I support holding on for awhile raising taxes Rosie Gray [08:11] Rosie Gray raises hand Shep Titian [08:12] Fern Nolligan Nino [08:12] I think Tor has been doing some work on that option Shep Titian [08:12] After Fren Widget then Rosie Tor Karlsvalt [08:12] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand Fern Leissa [08:12] Could someone clarify the cost of LA? Is this a grandfathered sim? I’m wondering what the costs and savings would be if we downgrade to homestead. done Shep Titian [08:13] Thank you Fern Tor Karlsvalt [08:13] Tor Karlsvalt may I answer Fern? Fern Leissa [08:13] [whispers] Hi Bags Shep Titian [08:13] Widget Widget Whiteberry [08:13] /em waits for a reply to Fern’s good question Fern Leissa [08:13] Sure Tor. Thanks Widget Whiteberry [08:13] oh, to do you want my question now? Shep Titian [08:13] Yes Tor Tor Karlsvalt [08:13] Thanks Shep Titian [08:14] After Tor Widget thx Tor Karlsvalt [08:14] LA tier is $295.00, it is not grandfathered. Our grandfathered sims are NFS, $195.00; CN, $195 and Monastery, $95.00 Tanoujin Milestone [08:15] that is correct Fern Leissa [08:16] brb phone Shep Titian [08:16] kk Widget Whiteberry [08:16] Have the current residents expressed a preference between options 1 & 2? Done Fern Leissa [08:17] back. Thanks Tor Tor Karlsvalt [08:17] Tor Karlsvalt can I speak to Widget’s question? Widget Whiteberry [08:17] er, or opinions about options 1 & 2. sorry Shep Titian [08:18] Well Alexia would be happy to stay .. but is prepared to move the Time Machine Tor Karlsvalt [08:18] Ms. LRA, may I speak to this? Shep Titian [08:19] A number of parcels are ones bought to reduce the yellow .. and I know one wants the freedom to buy elsewhere back Tor Karlsvalt [08:19] Thank you Shep Titian [08:19] not forgotten you Rosie Rosie Gray [08:20] ? Lilith Ivory [08:20] Lilith Ivory raises her hand Tor Karlsvalt [08:21] I think you are correct in your assessment. Alexia is the only citizen who is solely in LA. The rest of us have land elsewhere in CDS. I would not expect too much of an increase in ownership in ohter sims if LA were deleted. Shep Titian [08:21] Noted Lilith I’ll call you after Rosie Bagheera Kristan [08:21] /raises hand Shep Titian [08:21] Rosie first Rosie Gray [08:21] thanks Tanoujin Milestone [08:22] me raises hand Shep Titian [08:22] Seen you Bags Bagheera Kristan [08:22]
Shep Titian [08:22] After Bags Tan Rosie Gray [08:22] I was wondering if anyone knows what the status of the discussions/proposal from the Cedar Island folks is Shep Titian [08:23] Thanks .. nothing new from her .. OI spoke with her a few days ago and nothing forthcoming at that time Tor Karlsvalt [08:23] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand Callipygian Christensen [08:24] Cedar is meeting right now Lilith Ivory [08:24] I just wanted to mention that if we downgrate LA to a homestead the price per prim needs to go up as a homestead is always more expensive than a full Sim Shep Titian [08:25] Ok thanks Lil Callipygian Christensen [08:25] Homestead also limits number of avatars allowed in doesnt it? Shep Titian [08:26] it does Calli .. to 20 Tanoujin Milestone [08:26] In reply to Tor: I am maxed out at La solely, and I will move if it is off. done Shep Titian [08:26] Thanks Tan Ranma Tardis [08:26] raises hand Shep Titian [08:26] Ranma? Bagheera Kristan [08:26] /raises hand higher? Fern Leissa [08:26] wb Tan Tanoujin Milestone [08:26] sorry, crashed. I withdraw Shep Titian [08:26] Oop sorry Bags Tor Karlsvalt [08:27] Tor Karlsvalt would like to go after Bags Shep Titian [08:27] Right noted Tor Ranma Tardis [08:27] the problem with homestead is the size of the lots not the prims. Had a lot in monastary and it was unbuildable. Tor Karlsvalt [08:27] Tor Karlsvalt means “speak” Go for speak is a Chicagoism. Ranma Tardis [08:27] so it comes down to keeping the sim or not Bagheera Kristan [08:28] speaking for myself, I prefer LA – although I own a larger parcel in CN, that was temporary and I had really wanted to move over to LA. I have a small apartment in LA now… Ranma Tardis [08:28] I think we need to give it more time and relax the overbearing convadents Bagheera Kristan [08:28] with the intention to promote the sim. done. thank you. Shep Titian [08:29] Who said that? Ranma Tardis [08:29] in place Bagheera Kristan [08:29] I forget Tor Karlsvalt [08:29] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand Shep Titian [08:29] Tor Tor Karlsvalt [08:29] Thanks Ranma Tardis [08:29] so I am against closing the sim or reducing it, done Tor Karlsvalt [08:29] During the Ball, Jon mentioned that he would meet with Delia and others to work out some proposal. I lately asked Delia, but it seems both her and Jon have been very busy with work in RL these past few weeks. Pip Torok [08:29] Pip Torok raises hand Shep Titian [08:29] Thanks Ran Tor Karlsvalt [08:29] Regardign some other concerns: Shep Titian [08:30] Pip Tor Karlsvalt [08:30] and a homestead allows only 20 AVs at one time. So not much good for events. Pip Torok [08:31] disagree that homestead la makes it “unbuildable .. ppl wd and do adapt done Shep Titian [08:31] What events Tor Karlsvalt [08:31]
[08:31] We typically had many events in LA Shep Titian [08:31] I have always lived on homesteads .. they’re great Pip Torok [08:31] and other locales are available .. eg the oldbowk in am Moonrise Azalee [08:32] Moonrise Azalee raises her hand Pip Torok [08:32] oldbowl Fern Leissa [08:32] Fern Leissa raises hand Lilith Ivory [08:32] Lilith Ivory raises her hand Shep Titian [08:32] Birch Moonrise Azalee [08:32] Thank you… I was just going to say that I lived in Monastery, and did not find the prims an issue. Certainly not as difficult as say my 18 prim allowance in CN. Done Shep Titian [08:33] thanks Ranma Tardis [08:33] raises hand Shep Titian [08:33] Lilith after Fern then you Ran Fern Leissa [08:34] I agree with Ranma. I do not yet want to see the sim shut down and I do to see a real advantage to convert it to a homestead Tor Karlsvalt [08:34]
Shep Titian [08:34] Ok Lilith Ivory [08:34] Iยดve two comments Fern Leissa [08:34] I would rather see an increase in tier across the sims it we cannot improve the vacancy rate by the end of the summmer Rosie Gray [08:34] Rosie Gray raises hand Lilith Ivory [08:35] firs the size of a parcel on a homestead can be designed how ever we want. It all depends on the prim factor Fern Leissa [08:35] I would very much like to revisit some redesigning of the sim though I am very impressed with a lot of the builds that have gone up this past year. The sim looks very nice. done Shep Titian [08:36] Thanks Fern Lilith Ivory [08:36] second: I hate to say it but as far as I know we had problems with vacant land in LA from the beginning so I donยดt know how long we should keep waiting for something to happen Shep Titian [08:36] Good point .. we keep going there Tor Karlsvalt [08:37] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand Shep Titian [08:37] After Ran Tor Widget Whiteberry [08:37] Widget Whiteberry raises hand Rosie Gray [08:38] Rosie Gray waves hand around Ranma Tardis [08:38] Think the problem is with the covenants and think if we loosed up on the rp of medevil will fill the sim Shep Titian [08:38] Widget after Tor Rosie Gray [08:38] I was after Ranma, Shep Ranma Tardis [08:38] saying that I motion to end discussion and vote Shep Titian [08:38] Rosie have OI missed you? Rosie Gray [08:39] yes maam Shep Titian [08:39] Thanks RAn .. no vote today Rosie Gray [08:39] I think that we should get an answer from Delia and Jon first before doing anything else, Ranma Tardis [08:40] coughs I must go Rosie Gray [08:40] and I wanted to say I agree with Ranma about loosing up the covenants would Tanoujin Milestone [08:40] , Ranma, see you soon Widget Whiteberry [08:40] Widget Whiteberry waits for her turn Moonrise Azalee [08:40] Ran Ranma Tardis [08:40] RL calls Shep Titian [08:40] Ah ok Ranma .. this won’t be voted on as Rosie says we need to see all the options Callipygian Christensen [08:41] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand Rosie Gray [08:41] and I also think that if all of these things don’t work, then a homestead would be a good idea Shep Titian [08:41] Ok is getting out of kilter Widget Widget Whiteberry [08:41] my turn? Shep Titian [08:42] It was after Tor but he seems to have stopped ๏ฟผ Tor Karlsvalt [08:42] I agree with Lilith. If you look at the history of LA, it has been beset with constant problems. It is also somewhat of a danger politically as it allows for “invasion”. I want to keep it nonetheless. But it needs a new focus. A new theme. Preferably one close to CN in character but more modern. The ancient theme just isn’t a draw. Even in hard times, other sims seem more attractive to new people. Shep Titian [08:42] oop he had’nt Rosie Gray [08:43] Rosie Gray agrees with Tor too Moonrise Azalee [08:43] Moonrise Azalee nods in agreement with Tor’s words Nolligan Nino [08:43] apologies for my absence – I had to tunnel through the great firewall to log in – and may disappear… Rosie Gray [08:43] ? Tanoujin Milestone [08:43] wb Shep Titian [08:43] WB Nolli Tor Karlsvalt [08:44] wb Nolli Widget Whiteberry [08:44] hands Nolli a clean towel for the tunnel dust Fern Leissa [08:44] hehe Lilith Ivory [08:44] what Tor just said is the consent we had at the citizens meetings last term Nolligan Nino [08:44] ? Widget Whiteberry [08:45] Tor, are you done? Tor Karlsvalt [08:45] Tor Karlsvalt wonders if the NSA is watching internet in China Widget Whiteberry [08:46] ok, me then? Shep Titian [08:46] Good on ya Widget Widget Whiteberry [08:46] smiles Shep Titian [08:47] Thank you Widget Tor Karlsvalt [08:47] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand Nolligan Nino [08:47] Point of information: as I crashed I was answering a question about Cedar Island – there are having ameeting as we speak scheduled to start at 08:00 am . Delia told me this. Tor Karlsvalt [08:48] ah Rosie Gray [08:48] 8 am today? Shep Titian [08:48] Thanks Nolli yes we had that info Tor Karlsvalt [08:48] Tor Karlsvalt heartened my the good news. Shep Titian [08:48] Calli its your time? Moonrise Azalee [08:50] Moonrise Azalee raises her hand Widget Whiteberry [08:51] Widget Whiteberry raises her hand Shep Titian [08:51] Birch Moonrise Azalee [08:52] thank you.. just a question that perhaps Tor can answer.. i know LA is losing money, however how is it in the scale of all sims. With all five together, are we breaking even or on the hole. Is LA the factor behind that? Just looking for an overall understandign of LA as part of the whole. Done Tor Karlsvalt [08:53] Can I respond to birch Shep Titian [08:53] Yes Tor Tor Karlsvalt [08:53] Thank you Antonius Camus [08:53] [whispers] Hiya. Lilith Ivory [08:54] Hi Tony Tor Karlsvalt [08:56] OK, this is getting ahead of my statement, but I have a spreadsheet showing a proposed tier increase. It is inter active. I am allowing you all access to one copy so you can plug in tier rates. In response to Birch, however, no it does’t. CDS will still lose money without LA. Not as much, but some. Here is the link to the interactive sheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc … sp=sharing Moonrise Azalee [08:57] Moonrise Azalee nods Shep Titian [08:57] But iof the people now in LA move .. its likely they will buy parcel elsewhere Tor Karlsvalt [08:57] Web hosting for one, but also, events. Shep Titian [08:59] And if they did’nt I would say CDS has an even bigger question to answer Tor Karlsvalt [08:59] Well, I am allowed only 8 parcels. Three of them are now in LA. Moonrise Azalee [09:00] Moonrise Azalee had a moment trying to find summary page—tab on bottom.. genius Tor Karlsvalt [09:00] Tan is already a bit over extended in LA. Tanoujin Milestone [09:00]
Shep Titian [09:00] Why do you buy 8 parcels? Tor Karlsvalt [09:01] I should note, if Cedar wants in, we may want to consider changes to LA to make it suitable. Tanoujin Milestone [09:01] to keep it up Shep Titian [09:01] Do you use them all? Tor Karlsvalt [09:01] Um, I use them. I have been in LA with the same three parcels for more than a year, maybe two. Shep Titian [09:01] If we do that for Cedar we should look in general to change things Moonrise Azalee [09:02] Moonrise Azalee would still love to see a brand new look for LA if kept. Tor Karlsvalt [09:02] one parcel is only a fachwerk and prim parcel in NfS. Moonrise Azalee [09:02] Moonrise Azalee nods Tanoujin Milestone [09:03] sorry, my time is up. Thank you, great meeting. Moonrise Azalee [09:03] … if i may, people like to express their creativity and it can be difficult within the confines and be attractive to only certain groups of people. Not necessarily bad, but just difficult. Tor Karlsvalt [09:03] I might point out, that with a tier increase LA might support a large event space. Rosie Gray [09:03] Tan! Tor Karlsvalt [09:03] just throwing that out. Fern Leissa [09:03] Tan Moonrise Azalee [09:03] Sorry Tan.. and yes i have to get goign here sooon too. Callipygian Christensen [09:03] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand Tor Karlsvalt [09:03] done Shep Titian [09:03] Tan Pip Torok [09:03] i must go as well folks … see you all! Shep Titian [09:03] Calli Rosie Gray [09:03] Rosie Gray waves to Pip Moonrise Azalee [09:03] Pip Fern Leissa [09:04] [whispers] hair is still wet Calli Pip Torok [09:04]
Shep Titian [09:04] Pip Fern Leissa [09:04] Pip Tor Karlsvalt [09:04] Tor Karlsvalt gets coffee Callipygian Christensen [09:04] Personally I oppose tire increase. The surplus is there for this sort of thing – establish a wy to try to revive LA, set a date for it to work by or ot, then act accordingly, allowing the surplus to cover the shortfall in that time Moonrise Azalee [09:05] Moonrise Azalee nods Callipygian Christensen [09:05] Once before parcels were sold with no cost for land..just 3 months tier as first payment.. Shep Titian [09:06] Likes it when the Dean speaks sence Moonrise Azalee [09:06] Moonrise Azalee nods in agreement Tor Karlsvalt [09:06] Tor Karlsvalt nods, that was a special arrangement and one I took advantage of when I bought me first parcel. Shep Titian [09:06] Thank you Calli Callipygian Christensen [09:06] Callipygian Christensen is speking as Calli Fern Leissa [09:06] Fern Leissa raises hand Rosie Gray [09:06] Rosie Gray likes Calli’s idea Callipygian Christensen [09:06] Tor..me too..in LA as a matter of fact Tor Karlsvalt [09:07] Tor Karlsvalt notes also that land prices at the time were way out of proportion to reality. Shep Titian [09:07] Ok we can agree a date while we are here Callipygian Christensen [09:07] many many estates now folow the X months of tier, no actual cost of land model Tor Karlsvalt [09:08] Tor Karlsvalt nods Callipygian Christensen [09:08] ok..I am off to be a witness at a wedding..later everyone! Fern Leissa [09:08] Calli Tor Karlsvalt [09:08] Callie Shep Titian [09:08] Yes I agree Calli .. you don’t see them with a cost to buy these days Moonrise Azalee [09:09] Calli Tor Karlsvalt [09:09] Ms. LRA, would you rather have my statement just posted to the forum? Shep Titian [09:10] Ok we’re down to two .. so lets get this wound up .. I will take this to the forum .. will start it up .. and we keep it on agenda until a decision is made Moonrise Azalee [09:10] Aye Shep Titian [09:11] Aye Tor Karlsvalt [09:12] oh sorry Shep Titian [09:12] Yay Tor Karlsvalt [09:12]
[09:13] Oh ok, it is long and I was going to post it to the forum anyway. Shep Titian [09:13] Yes its meant to go there first Tor Karlsvalt [09:13] ok Shep Titian [09:13] It goes forum/ amend if needed / to RA Widget Whiteberry [09:13] Widget Whiteberry bio break …. will read up shortly Tor Karlsvalt [09:14] ok Shep Titian [09:14] Ok so will you post it formally and then we can ratify next meeting Tor Karlsvalt [09:15] ok Rosie Gray [09:15] have to go all… now Shep Titian [09:15] lovely Tor Karlsvalt [09:15] Roise Moonrise Azalee [09:15] Rosie Tor Karlsvalt [09:15] Rosie Shep Titian [09:15] Rosie hun thanks for coming Moonrise Azalee [09:15] Does it have to be this month? Shep Titian [09:15] Ok Birch .. next meeting Moonrise Azalee [09:16] Moonrise Azalee looks over at Tor Shep Titian [09:16] Sat 3rd August? Tor Karlsvalt [09:16] It would be nice to resolve a tier issue this month. Moonrise Azalee [09:17] Sat 3rd August works for me.. i am gone from the 22nd til the end of the month for July Shep Titian [09:17] Well Atm you have 3-4 nays Tor Karlsvalt [09:17] Tor Karlsvalt marks his Calendar. Moonrise Azalee [09:18] Can we make it 8am or does it need to be 7? 7 is a smidge too early :/ Shep Titian [09:18] So if you push it I think you’d lose Tor Karlsvalt [09:18] Tor Karlsvalt reflects on the power of the purse. Shep Titian [09:18] Lets do 8 am hun Moonrise Azalee [09:18] Moonrise Azalee smiles Shep Titian [09:18] this was a long meeting today Moonrise Azalee [09:18] Hell yeah Tor Karlsvalt [09:18] yes, but a good one Shep Titian [09:19] Yep .. Fern Leissa [09:19] Agreed Tor Karlsvalt [09:19] I think it ed to frame some of the issues. Moonrise Azalee [09:19] Moonrise Azalee nods Tor Karlsvalt [09:19] the Cedar meeting must be over. Jon logged. Shep Titian [09:20] Yes Tor .. oh I should ask Tor do you want to give any statement atm? Tor Karlsvalt [09:20] haha Shep Titian [09:20] ๏ฟผ Tor Karlsvalt [09:20] Well it was a long one, I could do it now or post it Shep Titian [09:20] Does it need a vote? Tor Karlsvalt [09:22] hmmm, well maybe the part relating to a proposed tier increase. Perhaps that should just be included in the agenda for next meeting. Shep Titian [09:22] Yes .. we’re not quorate now Tor Karlsvalt [09:22] I could just add something about SL10 Shep Titian [09:23] Yes good go ahead .. you have the floor Tor Karlsvalt [09:23] Thanks Widget Whiteberry [09:24] Widget Whiteberry makes a note to see that exhibit … in lag free environment Moonrise Azalee [09:25] Moonrise Azalee nods and makes a similar note Tor Karlsvalt [09:25] I would also, like to thank you all for a very good RA meeting today. Thanks to Shep for running it very well. Moonrise Azalee [09:25] Moonrise Azalee claps Tor Karlsvalt [09:25] done Fern Leissa [09:25] clap clap clap thank you Shep! Shep Titian [09:25] Aww shoot thx Tor Karlsvalt [09:25]
Shep Titian [09:25] Keep the old girl onside! ๏ฟผ Moonrise Azalee [09:25]
Shep Titian [09:26] hehehehehehehehehehe Tor Karlsvalt [09:26]
Widget Whiteberry [09:26] nope Moonrise Azalee [09:26] nada Shep Titian [09:26] Ok I propose we adjourn Moonrise Azalee [09:27] i second that Shep Titian [09:27] Vote .. aye Moonrise Azalee [09:27] AYE 03 August 2013 Transcript of RA Meeting CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:14] me Tanoujin Milestone [08:14] hehehe Ranma Tardis [08:14] laughs Callipygian Christensen [08:15] You could call the meeting to order and handle the admin thngs, then turn it over to Shep on arrival Tanoujin Milestone [08:15] Would be fun, but I guess it is unconstitutional CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:15] .kidding Tanoujin Milestone [08:15] Ranma? Would you like to? Ranma Tardis [08:15] sure Tanoujin Milestone [08:15] Birch, is that okay? Moonrise Azalee [08:16] Sure. i have rl waking up all around me and would not be a good choice Tanoujin Milestone [08:16] okay. Please proceed, dear Ranma Callipygian Christensen [08:16] If anyone needs the agenda its in yesterday’s notice or IM me and Ill dropit in your window Ranma Tardis [08:17] first the formal vote Tanoujin Milestone [08:17] thank you Calli Ranma Tardis [08:17] so if you will please vote yes or no for me to be speaker pro temp Moonrise Azalee [08:17] yes Ranma Tardis [08:18] yes Tanoujin Milestone [08:18] I move to let Ranma chair the meeting until the LRA or pro Tempore arrives Moonrise Azalee [08:18] i second Ranma Tardis [08:18] vote please Tanoujin Milestone [08:18] aye Moonrise Azalee [08:18] aye Ranma Tardis [08:18] ok that being done I call the meeting to order Tanoujin Milestone [08:20] raises hand Ranma Tardis [08:20] go ahead Tanoujin Milestone [08:20] I would like to give you a Fairground committee report Ranma Tardis [08:21] ok but first we need to follow the scrip Tanoujin Milestone [08:21] sure Ranma Tardis [08:21] I move we adopt the agenda Moonrise Azalee [08:21] second Ranma Tardis [08:21] vote please Tanoujin Milestone [08:21] aye Moonrise Azalee [08:21] aye Ranma Tardis [08:21] aye CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:22] wb Ranma Tardis [08:22] who wants to speak on todays topics? Fern Leissa [08:22] ty Callipygian Christensen [08:22] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand Soro Dagostino [08:22] Soro raises hand. Delia Lake [08:23] Delia Lake raises her hand Widget Whiteberry [08:23] Widget Whiteberry raises her hand Covey Homewood [08:23] covey raises her hand Lilith Ivory [08:23] Lilith Ivory waves hi Tor Karlsvalt [08:23] brb Ranma Tardis [08:24] okies noted Delia Lake [08:25] Rosie may wish to but she just came inworld Ranma Tardis [08:25] you will have a chance to speak when the new business Tor Karlsvalt [08:26] b Covey Homewood [08:26] I’m not sure what that means” “any citizen concerns” Ranma Tardis [08:26] any citizen Alexia Carnell [08:26] yes some concerns about anarchy in LA Ranma Tardis [08:26] please go on Alexia Carnell [08:27] i just notice that anybody can build whatever wherever he wants and i frankly do NOT like it Callipygian Christensen [08:27] Covey – general concerns about CDS that may not be covered in agenda items Alexia Carnell [08:27] and i have nothing else to add Tanoujin Milestone [08:27] me raises hand Ranma Tardis [08:27] please continue Tanoujin Milestone [08:28] may I? Ranma Tardis [08:28] yes Alexia Carnell [08:28] i propose to abolish covenants in LA and make it a sandbox so we’ll all be happy Trebor Warcliffe [08:28] Tuscany Tor Karlsvalt [08:28] Raises Hand Tanoujin Milestone [08:28] Alexia, your concern has been adressed. The Mosque will be boxed and replaced by a temple. The rest is for our private converstation, i think done Covey Homewood [08:28] Who are you referring to Alexia? Ranma Tardis [08:29] Covey please wait your turn Alexia Carnell [08:29] i ‘m not referring to anybody Callipygian Christensen [08:29] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand Alexia Carnell [08:29] which appear to be totally unuseful Ranma Tardis [08:29] anything else? Alexia Carnell [08:29] strict or large CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:30] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises her hand too Alexia Carnell [08:30] i am finished Ranma Tardis [08:30] Callipygian your turn Tor Karlsvalt [08:32] Raises hand CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:33] Enforcing the covenents of CDS is one of the major duties of the chancellor. If we do not like how the current chancellor makes decisions it seems we should deal with the chancellor directly and then make note of how the chancellor chooses to use his or her power, and their ability to implement the rules fairly and with good sense. Then, remember when you VOTE or when you choose not to run for chancellor next term. Ranma Tardis [08:33] you are next Tor CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:33] Do not keep electing a chancellor if you do not like how they use their power. Ranma Tardis [08:34] hobo camp? Tanoujin Milestone [08:34] Tanoujin Milestone takes another note Lilith Ivory [08:34] Lilith Ivory laughs CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:34] the hobo camp in Locus Trebor Warcliffe [08:34] I vote for pink underwear Moonrise Azalee [08:34] Moonrise Azalee grins CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:34] its more roman Lilith Ivory [08:34] may we have blue and white one? Ranma Tardis [08:34] ok Tor your turn CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:34] ๏ฟผ Tor Karlsvalt [08:34] Thank you Cleo for the early campain speech. Trebor Warcliffe [08:34] @ Tor CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:34] I am not running Widget Whiteberry [08:34] Widget Whiteberry snickers Tor Karlsvalt [08:35] Regarding the mosque Ranma Tardis [08:35] yes Trebor Warcliffe [08:35] Chancellor Cleo does have a nice ring to it hehe Callipygian Christensen [08:35] my turn.ok Tor Karlsvalt [08:35] I remind the group that we are not a rp sim Callipygian Christensen [08:36] Alexia, or anyone for that matter with knowledge of architecture and history, I am sure any Chancellor would appreciate in reviewing builds for covenant compliance. Perhaps meeting with him, since it is currently Tor, to address builds that are a concern so he can start a process of dealing with them done Tor Karlsvalt [08:37] I think that is basically what people have been pushing for with all these variances. Ranma Tardis [08:37] ok Call Tor Karlsvalt [08:38] I remind the group also, that other chancellors have allowed variances to a far greater degree. I think Cleo had an Egyptian build for quite some time. Ariel Lancaster, of Cedar Island, LA Please join me in welcoming our new citizens. Alexia Carnell [08:38] Alexia Carnell raises hand CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises her hand again Tor Karlsvalt [08:38] Many are here now, Welcome. CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:38] Ceasar does not own land in NFS Tanoujin Milestone [08:38] Welcome, yes ๏ฟผ Ranma Tardis [08:38] Call do you have anything more? Lilith Ivory [08:39] welcome all new citizens Tor Karlsvalt [08:39] no, Ranma CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:39] CLEOPATRA Xigalia does raise hand .. Delia Lake [08:39] Here here, welcome to all our new citizens! Soro Dagostino [08:39] WOOOOOT!!!! Trebor Warcliffe [08:39] Yes indeed welcome one and all!!! Ranma Tardis [08:39] Ok Cleo please continue Callipygian Christensen [08:39] welcome new citizens! Ranma Tardis [08:40] yes welcome! Callipygian Christensen [08:40] (and welcome back in some cases CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:40] thank you for the snide remarks, and yes i had an egyptian thing in la years ago…. 2.. What is the legal action that needs to be taken to change the covenents not just interpret Ranma Tardis [08:40] Cleo you have the floor Covey Homewood [08:40] forgot to include Imper Fegte from Cedar Island CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:40] fern do you know what it takes to change covenents ? Tor Karlsvalt [08:41] Tor Karlsvalt laughs at the question Ranma Tardis [08:41] moving on CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:41] tor you are making a jerk of yourself love. Ranma Tardis [08:42] Ms Xigalia no personal attacks during the meeting Alexia Carnell [08:42] Please you all stop personal attacks – we are here to talk about LA CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand Ranma Tardis [08:42] one last time Alexia Carnell [08:42] Alexia Carnell raises hand Ranma Tardis [08:43] I remind people to be civil to each other Delia Lake [08:43] Delia Lake volunteers to work with the Chancellor to propose modified/updated covenants for the sims CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:43] 1/ if you read back I was attacked first… 2/ asking how the covenents get changed is a legitimatequestion Ranma Tardis [08:44] this is not grade school Alexia Carnell [08:44] Gettin back to LA… i suggest we ask Sudane’s opinion on how they manage good quality in new england sims. There the resuklts are bright. Loosening covenants in LA will not be a solution. Ranma Tardis [08:44] okies moving to new business Alexia Carnell [08:45] finished Ranma Tardis [08:45] the Budget Tor Karlsvalt [08:45] Thanks Ranma Tardis [08:46] oh backing up RA members Tanoujin Milestone [08:46] Hi Shep Delia Lake [08:46] hi Shep Ranma Tardis [08:46] Hi Shep Moonrise Azalee [08:46] Shep! Tor Karlsvalt [08:46] I can only say that I think we will actually be better off this quarter than in past quarters. Soro Dagostino [08:46] Hello Shep . . . Alexia Carnell [08:46] Welcome Shep Shep Titian [08:46] I am sooooo sorry .. RL Tanoujin Milestone [08:46] We voted to let Ranma chair until you arrive Tor Karlsvalt [08:46] I hope all were able to review the budget. Ranma Tardis [08:46] forgot to finish old business Tanoujin Milestone [08:47] I suggest you let her finish the point or take over with start of new business Ranma Tardis [08:47] so hold one, after this will yied the chair to Shep Tor Karlsvalt [08:47] that is all. Callipygian Christensen [08:47] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand for when discussion starts Tor Karlsvalt [08:47] done Ranma Tardis [08:47] I have a concern about the mosque Shep Titian [08:47] OK I’m having problems with flashing blocks of colour I have to relogg Soro Dagostino [08:48] Soro Dagostino raises hand Widget Whiteberry [08:48] pt of information, please provide context on ‘mosque’ issue Fern Leissa [08:48] Fern Leissa raises hand Ranma Tardis [08:48] religious freedom is more important that the convedants Shep Titian [08:48] Better Ranma Tardis [08:49] we need to be respectful of all religions Tanoujin Milestone [08:49] Hi Bags Shep Titian [08:49] OK have you all got an agenda? Ranma Tardis [08:49] any other RA concerns? Bagheera Kristan [08:49] hi Fern Leissa [08:49] Hi Bags Ranma Tardis [08:49] I yield the chair to you Madame LRA Tanoujin Milestone [08:50] not from me Shep Titian [08:50] Thank you Ranma Alexia Carnell [08:50] I want a bufddhist Gompa Tor Karlsvalt [08:50]
CLEOPATRA Xigalia [08:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hands Moonrise Azalee [08:51] Perhaps Shep may need a moment to scroll upwards Alexia Carnell [08:51] my religion is not represented Shep Titian [08:51] Ok … No old business today so on to new business Alexia Carnell [08:51] and a christian orthodox church Shep Titian [08:51] Budget .. have you all had a chance to read it? Tanoujin Milestone [08:51] yes, I had. Moonrise Azalee [08:52] Yes Ranma Tardis [08:52] yes Tanoujin Milestone [08:52] I move to ratify it Ranma Tardis [08:52] second Shep Titian [08:53] I think it’s all pretty clear .. I propose we ratify the chancellors budget withoput change Callipygian Christensen [08:53] Callipygian Christensen riases her hand Ranma Tardis [08:53] we have a motion on the floor Shep Titian [08:53] Tan you have to allow for my slow typing Ranma Tardis [08:54]
Tanoujin Milestone [08:54] but it is the same, i withdraw and second Shep’s Shep Titian [08:54] THank you! Ranma Tardis [08:54] aye Tanoujin Milestone [08:54] aye Shep Titian [08:54] aye Moonrise Azalee [08:54] aye Widget Whiteberry [08:55] Widget Whiteberry when it’s appropriate, I have a comment about ‘respecting religions’ Shep Titian [08:55] Tor it’s ratified well done Widget Whiteberry [08:55] And well done, Ranma, very well done Callipygian Christensen [08:56] Callipygian Christensen waves her hand Ranma Tardis [08:56]
Shep Titian [08:56] WE can ass that at the end Widget .. citizens concerns would have been the place Callipygian Christensen [08:58] Callipygian Christensen coughs and waves again Shep Titian [08:59] LA … the chancellor has asked me to propose RA direct the guild to redesign and carry out the works of redesigning LA .. there is a list of guidelines .. and the chjancellor wishes any design approved by RA before work begins Fern Leissa [08:59] Fern Leissa raises hand Tor Karlsvalt [09:00] just for info: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4068 Shep Titian [09:00] Calli Callipygian Christensen [09:00] thankyou Shep – this relates to the budget Shep Titian [09:02] Yes no problem Fern Leissa [09:03] ty Tanoujin Milestone [09:05] Committe report after new business, Fern Fern Leissa [09:05] Once the changes were voted on Ranma Tardis [09:05] raises hand CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand Shep Titian [09:06] That is a question I have for the SC .. whose remit is the land desgn? Delia Lake [09:06] /raises her hand Shep Titian [09:06] Ranma Callipygian Christensen [09:07] land design falls to the guild or whomever is tasked to do so, after RA appproves any major change Ranma Tardis [09:07] had thought Tor was part of the committee and this is their plan? is it? Callipygian Christensen [09:07] The Chancellor cannot change a theme, RA does that, which is why Tor has brought this to RA I am guessing Tor Karlsvalt [09:07] Raises hand. Tanoujin Milestone [09:07] me raises hand Shep Titian [09:07] Good thank you CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:08] I am curious… if fern is correct, If the chancellor steps out of bounds, what happens? then is it the matter of the SC , or does the RA empeach Callipygian Christensen [09:08] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand Shep Titian [09:08] Tan after Delia CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:08] done.. scratching head Shep Titian [09:08] Calli after Tan Delia Lake [09:09] following on what Calli said, Shep Titian [09:10] Cleo .. with everyone watching him I’m sure he would’nt dare ๏ฟผ Delia Lake [09:10] in the past proposals wer brought to the guild, the Guild made detailed plans and those were voted by the RA CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia winks at shep Delia Lake [09:10] re sim design Tor Karlsvalt [09:10] brb coffee Shep Titian [09:10] Yes DElia he asks us to ok the design Tor Karlsvalt [09:11] b Delia Lake [09:11] that is because it is up to the Guild to decide if a design is technically doable Shep Titian [09:11] Tan Tanoujin Milestone [09:11] i withdraw Shep Titian [09:11] Calli CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand again Shep Titian [09:11] After Calli Cleo Callipygian Christensen [09:12] I’ve expressed some concerns about the breadth of the timeframe and vaguenss of theme here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4068#p20615 Tor Karlsvalt [09:12] Tor Karlsvalt notes he raised his hand at 9:07:58 Callipygian Christensen [09:12] once again, sounding like a broken record, please consider Tuscany as a thme, or some other theme that allows simple, understandable and enforcable covenants – done Shep Titian [09:12] Sorry Tor Tor Karlsvalt [09:13] np Shep Titian [09:13] Cleo please allow Tor as I missed him Tor Karlsvalt [09:13] My plan is on the forum at viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4068 Shep Titian [09:14] Well maybe they could be put out somewhere Fern Leissa [09:14] Fern Leissa raises hand Tor Karlsvalt [09:14] It has always been my undersdtanding that the Guild is merely hired by the RA and that the RA mus approve any final plan for LA. Shep Titian [09:15] Fern after Cleo CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:15] Is it appropriate to ask for a review of proper procedure before the L A project goes forward ? maybe a committee or what ever way makes sense to make sure the procedures are known understood and followed ? Tanoujin Milestone [09:15] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand (for real) Fern Leissa [09:15]
CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:15] we also have a new Citizen here just now, Carlo, who is new also to Locus Carlo Islar [09:15] thank you ? Fern Leissa [09:16] Welcome Carlo Tor Karlsvalt [09:16] Welcome Carlo Carlo Islar [09:16] ? Moonrise Azalee [09:16] Hello and welcome Carlo Shep Titian [09:16] Thank you Cleo .. I think what we are doing here goes to proper procveedure CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:16] Is it appropriate to ask for a review of proper procedure before the L A project goes forward ? maybe a committee or what ever way makes sense to make sure the procedures are known understood and followed ? Shep Titian [09:16] Fern Soro Dagostino [09:17] Soro Dagostino raises hand Shep Titian [09:17] Tan after Fern Fern Leissa [09:17] Tan first maybe? Tanoujin Milestone [09:17] okay— Shep Titian [09:17] Ok Tan Tanoujin Milestone [09:18] done, thanks Fern Leissa [09:18] kk…me next I think Shep Titian [09:18] Fern Fern Leissa [09:18] I want to say again that I think this is an ra matter not guild.. the ra must decide the theme Shep Titian [09:18] Yes Fern I was aware Rosie Gray [09:18] Rosie Gray raises hand Shep Titian [09:19] Cleo CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:19] Is it appropriate to ask for a review of proper procedure before the L A project goes forward ? maybe a committee or what ever way makes sense to make sure the procedures are known understood and followed ? Alexia Carnell [09:19] Alexia Carnell raises hand Shep Titian [09:19] After Cleo Rosie Soro Dagostino [09:19] Soro Dagostino raises hand Tor Karlsvalt [09:19] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand. Shep Titian [09:20] Sorry Soro I missed yopu Soro Dagostino [09:20] kk Shep Titian [09:20] Rosie Rosie Gray [09:20] I agree that the RA needs to ratify the theme and covenant before the Guild starts to develop the propposal based on it Shep Titian [09:21] Soro Alexia Carnell [09:21] Alexia Carnell raises hand again [09:19] Alexia Carnell raises hand Soro Dagostino [09:21] I would provide a point of information. This procedure was reviewed in depth, to the point of a SC review Several terms ago. Shep Titian [09:21] Sorry Alexia .. Tor I’m bumping you one Tor Karlsvalt [09:22] np Soro Dagostino [09:22] The Rules were changed to provide the RA approval of the suggestions of a NGO — the then Guild. CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia listens to soro Tor Karlsvalt [09:22] I was going to yield if you didn’t Shep Titian [09:22]
Soro Dagostino [09:23] Done Shep Titian [09:23] Alexia Alexia Carnell [09:23] I’m totally ignorant about procedures. But please dont stuck in procedures. Ranma Tardis [09:24] raises hand Shep Titian [09:24] Thank you Alexia Tor Karlsvalt [09:24] Thanks Shep Titian [09:24] Ran after Tor CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand Delia Lake [09:24] hi josjoha josjoha Resident#http://mbprofile:46d57f91-c823-4875-be4e-4bb2ba63e17d&josjoha Resident [09:25] heyyyy : ) Shep Titian [09:25] Cleo after Ran Tor Karlsvalt [09:25] In that vein I would like to modify my proposal to make the theme Tuscany Tanoujin Milestone [09:25] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand Fern Leissa [09:25] Fern Leissa raises hand Tor Karlsvalt [09:25] I think however we should make the time period broad enfough to include ancient through about mid 20th century Moonrise Azalee [09:26] Moonrise Azalee raises hand Callipygian Christensen [09:26] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand Delia Lake [09:26] Delia Lake raises her hand Ranma Tardis [09:26] Okies my turn Shep Titian [09:26] Ran CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:26] I think having a clearly written theme would be something that should be put on the forum and discussed before we go forward now with a vote.. just hoping Tor Karlsvalt [09:26] Welcome Josjoha Widget Whiteberry [09:26] Widget Whiteberry likes the idea of a broad time period josjoha Resident#http://mbprofile:46d57f91-c823-4875-be4e-4bb2ba63e17d&josjoha Resident [09:26] ty Tor Ranma Tardis [09:27] what people forget is the CDS is an exercise in representional democracy first and lsst. It was not intended to be a place of only high quality builds Shep Titian [09:27] Tan then Fern Birch Ranma Tardis [09:28] while quality is important we have let the cart drag the horse Shep Titian [09:28] missed Cleo Tanoujin Milestone [09:28] I was about to move we adopt Tor’s proposal but define the theme as “tuscany” with a time frame “post-Roman to the end of the 19th century (or pre-WWI)”. Does the time frame need more discussion? Dome Ranma Tardis [09:28] the main theme is a place of citizen empowerment. CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:28] CLEOPATRA Xigalia agrees with Tan. Delia Lake [09:28] Delia Lake notes that Shep missed Delia too Ranma Tardis [09:29] not the perfect theme in the only high quality builds CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:29] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand.. Shep Titian [09:29] Cleo CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:29] CLEOPATRA Xigalia passes Ranma Tardis [09:29] while standards are important democracy must rule the day Fern Leissa [09:29] Fern Leissa raises hand Tor Karlsvalt [09:29] Tor Karlsvalt thinks Tan’s proposal is good. Ranma Tardis [09:29] thank you\ Shep Titian [09:29] OK Lilith Ivory [09:29] Lilith Ivory thinks so too Shep Titian [09:30] Have a free for all Alexia Carnell [09:30] Alexia Carnell wonders what “tuscany” means (knowing the RL region very well) Tanoujin Milestone [09:30] any speakers? I will place the move when LRA calls me. Silent now Shep Titian [09:31] I would like a voice myself Fern Leissa [09:31] ? Soro Dagostino [09:31] Sorry folk, like to stay, but RL calls. Rosie Gray [09:31] Rosie Gray raises hand Fern Leissa [09:31] Soro Callipygian Christensen [09:31] Alexia – my original suggestion is here, along with links viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4062&p=20594#p20594 Shep Titian [09:31] We have done nothing for months but bemoan the state of LA CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand.. again Shep Titian [09:32] Tor IS doing it the right way Ranma Tardis [09:32] nods Fern Leissa [09:32] Fern Leissa raises hand Shep Titian [09:33] RA has to approver .. BUT Tor you can’t decide the theme .. RA does that Tanoujin Milestone [09:35] 7me looks at her hand Ranma Tardis [09:35] claps Rosie Gray [09:35] Rosie Gray looks at her hand too Shep Titian [09:35] Ok taking hands up from now Tanoujin Milestone [09:35] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand Shep Titian [09:35] Tan Tanoujin Milestone [09:35] I move we adopt Tor’s proposal but define the theme as “tuscany” with a time frame “post-Roman to the end of the 19th century (or pre-WWI)” Moonrise Azalee [09:35] Moonrise Azalee raises hand Fern Leissa [09:35] Fern Leissa raises hand Rosie Gray [09:35] Rosie Gray keeps her hand raised Shep Titian [09:35] I second Tanoujin Milestone [09:36]
[09:37] fine, withdrawing a third time today – improve it… let us have a result Shep Titian [09:37] Lets get this done right .. I propose we the RA instruct the Guild to make plans to redesign LA in a Tuscan themne .. and to do the woprk once the design is approved by RA Ranma Tardis [09:38] second Moonrise Azalee [09:38] i second Tanoujin Milestone [09:38] time frame, Shep? Moonrise Azalee [09:38] Moonrise Azalee grins Fern Leissa [09:38] Fern Leissa pulls hair out and raises hand Shep Titian [09:38] ASAP Tanoujin Milestone [09:38] of the theme Shep Titian [09:38] one minute FErn Ranma Tardis [09:38] point of order we have a motion on the floor Shep Titian [09:38] Vote Ranma Tardis [09:38] aye Shep Titian [09:38] Aye Moonrise Azalee [09:39] aye Tanoujin Milestone [09:39] aye Carlo Islar [09:39] stands from voting Ranma Tardis [09:39] claps Lilith Ivory [09:39] yay! Rosie Gray [09:39]
Tanoujin Milestone [09:39] no timeframe, we will regret that Shep Titian [09:39] Tor! exxciting times ahead !!!!! Ranma Tardis [09:39] do not think so Shep Titian [09:39] Fern Callipygian Christensen [09:40] point of order..is that vote on Tan’s motion, ? (Shep’s comments being a second motion to follow? Fern Leissa [09:40] You still need to write something out. The specifics of the covenant need to go in the About Land tab. I believe that is the ra’s job. Tanoujin Milestone [09:40] I withdrew the motion Rosie Gray [09:40] Rosie Gray agrees with Fern Fern Leissa [09:40] If it’s not clear… then this debate will just continue to give us headaches Tor Karlsvalt [09:41] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand Ranma Tardis [09:41] raises hand Rosie Gray [09:41] Rosie Gray keeps hand raised Fern Leissa [09:41] done Shep Titian [09:41] Rosie Rosie Gray [09:41] thank you Shep Callipygian Christensen [09:41] Callipygian Christensen s Moonrise Azalee [09:41] Moonrise Azalee withdraws hand Rosie Gray [09:41] I really think that the RA needs to set specifics for the covenants Delia Lake [09:42] Delia Lake raises her most invisible hand Lilith Ivory [09:42] Lilith Ivory raises hand Delia Lake [09:42] again Shep Titian [09:42] DElia then CAlli Rosie Gray [09:42] but I think that a committee could report back next RA meeting with specifics Shep Titian [09:43] The word committe is so damn depressing Delia Lake [09:43] covenants and redesign need to fit together. developing 1 without consideration of the other would be a big mistake imo, and make each much more difficult Tor Karlsvalt [09:43]
Rosie Gray [09:43] I’d like to also have that clarified a bit more CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:43] here here Delia Tor Karlsvalt [09:43] Tor Karlsvalt remembers raising his hand. Rosie Gray [09:44] so that the guild can get down to a hard proposal on development and not have to worry about the covenants being too vague Shep Titian [09:44] Calli then Tor Callipygian Christensen [09:44] I request that Tanoujin make a motion to add the timeframe back in, and that while the guild is working on a design,someone be tasked with drafting appropriate covenants Tanoujin Milestone [09:45] okay with me, a moment please… Shep, do you have objections? Shep Titian [09:46] My personal view on Covenants is you find a design that people might want to live in and work the covenants to fit the design Tor Karlsvalt [09:46] Thanks Callie/shep, I agree with Delia and Rosie. Tanoujin Milestone [09:46] Suggestion to be discussed: “I propose we the RA instruct the Guild to make plans to redesign LA in a Tuscan theme with a time frame “post-Roman to the end of the 19th century (or pre-WWI)”, and to draft a covenant fitting to that theme .. and to do the woprk once the design is approved by RA. ” Shep Titian [09:47] Tor speak Tor Karlsvalt [09:47] Ok thanks CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia wonders if a castle would fit pre WWI theme Shep Titian [09:47] I second Rosie Gray [09:48] Rosie Gray wonders why the starting point is post-Roman Alexia Carnell [09:48] i dont understand Tor Karlsvalt [09:48] This suggestion would work. I was going to point out that earlier Delia thought She and I could work together on covenants. Or the RA could have a commission. Or the Guild could probably have a committee. Shep Titian [09:48] OH dear .. CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:48] 1914? Tor Karlsvalt [09:48] We could do any of those routes. Alexia Carnell [09:49] iah uh i suppose i have to remove the Time Machine Tanoujin Milestone [09:49] Tanoujin Milestone is getting a headache Ranma Tardis [09:49] move we table the vote Tor Karlsvalt [09:49] I think the time machine could stay imo Shep Titian [09:49] Just chage the exterior textures Alexia Alexia Carnell [09:49] Alexia Carnell raises hand Callipygian Christensen [09:49] to tie-in with CN and not lose the original history of LA completely Tor Karlsvalt [09:50] Tor Karlsvalt notes that ancient might be a better term than post-roman Bagheera Kristan [09:50] oh this is bad *Bagheera mutters under her breath* Tanoujin Milestone [09:50] i second Ranma’s move to table the motion CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:50] really bad. Shep Titian [09:50] VBote Tanoujin Milestone [09:50] aye Ranma Tardis [09:50] aye Shep Titian [09:50] Aye Moonrise Azalee [09:50] aye Shep Titian [09:51] Passed CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:51] they had skyscrapers then alexia ! Shep Titian [09:51] Can we all treat this as fun Tanoujin Milestone [09:51] the motion to table the motion has passed? Moonrise Azalee [09:51] it would appear Ranma Tardis [09:51] lets move to the last point of business Tanoujin Milestone [09:51] fine Rosie Gray [09:51] Rosie Gray is confused CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:51] 12 story buildings in 1914 in tuscany Shep Titian [09:52] Cleo you are being silly Tor Karlsvalt [09:52] Tor Karlsvalt is sure that we can keep a height limit on builds. CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:52] C just looked it up Shep Titian [09:52] RA has final say CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:52] great ! Shep Titian [09:52] you think we’d allow that? Moonrise Azalee [09:52] i think we voted to table the motion CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:53] 1914 had huge factories too Callipygian Christensen [09:53] Cleo..you might have commented on the Forums when this was all posted a week ago- as could any citizen concerned that the suggestions were not appropriate. Tanoujin Milestone [09:53] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand Tor Karlsvalt [09:53] Tor Karlsvalt very true josjoha Resident#http://mbprofile:46d57f91-c823-4875-be4e-4bb2ba63e17d&josjoha Resident [09:53] concurs with Cleo; industrial revolution was roaring a long time by 1914 CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:53] sorry Calli i was otherwise occupied .. seems the RA who voted should have researched what they voted on Tor Karlsvalt [09:53] Tor Karlsvalt sits on his hands. Ranma Tardis [09:54] Madame LRA can we move to the next item? Callipygian Christensen [09:54] And covenants can specify no factories, no skyscrapers..so I htink it a moot point. Ceasar Xigalia [09:54] Ceasar Xigalia rolls on the floor laughing Tor Karlsvalt [09:55] Tor Karlsvalt notes we are going on two hours. CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:55] you could allow things based on who builds them instead, thats easier. Moonrise Azalee [09:55]
Shep Titian [09:55] Ok lets move on Moonrise Azalee [09:55] Moonrise Azalee coughs.. i think this can all be dealt with Tanoujin Milestone [09:55] okay CLEOPATRA Xigalia [09:56] you said make it fun, shep Ceasar Xigalia [09:56] Ceasar Xigalia now hurts from laughing Shep Titian [09:56] OK the chancellor proposes an increasre in tier .. Tor would you like to speak? Tor Karlsvalt [09:56] Sure Shep Titian [09:56] Not ful Ceasar Tor Karlsvalt [09:56] The proposal has been on the forums for some time. Carlo Islar [09:57] raises hand Shep Titian [09:57] Carlo Tor Karlsvalt [09:57] As has been reported we have been running deficits for the last three terms. Callipygian Christensen [09:57] Callipygian Christensen ha s RL commitments..good day everyone! Carlo Islar [09:57] i wa amazed how cheap it is here Shep Titian [09:57] Calli Moonrise Azalee [09:57] Calli! Carlo Islar [09:57] done Moonrise Azalee [09:57]
Delia Lake [09:57] Delia Lake raises her hand Shep Titian [09:58] Thank you Carlo Tor Karlsvalt [09:58] The proposed increase is 0.0325 per prim for all sims but Monaster, which is currently higher than other sims. Widget Whiteberry [09:59] Widget Whiteberry listens Tor Karlsvalt [09:59] Although there are reasons to oppose an increase, I do not subscribe to merely living off the treasure built up by past residents. That seem a bad habit to get into. Moonrise Azalee [10:01] Moonrise Azalee raises hand Shep Titian [10:01] Birch Tor Karlsvalt [10:02] sorry here is the link to the proposed tier. Delia Lake [10:02] Delia Lake looks closely at her hand and wonders how come she can see it but no one else can CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia sees it Moonrise Azalee [10:02] I’ll just say i have read this at length in the forums and am opposed to a tier increase. I do not think that this encourages new residents. As for Sim expansion… i REALLY dont even want to think about that until well after we get LA dealt with. Shep Titian [10:03] Thank you Moonrise Azalee [10:03] Moonrise Azalee hears crickets…. sweet silence CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hers too Ranma Tardis [10:04] moves we approve Tors proposal to raise tier CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:04] we can readjust every term to meet our needs for teir, maybe that motivates us to go get new citizens interested and be nice to them . im ok to make the budget balanced .. it would be lower teir if we have more citizens Tanoujin Milestone [10:04] second CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:04]
[10:04] sorry Shep Titian [10:05] My own view is the reserves were built up to cover just such a situation we find ourselves in .. and I think we should use a bit for advertising as previously suggested by Calli Delia Lake [10:05] Delia Lake raises her hand and waves it around Ranma Tardis [10:05] we have a motion on the floor Shep Titian [10:05] I agree with Birch that increasing tier when other regions are giving some bargains is the wrong message Moonrise Azalee [10:06] Moonrise Azalee raises hand CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:06] make it temporary til we balance the budget. Delia Lake [10:06] I also am opposed to raising tier at this time Rosie Gray [10:06] Rosie Gray agrees with Birch and Delia Delia Lake [10:07] I do not see right now when we are working on a redesign of LA, and are bringing in new residents that raising tier will have a positive affect, and likely just the opposite Shep Titian [10:07] NBirch Moonrise Azalee [10:07] Moonrise Azalee waits to see when Delia is done Delia Lake [10:07] I agree with Shep that we need to spend some on advertizing, and I would also add to spend on events that draw new people to the sims Ranma Tardis [10:08] point of order we have a motion on the floor Tanoujin Milestone [10:08] and it was seconded Shep Titian [10:08] Hear hear Delia .. the event the other night was a good example Delia Lake [10:08] we cannot just be a place that people log into as home. we need to spend our efforts, and yes some money, cultivating a lively place to be Rosie Gray [10:09] Rosie Gray nods Moonrise Azalee [10:09] Moonrise Azalee nods CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia nods Tanoujin Milestone [10:09] [10:04] Ranma Tardis: moves we approve Tors proposal to raise tier Ranma Tardis [10:09] Tan seconded Tanoujin Milestone [10:09] [10:04] Tanoujin Milestone: second Moonrise Azalee [10:10] my comment can wait until after the vote Shep Titian [10:10] Vote Tanoujin Milestone [10:10] aye Moonrise Azalee [10:10] Nay Ranma Tardis [10:10] aye Shep Titian [10:10] Not carried Ranma Tardis [10:10] tie Shep Titian [10:10] Sorry Tor Tor Karlsvalt [10:10] Tor Karlsvalt do we have a seven day vote or Nolli? Tanoujin Milestone [10:11] Did Nolligan ask for a 7 day vote? CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia weeps Ranma Tardis [10:11] yes it is up to him Shep Titian [10:11] No he did’nt Tor Karlsvalt [10:11] np Shep Titian [10:11] No he did’nt Ranma Tardis [10:11] well it has to go to the sc Shep Titian [10:11] Why Tan? Tanoujin Milestone [10:12] i did not state that Tor Karlsvalt [10:12] I think a tie fails, unless there is a 7 day vote from Nolli Rosie Gray [10:12] all… RL calling Ranma Tardis [10:12] a tie vote is not a loss Tor Karlsvalt [10:12] by Rosie Moonrise Azalee [10:12] Rosie Delia Lake [10:12] ?? a tie doesn’t pass CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:12] up to Nolligan Delia, IM him and tell him your wishes everyone josjoha Resident#http://mbprofile:46d57f91-c823-4875-be4e-4bb2ba63e17d&josjoha Resident [10:12] Rosie Fern Leissa [10:13] Rosie Shep Titian [10:13] It is a loss because it was’nt carried Lilith Ivory [10:13] as Noli is on vacation and depends on an iphone he might have unexpected problems to log in Moonrise Azalee [10:13] he did not ask for a 7 day vote Shep Titian [10:13] He did not ask .. I spoke to him on Wednesday he was fine then Lilith Ivory [10:13] when I talked to him last he wanted to come to the meeting Ranma Tardis [10:14] the science council has to rule Shep Titian [10:14] He was .. last I heard .. against increase Delia Lake [10:14] I am late to return to rl duties. will stay inworld to catch the rest of the chat but will not really be here Moonrise Azalee [10:14] Why does SC have to rule? Shep Titian [10:14] Yes he did Lilith Ivory [10:14] why not just grant him a 7day vote Fern Leissa [10:14] Delia Ranma Tardis [10:14] because a tie is not a win or loss CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:14] why not vote next meeting ? Shep Titian [10:14] BUT there is no 7 day Tor Karlsvalt [10:15] The issue is still out there. We could motion that it be considered next meeting? Moonrise Azalee [10:15] exactly. no 7 day or HECK i culd have been voting on lots of stuff for all the meetings i missed, Delia Lake [10:15] fyi, the SC does not rule on tie votes of the RA Tor Karlsvalt [10:15] Yes I agree with Cleo Lilith Ivory [10:15] you could have indeed Birch Moonrise Azalee [10:15] but i had assumed Tor Karlsvalt [10:15] 7 day votes are in the rules Tanoujin Milestone [10:16] we discussed that last time with Callli. Let us look it up, RA procedures. Ranma Tardis [10:16] usually the Chancellor votes to break a tie Moonrise Azalee [10:16] Moonrise Azalee is tired Lilith Ivory [10:16] this is quite new to me Ranma Ranma Tardis [10:16] nods Lilith Ivory [10:17] but I used to grant 7day votes if a member could not come due to unexpected problems CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:17] at Ranma ! Shep Titian [10:17] Ok we’ll give Nolli a 7 day .. Tor Karlsvalt [10:17] I would rather have the issue tabled for next meeting or a 7 day vote for Nolli rather than arguments before the SC. Moonrise Azalee [10:18] Moonrise Azalee hopes to heck he isnt harassed by people wanting things one way or another CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:18] up to shep tor. Tor Karlsvalt [10:18] haha Ranma Tardis [10:18] we need to clean up the consitution in event of tie votes Moonrise Azalee [10:18] what is the rule for tie votes then? Tanoujin Milestone [10:19] a tie does not carry, like – who moves first loses Lilith Ivory [10:19] thatยดs why we have an unequal number of RA members and 7 day votes Tanoujin Milestone [10:19] From Procedures (Portal) 7-day vote Any member who is absent from a meeting can request a 7-day vote if they tell the LRA before the meeting. Shep Titian [10:20] Its not a tie though .. you two are 40% of the RA .. not enough to carry Moonrise Azalee [10:20] Moonrise Azalee nods Tanoujin Milestone [10:20] i am not arguing against you Shep, this might be surprising within CDS but it is a fact Moonrise Azalee [10:20] Moonrise Azalee grins Ranma Tardis [10:21] still we need a provision in the contitution Delia Lake [10:21] there is nothing in this to bring before the SC. The RA sets its own policies and procedures. unless the RA does something that abridges the rights of citizens or does something in conflict with the constitution, it is not an affair of the SC–and cannot be Ranma Tardis [10:21] consitution Tanoujin Milestone [10:21] Ranma, we should have waited until they move ๏ฟผ Delia Lake [10:21] that is very clear Tanoujin Milestone [10:21] we have defeated ourselves, Moonrise Azalee [10:21] Moonrise Azalee s Ranma Tardis [10:22] yes Shep Titian [10:22] He did’nt tell me he would’nt be here .. BUT I also know he’s only on his phone thios week .. so if I’m allowed I will give him a 7 day vote Ranma Tardis [10:22] nods Tanoujin Milestone [10:22] this would be very much appreciated, Shep Delia Lake [10:22] Delia Lake is no longer consciously in sl Ranma Tardis [10:22] yes! Tor Karlsvalt [10:23] sorry back, had a phone call Shep Titian [10:23] Ok Tor do you have any exec report to give Tor Karlsvalt [10:23] thanks Shep Titian [10:23]
Tor Karlsvalt [10:23] No, Tanoujin Milestone [10:23] (Committee report, Shep) Moonrise Azalee [10:23] Moonrise Azalee laughs Tor Karlsvalt [10:23] haah Shep Titian [10:23] hehehehe Tor Karlsvalt [10:23]
Tanoujin Milestone [10:24] I have a report to make Shep Titian [10:24] Yes Tan .. Fairground Committee report? CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand ! Tanoujin Milestone [10:24] Committee Report: The committee met on 2013-07-27. It stated there was no need to have a fairground. The executive should go on to direct temporary events to empty unsold parcels and public land as the Marktplatz, Schloss, the Docks, the Amphitheatre and LA harbor. The Amphitheatre parcel should not be used for fairs, the committee prefers the use of private unsold land here. The guild offers assistance and quality assurance for setting up temporary events out of covenant run by citizens. Summary: the Committee recommends to drop the topic and keep the established executive routines to handle events. Sidenotes: the Committee recommends to order the guild to redesign the Amphitheatre. Further it recommends to rewrite the Locus Amoenus covenant to cover rules for events and a change of the sim theme as already discussed. I move to make both items new business viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4066&p=20631#p20631 Shep Titian [10:24] Cleo Tor Karlsvalt [10:24] Tor Karlsvalt thinks we did rather well considering the issues. Tanoujin Milestone [10:24] done Shep Titian [10:25] Ok next meeting CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:26] i had something to say about fairground Shep Titian [10:26] Sorry Cleo CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:26] its ok Shep Titian [10:26] Go ahead Moonrise Azalee [10:26] August 17th CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:27] ill save it, its about events Shep Titian [10:27] Ok thank you Moonrise Azalee [10:28] Moonrise Azalee raises hand Shep Titian [10:28] Yes Birch August 17th is 8 am ok again? Moonrise Azalee [10:29] yes… and just wanted to say.. like.. we reprsent the people. what is good for everyone.. right? And i think we need to keep that in mind. Not just what is good for you, or me or whoever but for the general good of all.. its not a win/lose between us. it is honestly trying to consider what will make this place a more desirable place to live, work and play. Done Ranma Tardis [10:29] motion we adjourn until 17th Aug at 8am sl Tanoujin Milestone [10:29] second Ceasar Xigalia [10:30] Ceasar Xigalia claps for Birch Tanoujin Milestone [10:31] Yes, Birch, I agree. Do you think I am putting forward my personal agenda? Moonrise Azalee [10:31] no, i think we all do Shep Titian [10:31] Thank you Birch .. I agree completely Ranma Tardis [10:31] how does this profit me? Moonrise Azalee [10:31] while forgetting about trying to make this place a place people want to BE Shep Titian [10:31] Vote to adjorn Tanoujin Milestone [10:31] aye Ranma Tardis [10:31] aye CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:31] here here birch ! Moonrise Azalee [10:31] aye Shep Titian [10:31] Aye CLEOPATRA Xigalia [10:31] they are here for people not builds Ranma Tardis [10:32] oh thank you! Shep Titian [10:32] Yes Cleo but its both Moonrise Azalee [10:32] all people have different reasons. some for the look of a place, some for the community.. and we cant please all.. but its not like us against them Tanoujin Milestone [10:32] It is true what you say, Birch. But sometimes we need a majority decision 31 August 2013 RA Meeting Transcript 28 Sep 2013 RA Meeting Transcript Moonrise Azalee [08:04]
Pip Torok [08:04] not me Ranma Tardis [08:04] yes Moonrise Azalee [08:04] i don’t seem to WorkHorse – Meeting Recorder (Medieval Edition) Ludo Merit [08:05] Do we all touch that? WorkHorse – Meeting Recorder (Medieval Edition) Soro Dagostino [08:06] Hello Calli. Ludo Merit [08:06] I’m glad to see you’re still using that Callipygian Christensen [08:06] morning Soro, everyone Shep Titian [08:06] Hi Calli WorkHorse – Meeting Recorder (Medieval Edition) Shep Titian [08:06] notice out weith the agenda attached Moonrise Azalee [08:07] yes Shep Titian [08:07] good Ludo Merit [08:07] yes Shep Titian [08:07] ok Ranma Tardis [08:07] ya Shep Titian [08:08] And do we approve said agenda? Moonrise Azalee [08:08] aye Ranma Tardis [08:08] move to approve agenda Shep Titian [08:08] Aye Tor Karlsvalt [08:09] Hi Shep Moonrise Azalee [08:09] aye josjoha Resident [08:09] hi Tor Shep Titian [08:09] Tor do you have an exec staement today? Tor Karlsvalt [08:09] Sure Shep Titian [08:09] cool Tor Karlsvalt [08:10] Hi Jamie Shep Titian [08:10] Deathly hush means all is well Tor Karlsvalt [08:10]
Shep Titian [08:11] RA concerns? Jamie Palisades [08:11] First time I have heard THAT theory in 6 years or so josjoha Resident [08:11] josjoha Resident *muffled cough* Moonrise Azalee [08:11] Not from me Shep Titian [08:11] Ok Ranma Tardis [08:11] reserve the right for latter Tor Karlsvalt [08:11] Tor Karlsvalt hopes the murmurs from the dungeon are not head. josjoha Resident [08:12] ok, why not, perhaps we could discuss the temple-parcel in NFS shortly Pip Torok [08:12] ? Shep Titian [08:12] OK moving on .. Old business .. nothing being dealt wioth today Tor Karlsvalt [08:13] Hi Rosie! Welcome back. Shep Titian [08:13] New business .. Reminders or the next elections josjoha Resident [08:13] hey Rosie Pip Torok [08:13] hi rosie Rosie Gray [08:13] hi everyone Shep Titian [08:13] CValli I havec l;ifted your forum post as it has the relevant details I hope thats ok Callipygian Christensen [08:14] certainly Shep Titian [08:14] I would have asked had you been on Callipygian Christensen [08:14] Forum posts are public posts, no need to ask Shep Titian [08:15] Can I ask .. are any of you thinking of standing in the election? Tor Karlsvalt [08:15] Tor Karlsvalt looks down at his shoes. Jamie Palisades [08:15] To whom are you directing this question? Shep Titian [08:15] THe room Jamie josjoha Resident [08:15] me ??? oh no Pip Torok [08:16] Pip Torok thinks we need a little more notice of that question Shep Titian [08:16] I’m not standing next time Ludo Merit [08:16] I can’t get on the forum so I don’t know these ‘reminders’ Rosie Gray [08:16] ? Shep Titian [08:16] I’ve heard that Tan may be taking a break .. Nolli has no net coverage Rosie Gray [08:17] hi Shep Ranma Tardis [08:17] am reading the post Tor Karlsvalt [08:17] Nolli was able to get on yesterday for a short time. Pip Torok [08:17] can the meeting join me in thanking Shep for her har yet humorous handling of the difficult job of LRA? Moonrise Azalee [08:18] Moonrise Azalee can’t believe it’s that time again Shep Titian [08:18] How do I give you notice of a Question without telling you the question? Moonrise Azalee [08:18] Yes! Big thanks to you Shep Rosie Gray [08:18] absolutely, thank you Shep! Shep Titian [08:19] WEll thanks .. I’ve mostly enjoyed it Tor Karlsvalt [08:19] Tor Karlsvalt gives shep a hearty thanks and wishes best for the next two months. Jamie Palisades [08:19] Yes, thanks Shep. Hmm. I can’t quite tell, Mme. LRA, whether there are rules here for who speaks when, anymore — but it occurs to me that CDS rules are *not* very good at dealing with situations when a low number of candidates results in stalemate or stasis. Anyone working on that? Shep Titian [08:19]
Ranma Tardis [08:19] what about the post Shep? Callipygian Christensen [08:20] Jamie – other than the secret plan to declare me Empress for Life, no. Moonrise Azalee [08:20] Moonrise Azalee grins Tor Karlsvalt [08:20] haha Jamie Palisades [08:20] But you look GOOD in a tiara, Calli. josjoha Resident [08:20] Jamie: yes, I have just proposed a new Constitution for CDS on the forums Tor Karlsvalt [08:20] That was a secret plan? Soro Dagostino [08:20] Well, I thought you were? Jamie Palisades [08:20] ANyway, didn’t we already do that with Gwyn when she was the SC? Callipygian Christensen [08:20] I do indeed Shep Titian [08:20] OK .. back to business Jamie Palisades [08:20] It’s your classical features. Shep Titian [08:22] OK .. back to business Jamie Palisades [08:23] Not at all. I was rtting to respond to your questions. Is it not time for that? I would’;t want to be boring either. Ludo Merit [08:23] not me Jamie Palisades [08:23] Jamie Palisades sits back happily and waits politely Shep Titian [08:24] Oop too late Ranma Tardis [08:26] Well to be honest it has to do with American politics Jamie Palisades [08:26] Rosie Gray [08:27] Rosie Gray wonders why American politics have anything to do with the CDS Shep Titian [08:27] Only by asking last night did I discover she was coming .. but that left no time for business to be declared 24 hours in advance Ranma Tardis [08:27] the skinny is I do not want to act like a Tea Party Republican having a tantrum Shep Titian [08:28] I was explaining why this meeting is cobbled together Ranma Tardis [08:28] explaining why I am here Soro Dagostino [08:28] The issue really is one of finding a way to replace members of the RA who cannot fulfill their terms. Shep Titian [08:28] Moving on Jamie Palisades [08:29] Soro, you’d think that would be under discussion, yes Shep Titian [08:29] Now lag Soro Dagostino [08:29] In many groups, missing more than 3 meetings allows the body to replace the member. josjoha Resident [08:29] josjoha Resident notices this problem might not occur in proposed new election system Pip Torok [08:29] Pip Torok agrees with soro and wonders whether one reserve RA member might be the way to go … Soro Dagostino [08:30] Jos, what proposal. Jamie Palisades [08:30] Sorry, madame moderator or whatever – are we *talking* about that issue now or not? Shep Titian [08:30] Sorry my post has vanished it seems josjoha Resident [08:30] Soro: I’ve posted a Constitution for CDS on the forum, it has an election system where voters group and by having a minimum they immediately have one representative, and only one, that they can replace any moment (with apologies to the chair) Shep Titian [08:31] Ranma . would you like to open the discussion on Covenants? Jamie Palisades [08:31] (URL Link, josjoha?) josjoha Resident [08:32] ((franticly searching Jamie … sec … big thank u for interest !!)) Ranma Tardis [08:32] sure they have become so restrictive it takes a professional to have a chance of making an “approved” build. Shep Titian [08:32] Would you two like to talk in IM josjoha Resident [08:32] viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4114 (a Constitution) Ranma Tardis [08:33] the founding principles was that there was a lot of latitude in builds. It has to do with our principle of freedom josjoha Resident [08:33] (sorry chairman) Shep Titian [08:34] THx Jos Ranma Tardis [08:34] things have gotten so bad that the cds is becoming a showroom for content proveders and no a community Pip Torok [08:34] raises hand Jamie Palisades [08:34] Jamie Palisades chuckles. Me too. Raising hand. Shep Titian [08:35] Pip after Ran is done Ranma Tardis [08:35] I propose we change the language so strict interpretation is removed and we return to founding principles. Ludo Merit [08:35] Ludo Merit tentatively raises hand. Moonrise Azalee [08:35] raises hand Shep Titian [08:35] Pip then Jamie then Ludo Ranma Tardis [08:36] am done Pip Torok [08:37] I refute the assertion that a _professional_ is needed to read a covenant … to me they are clarity itself … and i assert that what ranma calls liberalisation wd result in a slummy and squalid mess .. Kowloon is a good example … done Shep Titian [08:37] Thank you Pip Jamie Palisades [08:38] thanks. Tor Karlsvalt [08:39] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand. Jamie Palisades [08:39] SHould that not be the focus of debate? Thanks, done. Shep Titian [08:40] Jos did I miss you? josjoha Resident [08:40] SHep: yes, but it’s ok, put me after Ludo & Tor is fine, thx : ) Shep Titian [08:40] SDorry Ludo he shoul;d have been first Ranma Tardis [08:40] raises hand Shep Titian [08:41] Ludo please Ludo Merit [08:42] I like the idea of themed sims. I am a good test case. I am not a professional builder. I just asked foir approval on NFS and expect to get it. My first effort was not approved and it conformed to what the covenant said in every particular. I was then told I had to use a fachwerk texture, and that is not in the covenant. I don’t object to themes but I do object to unwritten covenants. If my place is approved as it is now it would prove that it doesn’t take a pro to build something acceptable. Shep Titian [08:43] Thanks Ludo .. Jos then Tor josjoha Resident [08:44] On the general topic: I concur that covenants should be strict to create an harmonic atmosphere that is realistic; but all within reason (not to harp excessively on a wood/stone texture to be perfectly archeologically accurate). As an example of Covenant: there is a parcel in NFS (far side of town from here) in which someone has build a Greek god on a pole, with a temple and an amphitheater; these devices are not Bavarian-mid-eaval. If they would be there at all, they would probably be in ruins. Mid-eaval bavaria was strongly into the jesus religion at the time, ty. Perhaps Tor can enforce NFS Covenant on the parcel ? thanks done. Shep Titian [08:45] Thanks Jos Tor Karlsvalt [08:45] Since we are discussing covenants, I must say that I have always tried to strike a balance between strictness and freedom. IMO some of those who are most vocal on this have build building in bad faith only to cause controversy. And the community seems to let itself get drawn into public fights that are best handled privately. I do not refer to Ludo here. . Pip Torok [08:47] (hear hear!) Shep Titian [08:48] Thanks Tor .. Birch .. then Ran Jamie Palisades [08:48] Amen. It’s a tough job, and one not best done by pogrom. Rosie Gray [08:48] Rosie Gray nods josjoha Resident [08:49] Justice is best served in public, creating jurisprudence and transparency… Moonrise Azalee [08:50] I just wanted to say that I am definiitely not a pro, and my first two homes i built here in CN and in LA, I asked for lots of input from Rosie and others. I didn’t find it hard per sec but I did find a bit of confusion. I think that having somewhat of a ‘strict’ guideline , as long as enforced for all builds including ones from the past, is good for the over all area. I personally feel a very strong sense of community, you can tell by the way we all bicker. Rosie Gray [08:50] ? Shep Titian [08:50]
Moonrise Azalee [08:50] I do think also it would be nice to have back up prefabs for the oddly shaped areas so that those who arent up for a building challenge, yet who want to swap out paper thin alpha walled exisitng homes, have a pre approved variety of choice. Shep Titian [08:52] Thanks .. Ranma Ranma Tardis [08:52] Am looking at the covenant for Neuf Pip Torok [08:52] Pip Torok agrees about the dismal emptiness … Soro Dagostino [08:53] sorry all, RL calls. Ranma Tardis [08:53] There is nothing that it be preindustrial but only of the materials and design Shep Titian [08:54] e Soro Ranma Tardis [08:54] we were never meant to be a historical group of sims Pip Torok [08:55] Pip Torok respectively gegs to differ .. how can a mediaeval theme be anything but pre-industrial? Ranma Tardis [08:55] right now a very few citizens are forcing their will on the majority. Shep Titian [08:55] Pip please no one interupted you Ranma Tardis [08:56] I would like to extend and revise my remarks Shep Titian [08:58] ?? Ranma Tardis [08:59] I advocate tolerance but not making the mainland or Caledon. As a Peer of Caledon take insults as a personal insult. Shep Titian [09:00] Modelled after a medieval Bavarian city .. then that’s what it should look like Jamie Palisades [09:00] Jamie Palisades grins, raises hand Shep Titian [09:01] There are so many off covenant bits here and there that are tolerated Ran Ludo Merit [09:01] Ludo Merit raises hand josjoha Resident [09:01] josjoha Resident *raises hand* Shep Titian [09:01] Jos josjoha Resident [09:02] If there are off covenant bits tolerated, as you say and i have heard from others: I hope these bits & pieces can be brought in line of the Covenant, or the Covenant be expanded; otherwise we will erode the law. thanks done. Rosie Gray [09:03] Rosie Gray raises hand Shep Titian [09:03] I understand for the most part they are grandfathered josjoha Resident [09:04] josjoha Resident raises hand Shep Titian [09:04] Jos josjoha Resident [09:05] Ludo raised her hand before me, and so did Rosie. thx Jamie Palisades [09:05] Jamie Palisades smiles, raises his again, just in case. Shep Titian [09:05] OK Not answering any IMs Jamie Palisades [09:06] Thank yhou. Shep Titian [09:07] Thank you Ludo Pip Torok [09:07] raises hand Ludo Merit [09:07] [whispers] I just wanted to say a couple of things. Rosie Gray [09:09] Rosie Gray raises hand Ludo Merit [09:09] I am not against reasonable theme requirements. I am against applying them unfairly to some and not to others. Shep Titian [09:09] Josd Ludo Merit [09:09] So far I have seen some evidence of that but am not sure yet that it’s a serious problem, though I’m told it is Shep Titian [09:10] Then I’m going Rosie Pip as she asked and I missed her josjoha Resident [09:10] i defer to Rosie, who was first i think, please; ah ok Ludo, continue Shep Titian [09:10] Jos take the place you asre given after Ludo josjoha Resident [09:11] Ok, I concur with Jamie that it’s appropriate to start small and then beat louder on the drum if an issue is not resolved, Ludo Merit [09:11] And I want to mention that ‘time indeterminate’ has allowed solar panels and a roof garden on NFS, and I don’t think it looks too bad. josjoha Resident [09:12] however we are here now to debate it, and the violation in NFS other side of town seems quite extreme to me, it’s a ancient Greek build, it says so itself, even rezzed under an ancient Rome group. Tor did not reply what he is planning, i would like to ask how Tor likes to proceed in the matter, thanks. done. Tor Karlsvalt [09:12] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand. Shep Titian [09:12] Rosie Rosie Gray [09:13] may I defer to Tor to answer the question first? Ranma Tardis [09:13] raises hand Shep Titian [09:13] Tor Tor Karlsvalt [09:15] First, with regard to the Roman temple in NFS. It is my understanding that the temple was a temporary building exercise and is to be replaced this weekend or so. Also, I have talked to a neighbor of the the temple who finds the build tolerable given its temporary nature. Ludo Merit [09:16] Ludo Merit raises hand Shep Titian [09:16] after Ranma Ludo Tor Karlsvalt [09:16] At times building are within the covenant, but perhaps not well liked by neighbors. Some have ed builders with their houses. This is not the government engaging in unfair treatment. josjoha Resident [09:17] josjoha Resident raises hand Tor Karlsvalt [09:17] Regarding NFS Jamie Palisades [09:18] Jamie Palisades tries to block out the memory of that concrete block house from the nice Quaker fellow. Tor Karlsvalt [09:18] As far as I can tell, as long as he houses fit the landscape and are of natural materials, they are allowed. Shep Titian [09:19] Rosie Rosie Gray [09:19] thanks… Shep Titian [09:19] then pip then Ran then Jamie Rosie Gray [09:20] I think that the covenants are quite clear for the sims Jamie Palisades [09:21] ((I’ll pass, this turn, I think, Shep. BRB.)) Shep Titian [09:21] ok Jamie Rosie Gray [09:21] and that as new builds are created, they should conform to the covenants Moonrise Azalee [09:22] Moonrise Azalee reluctantly raises her hand also Shep Titian [09:22] Cheers Rosie Rosie Gray [09:22] but I want concerned people who want to build their own places and don’t have a lot of experience Shep Titian [09:22] After Ran Birch Rosie Gray [09:22] to know that they are always welcome to request advise and from the Artisan’s Guild Moonrise Azalee [09:23] Moonrise Azalee nods. Rosie Gray [09:23] we are there to … Tor Karlsvalt [09:23] my appolgies, I have to go to the platz for a moment. Shep Titian [09:23] ok Tor Tor Karlsvalt [09:23] brb Rosie Gray [09:24] and that as a less experienced builder, you can take it as an opportunity to get better at your building, so you’ll be better able to make both what you want and what will aesthetically please your neighbours Shep Titian [09:24] thanks Rosie and agree Pip Torok [09:26] to speakers who feel that a _minority_ are trying to force their strictures upon a majority Id like to say that a vote is the means of confirming or otherwise that thought … done Shep Titian [09:26] thanks Pip .. Ranma Callipygian Christensen [09:27] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand Ranma Tardis [09:28] okies think that people are forcing a fantasy version of reality on people Shep Titian [09:28] Calli after Birch Ranma Tardis [09:28] am going to rez a picture of a roman yes roman building in the Rhineland josjoha Resident [09:29] raised hand Shep Titian [09:30] What is the point Ranma? Ranma Tardis [09:31] this was constructed log before the era and there are others as well. What I see is some want to create a sim of perfect builds to make themselves happy Rosie Gray [09:31] Rosie Gray raises hand Shep Titian [09:31] Are you done Ran? Ranma Tardis [09:31] that in the real world there is no 100 percent anything Shep Titian [09:32] Rosie theres Bircg and Calli first Ranma Tardis [09:33] there should be a way to replace not strictly themed buildings. otherwise the sims look like the theme park “Busch Gardens” in the USA and completely fake Shep Titian [09:34] Too far Ranma Ranma Tardis [09:34] we have to respect others as is stated in our Constitution. Tor Karlsvalt [09:35] Tor Karlsvalt Raises hand. Ranma Tardis [09:35] Maybe Shep but I am talking Shep Titian [09:35] RL gov’ts have town planning Ranma Tardis [09:35] Shep can I finish? Shep Titian [09:36] Go ahead Ranma Tardis [09:37] The thing is what the minority wants is a “theme park” look. I propose we let the next election cycle decide Shep Titian [09:37] Thanks Birch then Calli josjoha Resident [09:37] raised hand Rosie Gray [09:37] Rosie Gray coughs Shep Titian [09:38] Rosie you were after Calli .. it has taken that long Rosie Gray [09:38] ? Moonrise Azalee [09:38] ok well 1) I admit that once we are putting control panels on tops of houses that are modeled after a meieval bavarian city it gets confusing. Do panels count as building material? the window stucture has to be old, the siding, the roof.. .but solar panels are okay? yes i find that odd in the way the covenant states. Shep Titian [09:39] Jos after Rosie Moonrise Azalee [09:39] The temple.. not sure who built it, but without stepping on toes lest that person be here, regardless of what the neighbours of the temple think, how does that look for people who come here, looking to live here because of the amazing community, its history and lush backdrops… so then they put a lighthouse on a ledge over the water, because it looks nice but is totally not in theme… josjoha Resident [09:40] ty Moonrise Azalee [09:40] each thing we do here, especially in builds that are being focused toward the public, should reflect the integrity of our commitment to this place. a bit of hard work and effort… Shep Titian [09:42] YThanks Birch .. Calli Tor Karlsvalt [09:42] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand higher. Callipygian Christensen [09:42] Thankyou . This is rather dejavuish since in fall of 2011 Trebor tried to find aan officer to enforce covenants. I am reposting something I wrote on the Forums then since here we are 2 years later, at it again, and my comments still apply. (large block of quoted text coming) Shep Titian [09:43] Tor you’re after first Rosie then Jos Tor Karlsvalt [09:43] thanks Callipygian Christensen [09:43] Personally there are a number of the covenant requirements that I could’nt care less about, and probably wouldn’t even notice are a contravention – I am guessing that is true of many of us, and means those contraventions don’t get reported in any prescribed time. In other cases, back in the mists of time, a Chancellor may have given permission for the variance making the build ‘legal’. Others see it, follow suit, and aren’t even aware they are not in compliance. Moonrise Azalee [09:45] Moonrise Azalee nods in firm agreement of that ancient but well expressed post Tor Karlsvalt [09:45] Thanks Pip Torok [09:45] (and so does Pip) Tor Karlsvalt [09:46] First, with regard to NFS. Rosie Gray [09:46] ahem Callipygian Christensen [09:46] earlier this year when Bagheera was concerned about covenants I posted this:http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4023&p=20474&hilit=+covenant#p20474 Shep Titian [09:46] Calli are you done? Ranma Tardis [09:46] raises hand for closing statement Tor Karlsvalt [09:47] When the covenants were rewritten in 2011 there was an attempt to make them clear and the description of NFS as a POST MODERN medieval Bavarian Village was ommited. Shep Titian [09:47] Sorry ok Rosie Rosie Gray [09:47] Tor you are after me and Jos Tor Karlsvalt [09:47] ohok Shep Titian [09:48] Yes Jos wioll be next josjoha Resident [09:48] ty Rosie Gray [09:50] thanks Shep… okay I agree with Calli’s post, but I did want to say that I do think that Ranma was right about the ancient Roman build being okay because a medieval town would have come AFTER the Roman build, and would have incorporated it into the city. This is true to life so I don’t see what the problem would have been with that. josjoha Resident [09:50] oh sorry, i heard “Jos is next” (by the way, i had my hand raised a long time and was passed over once or twice) Rosie Gray [09:51] np josjoha Resident [09:51] ty Shep Titian [09:51] Rosie now! Tor Karlsvalt [09:51]
Rosie Gray [09:51] but the point is, that what came before would no doubt still be there josjoha Resident [09:52] josjoha Resident nods Rosie Gray [09:52] but I did want to clarify one point that Ranma brought up Shep Titian [09:54] Thanks Rosie Tor Karlsvalt [09:54] Thank you Ms. LRA Shep Titian [09:54] Tor Tor Karlsvalt [09:55] Sorry for intruding earlier, I lost my place Shep Titian [09:55] You and me both Tor Karlsvalt [09:55] RE NFS, I would suggest that we insert the older description of NFS as a post modern medieval city. Rosie Gray [09:57] Rosie Gray nods enthusiastically Tor Karlsvalt [09:57] Sports, or events often have aspects that are anachronistic. Jamie Palisades [09:58] Jamie Palisades smiles at that and dons his old NFS rugby football shirt Tor Karlsvalt [09:58] We need to find some language that permits this in order to stop incessant sniping about minor aspects of bilds. Shep Titian [09:58] Thanks Tor Ludo Merit [10:00] Point of order. Guild? Shep Titian [10:01] The Artisan Guild Ludo Merit [10:01] Thanks Shep Titian [10:01] Sorry Ranma Tardis [10:01] question Shep Titian [10:01] Yesa Ran ? Ranma Tardis [10:02] How will this “clean up” be done. You can only return the entire build. josjoha Resident [10:02] raises hand Shep Titian [10:03] No Ran most things allow you to mod them Ranma Tardis [10:04] other peoples builds? Shep Titian [10:04] Well they would have to do it if they were the creator Ranma Tardis [10:04] what if they do not? Tor Karlsvalt [10:05] Tor Karlsvalt cna’t let the old men of NFS sit here unchallenged. Shep Titian [10:05] No one is going around physically forcing change Jamie Palisades [10:05] Shep Titian [10:06] Did you raise your hand? josjoha Resident [10:06] to the idea of Tor & to have a theme but with quirkyness of our weird ways: perhaps we could say the buildings-proper (roof/walls/*) must be strictly in theme, but a different wider theme is set for things like chairs, vehicles ? or vehicles up to 1700, and smaller items (chairs) up to 1900 ??? Shep Titian [10:08] Things inside don’t need to be in theme josjoha Resident [10:08] (yes i mean, outside) Shep Titian [10:08] ok josjoha Resident [10:09] we risk sortof a steam-punk look, i’m personally not too liking it to go into the industrial age Tor Karlsvalt [10:10] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand Shep Titian [10:11] Tor Tor Karlsvalt [10:11] thanks Moonrise Azalee [10:11] noooo Tor Karlsvalt [10:13] Oh I just wanted to mention that the temple in NFS has been removed. It was merely a building exercise and totally temporary. I think I will add that one of CDSs great functions is the nurturing of good builders. We can maintain a beautiful sim and still provide or allow students of building opportunities. We are all better for it. Callipygian Christensen [10:13] (I see tor typing – but suggest we move things along here? This meeting is past 2 hours already) Moonrise Azalee [10:14] Thank you Torm and yes, this meeting has certainly grown long josjoha Resident [10:14] *applauds Tor’s enthusiastic law enforcements* ๏ฟผ Tor Karlsvalt [10:16] oh can I add just one more thing if we are wrapping up Moonrise Azalee [10:16] Yes Tor Tor Karlsvalt [10:16] Just want to reminde everyone we have Engrama here at 1PM Moonrise Azalee [10:16] Moonrise Azalee grins Tor Karlsvalt [10:17] at 50 Biscuits here at 8PM this evening Callipygian Christensen [10:17] oh..50 Biscuits are a lot of country fun Tor Karlsvalt [10:17] Now I am done. Moonrise Azalee [10:17] Thank you Tor. Jamie Palisades [10:17] Jamie Palisades smiles Moonrise Azalee [10:17] Do we have commission reports? Shep Titian [10:18] back Moonrise Azalee [10:18] wb! Shep Titian [10:18] ty Jamie Palisades [10:19] Jamie Palisades stands, nods, sorry that I must run, cheers all. josjoha Resident [10:19] Jamie Shep Titian [10:19] do you want to giove a exec statement Tor? Moonrise Azalee [10:19] Jamie Pip Torok [10:19] Janie Shep Titian [10:19] Jamioe Pip Torok [10:19] Jamie! Tor Karlsvalt [10:19] ok ok Shep Titian [10:19] good Tor Karlsvalt [10:20] We seem to be doing well with Oktoberfest. Some of you have had good fun Moonrise Azalee [10:20] Moonrise Azalee grins Tor Karlsvalt [10:20] We are now in our 10th year. We had our 9th anniversary Sept 21st Shep Titian [10:22] and a very good job Tor josjoha Resident [10:22] wew! Tor Karlsvalt [10:22] Also, we think we can begin with the ad campaign push after the fest. Shep Titian [10:24] ok … we need to get on with LA as well Moonrise Azalee [10:25] October 12th? Shep Titian [10:25] two weeks? Moonrise Azalee [10:25] isnt it every two weeks? Ranma Tardis [10:25] np Shep Titian [10:25] no once a month is the requirement Moonrise Azalee [10:26] oh Shep Titian [10:26] no hun .. was August our last meeting .. time just flies Moonrise Azalee [10:27] ahh Shep Titian [10:27] yes 19th Ranma Tardis [10:27] np Moonrise Azalee [10:27] sounds good to me Shep Titian [10:27] 8 am again? Ranma Tardis [10:27] okies Moonrise Azalee [10:27] can it be 9? or is that too late October 26, 2013 Shep Titian [08:08] Ok .. well we are quorate so we will begin Callipygian Christensen [08:08] Callipygian Christensen waves Soro Dagostino [08:09] Soro Dagostino waves at Calli Lilith Ivory [08:09] HI Rosie, Hi Calli Shep Titian [08:09] Ok Birch approves the agenda as stated .. Ranma do you aprove the agenda? Rosie Gray [08:09] ? Soro Dagostino [08:09] Soro Dagostino Rosie too Ranma Tardis [08:09] aye Shep Titian [08:10] Speakers on todays agenda items are Rosie Gray .. representing the Guild Bagheera Kristan [08:11] raises hand Shep Titian [08:11] Bags Bagheera Kristan [08:12] At Gwyn’s last meeting, it came out that I – as RA Archivist – was supposed to be extracting laws as they were passed and posting them… I didn’t know I was supposed to be doing that, so I am currently going through the transcripts and doing that now just for the record Pip Torok [08:14] Pip Torok hopes we’ll all be instant lawyers for the election … Shep Titian [08:14] Awww thank you Bags … I don’t think we changed anything important this last session … we’ve been focussed on building Bagheera Kristan [08:14] yes Shep Titian [08:15] Anyone else? Moonrise Azalee [08:15] good lord, ok im back Shep Titian [08:16] WB .. nourished I hope Moonrise Azalee [08:16] well, im aiming for quiet but well nourished is good too Rosie Gray [08:16] ๏ฟผ Shep Titian [08:16] Lets Birch catch up Moonrise Azalee [08:16] scrolling Shep Titian [08:17] Are you ready Rosie? Moonrise Azalee [08:17] ok. caught up Shep Titian [08:17] ok cool Rosie Gray [08:17] yes Shep Titian [08:18] AS there is no old business we move on to the main item .. redesign of LA .. Rosie I give you the floor Rosie Gray [08:18] thank you Shep Bagheera Kristan [08:22] raises hand Rosie Gray [08:22] I think we may need to adjust the road on the far right so that it stays where it is now, since it connects up with the road on CN Shep Titian [08:22] When Rosie is done Bags Bagheera Kristan [08:22]
Rosie Gray [08:23] this plan is to work with the new them of Tuscany that was approved by the RA Shep Titian [08:26] Ok Bags Moonrise Azalee [08:26] Moonrise Azalee raises hand Bagheera Kristan [08:26] okay just a moment… let me type this out Shep Titian [08:26] After Bags Birch Ranma Tardis [08:26] raises hand Moonrise Azalee [08:26] Moonrise Azalee nods Shep Titian [08:26] Ran after Birch Ranma Tardis [08:26] nods Bagheera Kristan [08:28] Since it appears both my builds… the Insulae which belongs to CDS and my own building and lot, the Library, are both off this map I’d like to hear the benefits and thought behind each parcel created… the reason I am asking is because I did build both of my builds with careful consideration for making the whole sim better so – not a judgment, just a question “why these parcels? what makes each parcel size/location something appealing to a prospective citizen? Callipygian Christensen [08:28] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand Bagheera Kristan [08:29] done Alexia Carnell [08:29] Alexia Carnell raises hand Shep Titian [08:29] Rosie do you want to respond? Rosie Gray [08:29] sure Bagheera Kristan [08:29]
Shep Titian [08:30] Calli after Ranma and Alexia after Calli Rosie Gray [08:30] the plan, although it’s a bit hard to tell from the drawing, was to generally have a cliff down to beach along the left side of the drawing Bagheera Kristan [08:31]
Rosie Gray [08:31] there does need to be some terrascaping done Shep Titian [08:32] ok Bags? Rosie Gray [08:32] the biggist part of the plan centres on the enlarged harbour area and the fishing village, which is all currently common land Shep Titian [08:32] OK Birch Bagheera Kristan [08:32] I was wondering about t lines, what does a citizen see – what is their view – from their parcels? Shep Titian [08:32] oop Bagheera Kristan [08:32] sorry Moonrise Azalee [08:32] Moonrise Azalee waits Rosie Gray [08:32] well there needs to be terrascaping done Bagheera Kristan [08:32] yes Rosie Gray [08:32] some of this you’ll have to imagine Bagheera Kristan [08:33] okay – I guess I just want to say that each citizen should have some sort of view that’s all Rosie Gray [08:33] but the idea was to have the sim finished around the edges (down to beach) Bagheera Kristan [08:33] nice & nice job, calli Shep Titian [08:33] k Birch Moonrise Azalee [08:34] k… well first of all, i just wanted to know is the top of the image West and the bottom East? Rosie Gray [08:34] the harbour to sea is where it is currently Moonrise Azalee [08:35] so the top is flowing into CN? Rosie Gray [08:35] yes Moonrise Azalee [08:36] Okay, well I just wanted to say I really like the layout, I think it makes a far better use of land. LA has always seemed so random to me. This looks nice. Done Shep Titian [08:36] thanks Ranma Tardis [08:38] I am concerned about citizens being forced to relocate. I do not find your compensation plan correct. Also there will be cries of favoritism by some. How will this be managed and what is the due process to assure fairness? Rosie Gray [08:39] these details need to be worked out, with the Chancellor Ranma Tardis [08:40] Again there is no due process of law? I like the plan but representing the citizens makes me have to ask. Rosie Gray [08:40] I don’t think the laws address this issue Ranma Tardis [08:41] ok, done Shep Titian [08:41] thanks Rosie Gray [08:41] and this is why we do need to write it out carefully so that everyone understands the process Shep Titian [08:41] Calli Callipygian Christensen [08:41] thank you – just to clarify, this was a draft done with some specifics in mind from the group disscussions1 A fishing village on a larger harbour, 2 Time Machine in same spot for LM access 3 All prcels having road access or water access or both Pip Torok [08:42] Pip Torok raises hand Shep Titian [08:43] alexia then Pip Alexia Carnell [08:43] More or less same question as Ranma’s – for the moment – this plan was made when LA was a desert – did you consider carefully the troubles it will create, carrying it on now, for LA (and other sims) new citizens? Shep Titian [08:44] there is still a lot empty Alexia Alexia Carnell [08:44] done Shep Titian [08:44] Pip Pip Torok [08:45] May I suggest that the map forms part of the transcript to this meeting (for obvious reason)? done Alexia Carnell [08:46] Alexia Carnell raises hand Lilith Ivory [08:46] Lilith Ivory raises her hand too Shep Titian [08:46] Alexia Alexia Carnell [08:46] I must thank anybody who ed with the “favoritism” of preserving my shop location in LA in this plan. Shep Titian [08:47] Yes go on Alexia Carnell [08:47] First. As a citizen i have to say the whole LA issue has been managed in a weird way (least i can say). Forcing theme changes. Encouraging spontaneous rezzings. Preparing redesign plans at the desk without sharing enough with citizens. Locking estate transactions to new citizens. Spreading rumours. All this lead to an escalation of misunderstandings, bullying, griefing from citizens against other citizens. So what i ask to our rulers is to step down from their hyperuranian meetings and see what happens on the ground, discuss, share, spend some of their precious time LISTENING and COMMUNICATING in world. Relations work better in world than in a freezing forum, which works well as an archive but is not a problem solver. Callipygian Christensen [08:50] Callipygian Christensen has to leave – I wont comment on the speech but will point out this:It isn’t ‘favouritism’, it’s courtesy to a long time location with LMs out in the world – feel free to ignore the courtesy offered and move Soro Dagostino [08:50] Soro Dagostino raises hand Alexia Carnell [08:50] oh so kind Cally Shep Titian [08:51] Lil then Soro Callipygian Christensen [08:51] Callipygian Christensen waves and heads to the chiro Shep Titian [08:51] Just an aside from me .. well done Calli for writing your speech Lilith Ivory [08:51] Lilith Ivory lowers her hand again as she is shocked Rosie Gray [08:51] Calli, and thanks for the excellent plan Lilith Ivory [08:51] nothing to say atm Moonrise Azalee [08:52] Calli Pip Torok [08:52] Pip Torok eraises hand Lilith Ivory [08:52] Calli Soro Dagostino [08:52] Soro Dagostino yields to Pip. Alexia Carnell [08:52] Thanks Cally, i will consider your proposal Bagheera Kristan [08:53] ((afk for a bit)) Pip Torok [08:53] i take Alexs point about providing “glue” but i fail to see how _cancelling_ the plan will /hinder this necessary process done Shep Titian [08:54] Soro? Soro Dagostino [08:54] I believe there needs to be some planning done. LA is a little occupied space and horse lots. Tor Karlsvalt [08:56] Tor Karlsvalt listens to everything but is in some bad lag. Soro Dagostino [08:56] That is unless those who want to “bubble up” want to guaranty the tier for the Sim. Alexia Carnell [08:56] wonders what the word “agreed” means Shep Titian [08:57] I believe it will have covenants Soro .. not a free for all Soro Dagostino [08:57] Done. Pip Torok [08:59] Pip Torok raises hand Shep Titian [08:59] Nice Pip Torok [09:00] Pip Torok has hand still in the air ….. Shep Titian [09:00] Sorry Pip Tor Karlsvalt [09:01] brb Bagheera Kristan [09:01] raises hand Pip Torok [09:02] just to say that i wd go one further than soro .. i wd empower the chancellor to negotiate with citizens who _seriously_ compromise the theme and in necessary to remo ve the build done Alexia Carnell [09:02]
Pip Torok [09:02] if necessary Alexia Carnell [09:02] Alexia Carnell wonders if Time Machin could become tuscan Bagheera Kristan [09:03] ((I may have to run to the kitchen really quick as I have something on the stove, but I do have my hand up- )) Pip Torok [09:03]
Moonrise Azalee [09:03] Moonrise Azalee raises hand Shep Titian [09:03] Pip did you change your mind? Moonrise Azalee [09:04] Moonrise Azalee whispers… he spoke Pip Torok [09:04] no .. in what respect? Shep Titian [09:04] Oop sorry Pip Torok [09:04] np! ) Shep Titian [09:04] Bags then Birch Bagheera Kristan [09:05] thank you okay… so, considering what Alexia said, and I feelher thoughts are valid, and weighing it against all that has transpired here… the last RA voted on making this change, so it isn’t a surprise… Shep Titian [09:07] I have to interject .. there were meetings after meetings about this .. not one did I se Alexia there ,.. in fact I told her I would look out for her interests Bagheera Kristan [09:07] nevertheless, she is a citizen of LA, as am I Pip Torok [09:07] Pip Torok guesses that the new citizens like the community spirit fully as much as the landscape Tor Karlsvalt [09:07] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand Alexia Carnell [09:08] i never receive a guild meeting btw Bagheera Kristan [09:08] okay, done Shep Titian [09:08] Birch Moonrise Azalee [09:09] ok…. Shep Titian [09:09] After Birch Tor Rosie Gray [09:09] guild meetings have been announced through the group, and on the forum Alexia Carnell [09:10] and i already said my opinions in a previous RA meeting Moonrise Azalee [09:10] Well first of all, to address Alexia — since being a member of the RA there has been lots of talk about how to get new people here. The only thing we didnt do was change the theme. ITs an issue in SL period as many people find more prims and less cost in other grids — Ranma Tardis [09:12] raises hand Tor Karlsvalt [09:13] Thanks Moonrise Azalee [09:16] Moonrise Azalee nods in agreement Tor Karlsvalt [09:16] I also would point out that many SL sims have reduced sims. ROMA has cut two sims I think, Bagheera Kristan [09:17] (in counterpoint, Blake Sea Battles has added 5 sims) Tor Karlsvalt [09:18] Without doubt competition for residents is firerse in SL and other grids do take people from SL. I think generally tho, these numbers are small. Shep Titian [09:18] OK Tor Karlsvalt [09:18] Done Shep Titian [09:18] we digress Ranma Tardis [09:19] second Shep Titian [09:19] Vote .. aye Ranma Tardis [09:19] aye Moonrise Azalee [09:20] Aye Shep Titian [09:20] Excellent !!!!! Alexia Carnell [09:20] Ok my friends – i take your vote and make you a favour – i will take Cally’s suggestion and leave LA – and Cds – so you can feel free to build a bright future for the sim. Farewell Rosie Gray [09:20] ยทยทโขยฐโขยทยท..? Applauds! ? ..ยทยทโขยฐโขยทยท.. Pip Torok [09:20] congratulations everybody! Rosie Gray [09:20] Rosie Gray notes that some people just cannot be accommodated Shep Titian [09:20] Rosie and Tor .. can you take this as our request to move ahead with the redevelopment Rosie Gray [09:21] yes thank you Shep, and thank you Ranma and Birch Pip Torok [09:21] Pip Torok wd have liked Alexia to have continued with us … Moonrise Azalee [09:21] Moonrise Azalee grins. Good Job everyone involved in this redesigning Bagheera Kristan [09:21] me too pip Lilith Ivory [09:21] me too Ranma Tardis [09:21] I have faith the Guild will be fair to all citizens Rosie Gray [09:22] I don’t understand why she is being like that since we said her land would be left alone Soro Dagostino [09:22] Cleo Shep Titian [09:22] I agree Soro Bagheera Kristan [09:22] no, honestly, if you think about it – her brand is Roman themed – and the sim supported that as is Moonrise Azalee [09:22] I’m looking forward to it, it’s very exciting Bagheera Kristan [09:22] to state post-Roman gives her no incentive to stay Rosie Gray [09:23] well then she needs to have her own sim, and pay for the whole thing if that’s the case Tor Karlsvalt [09:24] Alas, Roman is in decline unless supported by a strong RP policy or combat. Bagheera Kristan [09:24] she was unhappy before Cleo, I know this because we talked, so you cannot hang this on Cleo’s influence Rosie Gray [09:24] Rosie Gray nods Moonrise Azalee [09:24] Growth can be painful and awkward, but otherwise we risk being stagnant…. the theme as is, Roman… just isnt very attractive to the general population. There are ways that she could adjust. But sometimes giving up is easier. Bagheera Kristan [09:24] so please don’t Ranma Tardis [09:25] am sad Rosie Gray [09:25] she might change her mind Moonrise Azalee [09:25] landscape is a huge part of wanting to spend time in a fantasy life, i look at places like Chilbo, a huge community once… and its gone to peices Tor Karlsvalt [09:26] Chilbo is sad Moonrise Azalee [09:26] it was amazing once Shep Titian [09:26] I’m talking to her Bagheera Kristan [09:26] I’ve been exploring successful private communities… I think we could learn a lot from places like the Steampunks of New Babbage – 10 thriving sims Rosie Gray [09:26] behaving like a spoilt teenager doesn’t anything Bagheera Kristan [09:26] the Blake Sea Battles, who just added 5 sims Rosie Gray [09:26] aren’t they all rp though, Bags? Tor Karlsvalt [09:27] Oh btw, I have been asked to respond to an effort started to pull together community based sims. Bagheera Kristan [09:27] ohyes, I guess maybe that’s it Moonrise Azalee [09:27] as times change, public and social interests change and i really feel that rome is past its time. unless, .like said, its RP. Tuscany offers a richer beauty i think Tor Karlsvalt [09:27] One question is to suggest other community members who can be contacted. Rosie Gray [09:27] we can have renaissance builds in Tuscany! Moonrise Azalee [09:27] ๏ฟผ Pip Torok [09:27] yes … think of Renaissance art !! Tor Karlsvalt [09:27] I thought of the RA, SC and guild members. Also people running for office this term. Moonrise Azalee [09:28] What exactly is it Tor? Bagheera Kristan [09:28] true – I guess where I got stuck was outright stating “post-roman” since even today, you can see Roman era buildings Tor Karlsvalt [09:28] Well it seems to be an effort forming among some community bases sims. Moonrise Azalee [09:29] like to have joint events etc? Rosie Gray [09:29] I was taking the post-Roman to mean that the Roman buildings would be old Bagheera Kristan [09:29] ah Tor Karlsvalt [09:29] sort of an inter communication effort. Moonrise Azalee [09:29] Moonrise Azalee grins Tor Karlsvalt [09:29] Or at least promote eachother’s events. Rosie Gray [09:29] sounds interesting, Tor Moonrise Azalee [09:29] indeed yes Tor Karlsvalt [09:30] I think we can have some Roman builds. Look at the Pantheon in Rome. Lilith Ivory [09:31] I think we agreed on this theme as it is a way citizens donยดt have to change their homes Rosie Gray [09:31] Rosie Gray nods Pip Torok [09:31] has anyone given thought to giving LA a new Italian name? Rosie Gray [09:31] we would have to pay to rename the sim Lilith Ivory [09:31] changing the name of a Sim costs some money Bagheera Kristan [09:31] don’t you have to pay Linden Tor Karlsvalt [09:31] Some people like the name. Pip Torok [09:31] (or is that not possible?) Bagheera Kristan [09:31] yes Tor Karlsvalt [09:31] Nice place Lilith Ivory [09:32] itยดs possible but not cheap Bagheera Kristan [09:32] have to be a compelling reason to spend the money Shep Titian [09:32] OK folks .. order please Pip Torok [09:32] well .. since i’m not bowled-over in the rush .. I’ll forget I said that !! :-]
Rosie Gray [09:33] ? Bagheera Kristan [09:33]
Shep Titian [09:33] Moving on Tor Karlsvalt [09:34] yes Shep Titian [09:35] Thats wonderful Tor Karlsvalt [09:36] Also, talking to several of our new people, I think a Tuscan theame would be welcomed. One might even be interested in ing to build the new sim. Shep Titian [09:37] THank you Tor Lilith Ivory [09:38] Lilith Ivory looks around and is sad to see none of the new citizens Rosie Gray [09:38] Rosie Gray nods at Lil and agrees Shep Titian [09:39] A number have said Lil that they love the sims .. mountains etc .. and are’nt here for politics but community Moonrise Azalee [09:39] Moonrise Azalee notes that there are many anti-politic sorts these days Rosie Gray [09:39]
Tor Karlsvalt [09:39] Well one may follow the other in time. Moonrise Azalee [09:39] they come here to be stress free ๏ฟผ Shep Titian [09:40] Yes Tor you’re right Tor Karlsvalt [09:40] I have to say the shops on the quay were very nice. Lilith Ivory [09:40] Lilith Ivory is not a very political person too Shep Titian [09:41] Ok .. date Moonrise Azalee [09:41] Moonrise Azalee grins Shep Titian [09:41] Is two weeks ok Ranma Tardis [09:41] nods Moonrise Azalee [09:41] im good for two Tor Karlsvalt [09:41] Yay! Moonrise Azalee [09:41] or three, or whatever Shep Titian [09:41] ok two weeks Ranma Tardis [09:42] me too Shep Titian [09:42] Sat 9th Nov at 8am Tor Karlsvalt [09:42] Tor Karlsvalt needs to find someone to organize debates. Moonrise Azalee [09:42]
Ranma Tardis [09:42]
Shep Titian [09:42] I propose we adjourn Moonrise Azalee [09:42] second Ranma Tardis [09:42] second Moonrise Azalee [09:43] aye Shep Titian [09:43] aye Re: 1 December 2012 RA Transcript Re: 5 Jan 2013 RA Transcript Tanoujin Milestone Agenda for RA meeting of Saturday 2th Feb 2013 at 4pm – Administrative Business – New Business 1) Amendment of the Citizens’ Information Act … 2) With the prospect of changes to LA … should we take the opportunity for a big clean up on all sims ? 3) When does ‘Spring’ begin? Should we set out a time tabled seasonal change? – Commission Reports (5 min) Summary: <hr> Bagheera Kristan: Not today, no Agenda for RA meeting of Sunday 3rd of March 2013 – Administrative Business – Old Business Are we ready for the new Schloss to be put in place? – New Business For discussion today …. 1) … should we take the opportunity for a big clean up on all sims ? Including using CH to save prims…. – Commission Reports (5 min) Summary: Shep Titian: Ok … calling the meeting to order Agenda for RA meeting of Sunday 7th. of April 2013 at 1pm SLT – Administrative Business – Old Business Will the new Schloss be ready for signing off at the next RA meeting ? – New Business For discussion today …. 1) … Public Buildings and private use thereof .. I’m in favour of adding to legislation something like … ………… any private use ( that is use not initiated on behalf of CDS) of public buildings be on the understanding that any items used for the event, be removed at the end of the event , leaving the building in the condition it was found 2) … Removing or heavily regulating the chancellor’s right to force people to give up/ change parcels … this is separate from the arrears stipulations – Commission Reports (5 min) Summary: RA Meeting 5 May 2013 That said, I would like to address the underlying reason for suggesting it, which is my experiences with grossly out of covenant objects rezzed – such as the bumper cars on a floating platform, or a mega rock music stage on the Quay, or a large ferris wheel. All of these things have happened. They were all actions by the Chancellor…and so the real issue, in my mind, and as I have posted on the forums, is the limitations or lack thereof on the Chancellor and government officers. The interpretation of some, to the Constitution, is the Chancellor can pretty much do anything they want. I read it that the Chancellor is limited in that they cannot go grossly outside covenant. It appears – from reading the archives – To be clear, I do NOT care about historical accuracy. I am mostly thinking optimistically about how things will be when the sims are full up with citizens…and how things that appear okay to do now because no one is there to complain, would not be appropriate.la I DO think Calliโs suggestion in the forums about using our public spaces – such as the amphitheater parcel, which is quite large, to have travelling fairs or such – and outside covenant, is a great idea. I realize this may all be for the next RA to review and discuss.
Minutes Extraordinary Meeting RA Nov. 23, 2013
19th Representative Assembly
RA Transcript 01 June 2013
-Members of the 19th RA sworn in.
-Shep Titian selected as LRA.
-Bagheera Kristan selected as Archivist.
-General discussion, no laws passed.
[13:01]ย Ranma, how are things where you live?
[13:01]ย I was thinking about you with all the tornados.
[13:02]ย I was in OKC just before the storms at the VA hospital, my town and house are ok ty
[13:02]ย Ranma do you want to be LRA?
[13:02]ย Good.
[13:02]ย I heard five more people were killed.
[13:02]ย oh my
[13:02] . That’s scary. Glad you home is ok Ranma
[13:03]ย oh my
[13:03]ย God hun .. hope all goes well
[13:03]ย FYI eveyone Oklahoma has been hit all week with huge storms and tornadoes.
[13:03]ย so I left maybe an hour or so before they hit, drove on that hwy
[13:03]ย Yes we’ve had that on our news
[13:04]ย feels like it is the second wk in a row?? Is that right?
[13:04]ย one town close to Oklahoma Cit, Moore, was leveled.
[13:04]ย that was day 3 of this week
[13:04]ย glad you’re alright Ranma
[13:04]ย that’s awful
[13:05]ย have a bad connection
[13:05]ย than the week before
[13:05]ย I remember Moore. I guess so much awful has happened it seems longer
[13:06]ย thy have been getting it all week
[13:06]ย 3 days of bad storms this week
[13:07]ย moore had some more storms
[13:07]ย Yeah, the whole town was devastated. I think nine children died.
[13:07]ย Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[13:07]ย Does anyone know about Nolligan and Razzy?
[13:07]ย what is left is getting hit
[13:07]ย We have had rain everyday as those storms move up and east to the midwest.
[13:07]ย Yes not coming
[13:07]ย I saw Nolligan this morning
[13:08]ย but it’s probably the middle of the night for him
[13:08]ย Nolligan might have gone to bed. He was at the meeting earlier about Cedar Island.
[13:08]ย trouble is its deep night in china
[13:08]ย Lilith .. could we invite you to swear in the three of us present?
[13:08]ย oh, okay…. may I suggest we let the SC chair until we are sworn in and LRA selected? Yes, Shep
[13:08]ย of course
[13:08]ย and me I think
[13:08]ย sorry, Tor
[13:09]ย I am slef absorbed
[13:09]ย yes, you too Tor
[13:09]ย no Tor I think Calli wanted to swaear you in at the inaugurial ball
[13:09]ย oh ok
[13:09]ย didnยดt she tell you?
[13:09]ย oh, will we have a ball? Fantastic!
[13:09]ย lets get it done
[13:09]ย not really. I got her for DJ, but had to log soon afterward.
[13:09]ย Its usually done at the ball I recall
[13:10]ย let me call you to order gusys
[13:10]ย Can’t remember a thing unless it is in inventory.
[13:10]ย hehehe
[13:10]ย I am going to drop you a notecard now the the oath
[13:11] Lilith Ivory gives Tor a strict look
[13:11]ย hehe
[13:11] Rosie Gray grins
[13:11]ย haha
[13:11]ย did I miss somebody?
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt sits quietly on his hands.
[13:12]ย am looking for it
[13:12]ย am on a friends computer
[13:12]ย Welcome Dylan.
[13:12]ย you get swrorn in at the ball Tor
[13:12]ย Hi all pip wants me to sit in
[13:12]ย I can copy paste the oath too Ranma
[13:13]ย Hi Dylan
[13:13]ย I will get te first one
[13:13]ย The affirmation of office is a public declaration that in the office to which you have been duly elected, you will solomnly affirm to uphold the Constitution of the CDS and take the duties of the RA seriously
so please if you would, insert your own name into the RA affirmation and read the text into the local chat:
[13:14]ย alright
[13:14]ย c
[13:14]ย I Shep Titian having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[13:15]
[13:15]ย I, Tanoujin Milestone, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[13:16]ย Congrats Tan
[13:16]ย same to you
[13:16]ย clap clap clap
[13:16]ย Ranma?
[13:17]ย clap clap clap
[13:17]ย !! Applause !!
[13:17]ย ?~~?~~APPLAUSE~~?~~?
[13:17]ย Congratulations everyone!
[13:17]ย did I miss Ranma declaring?
[13:17]ย I Ranma Tardis having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[13:17]ย clapclap
[13:17] Rosie Gray was just thinking the same thing
[13:17]ย aaah
[13:17]ย clap clap clap
[13:17]ย Congrats Ran
[13:17]ย Have a good term, Ranma
[13:17]ย thank you Ranma and congratulations to all of you
[13:17]ย *clap*
[13:17]ย wooo hoo
[13:18]ย Thank you Lilith for swearing us in
[13:18] Lilith Ivory aplauds
[13:18]ย wonderful!
[13:18]ย I propose Shep Titian as a candidate for LRA
[13:18]ย I will try to get hold on Nolligan and Razzi, and bring them here to swear them in too
[13:18]ย Ok
[13:19] , yes, get hold of them, very nice
[13:19]ย do you want it? my friend?
[13:19]ย Nooligan will be asleep he said
[13:19]ย if I fing them Iยดll send out a group note to have maybe some witnesses here in the praetorium
[13:19]ย IO will take it happily .. but also give it happily if you want a turn
[13:20]ย Perhaps we will see him some morning.
[13:20]ย to be LRA?
[13:20]ย yes
[13:20]ย I see Nolli often so heยดs not the problem
[13:20]ย would be nice, keep in pratice
[13:20]ย thats great, imo – what do you think, Ranma?
[13:20] Tanoujin Milestone nods
[13:21]ย so lets vote, what do you say?
[13:21]ย lets
[13:21]ย and I say Aye to Shep
[13:21]
[13:22]ย Ran do you want it?
[13:22]ย yes
[13:22]ย Congrats and thank you for serving!
[13:22]ย Ok then I propose Ranma
[13:22]ย bu if you wat it
[13:23]ย So we need the 7 day votes
[13:23]ย did Ran vote yes to Shep or answer Shep’s question?
[13:23]ย yes to being LRA
[13:23]ย I thought she answered me
[13:23]ย and I thought she voted
[13:24] Rosie Gray laughs
[13:24]ย Ok well as Tan voted for me although I was’nt seconded
[13:24]ย my fault
[13:24]ย Not sure where we styand now
[13:24]ย voting for myself makes it two
[13:25]ย maybe we should just try it again as shep didnยดt get a second
[13:25]ย Can we second ourselves though?
[13:26]ย seems to become a difficult term ๐
[13:26]ย Yes
[13:26]ย We need people to attend
[13:26]ย yes
[13:26]ย Now, Ranma, do you want to become LRA? Did I get that right?
[13:27]ย well yes
[13:27]ย oh, I see! I did not get your answer when Shep asked you first
[13:28]ย very interesting!
[13:28]ย so do you second Tan?
[13:29]ย lets vote
[13:29]ย as far as I can see we have two proposed candidates at the moment
[13:30]ย might be good to vote for them with with the normal procedure
[13:31]ย since the vote has been call, I vote for me
[13:32]ย I vote for Ranma
[13:32]ย Lilith, we need a chair
[13:32]ย We need the 7 day votes
[13:32]ย i vote shep, bc I do not change my word on the fly, rest up to 7 day righ?
[13:33]ย weel if all 3 of you vote for Ranma now we donยดt seem to need them right?
[13:33]ย but was good to have them anyway
[13:33]ย yes
[13:34] Rosie Gray wonders if one of the missing RA might have wanted to run for LRA as well
[13:34] Tor Karlsvalt thinks good point.
[13:34]ย True Rosie
[13:34]ย Although I doubt Noli as he is away soon for over a month
[13:35]ย hm, I think if someone wants to be LRA she could notify us before the meeting and be excused for it?
[13:35]ย another good point.
[13:35]ย I agree tan
[13:35]ย True Tan
[13:35]ย we need an LRA
[13:35]ย Ranma
[13:35]ย true
[13:35]ย Well it would be nice to get it cleared up.
[13:36] Rosie Gray shuts up now
[13:36]ย hehe
[13:36]ย Iยดd suggest tovote again in a normal procedure
[13:36]ย yes
[13:36]ย Shep got proposed first from Tan but had no second
[13:36]ย A second ballot. Or third.
[13:36]ย next Shep proposed Ranma
[13:36]ย I have to go
[13:37] Tor Karlsvalt scratches his head.
[13:37]ย and got a second from Tan if I remmeber right
[13:37]ย no, that is not true
[13:37]ย so I change my vote to shep
[13:37]ย Neither of us was seconded
[13:37]ย second shep
[13:37]ย ok just trying to straighten things out
[13:38]ย does any of our candidates get a second now?
[13:38]ย i second shep
[13:38]ย but i cant second myself
[13:38]
[13:38]ย ok so all in favour for shep say aye please
[13:38]ย aye
[13:38]ย aye
[13:38]ย Aye
[13:39]ย ok congrats shep
[13:39]ย congrats
[13:39] Tanoujin Milestone lifts an eyebrow
[13:39]ย Thank you
[13:39] Tor Karlsvalt waits pensively for he chair.
[13:39]ย my rl is pressing me
[13:39]ย yes?
[13:39]ย Yay!!!!
[13:39]ย Tan?
[13:39]ย Ranma we’ll talk hun
[13:39]ย Congrats Shep
[13:39]ย thank you!
[13:39]ย Thank you
[13:39]ย congratulations
[13:39]ย ยทยทโขยฐโขยทยท..? Applauds! ? ..ยทยทโขยฐโขยทยท..
[13:39]ย Congratulations Shep
[13:40]ย no worries
[13:40]ย ?~~?~~APPLAUSE~~?~~?
[13:40]ย APPLAUSE
[13:40]ย congrats my friend
[13:40]ย ok will be afk
[13:40]ย ok we need to set the next meeting
[13:41]ย Thank you Ran
[13:41]ย Tan … we need to fix meetings so we can include Noli
[13:42]ย yes, do you know about his availability?
[13:42]ย I see Nolligan often during the europen day
[13:42]ย he seems to be online early in the morning for me
[13:42]ย It might be doable.
[13:42]ย Yes I know 1pm SLT is 3am with him
[13:42]ย eeek
[13:43]
[13:43]ย well, okay, that is much asked
[13:43]ย we would just have to be up early in the US.
[13:43]ย what abou Razis prefered online times if I may ask?
[13:43]ย Yes .. it works for us europeans
[13:43]ย how can we sync Razzy and Nlligan?
[13:43]ย Well she is on SL time.
[13:43]ย we can’t
[13:43]ย i will adapt – on a saturday, anytime
[13:43]ย but somehow normal RA meetings donยดt seem to work for her well too
[13:44]ย So if she could be up at say 7 SLT, that might work.
[13:44]ย she has 5 children
[13:44]ย What is 7 SLT in Europe?
[13:44]ย yikes.
[13:44]ย +9
[13:45]ย ok, so like six PM.
[13:45]ย right
[13:45]ย no
[13:45]ย ok
[13:45]ย 4pm if I can do the math right atm
[13:45] Lilith Ivory scratches head
[13:45]ย hahaha, shoot me
[13:45]ย Yeah I think 4, i miscounted.
[13:45]ย it would be 9am for me.
[13:46]ย Nolli make the meeting today
[13:46]ย It started at 8SLT
[13:46]ย why don’t you do a “Doodle” to find a suitable time?
[13:46]ย brb
[13:46]ย http://www.doodle.com/main.html
[13:46]ย I bet 7 to 8 might be good for Nolli
[13:46]ย it’s a free scheduling app
[13:46]ย Razzy might be able to make that too.
[13:47]ย ok
[13:47]ย yes late evening
[13:47]ย back
[13:47]ย we talk about 7 pm SLT, right?
[13:48]ย no, 7 am
[13:48]ย I suppose you could switch off between say 4 am slt to 8 am slt .
[13:48]ย wb
[13:48]ย okay, what time is 7 am SLT for Nolligan?
[13:48]ย one or the other might not be able to make it.
[13:49]ย It must be late at night.
[13:49]ย He made the meeting at 8
[13:49]ย 9pm
[13:49]ย ok that isn’t too bad.
[13:49]ย you know if he will out travelling next month, he might not be able to make any meeting.
[13:49]ย I can do 9pm ok
[13:50]ย tsk
[13:50]ย 7am
[13:50]ย I am good with the morning truth be told.
[13:50]ย fine, let us try that and see how it works out?
[13:50]ย shoot I get up early most every day.
[13:51]ย Ok can we make the next meeting for two weeks?
[13:51]ย Ball is next sunday, the 9th.
[13:51]ย noon
[13:51]ย I will get some invites out
[13:51]ย and ask that Delia or Jon pass them to CI.
[13:51]ย ๐
[13:52]ย Yes cool .. as soon as poss Tor .. and do a couple of reminder notes
[13:52] Tanoujin Milestone nods
[13:52]ย k
[13:52]ย prolly get a nice pic of the new schloss.
[13:52]ย do you have an archivist already to post this transcript btw?
[13:52]ย yes
[13:53]ย I suppose we need a flag on the new schoss.
[13:53]ย Yes, Bags is doing it via the cat over there
[13:53]ย We do ..
[13:53]ย maybe several waving in different directions.
[13:53]ย I can put one there, but I refuse to do two different directions
[13:53]ย haha
[13:53]ย I am thrilled to announce that Bagheera ios our new Archivist
[13:53]ย Sorry must go. Nice to see everyone
[13:54]ย Fern!
[13:54]ย I thought that might be a nice homage to the old schloss.
[13:54]ย see you Fern
[13:54]ย by Fern
[13:54]ย au revoir Fern
[13:54]ย Fern
[13:54] Rosie Gray gives Tor a POKE!
[13:54]ย Fern
[13:54]ย haha
[13:54]ย ouch
[13:55]ย btw. Samantha was online earlier this week.
[13:55]ย she never responded to my IM.
[13:55]ย Samantha Fuller?
[13:55]ย Ok next meeting Sat 15th June at 7am SLT
[13:55]ย Agreed??
[13:55]ย yeah Pip.
[13:55]ย well well…
[13:56]ย agreed, !
[13:56]ย ok cool
[13:56]ย great
[13:56]ย Tor do you have anything you want to say?
[13:56] Tor Karlsvalt hopes Ebony is looking at Lilith.
[13:56] Lilith Ivory is curious about the cedar meeting
[13:57]ย um, thanks
[13:57]ย he stares at my leash holder
[13:57]ย or she
[13:57]ย Well we have to get in gear for SL10
[13:57]ย i have an informal transcipt … wish i cd give it to ppl
[13:57]ย Lil has done a great job with the exhibit build.
[13:57]ย he
[13:57]ย itยดs not finished yet but comes along well so far
[13:57]ย I will be asking for some comments from citizens.
[13:58]ย great idea
[13:58]ย Cool
[13:58]ย I am thinking I will have some comments about what CDS means to people.
[13:58]ย > ; >
[13:58]ย so will be asking for that
[13:58]ย nice
[13:58]ย and we DO need a timeline of our history I think
[13:58]ย Also, probalby try to make a nice time line with historical pic as a backdrop.
[13:59]ย I have this in my head. I hope I can execute it.
[13:59]ย sounds exciting
[13:59]ย And we had a meeting with members of Cedar Island.
[14:00]ย It was this morning on the Quay.
[14:00]ย Really! What do they say?
[14:00]ย it was quite positive!
[14:00]ย as i said i wish my transcript cd tell you ….
[14:00]ย I see we have Dylan with us
[14:00]ย There seems to be some interest in some members of Cedar making a home hear. We are hoping Jon and Delia can bring a plan to the next meeting.
[14:00]ย *grins
[14:01]ย im not from Cedar just a friend of Pips
[14:01]ย yes, Dylan is a member of Cedar.
[14:01]ย hehe
[14:01]ย hehe.
[14:01]ย im observing a SL democracy
[14:02]ย Perhaps we could make sure the Cedar group is notified of our RA meetings.
[14:02]ย that transcript – i am sure everyone agreed to be recorded?
[14:02]ย Pip?
[14:02]ย there was a bit of coming and going
[14:02]ย yes will will post it to our forum
[14:02]ย good idea tor … cd someone im them all the IP of the Forum and the portal?
[14:03]ย I know Delia passed the link to the portal.
[14:03]ย I gave them the portal this morning
[14:03]ย but it would not hurt to do it again.
[14:03]ย Can I call an official end here?
[14:03]ย the sooner they start contributing the sooner theyll feel a part of CDS
[14:03]ย sure, I am don’e
[14:03]ย done
[14:03]ย and me
[14:03]ย Ok move to adjorn
[14:03]ย vote
[14:03]ย second
[14:03]ย Aye
[14:03]ย I agree Pip. I came to meetings before I decided to buy land.
[14:04]ย aye
[14:04]ย ?~~?~~APPLAUSE~~?~~?
[14:04]ย Ok thanks all for attendingSwearing in of Nolligan Nino 04 June 2013
Night gathers and now my watch beginsRA Meeting 15 June 2013
-Discussion of removal of RA member for non-attendance.
-Appreciation to Sudane Erato and Rosie Gray for work on New Schloss recorded.
-Discussion of Community Events Site Committee. The Fairground Committee created and Tanoujin Milestone appointed to chair.
-Discussion of deficit and potential tier increase. Tabled to July 6 in order to hear Chancellor report and recommendations.
No Laws passed.
[07:09]ย Calling the meeting to oprder
[07:09]ย Have we read and approved the agenda?
[07:09]ย yes
[07:09]ย I approve
[07:09]ย yes
[07:10]ย Well as we have nop reports we hjave no speakers
[07:10]ย Dear citizens .. any concerns?
[07:11]ย if you are in the mood for entertainment I could say something about SL10 at the end of the meeting
[07:11]
[07:11]ย I like that idea
[07:11]ย Yes thank you Lilith .. that would be great
[07:11] Lilith Ivory smiles
[07:11]ย I have something to say when it’s my turn…
[07:12]ย Ok .. RA any concerns?
[07:12] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand
[07:12]ย Well Noli first
[07:12] Tanoujin Milestone nods
[07:12]ย then Tan
[07:12]ย Noli
[07:14]ย well two things – re: item 2 establishing a a committee for temporary events would this committee be authorised to ‘ok’ temporary builds?
[07:14]ย No
[07:14]ย or would it have to be overseen by the RA? – what would be it’s powers
[07:14]ย Could we address that when we get to that item please ?
[07:15]ย ok – in that case if It had no powers to suthorise then personally – I can see no function for it
[07:15]ย Sorry new keyboard hahahahaha
[07:16]ย – the other matter I will wait until Ainy Other Business
[07:16]ย hehe
[07:16]ย I have noted that questions, nolligan, I support the LRA to have the discussion when we come to that item
[07:16]ย ok thanks .. Tan?
[07:16]ย I see there is no executive present
[07:16]ย may I ask whether the chancellor is excused?
[07:16]ย Yes I noted the same
[07:17]ย he only has to be here once a month if I remember right
[07:17]ย nods
[07:17]ย did he get an invitation to speak here today?
[07:17]ย But I understand he ios only contracted to attend one RA meeting a month
[07:17]ย well, for the record, I am not amused, we have an Item on the agenda that affects the executive
[07:17]ย done
[07:18] Lilith Ivory raises her hand
[07:18]ย Noted thank you Tan
[07:18]ย I myself have a concern
[07:18]ย Razzy
[07:18]ย She’s a friend and I like her
[07:19]ย Its great she volunteers
[07:19]ย .. but she hardly ever turns up
[07:19]ย How long should we leave it before we remove her?
[07:20]ย I think we cant without impeachment
[07:20]ย and i would refrain from that
[07:20]ย she never swore in
[07:20]ย That is true Ran
[07:20]ย I might have to look if there are any procedures about that
[07:21]ย Could you please Lil .. we need all five us active
[07:21] Lilith Ivory nods
[07:21]ย Thank you
[07:21]ย people, if we remove her, we need a 5th member or we are done ๐
[07:21]ย give me a few days to search old laws and procedures as I donยดt think we had a case like this lately
[07:21]ย in this case we needed a bielection again
[07:22]ย We would have to ask for a by-election
[07:22] Lilith Ivoryย s
[07:22]
[07:22]ย is Razzy excusedtoday?
[07:22]ย No
[07:22]ย not a word
[07:22] Tanoujin Milestone scratches her head
[07:22]ย I only saw her shortly at the inaugurial ball
[07:22]ย can we remove someone who is not on the RA? She is still a elect
[07:23]ย I need to look for this as I donยดt want to say something wrong now
[07:23]ย Yes she came for some of that .. I’ll try to catch her and see if she wants to stay .. or feels she can’t
[07:24]ย Ok .. well something it would be good to know the way to go
[07:24]ย Moving on
[07:25]ย We have no outstanding business
[07:25]ย New business
[07:26]ย you mean I can raise an item not on the agenda now?
[07:26]ย I propose we put it on record our appreciation on behalf of the citizens .. to Rosie and Sudane for their wonderful work on the new Schloss
[07:27]ย nods
[07:27] Nolligan Nino nods
[07:27]ย i second
[07:27]ย an excellent job
[07:27]ย yes, and a good example how things can get done
[07:28]ย No Noli after what is on the agenda .. usually it should be on it .. if you tell me a couple of days before I can add it
[07:28]ย ah ok – I’m still a noob at this
[07:28]ย Yes Brava from me ..
[07:28]ย Yes I know
[07:28]ย Nevertheless we can shift something on the agenda unanimously, if I remember right
[07:29]ย Was this a theoretical question, Nolligan?
[07:30]ย Tan want to take this seat?
[07:30]ย i apologize
[07:30]ย Thanks
[07:30]ย ok in order
[07:31]ย Committee to find the best common ground to be set aside to hold events
[07:31]ย raises hand
[07:31]ย I sdpoke to Tor yesterday about this
[07:31]ย one sec Ran
[07:32]ย And he is in favour of said committee .. in fact he wants lead by by an RA member
[07:32]ย Ok Ran
[07:33]ย am confused what is the purpose of this committee
[07:33]ย ?
[07:33] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand to offer an answer
[07:34]ย To evaluate the various sites .. plus look at the construction of a new amphitheatre
[07:34]ย Tan?
[07:34]ย do the decisions mean anything?
[07:34]ย I summarized the discussion here: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4043
[07:34]ย it is about designating fair grounds to have off covenant events
[07:35]ย we discussed that at the end of the last term
[07:35] Lilith Ivory raises her hand
[07:35]ย Well the committee answers to RA … so e need a volunteer to chair it and then we vote on its findings
[07:35]ย Lil
[07:36]ย shouldnยดt the construction of a new amphitheatre be something the artisan guild takes care about? and didnยดt they get that job already?
[07:37]ย Not what Tor said
[07:37]ย hear, hear
[07:37]ย raises hand
[07:37]ย Don’t forget the guild are an NGO
[07:37]ย Ran?
[07:38]ย lets rephrase this will the committee be able to approve or just recommend?
[07:39]ย Recommend to us ..
[07:39]ย may I?
[07:40] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand
[07:40]ย And yes Tan I know about the forum thread .. however as per uisual a lot of woprds were spoken and nothing happerned
[07:40]ย Tan
[07:40]ย it is just for information
[07:40]ย raises hand
[07:40]ย the thread
[07:41]ย okay, i would volunteer to chair such a commission with the condition we focus on the fair ground topic
[07:41]ย Yes .. this is if you like the continuation
[07:41]ย Ok thats good
[07:41] Fern Leissa raises hand
[07:41]ย Fern?
[07:41]ย Hi Sudane
[07:41]ย the Theatre topic needs much work, it could block the decision about the fair grounds
[07:41]ย hi
[07:41]ย done.
[07:41]ย Hi Sudane
[07:41]ย If I may make a citizens comment…
[07:41]ย Hi Sudane
[07:42]ย Please do Fern
[07:42]ย I think that a permanent fairground is not necessarily a good thing and would like to see this type of thing discussed as the need arrises
[07:43]ย it seems like this was generagted out of a misunderstanding btw several citizens. I do not feel the ra should legislate all misunderstandings
[07:43]ย done
[07:43]ย ty
[07:43]ย (very good point, fern)
[07:43] Shep Titian
[07:43]ย The fairground will simply be the designate space for certain events
[07:44]ย To avoid the situation that arose ovr a couple of events
[07:45]ย There are absolutely NO plans for any permanent structures on it/them
[07:46]ย Ok then since Tan volunteers to chair the committee and report to us .. I think thats all we need for now .. Tan do you need any recruiting?
[07:47]ย Volunteer all persons present here
[07:47]ย hehe
[07:47]ย I will call for meetings and discussion
[07:47] Lilith Ivory grins
[07:47]ย hehehehehehe
[07:47]ย hehe
[07:47]ย Anyone want to join the committee?
[07:48]ย I would imagine Bags might be interested
[07:48]ย knok, knock, Hi its me, Tan, I want to talk about the fair — slam
[07:48]ย yes, I will ask bags
[07:48] Nolligan Nino has other commitments
[07:48]ย Can’t speak for her of course
[07:49]ย hehehe Silence is deafening eh ๐
[07:50]ย Tan what shall we call your committee?
[07:50]ย that is bc the negotiations need to be secret _D
[07:50]ย Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
[07:50]ย I will do my best. Lets go on?
[07:50]ย Feels things crawl out of woodwork
[07:50]
[07:51]ย WEll just call it The Fairground Committee
[07:51]ย yes, Madam
[07:51]ย ok moving on .. Noli you wish to bring something up?
[07:52]ย if it’s ok
[07:52]ย You have the floor
[07:53]ย I am of the opinion that the finances of CDs need a careful examination. as the last set of accounts show an ongoing deficit – which iMHO is very serious
[07:55]ย I would like to propose a consultation exercise to see what solutions we can gather form the c itizens and our friends
[07:55] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand
[07:55]ย Tan
[07:56]ย I see the Treasurer is attending – let us ask her how serious the deficit is
[07:56]ย Sudane, would you drop us a line?
[07:57]ย Sudane .. would you be prepared to give us some words?
[07:57]ย sure…. but i’m not sure i understand the context of the question
[07:57]ย are we discussing the budget?
[07:58]ย Yes .. Noli is concerned that we are running in defecit
[07:58]ย ahh… ok
[07:58]ย well, yes we are… a small one
[07:58]ย there are 2 issues
[07:59]ย one is that we need to try to sell more land
[07:59]ย thus the conversation about LA
[07:59]ย and the second is that a few terms ago, we drastically lowered tier
[07:59]ย and i think perhaps we should slightly raise it again
[08:00]ย keep in mind that the deficit is small
[08:00]ย raises hand
[08:00]ย and that we have large reserves… so we are in no danger
[08:00]ย but
[08:00]ย After Sudane Ran
[08:00]ย we should correct the situation while it is still comfortable to do so
[08:00]ย done
[08:01]ย Thank you Sudane
[08:01]ย Ran
[08:01]ย Sudane how would you correct the situation?
[08:01]ย by dealing with those 2 issues
[08:02] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand
[08:02]ย take steps to sell more land
[08:02]ย and raise the tier
[08:02]ย Tan
[08:02]ย I mean should we raise rates and adjust them each term?
[08:02]ย Micro manage?
[08:03]ย Ranma, i think not
[08:03]ย I think we should take the tier raise on the agenda for the next meeting and ask whether 6% is enough to improve the situation
[08:03]ย No .. could get messy
[08:03]ย no in the Corps of Engineers rates are adjusted as needed
[08:03]ย me/raises hand
[08:03]
[08:04]ย ooooooooh whispered
[08:04]
[08:05] Fern Leissa raises hand … really
[08:05]
[08:06]ย Fern I called you
[08:06]ย Sorry Shep
[08:06]ย nps
[08:06]ย I believe I was on the ra when we voted to lower tier
[08:07]ย The idea behind doing so was to try to get more citizens to join us. We were worried about LA (if you can believe that ^^)
[08:07]ย But… frankly I think I’d say it hasn’t worked
[08:07]ย hehe
[08:07]ย Ok well I will add this to next meeting’s agenda
[08:07]ย However in the meantime… I think is see some citizens have bought/are supporting more land
[08:07] Nolligan Nino raises hand
[08:08]ย And they may be doing so because it it cheaper… so I’m not sure what the fix is
[08:08]ย done
[08:08]ย Thanks Fern .. Noli
[08:08]ย raises hand
[08:08]ย Firstly – many thanks to Sudane for addressing my concerns I now know that.the deficit is small and is partly due to a lowering of tier.
[08:08]ย personally- I would still like to see how we can achieve the desired result of selling more land and increasing traffic.
[08:08]ย So I would like to initiate a consultation exercise – and attempt to get people involved.
[08:09]ย I may be a missed guided fool doomed to failure – but I’d still like to try…
[08:09]ย done
[08:09]ย raise hand
[08:09] Tanoujin Milestone notes we have another volunteer
[08:09]ย Sudane
[08:10]ย i think Ranma was before me?
[08:10] )))
[08:10]ย Oh sorry
[08:10]ย Ran?
[08:10]ย taps fingers
[08:10]ย Slaps fingers
[08:10]ย you understand I was not finished talking several times
[08:11]ย the way we do things breaks up the free exchange of infomation, takes more time
[08:11]ย I apologise … I wish people would use the typing or hand waving AOs so you know if more is coming
[08:12]ย it makes these meetings more painful than the ones at work
[08:12]ย Shep, you might consider requiring that
[08:12]ย if I could figure out how to use it on the new viewer
[08:12]ย Ok we’ll talk later
[08:13]ย I did not get that, Ranma, I hope you will explain? Later, maybe?
[08:13]ย Yes I know a lot don’t like them .. but just for meetings would
[08:13]ย no, the RA members are being silenced during the meetings
[08:13]ย pfft
[08:14]ย Rubbish
[08:14]ย might as well be a non member
[08:14]ย you interupted me 3 times
[08:14]ย Ok .. how would you do it?
[08:15]ย a more free flow, we are typing not talking
[08:15]ย What do you mean free flow? everyone at once?
[08:15]ย the ra members should be able to talk without such a control and no
[08:16]ย we have taken an hour and a quarter and have done almost nothing
[08:16]ย mostly waiting
[08:16]ย And what should we have done?
[08:17]ย if we have to maybe give out so much time for an ra member to speak like the us congress
[08:17]ย We gave official thanks for the Schloss
[08:17]ย roberts rules of order
[08:18]ย We arranged a committee to research the fairgrounds
[08:18]ย We had a few words from Sudanme in responce to Noli’s concers
[08:18]ย they will talk and someone else will make a motion and it will be for nothing
[08:19]ย but it is their time
[08:19]ย Ok Ran .. I’ll hand the next meeting over to you
[08:19]ย how about giving each member a few minutes of uninterupted time
[08:19]ย sure thing
[08:19]ย You do the agenda .. don’t forget the notice and the forum notice
[08:20]ย nods
[08:21]ย I want you to tell me what should jhave been achieved today that was’nt
[08:22]ย am all ears
[08:23]ย No Ranma YOU tell ME
[08:23]ย excuse me, i lost track… do we approve Nolligan’s consultation and involvement exercise?
[08:23]ย Yes I do
[08:23]ย great, me too
[08:23]ย sureShep Titian
[08:23]ย Go for it .. we all have ๐
[08:23]ย thank you…
[08:24]ย and I forgot the speaking order too – please bear with me – who had the floor?
[08:24]ย give me a couple moments
[08:24]ย I’m waiting for Ran
[08:24]ย ah! Okay
[08:24]ย i lose my train of thought easily one of the gifts of the war
[08:25]ย we do need to make things more streamlined and actually do something about the budget which reminds me needs to be done
[08:26]ย the budget! right!
[08:26] Tanoujin Milestone rises habd
[08:26]ย we need to set priorities for the government and then let them do it
[08:26]ย that it
[08:27]ย Tan
[08:27]ย thank you
[08:28]ย when tier was reduced, how much was that, does anyone remeber?
[08:28]ย Fern, maybe?
[08:28]ย Before my time
[08:29]ย Sudane may have percentage?
[08:29]ย I would like to ask Sudane to present a suggestion next time, with real numbers, would that be okay?
[08:29]ย nods
[08:29]ย Tor mentioned 6% last term
[08:29] Nolligan Nino nods in agreement
[08:29]ย Sudane would you please do that for us?
[08:30]ย yes…. but actually, Tor has prepared this proposal
[08:30]ย and I will defer to him to present it
[08:31]ย raises hand
[08:31]ย I see, thank you
[08:31]ย OK I’ll try to tie him down and make sure he knows he’s needed
[08:31]ย i’ll be happy to remind him
[08:31] Lilith Ivory smiles
[08:31]ย and forgive me… i must leave… another meeting…
[08:31]ย ๐
[08:31]ย Ran
[08:31] , Sudane, thank you
[08:31]ย I move we raise tier 6 percent
[08:31]ย Sudane hun
[08:32]ย see you Sudane
[08:32]ย Feel it needs a bit more clarity
[08:32] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand
[08:33]ย WEhich is why its on the agenda for the next meeting
[08:33]ย Tan
[08:33]ย Ranma, I am much in the mood to second, but i would like to hear Tor on it first
[08:34]ย so let us get it done next time, okay?
[08:34]ย it affects all citizens
[08:34]ย we know we are short what can Tor possibily say?
[08:34]ย Personally I would prefer to lose LA
[08:34]ย we should make sure we do it in a proper way
[08:34]ย ??
[08:35]ย it is his proposal
[08:35]ย Putyting rents up in the current climate is plain silly
[08:35]ย just hijacked it
[08:35]ย lets have a vote up or down
[08:36]ย I’m not inclined to call random votes
[08:36]ย this has been coming since before the 18th term
[08:36]ย We have no commission reports .. no exec to report .. and no general announcements
[08:37]ย Therefore next RA meeting
[08:37]ย I suggest one month
[08:38]ย Saturday 13th July?
[08:38]ย 2 weeks
[08:38]ย No
[08:38]ย in one months time my time zone will be Irish Summer Time which is Central European Time -1 hour
[08:38]ย Once a month is enough
[08:38]ย the chancellor might want to have his budget aproved
[08:39]ย I should have text only viewer access to sl
[08:39]ย and I might want to see it ๐
[08:39]ย Well he should post it first
[08:40]ย good point, eh?
[08:40]ย I’ll compromise at three weeks
[08:40]ย 6th July
[08:40]ย What time?
[08:41]ย This time works for me
[08:41]ย am good at most times
[08:41]ย nods
[08:41]ย Ok 7am …
[08:41]ย okay!
[08:41]ย next meeting SAt 6th July ast 7 am SLT
[08:41]ย I move to adjkourn
[08:42]ย second
[08:42]ย Adjourtn
[08:42]ย Gives up
[08:42]ย Vote
[08:42]ย aye, and thank you all
[08:42]ย aye
[08:42]ย ayeRA Meeting 6 July 2013
-Dean of SC clarified removal process for RA Members. (Impeachment only.)
-Fairground Committee report: work in progress, nothing to report yet.
-Discussion of RA Procedure to show when speaking.
-Election of Nolligan Nino as RA Pro Tem.
-Discussion of future of Locus Amoenus.
-Discussion of tier increase.
-Recognition of volunteers for SL 10 B.
No laws passed.
๏ฟผby Bagheera ยป Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:36 am
Shep Titian [07:05] Ok the agenda is in the box on the table .. please take a copy and we will begin
[07:05] May I say its lovely to see so many here
[07:05] yes
[07:08] good moving on
[07:08] Nolligan I believe you want to speak on the LA issue?
[07:10] shortly
[07:12] I’ll rephrase that Tor I hope you will have an executive statement
[07:12] Ah good
[07:13] ok .. Citizens concerns .. please only things not covered by the rest of the agenda
[07:15] missed you there .. please what did you want to say?
Because it was discussed at that previous meeting and is present in the transcript of that meeting, I think it is important that this transcript also contain the following observations, so that anyone reviewing transcripts for information will see it..
[07:15] Barring impeachment for actions seriously damaging CDS or wilfully contravening the Constitution etc. , (as Tanoujin mentioned) there is no process for the RA to remove one of its own members, sworn in or not. To allow for such a thing would leave the constant possibility of RA members at risk of removal to block dissent. The only mechanism for removal of a RA member who is felt to not be doing their job well enough is failure to reelect them by the citizens of CDS.
[07:16] Done.
[07:19] seems very clear and well constructed
[07:22] But Tan it might be worth exploring certainly
[07:23] Or rather a concern
[07:24] Looks forward to new business
[07:26] oop lost Tan
[07:29] Ah there
[07:31] done
[07:33] there is a sidenote on the agenda .. asking people to say Done clearly when finished on a subject .. I know some of you already do
[07:37] in Cool VL viewer and imp anyhow
[08:09] What we need is a vigorous debate about the future of LA and more importantly a commitment to action.
[08:10] Now is the time to commence that debate.
[08:10] DONE
[08:10] Pip
[08:15] AM and LA are both $295.00 per month
[08:16] Widget?
[08:17] Widget Whiteberry is really done
[08:19] Yes Tor
[08:21] done
[08:22] and if there has been anything from Delia or Jon on that
[08:22] done
[08:23] Lilith?
[08:25] Tan was next
[08:25] ..didnt mean to hit enter..sorry
[08:28] I had also been wanting to hold events but was told to hold off until after Cedar Island was resolved.
[08:30] Yes I agree homestaed prims are more expensive.
[08:30] done
[08:33] Fern
[08:34] Lilith
[08:36] Ranm,a
[08:38] ahem
[08:39] can I speak?
[08:39] Rosie
[08:40] 7 day on any vote please
[08:41] done
[08:42] So go ahead
[08:45] oh sorry syes
[08:46] Before coming to CDS, I was the EM for a full sim. I was VERY attached to it, as attached as I might be to real land. Within my time constraints, I tried many ways to make it pay, but it wouldn’t. It was wrenching to leave it behind. But, once I settled in here, all that went away.
[08:46] The existing theme begs for rp โฆ.. but I don’t think it’s the only problem.
[08:46] Having no attachment to LA and just listening to talk about it these past months, I’m in favor of closing LA and focusing our efforts on the remaining 4 sims.
[08:47] Finally, a question: if we do that, close LA, have we resolved the persistent money leak?
[08:47] DONE (and thank you)
[08:50] Ok Calli is leaving shortly .. but for the record she has left this comment that I entirely agree with .: I suggest asking Cedar to give some reply by a certain date – its unresonable for CDS to keep waiting on a possibility that has only sen one person form there speak about it or show interest here.
[08:57] on the summary page, if you have the tier rate, you will see how differing rates affect the balance of payments of LL tier. I note, that there are expenses over and above tier.
[08:58] Possibly shep. Tho that is uncertain.
[08:59] I also need to update a few occupancy codes. We have had a couple of new people since I posted that sheet.
[08:59] done
[09:03] (back from the shower
[09:06] that could be done again and advertised – its not as if each parcel hasnt been sold and covered its initial cost many times already
[09:06] done
[09:07] Get iot on record
[09:08] Enjoy hun
[09:10] Agree to move on Birch?
[09:10] Moonrise Azalee smiles
[09:12] He needs a poke
[09:12] me?
[09:13] But I can just jet it in if you like.
[09:13] here or in the forum?
[09:14] I do ask that we have another RA this month however.
[09:16] No we can do a monthly one
[09:17] One way or another.
[09:18] tho i can do it
[09:18] ok so August 3rd, Saturday 8am
[09:19] ive got to get back onto the forums for discussion further regarding topics today.
[09:22] at best I expected it to be tabled today anyway.
[09:23] First let me state we had a successful exhibit at SL10B. I heard from a number of you via IM and some posted to the forum how well they enjoyed the exhibit. I must thank some for all the hard work they did for CDS in putting on the exhibit. First of all, Lilith Ivory make a wonderful pavilion. I think without her work we would not have had such a successful exhibit. But also important were the contributions from Sudane, who always comes through with an informative exhibit about our mission, Gwyn who provided some old pictures and a history of CDS, Trebor who ed assembled some historic dates and um, myself for creating the timeline. (Don’t want to be immodest but that was some work.)
[09:23] I will place the exhibit on some land I own in Alpine Meadow for any who might have missed it.
[09:24] I would also note that we have some new people in CDS. Fern is back as well as AmelieScarlett,
Cleo Xigalia, and Seraphiel Galaxy. We have one other old timer who’s name escapes me at the moment.
[09:25] WOOT
[09:26] Anyone else got anything?RA Meeting 3 August 2013
๏ฟผby Bagheera ยป Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:56 am
Tanoujin Milestone [08:14] Volunteers to chair in case LRA does not show up until 8:20?
[08:17] Ranma? Do you need a motion?
[08:17] yes please
[08:18] aye
[08:20] review and approve agenda
[08:20] done
[08:24] anyone else?
[08:25] any citicens concerns?
[08:25] citizens
[08:26] sorry, new to this meeting format
[08:29] i’m rfeferring to COVENANTS
[08:29] woint make any difference
[08:31] you can speak noe
[08:32] now
[08:32] okies Cleo your turn
[08:33] By virtue of the many number of times Tor has been elected or made chancellor by default because no one else ran, it would seem the majority of the citizens MUST be pleased with his work.
[08:33] personally i question most the hobo camp and red underwear
[08:33] done
[08:35] The issue has been dealt with and it will be removed.
[08:35] we may form time to time have anachronims
[08:36] we have others visible in LA now, by several citizens
[08:36] Also, we will be updating the covenant and theme of LA to be more tolerant and modern.
[08:38] finally
[08:38] New people in CDS this summer;
Fern Leissa, CN
Carlo Islar, LA
Kate Miranda, of Cedar Island, LA
Covey Homewood, of Cedar Island, LA
Manfed Tomsen, NFS
KarenSunshine Renierd (karensunshine emerald), CN
AmelieScarlet Resident, NFS
Seraphiel Galaxy, NFS
Caesar Xigalia, CN and NFS
[08:38] done
[08:41] new business
[08:41] h
[08:43] we are waiting Cleo
[08:44] Alexia your turn
[08:44] My personal opinion is that CDS should strongly protect the environmental and architectural quality of Locus Amoenus. I therefore propose either an entirely built sim – or 2nd option a “catalogue” of houses to rez – or (3rd option at worst) a redefinition of covenants with a strict control – which up to now we largely demonstrate we are not able to manage or guarantee.
[08:45] Tor any comments?
[08:46] It is actually modest.
[08:47] done
[08:50] thank you, Raqnma, well done!
[08:50] *buddist
[08:51] and a benedictine abbey as well
[08:54] Vote
[08:56] Ok moving on ..
[09:01] since you’ve ratified it without discussion, I request tht an item be added to the next RA agenda, authorizing 75,000 lindens to be used for advertising of the CDS, as discussed on the Forums with the support of Sudane and others
[09:02] This would be a special expenditure or whatever you want to call it. Done.
[09:03] It goes well with the redesign
[09:03] Fern
[09:04] I believe it is the responsibility of the the ra to change themes/covenants for sims. Not the guild nor the chancellor
[09:04] Last time.. if I remember correctly the LRA appointed a committee to make recommendations to the ra
[09:05] ok
[09:07] Cleo after Ran then Delia
[09:07] ty
[09:08] Cleo
[09:13] Thanks
[09:13] Calli and Alexia have also advanced plans there and to me personally.
[09:13] So has Candace
[09:14] my guidlines are not intended to be rigid.
[09:14] done.
[09:15] welcome Carolo
[09:15] Carlo
[09:15] done
[09:16] done
[09:17] I wonder if we can place the discussion of the LA sim theme at the guild and adopt the rest of Tor’s proposal. And I would like to hear Calli’s opinion on this.
[09:20] Can you go after Rosie
[09:20] Then Soro then Tor
[09:20] done
[09:23] One BASIC thing should be clear to whoever and all…
[09:23] Covenants .. themes.. “not rigid” what are we talking about? do we think that freedom of building is appealing for new citizens? it’s plenty of sandboxes out there.
[09:23] Do we want freedom of building or a high quality sim? please let’s focus on this point
[09:24] first
[09:24] I’m finished
[09:24] Tor
[09:24] I totally agree with Alexia
[09:25] done
[09:27] it was never intended to be a role playing set of sims.
[09:29] then Birch
[09:30] NOTHING will get done
[09:31] WEe have HAD committees
[09:32] They hjave reported it needs changing
[09:34] I honestly don’t thinkk any more ‘oh buts’ wioll do anythjing but delay us improving CDS
[09:34] so can we please ghet on with it .. we will NEVER please every single person .. but let us try
[09:36] o no wait ..
[09:41] including the time frame
[09:41] and building materials
[09:41] allowable
[09:42] but perhaps right now is not the appropriate time to work those out
[09:43] otherwise, I agree with what others have said, that we are leaving things too vague again
[09:43] and, specifically in regards to Tuscany
[09:44] done.
[09:45] If the design and covenants can be brought to RA together, after discussion on the Forums, we can actually get something done
[09:45] finished
[09:46] No go ahead
[09:46] me or Tan?
[09:48] hahahahahahahahaha
[09:49] done
[09:50] Vote
[09:52] did the RA research what they just voted on ?
[09:53] Moonrise Azalee is confused
[09:57] considdering the nature of the sims
[09:58] There is an interactive version of the proposal that all can use to see how different rates affect our balance sheet.
[10:00] I must state that we have a large reserve, over 9K
[10:00] we are not in any danger of folding.
[10:00] But we can use our resever for sim expansion or advancement not current living expenses.
[10:01] done
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc … lSEE#gid=0
[10:02] done
[10:03] O silence
[10:06] Delia
[10:10] Nay
[10:11] ))
[10:11] let nolli vote
[10:15] unless i asked for a 7 day
[10:15] there was no vote for me
[10:18] sure
[10:21] we represent the people
[10:21] not just ourselves
[10:22] So we can finish this meeting
[10:23] Please say no
[10:26] Now with projects underway I suggest twop weeks?
[10:26]
[10:32] its us for the peopleRA Meeting 31 August 2013
๏ฟผby Bagheera ยป Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:32 am
[08:19:07] Shep (shep.titian): OK .. Welcome all ..
[08:19:19] Birch (moonrise.azalee) waves
[08:19:21] Shep (shep.titian): Calling this meeting to order
[08:20:23] Shep (shep.titian): OIf we could glance through the agenda and approve
[08:21:01] Ranma Tardis: move we accept the agenda
[08:21:01] Shep (shep.titian): For those new to my aquaintance .. I apologise for typos
[08:21:31] Birch (moonrise.azalee): second
[08:21:46] Shep (shep.titian): Vote aye
[08:21:48] Ranma Tardis: aye
[08:21:50] Birch (moonrise.azalee): aye
[08:22:40] Shep (shep.titian): Do we have anyone with specific reason for speaking today?
[08:23:00] Shep (shep.titian): Tor I assume a report?
[08:23:18] Tor Karlsvalt: oh sure. A short one.
[08:23:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Now?
[08:23:46] Shep (shep.titian): No was waiting for agreement lol
[08:24:03] Shep (shep.titian): Moving on
[08:24:11] Tor Karlsvalt: Sure, I can give you a report.
[08:24:18] Shep (shep.titian): CVitizens concerns
[08:24:43] Shep (shep.titian): Ok no concerns
[08:24:52] Rosie Gray: ?
[08:25:03] Shep (shep.titian): RA .. any concerns?
[08:25:20] Ranma Tardis: not this meeting ๏ฟผ
[08:25:26] Birch (moonrise.azalee): not today
[08:25:33] Rosie Gray raises hand
[08:25:33] Shep (shep.titian): Excellent
[08:25:44] Shep (shep.titian): Ok .. next
[08:25:51] Shep (shep.titian): Old business
[08:26:21] Delia Lake: yes if tier increase is in the agenda. have concerns
[08:26:45] Soro Dagostino: As do I.
[08:26:58] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[08:27:29] Shep (shep.titian): All I have here is a confirmation that despite allowing Nolligan a 7 day vote .. the increase in tier remained defeated as Nolligan did’nt vote .. leaving a majority impossible
[08:27:52] Shep (shep.titian): Ranma first
[08:28:15] Rosie Gray whispers: hi Widget
[08:28:19] Shep (shep.titian): Hi Widget
[08:28:23] Ranma Tardis: correct me if I am wrong it was defeated and the supporters accept the outcome
[08:28:26] Widget Whiteberry: shhhh, sorry I’m late
[08:28:46] Lilith Ivory: Hi Widget
[08:28:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Widget
[08:29:23] Shep (shep.titian): The last we were officially qorate You and Tan persuaded me to allow Nolligan a 7 day vote
[08:29:48] Shep (shep.titian): This is the first official meeting to report on it
[08:29:57] Ranma Tardis: nods
[08:30:20] Shep (shep.titian): Cool
[08:30:51] Shep (shep.titian): from the floor Delia?
[08:31:28] Delia Lake: if it remains defeated im fine
[08:32:53] Shep (shep.titian): ๏ฟผ)) yes it does .. I was just making sure the defeat was official
[08:33:03] Shep (shep.titian): Soro?
[08:33:11] Rosie Gray: ยทยทโขยฐโขยทยท..? Applauds! ? ..ยทยทโขยฐโขยทยท..
[08:33:21] Birch (moonrise.azalee) grins
[08:33:31] Soro Dagostino: I am of the same opinion as Delisa
[08:33:35] Shep (shep.titian): LOL thank you Rosie
[08:33:39] Soro Dagostino: Delia*
[08:33:46] Rosie Gray: ๏ฟผ
[08:35:03] Shep (shep.titian): I can’t see Soro typing So Rosie
[08:35:12] Shep (shep.titian): yopu raised a hand
[08:35:49] Rosie Gray: oh sorry raised my hand earlier because I thought of a citizen concern
[08:36:04] Rosie Gray: am I too late?
[08:36:13] Shep (shep.titian): Oh I’m sorry I missed that
[08:36:31] Rosie Gray: well I was a bit late
[08:36:37] Rosie Gray: may I speak to it now?
[08:36:39] Shep (shep.titian): No I’ll allow as this seems finished
[08:36:50] Rosie Gray: okay thanks
[08:37:17] Rosie Gray: I ‘ve noticed that there seems to be a few citizens leaving boxes of stuff for sale
[08:37:27] Rosie Gray: floating around outside of buildings
[08:37:58] Rosie Gray: which isn’t appropriate, so would like a notice sent to them about it
[08:38:42] Shep (shep.titian): Maybe a Land Manager could send a note asking for them to be taken indoors
[08:38:43] Rosie Gray: that’s about it
[08:39:19] Rosie Gray: I thought perhaps it could be reiterated by RA that it is against covenants
[08:40:02] Shep (shep.titian): I think an Estate Manager .. then they can move them if we have people who won’t move them
[08:40:18] Rosie Gray: and I’m not referring to signs that are meant to be there… just either being careless with prims, or deliberately leaving them there
[08:40:31] Noma Falta is offline.
[08:40:39] Pip Torok writes himself a reminder not to leave opened boxes hanging round outside
[08:40:58] Rosie Gray: yes, an estate manager can send them back… just thought an official notice as a reminder would be a good idea
[08:41:24] Rosie Gray: I’m trying not to name a name here
[08:41:29] Birch (moonrise.azalee): boxes for sale are different than just boxes of stuff accidentally left
[08:41:35] Rosie Gray: but there is one person doing this deligberately
[08:41:37] Shep (shep.titian): There has been a gheneral state of people pushing boxes .. sorry … and we need a general tidy up
[08:41:40] Birch (moonrise.azalee): ((eek — sorry for speaking out of turn))
[08:41:58] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[08:42:04] Rosie Gray: done
[08:42:35] Shep (shep.titian): Ran
[08:43:02] Shep (shep.titian): I hear the name Rosie lol
[08:43:13] Ranma Tardis: correct me if I am wrong, that is an executive function not in the RA lane
[08:44:43] Shep (shep.titian): It is mostly Ran .. but RA makes the laws .. so I think we can join in
[08:44:43] Ranma Tardis: done
[08:44:49] Callipygian Christensen: oops
[08:45:00] Shep (shep.titian): Calli?
[08:45:38] Callipygian Christensen: I managed to TP myself across the sim..noting related to the meeting lol
[08:45:52] Birch (moonrise.azalee) grins
[08:46:24] Shep (shep.titian): hahahahahaha
[08:46:55] Shep (shep.titian): Ok moving on … New business
[08:46:55] Callipygian Christensen: however, if we are on exec and land stuff a moment, can we ask for a clarification of whether setting land to only allow people with payment info on file is within covenants or not?
[08:47:12] Callipygian Christensen: (sorry, Rosie and the boxes jogged my memory)
[08:47:52] Aliasi Stonebender: That’s a good question, although it depends on why it’s being set that way, I’d imagine.
[08:48:27] Shep (shep.titian): Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I would personally have to look that up .. but that is the only way to pay I believe
[08:48:57] Aliasi Stonebender: Well, no, you can pay with pure linden to the boxes. GETTING linden might be difficult but the trick is possible, i.e. third-party L$ sellers.
[08:48:57] Lilith Ivory: I confess I set a a few group owned parcels this way to deal with some griefers and didnยดt think about changing it back to normal (have to change that soon)
[08:48:58] Tor Karlsvalt: It might be a problem for events.
[08:49:07] Callipygian Christensen: traditonally that is a setting to avoid griefers – but there are other ways to deal with them and the payment info thing seems to fall toward the ‘ban lines’ side of things
[08:49:28] Shep (shep.titian): I know you can’t pay someone elses hippo .. I tried and it refunds you
[08:49:40] Metafictioner: ๏ฟผ
[08:49:57] Aliasi Stonebender: yes, but it’s not like they can’t hand you the money and you pay, as it were.
[08:50:40] Ranma Tardis: griefing? will someone please pay my meter in Caledon for 8 weeks
[08:50:44] Shep (shep.titian): Yes but the idea is to keep alts from being citizens
[08:50:56] Callipygian Christensen: I am confused – did I miss something that moved us on to hippo boxes?
[08:51:06] Lilith Ivory: I think itยดs an interesting question anyway which settings on private land are allowed and which are not
[08:51:31] Aliasi Stonebender: Just the main reason I could see to worry about that setting is ‘it might fall across the ‘general ban line’ prohibition’.
[08:51:31] Lilith Ivory: as we got a few new setting options lately
[08:51:32] Birch (moonrise.azalee): i dont think i have payment info on file
[08:51:54] Tor Karlsvalt: The covenants do require public access.
[08:52:00] Shep (shep.titian): Yes you do
[08:52:02] Callipygian Christensen: my original question was ‘is setting your land/store to only allow people with payment info on file with LL the same as bn lines, which are not permitted
[08:52:38] Shep (shep.titian): Oh sorry .. my mind went alt!!
[08:53:11] Rosie Gray: no doubt it did!
[08:53:15] Shep (shep.titian): Yes thats like saying I only want people with money
[08:54:04] Lilith Ivory: but what about the setting that only age vertified people are allowed on a parcel?
[08:54:32] Birch (moonrise.azalee): i took payment info off my file for a while due to issues i was having with Paypal. For many months
[08:54:49] Tor Karlsvalt: I think on setting begets another.
[08:54:59] Shep (shep.titian): Ok we don’t have the answer her at this time
[08:55:18] Shep (shep.titian): Can we move on
[08:55:23] Aliasi Stonebender: I’m pretty sure any banline that isn’t a specific user would fall prey to that, but that might be a question for the full SC.
[08:55:32] Aliasi Stonebender: I’ll try to remember to bring it up, next meeting.
[08:55:49] Shep (shep.titian): I’m happy to agenda it
[08:56:22] Shep (shep.titian): Ok new business
[08:58:32] Tor Karlsvalt gets coffee
[08:59:09] Shep (shep.titian): I thought it wise to state in a meeting that the covenants that have been in force in LA remain in force until the rebuild happens .. in the meantime there were a number pof people happy to work on the new ones .. Fern being one … and Rosie I wondered if the guild wanted to form a committee to work them out?
[08:59:51] Ranma Tardis: nods
[08:59:53] Rosie Gray: we could do that, if the RA requests
[09:00:35] Shep (shep.titian): Ok … no squeeking lol
[09:01:18] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[09:01:32] Shep (shep.titian): I propose we ask the Guild to form a committee to work out the new covenants for LA
[09:01:38] Ranma Tardis: second
[09:01:47] Shep (shep.titian): Calli
[09:02:34] Callipygian Christensen waits since Ranma has seconded to treat the proposal as a motion?
[09:02:47] Shep (shep.titian): Thank you
[09:02:50] Shep (shep.titian): Vote
[09:02:52] Ranma Tardis: lets vote aye
[09:02:54] Shep (shep.titian): Aye
[09:03:03] Birch (moonrise.azalee): Aye
[09:03:35] Shep (shep.titian): Good Rosie could we ask you to set that in motion ?
[09:03:44] Rosie Gray: yes
[09:03:49] Rosie Gray: ?
[09:03:51] Shep (shep.titian): Thank you
[09:03:55] Shep (shep.titian): Calli?
[09:04:41] Callipygian Christensen: Thank you. I drafted a concept map for the LA sim terraform and dropped it to those who have been aactive in the discusssion/planning – it is also on dispaly at the schoolhouse in NFS if people want to look
[09:04:54] Callipygian Christensen: done
[09:05:11] Rosie Gray *raises hand*
[09:05:36] Shep (shep.titian): And I will add that I like it very much and am sure Alexia will be happy
[09:05:48] Shep (shep.titian): Rosie
[09:05:56] Birch (moonrise.azalee) makes mental note to self to go take a look
[09:06:17] Pip Torok does the same
[09:06:19] Rosie Gray: yes just wanted to encourage anyone else who has a vision for the sim to also create a map drawing, and we can put it with the other two ideas.
[09:06:44] Rosie Gray: and echo that I like Calli’s too
[09:06:47] Rosie Gray: done
[09:07:23] Tor Karlsvalt likes Callie’s also.
[09:08:02] Shep (shep.titian): Seems we have a secret town developer amongst us ๏ฟผ
[09:08:18] Rosie Gray: poor Delia ๏ฟผ
[09:08:40] Callipygian Christensen: phhht..it’s a strating point but thank you for your comments everyone
[09:08:49] Shep (shep.titian): Tie her to her seat
[09:09:18] Shep (shep.titian): Ok moving on …
[09:09:51] Shep (shep.titian): 75k needed to advertise CDS on the grid
[09:10:30] Shep (shep.titian): I expected a slough of hands
[09:10:40] Tor Karlsvalt: ๏ฟผ
[09:10:43] Pip Torok raises hand
[09:12:11] Shep (shep.titian): Ok .. I propose we allow a sum of 75,000 be released to the executive .. for the reason of advertising and promoting the CDS around the grid
[09:12:24] Ranma Tardis: second
[09:12:43] Shep (shep.titian): Vote
[09:12:47] Ranma Tardis: aye
[09:12:47] Shep (shep.titian): Aye
[09:13:07] Birch (moonrise.azalee) raises hand
[09:13:30] Shep (shep.titian): Yes Birch
[09:13:35] Birch (moonrise.azalee) grins
[09:13:44] Birch (moonrise.azalee): give me a quick sec
[09:13:53] Callipygian Christensen: umm..Pip raised his hand back there?
[09:14:08] Pip Torok: imo a wise expenditure of 75000 will concentrate on 1. democracy its principles and virtues ..2, the community at present her and 3. the looknfeel of our sims .. done
[09:14:10] Shep (shep.titian): Pip
[09:14:34] Rosie Gray: ๏ฟผ
[09:15:01] Tor Karlsvalt: Well, always fun to have money to spend. I may need suggestions as to ad content and help creating ads.
[09:15:11] Birch (moonrise.azalee) nods…
[09:15:12] Birch (moonrise.azalee): Aye
[09:15:23] Shep (shep.titian): Ok passed
[09:16:22] Shep (shep.titian): We’ll have the treasurer arrange the funds Tor
[09:16:34] Tor Karlsvalt: ๏ฟผ
[09:16:39] Ranma Tardis: grins
[09:16:56] Widget Whiteberry would like to see a forum thread dedicated to ideas for promoting CDS
[09:17:01] Tor Karlsvalt hears the long sealed lock box creek open.
[09:17:12] Rosie Gray giggles
[09:17:23] Widget Whiteberry: hmmm, hears water from the creek
[09:17:46] Widget Whiteberry: soggy lindens?
[09:17:47] Shep (shep.titian): Is that a bat!! :O
[09:18:05] Tor Karlsvalt: damn I thought I caught them all.
[09:18:32] Shep (shep.titian): lol
[09:19:00] Shep (shep.titian): I have a fill in proposal
[09:20:41] Shep (shep.titian): I propose the RA employ the Guild to remake the amphitheatre and develop the parcel to facsilitate thelarger fairground rides we occasionally use
[09:21:15] Widget Whiteberry: I need to take care of something. Please excuse me.
[09:21:30] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand.
[09:21:36] Ranma Tardis: second
[09:21:55] Shep (shep.titian): Vote Aye
[09:22:11] Ranma Tardis: aye
[09:22:27] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand on a point of order
[09:23:03] Shep (shep.titian): Caslli
[09:24:32] Callipygian Christensen: Just as a moment to point out something – while this item has been discussed in the past it is not actually ON today’s agenda, so any citizen or the SC could, if they chose, challenge the validity of the vote. Since it HAS been discussed before I can’t see that happening, but I suggest strongly that anything you plan to vote on, whether you are calling it a proposal or motion, be on the agenda o the populace is aware.
[09:25:10] Shep (shep.titian): Yes Dean apologies
[09:25:23] Birch (moonrise.azalee): Voting now —- Aye
[09:25:36] Callipygian Christensen: nah, no apology needed – its not a problem, until some banshee decides it is ๏ฟผ
[09:25:56] Ranma Tardis: they need to run for ra
[09:26:13] Shep (shep.titian): Thank you .. Rosie if you will bear the work we are giving you .. please move forward
[09:26:44] Shep (shep.titian): Ok No commission reports
[09:26:55] Shep (shep.titian): Tor
[09:28:25] Rosie Gray nods
[09:29:26] Shep (shep.titian): Somebody bump the Chancellor
[09:30:01] Rosie Gray duly bumps
[09:30:42] Shep (shep.titian): Lets dop the rest
[09:30:56] Birch (moonrise.azalee) nods
[09:31:00] Ranma Tardis: nods
[09:31:40] Rosie Gray tries giving Tor a poke, again
[09:31:43] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry
[09:31:48] Birch (moonrise.azalee): Next meeting? I need to head to work.. is it possible to decide that?
[09:31:50] Shep (shep.titian): No general announcements
[09:31:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes, just a few things
[09:31:59] Shep (shep.titian): Next meeting
[09:32:11] Shep (shep.titian): Four weeks?
[09:32:20] Ranma Tardis: nods
[09:32:22] Tor Karlsvalt: We have some acts lined up for the fest.
[09:32:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Lindimoo, Jaynine, reggie sunset, Noma Faulta
[09:32:43] Shep (shep.titian): Tor go ahead
[09:32:49] Tor Karlsvalt: Working on a few more.
[09:33:02] Tor Karlsvalt: Lots of irons in the fire.
[09:33:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Also have several DJs
[09:33:26] Tor Karlsvalt: The theater is progressing.
[09:33:56] Tor Karlsvalt: The old theater has been removed and all are encouraged to visit the site to see what Cadence has built so far.
[09:34:07] Tor Karlsvalt: Done
[09:34:11] Birch (moonrise.azalee) stands, trying not to be tooo disruptive… ‘I’m off to work guys. Same bat time, same bat place, 4 weeks’
[09:34:31] Rosie Gray: bye Birch!
[09:34:32] josjoha: bye Birch, ty for the efforts in the RA
[09:34:35] Birch (moonrise.azalee): well, ill be back before then, but as far as meeting is concerned ๏ฟผ
[09:34:35] Pip Torok: a sight worth seeing btw
[09:34:36] Ranma Tardis: move we ajourn
[09:34:37] Lilith Ivory: bye Birch
[09:34:53] Shep (shep.titian): Bye hun
[09:35:07] Birch (moonrise.azalee): ๏ฟผ thank you all!
[09:35:11] Birch (moonrise.azalee): See you soon
[09:35:18] Lilith Ivory: I need to run too – see you guys )
[09:35:19] Tor Karlsvalt: bye Birch
[09:35:24] Shep (shep.titian): Tor are you done?
[09:35:25] Tor Karlsvalt: by Lil
[09:35:28] Birch (moonrise.azalee): oh, i second we adjourn
[09:35:29] Birch (moonrise.azalee): lol
[09:35:31] josjoha: bye Lillith
[09:35:34] Lilith Ivory is offline.
[09:35:35] Ranma Tardis: aye
[09:35:37] Shep (shep.titian): Bye Lil
[09:35:50] Shep (shep.titian): aye
[09:35:59] Shep (shep.titian): You’re free Ran
[09:36:12] Birch (moonrise.azalee): aye
[09:37:18] Shep (shep.titian): Next meeting as Ran says Sept 28th at 8 am
[09:37:31] Callipygian Christensen: after Tuesday or Wednesday i will be gone again for a wek or so, just as FYI
[09:37:38] Ranma Tardis: would say we had a very productive meeting
[09:38:13] Shep (shep.titian): Yes we did
[09:38:14] Pip Torok: agrees
[09:38:38] Shep (shep.titian): Looks forward to the events to promote CDS
[09:39:03] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah
[09:39:24] Tor Karlsvalt: I am going to have some little script for performers.
[09:39:42] Rosie Gray: good idea
[09:40:14] Shep (shep.titian): Cool
[09:40:38] Birch (moonrise.azalee): k, leaving for real *waves*
[09:40:55] Shep (shep.titian): Bye hunRA Meeting 28 September 2013
๏ฟผby Bagheera ยป Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:35 pm
Shep Titian [08:03] Calling the meeting to order
[08:04] Do people have the agenda?
[08:04] Meeting called to order, at 8:05:00SLT, 2013-09-28.
[08:04] This meeting is moderated by Pip Torok.
[08:04] Please touch the WorkHorse Meeting Recorder to confirm your attendance now.
[08:05] In attendance: Moonrise Azalee has agreed to be recorded.
[08:05] In attendance: Callipygian Christensen has agreed to be recorded.
[08:05] In attendance: Soro Dagostino has agreed to be recorded.
[08:05] In attendance: Ludo Merit has agreed to be recorded.
[08:05] In attendance: josjoha Resident has agreed to be recorded.
[08:05] In attendance: Ranma Tardis has agreed to be recorded.
[08:06] Meeting adjourned at 8:06:42SLT.
[08:07] All got one now?
[08:08] aye
[08:08] thank you Ran
[08:09] Hi Tor
[08:09] Hi all
[08:10] Citizens concerns?
[08:11] What Jos?
[08:13] ๏ฟผ
[08:14] Thank you
[08:15] Jos .. you are always keen
[08:17] Hi Rosy
[08:21] Oh – sorry – was there some? I thought you asked about elections.
[08:22] I’m sorry Jamie am I boring you?
[08:23] I will assume that you all know how to ensure you can vote
[08:24] Ok .. I just wanted to remind everyone
[08:25] Let me just add I did’nt think this meeting was going to happen
[08:26] I was told that Ranma was boycotting future meetings to force us to be inquorate .. so I did’nt sask around
[08:28] Moving on
[08:30] (Wouldn;t want to bore you otherwise.)
[08:32] Jos and Jamie
[08:33] josjoha Resident *raises hand*
[08:35] thank you
[08:35] Pip
[08:37] Jamie?
[08:38] I always thought that a key draw of DCDS was the sheer visual look — and a more or less unified set of themes. Look at AM – lots of variables give room for lots of expression — but we are NOT Caledon with random floating skypunk stemawhatevers and nbeon As a result our vacancy rate has always been LOWER than Caledon’s Still is, based on what I roughly know – and would be even more so if Des had not closed sims at will.
[08:38] I don;t agree that covenant free building would improve CDS.
[08:38] WEe have mainland for that.
[08:38] A few Roman era enthusiasts wanted RA. The faction in piower ghave it to them, It has never sold well., Its theme is therefore flawed, in the sense of econonmically proven failure. Calli has a proposal to replace it.
[08:41] Then Jos
[08:43] Done foir noiw
[08:45] Tor then Birch then Ran
[08:47] I note that some builds have been in poor taste, poorly constructed and out of theme.
[08:47] Their only purpose was to make a political statement.
[08:47] In time these have been dealt with.
[08:47] done
[08:51] I also personally take just as much issue to places in the centres of NFS and CN, left empty
[08:51] i know thats not the topic here ut it contributes to the sometimes dismal-ish look
[08:51] done
[08:52] The city of Neufreistadt is modeled after a medieval Bavarian city with a surrounding valley. The time period is indeterminate.
[08:55] I do not advocake making the convalescents too weak but like real cities there is always the exception.
[08:57] Perhaps it needs to be rewritten to be “preindustrial” we would have to build them only like pre 1700
[08:57] the sims in reality would look like a slum
[08:58] you are taking a single passage and are wagging the dog with it
[08:58] again first part
[08:58] The city of Neufreistadt is modeled after a medieval Bavarian city with a surrounding valley. The time period is indeterminate.
[08:58] since it is first it overrides the second
[08:59] done
[09:01] Loads of them
[09:04] But as buildings are replaced they can be cleaned up
[09:05] oop sorry Rosy was in IM
[09:05] Jamie
[09:06] Ranma, I would never diss Caledon, a place run by an old friend of mind — and of CDS — who unofficially apprenticed HERE first, by the way. I attend and support their events and lived there for years — until my home sim there was closed — Ranma, you were resident there too — but CDN is simply an inappropriate model for CDS. Run differently, based on equally-valid but different models and goals.
[09:06] Jos, I think you have a valid point but the way we *usually* have successfully dealt with such thigns is — quiet intervention with the Chancellor first, THEN a decision, THEN a debate IF someone’s sitll unhappy. That makes for less fractiouslness
[09:06] DOne, thanks
[09:08] I just wante dto say a couple of things
[09:09] Oh, am I supposed to be done?
[09:10] then its RTosie and Pip
[09:11] Done
[09:14] then Rosie then Pip then Ranma
[09:15] Second
[09:17] In my memory here, NFS has had a wide range of styles.
[09:17] I remember a bauhaus build when I arrived.
[09:18] I think there was a victorian house also.
[09:18] done
[09:18] ah
[09:20] and give a reasonable amount of leaway for creativity
[09:21] I think that some of these issues have arisen because of the grandfathered builds that were let to slide from a long time ago
[09:22] we shouldn’t be letting new builds not conform, because that just perpetuates the problem
[09:24] and fit the covenants
[09:24] I feel that we should try to work together instead of at odds with one another
[09:24] done
[09:24] Pip
[09:30] there are amphitheaters and ruins of temples in Bavaria
[09:31] coughs
[09:34] I ask for tolerance not throwing the rules away. What is happening now sounds like the purification plan of a recent German government..
[09:37] thank you
[09:37] done
[09:38] 2nd
[09:42] i really think all builds need to be brought up to snuff and if solar panels are going to be allowed on homes in NFS, then we really need to look at the covenant and figure out a way to have that make sense. to me ‘built to look like a mideval bavarian villafe of an undetermined time ‘ means like.. any years within the medieval period… point being.. it should be brought across the board. too much confusion. Done.
As an example, look at Neufriestadt. One simple line in the covenants states that inside the city walls ‘ all plots must have a building’. The last time I walked around there were 4 or 5 plots with no building on the ground, and one with a beehive.
[09:43] A new resident walking through the city and deciding to buy a plot would probably assume that it will be ok to remove that fachwerk sitting on it, because others have clearly done so. If a beehive is ok, then perhaps a pen of chickens will be ok to
[09:44] Sooner or later someone will ask the Chancellor to act about one of these non-compliant plots, whether as a result of an aesthetic desire for improvement or a desire to harrass the owner – at that point the Chancellor must act. It’s a rock and a hard place – if the Chancellor enforces the rules, the resident who must bring their build into compliance points out that this isn’t fair, since a number of others aren’t following the Covenants either.If the Chancellor doesn’t the person filing the complaint will probably be squawking on the Forums that s/he isn’t doing her job or is playing favourites.
[09:44] So if we are going to have Covenants, they need to be monitored and enforced consistently. If we do not want such precise and detailed Covenants, then follow due process to get them changed. As others have pointed out in different threads, the ‘majority’ may now be a different set of people than in the past. I don’t necessarily agree with that observation, but if it is accurate, changing the Covenants is well within their rights and abilities.
[09:45] Personally, I would support a 90 day ‘bring your plots and builds up to covenant’ request from the Chancellor’s office. No grandfathering, no exceptions. If the residents were to do this voluntarily, then there really wouldn’t be a need for enforcement officers – but I am not holding my breathe on that
[09:45] -end of quoted text-
[09:46] suggesting *how* our covenants are written in the tabs is part of the problem – again I suggest that it still applies. Thak you – done.
[09:47] sorry cally
[09:47] I didn’t mean to intrude on your space.
[09:47] sorry to all
[09:48] The NFS Greek temple violation (to Tor): I notice these weeks where a special time in NFS with the house-tour which also passed the out of theme temples. I propose that the RA passes a guideline if necessary that buildings that are flagrantly out of theme are not allowed to persist past the opportunity to remove them; perhaps with a 2 day deadline to the builder. Sand boxes are for excercises..
[09:48] Theme strictness (in reply to Ranma): There is also ample of ancient Rome in the CDS already. Ranma says there are Roman ruins in Bavaria, this is true; however how many are there, did every small Bavarian village have them; it seems doubtful, secondly they would likely be in ruined not new state. Also there is already a heavy Roman precence in CDS, the idea that “Roman things can be visible in med-eaval Bavaria” is well provided for by the view on the Roman sims. When one says “desert theme,” does one rezz an oil refinery, because there are oil refineries in some deserts ?
[09:49] I prefer a theme-park look, to a mainland look. But I think that Ranma has a good point: the NFS village for example is somewhat homogenious ? Where are the farms ? Where are the homes that aren’t fachwerk (wasn’t fachwerk for the well-to-do ?). Where are the swines, the oxen, the stinking runoff. The middle ages had a lot of fun to offer. In the same way the Roman sims all show the upper aristocracy their palaces; in reality there was more small places, poor dwellings, also farms, all kinds. The selection within the theme seems narrow, giving that theme-park look ?
[09:50] I concur with Birch, maybe we can have “Covenant compliance month” to give citizens a chance to comply debatable choices, and then do a strict review. thanks, done.
[09:50] ty (sorry for length)
[09:50] Jos, you took my place
[09:52] and you are right Jos, they would not be like new, they would be old… not necessarily ruins, but old
[09:52] it is common sense and I don’t understand what the issue is around that
[09:52] Ranma, you seem to equate ‘perfect’ builds with questions of theme
[09:53] and to me that doesn’t make sense
[09:53] the idea of ‘perfect’ would mean something created that looks realistic…
[09:53] it’s not a matter of the theme
[09:54] so I would ask that you consider using more specific words when you are talking about these issues because using general language makes it hard to understand what you really mean
[09:54] done
[09:56] I belived this was overlooked when the covenants were rewritten.
[09:56] Second, I do not seek a pure sim.
[09:56] CDS is quirky in that we have themes but live in the modern world. We are not RP.
[09:57] In my mind, we marry the themes to what we like to do.
[09:58] done
[09:59] IO like the idea of a concerted clean up .. if the chancellor and the guild did it together
[10:06] I saw JKos
[10:07] somehow we need a law that is clear & clean, enforceable, enforced
[10:07] ty done
[10:09] in NFS
[10:11] afk a sec Birch in charge
[10:11] ( )
[10:13] done
[10:14] Moonrise Azalee looks over agenda
[10:14] Do we have commission reports?
[10:16] ?
[10:16] should be a good show
[10:16] Moonrise Azalee wants to go in to work late so i can catch them first
[10:17] Tomorrow we have the Ball.
[10:17] at noon
[10:17] With our wonderful Callie as DJ.
[10:18] no commissions
[10:19] but this will be short
[10:21] So no matter what our disagreements, I think we have achieved a great thing.
[10:21] I now I have been honored to serve as Chancellor.
[10:22] Financially, most of our parcels in the four sims excluding LA
[10:22] are sold
[10:23] I admit I have been so busy with the fest that this has gotten pushed back.
[10:23] But Widget has some good ideas and we will look at other options.
[10:23] done
[10:24] ok next meeting
[10:25] Oct 19 or 26?
[10:26] i thought wed been meeting every two weeks
[10:26] was falling into a routine,
[10:26] ๏ฟผ
[10:27] sheesh yes
[10:27] ok 19th?
[10:27] oh
[10:27] nvm
[10:27] 8
[10:28] <---forgot she has to be at work by noon usually
Shep Titian [10:28] fine for me .. Ran any problem?
Ranma Tardis [10:28] none
Shep Titian [10:28] ok then 9 am
Moonrise Azalee [10:28] no 8 is okay
[10:28] in case it goes later
[10:28] im just tired and forgot that i still have to go to work
Shep Titian [10:28] Oct 19th at 9am
Moonrise Azalee [10:28] erm
[10:28] 8?
[10:28]
Shep Titian [10:28] ok 8
Moonrise Azalee [10:28] yay
Shep Titian [10:29] Oct 19th at 8 am
Moonrise Azalee [10:29] sorry i want to sleep in but then again if its not til 9 then i risk being late for work when it goes on to three hours
[10:29] perfect
[10:29] October 19th at 8am
Shep Titian [10:29] move tyo adjourn
Moonrise Azalee [10:29] i second that move
Rosie Gray [10:29] hehe
Ranma Tardis [10:29] aye
Callipygian Christensen [10:29] Must hit RL - hope to see you all later
josjoha Resident [10:29] ty Shep & everyone.
Shep Titian [10:29] aye
Moonrise Azalee [10:29] aye
[10:30] Calli
Tor Karlsvalt [10:30] Tor Karlsvalt loves a decisive RA.
Shep Titian [10:30]
josjoha Resident [10:30] good everybody
RA Meeting 26 October 2013
[08:08] Calling the meeting to order
[08:08] Hi Calli
[08:10] I move to approve the agenda
[08:10] am off this am
[08:11] Ok Any citizens concerns other than the item on agenda?
[08:13] trying to get all the laws current
[08:13] I expect to have that done this week
[08:13] done
[08:15] Ok
[08:15] moving on
[08:15] RA any concerns other than the main item ?
[08:16] (sorry)
[08:18] ?
[08:19] As the representative of the CDS Artisan Guild
[08:19] I’d like to present this design you’ve all been looking at… Calli’s design
[08:19] as the one we’d like to recommend for reworking the Locus Amoenus sim
[08:20] as you can see it enlarges the harbour area
[08:20] and creates a focal point, with the little fishing village
[08:20] this would give us some small lots, similar to the walled city in NFS too
[08:20] and of course there are the other varied sized lots
[08:21] with this plan, we can leave the Time Machine where it is
[08:21] and there are a few other lots that can stay as they are too
[08:23] now, for those people that may have to move some
[08:23] I’ve discussed with our Chancellor the need to compensate people
[08:24] by giving them same sized lots, or buying them out at what they paid, at their choice
[08:25] the details of this need to be worked out still
[08:25] so, waiting for questions now
[08:29] good question Bags ?
[08:31] and I also wanted to say, that just because some lots are changing around a bit
[08:31] that it doesn’t mean we can’t keep existing builds
[08:31] they might have to be picked up for a time though
[08:32] does that answer your question Bags?
[08:33] aah, yes
[08:35] and to the right is Monastery
[08:36] Ranma
[08:39] but the idea is to keep people happy
[08:42] keeping canal and river ‘in line’ as well. Other thn that the parcels were meant to just be ‘there’ I have no idea if there are too many or not enough – so this was just to get the main ‘we wants’ of people in a concept
[08:42] done
But i think at this point there is SOMETHING MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than my shop, and it’s some basic principles i will try to resume here, if you allow me… can i go on?.
[08:47] Second. I had a nice experience in the last days ing a noob to organize his plot. I could see Cds from his point of view, and it all sounded hard-to.understand, hostile, cumbersome. I suddenly realized that ING NEW CITIZENS to deal with strict covenants and impositions or whatever their needs are, is a priority, if we dont want to lose them. So again some more bottom – up approach would not be bad: and never impose.
[08:47] I had another experience i want to share with you. Last year i got a residential plot in another Sim. I wanted some terraforming changes and i had it in one day. I was allowed to build but I had to get my house approved, rezzin it in the sky first. They came and gave me some suggestions. I made some changes, they approved and i was allowed to rez. The whole process took a couple of days. A couple of days!!!. How do we call it? Customer care?
[08:48] Fourth. A special attention should be dedicated to citizens who bring in new people, in spite of their bad tempers, and to citizens who want to organize events, open activities as schools, bars, shops. For some weeks i opened a bellydance school near the Time Machine last year and i have to say i brought a lot of visitors. I think Cds should promoting citizen’s activities. Be their LOUDSPEAKERS in world, and not their daily nightmare.
[08:48] LAST. My dear friends, THESE above should be our priorities. I understand REDESIGNING a sim, building and landscaping is much more fun. But very simply it’s not our core problem. Do you really think that changing a Sim theme or having a top quality landscape will change things and attract more people? Alas you are totally wrong if you believe it. I have seen in these years tens of top quality sims disappear for lack of traffic and business. I have seen some low quality sims surviving and beeing lively and having traffic after five years, just because they had a strong “glue” in their activities that attracted people and made rulers happy to organize them.
[08:49] I suggest you suspend this plan and consider with a bit more attentionn
[08:49] Done
[08:55] It needs covenants. It needs supervision by the “government”
[08:55] Leaving it to the wishes of citizens, without an agreed plan, will lead to disaster.
[08:59] brb — warming coffee.
[08:59] Ok …
[09:05] but I think Alexia makes some valid points and…
[09:06] I think it is important to acknowledge those who have settled in LA… I do believe there is harmony between the new theme as proposed and the current citizenry, as long as there is flexibility and respect on both sides. The people who settled in LA, I believe chose to be there because they LIKE it
[09:06] so they are not the enemies of the government’s plans – – they are the reason for the government’s being
[09:07] and I believe there is good common ground as long as effort is made to listen and consider the people who are there
[09:07] done
[09:08] *received
[09:10] group notices last a whim
[09:10] secondly, the point about noobs…..
[09:10] yes, it is a reason i argue for clearer covenants. Not necessarily ‘less stringent’ butmore clear meaning…..
[09:10] thirdly
[09:11] I am a sim owner…. i am full
[09:11] i have people lined up right now to rent parcels…
[09:12] and my prices are an in between.. but do you know what each new tenant says to me….. ‘this place is beautiful.. what a peaceful, attractive place to ‘live’ ‘ so yes, aesthetics DOES play a huge role. LA is currently a rather chaotic mess and does not feel ‘real’ its not very immersive in its appearnce and i feel that the new look is a big step in the right direction. Done.
[09:13] Pleahaving some chat lag problems but here goes
[09:14] Last winter I held three long meetings in LA on a theme redo at three different times.
[09:15] The general consensus was a theme change would be a good idea and that Tuscan or Mediterranean would be preferable.
[09:16] As far as promoting citizen interests, that is an excellent idea but I think CDS channels have been open for individuals to promote their interests.
[09:16] Ars Avete I understand is out of business.
[09:16] Caledon has downgraded sims.
[09:18] I’m ready to put it to the vote
[09:18] I propose that we accept the redesign plan as presented and discussed, and that the guild and Chancellor be authorized to move forward executing the plan.with a time frame “post-Roman to the end of the 19th century (or pre-WWI)”
[09:23] otherwise, it would have fit just fine
[09:24] true, I like the idea of a bigger harbor
[09:26] they had to sell of land, it got choppy, roads broken… and now its just like the rest of mainland for the most part.
[09:28] I will send you all a copy of my responce.
[09:28] response.
[09:28] based
[09:29] Rosie Gray shuts up now
[09:29] ahh yes that makes sense
[09:31] That build survives to this day as a functioning building.
[09:33] No reports
[09:33] Tor anything from the exec?
[09:34] Thank you Madam LRA
[09:35] I would like to point out that hippo shows occupancy at 88 percent
[09:37] Done
[09:37] No announcements
[09:37] So next RA meeting
[09:39] Which is cool in my book
[09:40] But they are happy to be here
[09:41] or three .. getting close to the end
[09:43] aye
[09:43] Finis
Chancellor
18th Representative Assembly
RA Meeting 1 December 2012
๏ฟผby Tanoujin Milestone ยป Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:51 pm
2012-12-01 11:24
Callipygian Christensen: I call to order the first meeting of the 18th Representative Assembly
Shep: Its in the box
Callipygian Christensen: As Dean it is not my place to deal with RA business, so I will begin with the first item of New business – the swearing in of the new RA
Ranma Tardis: grins
Callipygian Christensen: It is my privilege once again to administer the affirmation of office for the Representative Assembly
Callipygian Christensen: When I call your name, please type your affirmation of office into chat.
Callipygian Christensen: Shep Titian
Callipygian Christensen: Tanoujin Milestone
Tanoujin Milestone: I, Tanoujin Milestone, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Callipygian Christensen: Ranma Tardis
Shep: I Shep Titian having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Ranma Tardis: I Ranma Tardis having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators. So help me God!
Callipygian Christensen: Congratulations and thank you to each of you for serving
Tanoujin Milestone: thank you!
Lilith Ivory applauds
Ranma Tardis: thank you
Sudane Erato: bravo!
Tor Karlsvalt: โซ~~โซ~~APPLAUSE~~โซ~~โซ
Pip Torok: yes yes yes for the CDS!!
Soro Dagostino: WOOOOOT!!!!
Callipygian Christensen: I believe you have asked Shep to stand as LRA so I will hand the chair of this meeting to her
Shep: ๏ฟผ)))
Pip Torok: CLAPS
Tanoujin Milestone: Thank you Calli.
Tanoujin Milestone: I nominate Shep Titian for Leader of the Representative assembly
Ranma Tardis: second
Tanoujin Milestone: are we quorate?
Shep: Good question .. I vote aye
Ranma Tardis: up to you Shep
Tanoujin Milestone: simple majority, 3 in attendance
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
Ranma Tardis: aye
Tanoujin Milestone: Congrats, Shep, and thank you very much!
Sudane Erato: bravo Shep ๏ฟผ
Shep: thank you for your confidence
Tor Karlsvalt: bravo
Ranma Tardis: Congrats
Soro Dagostino: Hip, Hip, Hooray!!!
Lilith Ivory: Congrats Shep
Pip Torok: good on you, Shep !!!
Shep: Thanks guys
Shep: ok agenda
Ranma Tardis: got it someplace
Tanoujin Milestone: next point: volunteer someone for archivist – do you agree, Shep?
Shep: Ok Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: I volunteer to post the RA transcripts to forums > RA announcements, and passed legislation to forums > legislative discussion
Ranma Tardis: ok
Tanoujin Milestone: any objections?
Ranma Tardis: no
Shep: Can we confirm you are now archivist for this session of the RA?
Tanoujin Milestone: i would be glad about that
Sudane Erato: Agenda for the first meeting of the 18th RA on 1st Dec 2012 at 11.15 am SLT. Administrative Business – Review and approve agenda (5 min.) – Speakers on todayโs agenda items? (5 min) – Citizen Concerns (5 min) – RA Membersโ Concerns (5 min) – Old Business – New business… Swearing in of the 18th RA … Elect LRA… Confirm Tan as archivist… Arrange dates of next RA meetings and find times best for all to attend… Request the SC to call a by-election to fill remaining seat… – Commission Reports (5 min) – Executive Report (15 min) – General Announcements (5 min) – Next RA Meeting? (5 min) – Adjourn
Ranma Tardis: move to affirm Tan as archivists
Tanoujin Milestone: hehe, I say aye
Shep: It does’nt need a vote just a thank you Tan ๏ฟผ
Tanoujin Milestone: come on, i will do it – let us not be overly formal
Ranma Tardis: Shep?
Ranma Tardis: oh ok
Tanoujin Milestone: thank you!
Ranma Tardis: you have my support
Sudane Erato: bravo Tan ๏ฟผ
Tanoujin Milestone: If you allow, me, Shep? 3. Set meeting times for the 18th RA.
Lilith Ivory applauds
Shep: Yes go ahead
Tanoujin Milestone: slap me if i mess it up ๏ฟผ
Tanoujin Milestone: I move to fix the dates of the 18th RA meetings to the first saturday of a month, that is: 5th of Jan, 2nd of Feb, 2nd of Mar, 6th of Apr, 4th of May 2013.
Tanoujin Milestone: now we need a second
Shep: Yes those are fine with me
Ranma Tardis: second
Tanoujin Milestone: vote!
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
Ranma Tardis: aye
Shep: We don’t usually vote on those either
Tanoujin Milestone: lol
Tanoujin Milestone: so, thank you
Ranma Tardis: grins
Shep: But what the hell aye
Tanoujin Milestone: am I railroading?
Sudane Erato: hehe
Shep: Only a very little lol
Tanoujin Milestone: ok, without voting now:
Tanoujin Milestone: I suggest to fix the time of the 18th RA meetings to 4:00 pm SLT and to review and discuss the topic again as soon as the vacant seat is filled to meet the needs of every representative as well as possible.
Ranma Tardis: nods
Shep: That is midnight for me
Ranma Tardis: too late?
Sudane Erato: yes
Tanoujin Milestone: I will adapt to any time, I just think of Razzy
Shep: I think we need to hear from her before deciding
Shep: Make the next meeting 4.00pm
Tanoujin Milestone: okay with me – as I said, just tell me the time when it is sorted out with Razzy
Shep: definately set the dates
Shep: and we’ll go from there
Ranma Tardis: ok with me
Tanoujin Milestone: yes, good!
Shep: ok thats done
Tanoujin Milestone: Fine, fine. Call a by election now?
Tanoujin Milestone: want my pompous text, or keep it simple?
Ranma Tardis: please do such
Shep: Calli how do you want the request for the bye election?
Tanoujin Milestone nods. Nice move
Callipygian Christensen: Just a request that we proceed is fine.
Shep: Tan .. would you like to be LRA?
Tanoujin Milestone: No, by all means, I want to be your aunty on the odd numbered days, like today
Callipygian Christensen: I have the relevant dates ready to post in for transcription
Shep: Then please officially .. would call a by election to fill our empty seat
Callipygian Christensen: The SC will proceed with the byelection. The Citizen List for the election was created form a census on Nov 18
Callipygian Christensen: The following dates are relevant:
Shep: Ok do we have an exec report?
Callipygian Christensen: Call for candidates: Dec 1
Deadline to declare: Dec 7
Campaigning: Dec 7 – 14
Polls open noon Saturday Dec 15 for 96 hours closing at 11.59 on Wednesday Dec 19
Any challenge to the Citizen List produced from the census must be received by the Dean, in a notecard, by noon SLT on Dec 2.
Anyone declaring as a candidate must do so in a notecard to the Dean, before 11.59 PM SLT on Dec 7.
Tanoujin Milestone: yes, Shep, it is there, posted on forums
Shep: No I meant for here and now Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3949&p=20225
Tanoujin Milestone: excuse me? A citizens list?
Shep: no words from the old Chancellor
Trebor Warcliffe: Ill save my words for the Ball
Pip TorokPip Torok raises hand
Shep: Treb … I want to thank you for the sterling work you did
Shep: Pip
Tor Karlsvalt: โซ~~โซ~~APPLAUSE~~โซ~~โซ
Sudane Erato: bravo Trebor
Callipygian Christensen: hear hear- thank you Trebor
Tanoujin Milestone: Trebor ๏ฟผ
Lilith Ivory: APPLAUSE!
Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you.
Ranma Tardis: yes I want to second that
Pip Torok: Mme LRA I have a submission from Ria Boucher re Citizen List .. can I present it here?
Shep: I believe that is SC business
Pip Torok: ok ….
Pip Torok: shall pass that info to her
Shep: If I’m incorrect ???
Lilith Ivory: it might depend on the submission as the SC has to follow existing laws
Shep: I’ll talk to you later Pip
Callipygian Christensen: It is if it is a challenge
[i]Pip Torok realises that time exists to sort out this submission
Shep: Is it a challenge Pip?
Tanoujin Milestone: It is the decision of the SC, as far as I know, and there has to be a notecard dropped to the dean by the citizen *herself*
Pip Torok: i understand it as one mme LRA
Shep: Then yes .. a note to the dean ๏ฟผ
Callipygian Christensen: Then talk to me after please Pip
Pip Torok: yes
Tanoujin Milestone supresses her curiosity not to mess with SC duties
Shep: hahahahahahahahaha
Ranma Tardis: nods
Shep: I’m glad you’re both so keen
Shep: bodes well
Shep: Ok we have set the date of the next meeting
Shep: I propose we adjourn
Tanoujin Milestone: second
Shep: vote
Shep: aye
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
Ranma Tardis: aye
2012-12-01 11:54RA Meeting 5 January 2013
๏ฟผby Tanoujin Milestone ยป Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:14 pm
Shep (shep.titian): Ok .. calling the meeting to order
Shep (shep.titian): First agenda .. all ok with it ..
Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Gaius
Shep (shep.titian): Hi G
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): /me waves!
Lilith Ivory: Hi Gaius
Soro Dagostino: Hello G.
Tanoujin Milestone: I am fine with the agenda
Ranma Tardis: am fine with it
Bagheera Kristan: yes, it is fine
Shep (shep.titian): Goods
Tanoujin Milestone: Bags, did you get the agenda?
Bagheera Kristan: yes, thank you
Bagheera Kristan: and it looks fine to me ๏ฟผ
Shep (shep.titian): I know Tor is here to speak on the budget .. and I think about the Schloss
Shep (shep.titian): any others who want floor time?
Sudane Erato: i’ll be happy to answer questions about the schloss proposal
Shep (shep.titian): Lovely .. thank you Sudane
Soro Dagostino: Raises hand
Shep (shep.titian): yes Soro
Soro Dagostino: Regarding the property of LA
Shep (shep.titian): ok not an agenda item but a couple have proffessed opinions .. I’ll give it time
Soro Dagostino: While I don’t see it, it has been discussed as part of budget.
Shep (shep.titian): It will be after the agenda items
Soro Dagostino: As you wish, Madame LRA.
Shep (shep.titian): whispers: Citizens concerns?
Shep (shep.titian): All the citizens are happy … good
Ranma Tardis: nods
Sudane Erato: ๏ฟผ
Rosie Gray: lol
Shep (shep.titian): Ra members concerns
Pip Torok: welcome Delia
Bagheera Kristan: I had wanted to mention LA as well
Rosie Gray: hi Delia
Soro Dagostino: Hello Delia
Lilith Ivory: Hi Delia
Ranma Tardis: think it will be covered in the agenda
Shep (shep.titian): Ok Bags .. we will set the nball rolling today
Bagheera Kristan: okay, I can wait
Bagheera Kristan: thank you
Delia Lake: /hi Rosie, Soro, Calli, Tor, Sudane, Lil…and everyone ๏ฟผ
Shep (shep.titian): Ok there being no old business
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Hi Delia!
Shep (shep.titian): New business .. and item 1 the Budget
Ranma Tardis: big item
Shep (shep.titian): Tor would you care to run through it briefly
Tor Karlsvalt: Sure
Shep (shep.titian): thank you
Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you Madam LRA. As you know, I have proposed a budget for the 18th Term. It is on the forum and located at the following link:
Tor Karlsvalt: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc … scUE#gid=0. As noted we will have a deficit during the term but I will make every effort to increase revenue. First, let me note that the estate is not in any danger at this time. We shave considerable reserves in excess of $13K, USD. However we cannot merely bleed money without efforts to fix the problem CDS has. As noted already by Tan and others, Locus Amoenus is our weakest sim and is in need of attention.
Tor Karlsvalt: I assume most of you have reviewed the budget and I would like you to approve it without amendment. This so we can begin using money to generate traffic and carry on normal business.
Tor Karlsvalt: With regard to LA
Tor Karlsvalt: I have consulted with many already including the LRA.
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Shep (shep.titian): Bags
Tor Karlsvalt: Although I have a sense of where many people are with regard to LA, the LRA and myself suggest tht I hold several community meetings to gauge public opiniong.
Tor Karlsvalt: opinion.
Shep (shep.titian): Sorry Tor I thought you’d finished
Tor Karlsvalt: I intend to hold meetings beginning no later than this Saturday.
Tor Karlsvalt: no not yet
Tanoujin Milestone: hear , hear – a regional meeting! Welcome
Shep (shep.titian): Tor can we stick to the budget for this bit
Tor Karlsvalt: I expect to have at least two, one early and probably one later in the week at a later time.
Tor Karlsvalt: well we can sure.
Tor Karlsvalt: it isall sort of connected. but sure
Shep (shep.titian): thanks I’ll put LA on at the end
Shep (shep.titian): Do we have any questions about the budget?
Bagheera Kristan: Is there a line item that covers the expense of showing parcels in search – the 30L/week per parcel? – or is that something that if we want it, we will need to add to the budget as a new item?
Tor Karlsvalt: No there isn’t.
Tor Karlsvalt: We could.
Tanoujin Milestone: me raises hand
Bagheera Kristan: as of right now, CDS is sorely missing in search because there are no parcels singled out to show in search
Bagheera Kristan: which, I think, is one reason we are not getting the attention we should
Tor Karlsvalt: There are technical problems with advertising like that.
Shep (shep.titian): After Bags Tan
Ranma Tardis: what problems?
Bagheera Kristan: I had written on the forums what I think would be both economical and effective in regards to that
Tor Karlsvalt: Well the land will show up on the SL land list anyway I believe. I know several people have told me they found us via that listing.
Bagheera Kristan: 1 parcel for each sim in CDS that shows in search, and that parcel would be optimized with name and description – probably each welcome kosk in each sim
Tor Karlsvalt: The technical problem is that I believe Rudeen must create the ad.
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): /me raises his hand.
Tor Karlsvalt: And it could be considerable cost if all our parcels are listed.
Shep (shep.titian): Well I expect after the discussions we could deal with the costs .. we can allocate a top up if needs be
Shep (shep.titian): Tan is waiting .. then you G
Bagheera Kristan: sure, it isn’t much, and I wouldn’t list all the parcels
Bagheera Kristan: done
Soro Dagostino: raises hand
Shep (shep.titian): thanks .. Tan?
Tanoujin Milestone: thank you – about the ads – we talk about 720 L$ right?
Shep (shep.titian): After G Soro
Tanoujin Milestone: Bags? 30 per month?
Tor Karlsvalt: right for one parcel.
Bagheera Kristan: 30/week per parcel – but I wasn’t meaning ALL the parcels in cds
Bagheera Kristan: week not month
Tanoujin Milestone: could you estimate how much is needed?
Tanoujin Milestone: 3000 L$?
Bagheera Kristan: 5 sims x 120/month = 600/month
Ranma Tardis: for 6 onths?
Shep (shep.titian): We don’t need details now
Bagheera Kristan: 3600 for six months
Bagheera Kristan: roughtly
Tanoujin Milestone: Bags, can we talk about that after the meeting?
Tanoujin Milestone: done
Bagheera Kristan: yes, of course
Bagheera Kristan: done
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Might I suggest that a special fund be made for those who apply to the executive to be given 30L/week or that amount per month so that they can put their parcels on search if they wish?
Shep (shep.titian): thank you .. G?
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): This could be beneficial for both vendors and for the CDS as a whole.
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Done.
Shep (shep.titian): Soro?
Soro Dagostino: Is it required that all parcels for sale be listed?
Soro Dagostino: Or, can the Executive hold back on some?
Shep (shep.titian): It seems that it would be up to us to chose
Tor Karlsvalt: it is a fee based on parcel.
Bagheera Kristan: I’m sorry, I’ve opened a can of worms – no, that isn’ what I was proposing.
Ranma Tardis: frowns am confused
Bagheera Kristan: this was promoting CDS in general by the government
Soro Dagostino: I yeild to Bags.
Bagheera Kristan: Madame LRA, I can explain now or hold off and write up details in the forums
Soro Dagostino: And I agree that it is a benefit only to CDS
Shep (shep.titian): Okay .. I think that we will have tothink about ads another time
Bagheera Kristan: okay
Shep (shep.titian): I would like to propose that we assept and approve the Budget as given us by the Chancellor
Ranma Tardis: second
Bagheera Kristan: Aye
Shep (shep.titian): Vote
Ranma Tardis: aye
Shep (shep.titian): Aye
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
Shep (shep.titian): You have it Tor .. well done
Rosie Gray: ยทยทโขยฐโขยทยท..โบ Applauds! โบ ..ยทยทโขยฐโขยทยท..
Shep (shep.titian): Razzy has a 7 day .. but it passed
Tanoujin Milestone: me raises hand
Shep (shep.titian): Tan
Rosie Gray: Pip
Rosie Gray: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
Tanoujin Milestone: i would like to stress that I am not happy to approve such a deficit of more than 600 US$, but it is plausible
Tanoujin Milestone: but i am not in the mood to applaud it ๏ฟผ
Tanoujin Milestone: thanks, done
Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you all
Ranma Tardis: raises hand
Shep (shep.titian): Yes well it is understood that none of us like it
Tor Karlsvalt: It is my hope we do not have such a deficit at the end of the term
Shep (shep.titian): so we need to solve it
Ranma Tardis: how?
Tanoujin Milestone: Working on LA – let us have that after the Schloss proposal, as the LRA suggested
Shep (shep.titian): That we need to work out Ran
Shep (shep.titian): ok moving on
Shep (shep.titian): The Schloss proposal
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Well, we won’t run into a deficit based upon the projected income. Just from the projects we may have, like Floralia.
Shep (shep.titian): Who wants to outline?
Tor Karlsvalt: Madam LRA
Tor Karlsvalt: Please let me begin.
Shep (shep.titian): Yes Tor?
Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you
Shep (shep.titian): you have the floor
Tor Karlsvalt: I am very pleased to encourage the building of a new Schloss as proposed by Sudane and Rosie.
Tor Karlsvalt: It will undoubtably add to the attraction of our sims and also be a more efficient use of our land and prims.
Tor Karlsvalt: at this time I would like to defer to Sudane or Rosie.
Tor Karlsvalt: thank you
Sudane Erato: ok… I will give details, if that helps
Shep (shep.titian): please Sudane
Rosie Gray: please, Sudane
Ranma Tardis: nods
Sudane Erato: the details of the proposal were put some weeks ago into the forum
Sudane Erato: but in essence
Sudane Erato: Rosie and I propose to offer our service to replace the Schloss
Sudane Erato: you, the RA, and the Chancellor… we request approval
Sudane Erato: if you appriove now
Sudane Erato: we will offer a list of inspirations… pictures and text
Sudane Erato: so you have some idea what we intend
Sudane Erato: at all times we are welcoming of ideas and suggestions
Sudane Erato: we will create a basic build… off site, so as not to load the sim
Sudane Erato: and then,
Sudane Erato: before doing anything with the old build
Shep (shep.titian): I’m assuming RA has final approval of the new building
Sudane Erato: we will again seek both yours and the Chancellors approval
Sudane Erato: we ask both the RA and the Chancellor
Sudane Erato: but we leave it to you all to figure out the exact authority ๏ฟผ
Shep (shep.titian): Do we have any questions RA?
Sudane Erato: in any case… no changes will be made to the existing structure
Bagheera Kristan: yes, please, I have a question
Tanoujin Milestone: A free donation, backup provided to Archive?
Sudane Erato: until you have approved the off site build
Shep (shep.titian): Bags
Tanoujin Milestone: sorry
Sudane Erato: yes… its a free donation
Bagheera Kristan: no, Tan, you just asked the question I was going to ask…
Ranma Tardis: Sundane how much is left of Kendra’s build?
Sudane Erato: one other note
Bagheera Kristan: First, I want to express my gratitude to Sudane and Rosie for this generous offer. I very much approve the idea of a new Schloss. I had one question, which is, will the original build be archived? Can it be? I would like to see that happen but whether it can or not, I will still approve the build of the new one.
Sudane Erato: the offsite build will be substantially complete… but not totally… as that is impractical until we are actually there in the final location
Sudane Erato: done
Shep (shep.titian): Ok thank you
Sudane Erato: the existing build
Sudane Erato: the prims are mostly by Samantha Fuller
Tor Karlsvalt: brb
Sudane Erato: with a few by Kendra, and me, Tor, lilith
Sudane Erato: Tor has sent a notecard to Samantha
Tanoujin Milestone: ah!
Sudane Erato: but i think that she has gone
Ranma Tardis: do wish it is returned not deleted
Sudane Erato: so i don’t think that it can be saved
Shep (shep.titian): Then I would like to propse that we allow Sudane and Rosie to replace the Schloss with a new building subject to final approval of the RA and Chancellor
Sudane Erato: well… whenever one “deletes” something owned by someone else
Sudane Erato: it is actually “returned”
Pip Torok /me raises hand
Callipygian Christensen /me raises her hand
Shep (shep.titian): Calli
Tor Karlsvalt: b
Callipygian Christensen: Since archiving whole is unlikely to be possible, perhaps a machinima and set of photos could be taken to keep as archives
Sudane Erato: that would be great!
Ranma Tardis: nods
Rosie Gray: ใก
Soro Dagostino: Great idea
Bagheera Kristan: yes !
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): ใก
Tanoujin Milestone: nice, yes
Pip Torok /me raises hand
Tor Karlsvalt: that is a good idea.
Tanoujin Milestone /me raises hand
Shep (shep.titian): Tan
Tor Karlsvalt: We cold play it at the New Schloss.
Tanoujin Milestone: after Pip, if you allow, Chair?
Shep (shep.titian): Pip
Pip Torok: tku .. can we confirm that it is now standard practice to automatically archive new structures?
Pip Torok: done
Tanoujin Milestone: I think we can, Pip
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Tanoujin Milestone: may I?
Shep (shep.titian): It would seem to be so Pip but am not sure if it should be made a law
Tor Karlsvalt: Raises hand
Shep (shep.titian): Tan was after Pip
Tanoujin Milestone: Tor, I want to second the LRA’s proposal – do you need more discussion or can it wait?
Tanoujin Milestone: Shep has proposed that we allow Sudane and Rosie to replace the Schloss with a new building subject to final approval of the RA and Chancellor. I second that.
Tor Karlsvalt: I only want to answer Pip’s question.
Tanoujin Milestone: me leans back
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Sudane Erato: ๏ฟผ
Ranma Tardis: lets vote
Shep (shep.titian): Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: Actually Pip it is the law
Shep (shep.titian): Good
Shep (shep.titian): Now vote
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
Shep (shep.titian): Aye
Ranma Tardis: aye
Bagheera Kristan: aye
Tor Karlsvalt: The CDSArchive was established based on a law passed by the RA many years ago.
Sudane Erato: thank you! ๏ฟผ
Shep (shep.titian): The proposal is approved
Rosie Gray: clap clap clap
Pip Torok: CHEERS
Shep (shep.titian): Well done you two
Bagheera Kristan: yay !
Tor Karlsvalt: โซ~~โซ~~APPLAUSE~~โซ~~โซ
Lilith Ivory /me applauds
Rosie Gray: yay thank you everyone
Ranma Tardis: smiles
Tanoujin Milestone: This is truely euphorizing
Sudane Erato: it will be very exciting ๏ฟผ
Tanoujin Milestone: thank you!
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Woooo!
Delia Lake: This is great!
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): /me is listening to “Yes We Can”, too. What a coincidence!
Pip Torok: an excellent start to this term …..
Shep (shep.titian): A brief spot in our history lol
Tanoujin Milestone: only 5 years ๏ฟผ
Ranma Tardis: actually un like in agrement
Shep (shep.titian): lol
Rosie Gray: lol, Tan
Shep (shep.titian): Ok .. lats open up the LA question and I remember Soro wanted to speak on it
Ranma Tardis: Sudane am sure y fellows would agree with your good works and our appreciation
Sudane Erato: thank you ๏ฟผ
Tanoujin Milestone: Just a quick one, may I?
Tanoujin Milestone: Shep?
Shep (shep.titian): Yes
Shep (shep.titian): Go ahead
Tanoujin Milestone: I want to thank you, Ranma, because I know you are in urban heritage protection and you made it easy for us – let us not forget we still have Kendra’s Rathaus – and I ask you all to protect it
Tanoujin Milestone: ty
Shep (shep.titian): Thank you Tan
Ranma Tardis: thank you
Shep (shep.titian): I second Tan’s sentiments Ranma
Bagheera Kristan: ๏ฟผ
Sudane Erato: i’m very sorry to leave so quickly, but it is in the middle of my RL dinner hour, and my spouse has gotten very impatient
Bagheera Kristan: ty Sudane
Sudane Erato: thank you again!
Tor Karlsvalt: bye Sudane
Rosie Gray /me knows that feeling
Tanoujin Milestone: hehe, good appetite
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I must be going, as well.
Tor Karlsvalt: thank you
Rosie Gray: see you sudane
Pip Torok: bye Sudane
Shep (shep.titian): thank you for coming Sudane
Ranma Tardis: thank you for your appearance
Delia Lake: can’t have that! bye, Sudane
Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Goodbye everyone!
Rosie Gray: bye Guil!
Shep (shep.titian): Bye G
Pip Torok: bye Guillaume
Bagheera Kristan: bye
Lilith Ivory: bye all leaving
Rosie Gray /me sneaks off for 2 minutes to get some beer
Ranma Tardis: leaves LA
Shep (shep.titian): Seem,s the party is over lol
Tanoujin Milestone: lolo, yes, smells like work is starting
Bagheera Kristan: the Schloss was the big one
Ranma Tardis: yes
Shep (shep.titian): Yep
Pip Torok: well it seems to have had its “high”… :]
Ranma Tardis: am very concerned about LA
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Shep (shep.titian): Soro do you still want to say something about LA?
Ranma Tardis: the residents there put so much effort into it
Soro Dagostino: Is it time for that?
Shep (shep.titian): Yes
Shep (shep.titian): Its a tag on for today
Soro Dagostino: My suggestion is that it be put to a a commission to look at what could be done.
Ranma Tardis: what to express my support for the residents of LA, they too have ah thinking
Soro Dagostino: Get the advice of the builders of CDS and see what consensus can be established.
Ranma Tardis: like my concern over neuf
Ranma Tardis: we are all in this toughter
Shep (shep.titian): We are indeed
Tanoujin Milestone /me raises hand
Shep (shep.titian): Tan
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand higher ๏ฟผ
Shep (shep.titian): Sorry Bags did I miss you
Bagheera Kristan: I can wait, but yes ๏ฟผ
Shep (shep.titian): then Bags
Bagheera Kristan: go ahead, Tan, please
Tanoujin Milestone: Soro, not sure we need a commission right now – i would like to have that regional meeting bc I want to know who wnats to invest and who wnats to build at LA
Soro Dagostino: raises hand.
Shep (shep.titian): Can I tell you it is gone 1 am here
Tanoujin Milestone: 2 am here (bragging)
Shep (shep.titian): Soro
Shep (shep.titian): ๏ฟผ
Pip Torok: (tks for reminding the others, Shep!:)
Soro Dagostino: The commission should include all those with an interest in the LA issues.
Tanoujin Milestone: Are you volunteering to chair a commission, Soro?
Shep (shep.titian): Ny only problem with commissions is they take forever and achieve nothing
Soro Dagostino: I am.
Ranma Tardis: have some faith
Tanoujin Milestone: In this case you have my support, as well as Tor has with the regional meeting
Ranma Tardis: mine as well
Pip Torok: (my thoughts entirely Shep .. I prefer Tor’s looser approach
Bagheera Kristan: (please let me know when it is my turn to speak)
Tanoujin Milestone: sorry Bags
Bagheera Kristan: ๏ฟผ
Soro Dagostino: Yield to Bags.
Soro Dagostino: sorry
Shep (shep.titian): Aww Bags I did cxall you but you said nothing sorry
Bagheera Kristan: thank you, this will take a moment to type…
Bagheera Kristan: sorry, I missed the call…
Shep (shep.titian): Bags go ahead
Bagheera Kristan: A little over a year ago, all the sims were full, LA included…
Bagheera Kristan: Each of the 5 sims has its own unique appeal, LA is a coastal semi-rural area, no other sim we have offers that
Bagheera Kristan: I love LA, and its view of the harbor & I believe others do as well…
Bagheera Kristan: I believe LA was the hardest hit by the political fallout of a year ago
Bagheera Kristan: I know some people who had been CDS residents for some years in CDS, made their homes in LA, and they left
Bagheera Kristan: I have personally been doing things to repopulate LA and becoming an RA seemed to be a way to be a better position to do some of those things, which had been stymied before
Bagheera Kristan: I would like to offer my knowledge and expertise in building traffic and getting “found”
Bagheera Kristan: specifically because I think that is all LA really needs
Bagheera Kristan: oh and one other thing
Bagheera Kristan: which I mentioned on the forums, which is there are large parcels in LA which are designated residential only
Bagheera Kristan: which can be a little off-putting because most people have a dream of some small commerce or creative outlet in SL
Bagheera Kristan: and residential only, without explanation, feels like a stranglehold perhaps
Bagheera Kristan: Thank you, I’m done
Ranma Tardis: Bag how can the RA help?
Shep (shep.titian): Thank Dags and for your offer too
Shep (shep.titian): Bags
Shep (shep.titian): Ok I’m moving on
Soro Dagostino: raises hand
Bagheera Kristan: well, I made recommendations on the forums – specifically to use the search feature, which I saw from the earlier discussion, is not well understood
Bagheera Kristan: sorry, was typing
Ranma Tardis: nods
Tanoujin Milestone /me raises hand (after Soro)
Ranma Tardis: shaw we vote money?
Tanoujin Milestone: budget is done – let us solve that by donation
Bagheera Kristan: I would like to get with Tor, something he and I have discussed
Ranma Tardis: nods
Bagheera Kristan: mostly it is time and knowledge, which I am willing to offer
Tor Karlsvalt: ah donations.
Shep (shep.titian): I think it will be good to gettogether with Tor as he suggested and have an open meeting .. thank you Soro for your offer which may still get taken up:)
Soro Dagostino: raises hand
Shep (shep.titian): Soro
Tor Karlsvalt: Just a plug, but there are donation bowls at the harbor, amphitheater and in front of the Kirche
Tor Karlsvalt: In the kirche also
Soro Dagostino: I yield to the appointment of Bags as chair.
Bagheera Kristan: smiles ๏ฟผ we are all in this together
Ranma Tardis: grins
Shep (shep.titian): Yes lol
Tanoujin Milestone: excuse me Soro? I did not get that, could you paraphrase please?
Soro Dagostino: I offered to chair a commission or other study group.
Shep (shep.titian): Tor when can you do the first meeting do you think .. while people are hjere to say if they can attend
Soro Dagostino: I yield that to Bags.
Tor Karlsvalt: I am shooting for Next Saturday Morning.
Tor Karlsvalt: Probably have several
Tanoujin Milestone /me raises hand
Soro Dagostino: Perfect — I can’t be there!
Shep (shep.titian): Morning being what SLT?
Soro Dagostino: LOL
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Tor Karlsvalt: well I will have one some evening
Tor Karlsvalt: I would say slt 7
Shep (shep.titian): am?
Tor Karlsvalt: yea
Lilith Ivory: yikes
Bagheera Kristan: ouch
Bagheera Kristan: LOL
Tor Karlsvalt: BTW, eveyone welcome Anit Wirefly
Tor Karlsvalt: a new LA resident
anti Wirefly: hello โโฟโ
Bagheera Kristan: welcome Anit !
Lilith Ivory: Hi Anti ๏ฟผ
Shep (shep.titian): Hell man Brit here .. plus Pip .. two german
Rosie Gray: welcome Anti
Tanoujin Milestone: anti! Thanks for attending
Delia Lake: welcome, Anti
anti Wirefly: thanks so much โโฟโ
Tor Karlsvalt: well I can have two meeings back to back that day
Tor Karlsvalt: and one during the week
Shep (shep.titian): Hi Anti
Tor Karlsvalt: some evening tho
Shep (shep.titian): ok we’ll wait to hear
Tor Karlsvalt: thank you
Shep (shep.titian): There are no commission reports .. no exec report . no announcements…
Shep (shep.titian): Next meeting is Saturday 2nd of Feb
Tanoujin Milestone: let us fix a time of day
Ranma Tardis: alright
Bagheera Kristan: groundhog day ๏ฟผ
Rosie Gray: hehe
Tanoujin Milestone: is it? Lol
Pip Torok: oh no!!! ๏ฟผ
Shep (shep.titian): I’ll fit in with you lot
Bagheera Kristan: anytime if fine with me
Tanoujin Milestone: same time?
Bagheera Kristan: is*
Shep (shep.titian): Yes lets do 4 again
Tanoujin Milestone: to give Razzy a chance?
Bagheera Kristan: sounds good
Ranma Tardis: nods
Tanoujin Milestone: great
Shep (shep.titian): ok feb 2nd at 4pm SLT
Shep (shep.titian): I propose we adjourn
Tanoujin Milestone: second
Bagheera Kristan: aye
Ranma Tardis: aye
Shep (shep.titian): vote aye
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
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Location: Locus AmoenusRA Meeting 02 February 2013
— Review and approve agenda (5 min.)
— Speakers on todayโs agenda items? (5 min)
– Citizen Concerns (5 min)
– RA Membersโ Concerns (5 min)
– Old Business: none …
– Executive Report (10 min)
– General Announcements (5 min)
– Next RA Meeting? (5 min)
– Adjourn
1. Bags reported on her LA promotion campaign and volunteered to post RA meetings to the SL event calendar
2. Tan announced to update CDSL17-01 (Notification Act) as amended on 4 Aug 2012 and suggested to review it, along with CDSL13-01 (PIT Act), NL4-26 (PIO Act) and NL5-15 (monthly citizens list). She promised to propose a law dealing with information policy in general and to start a corresponding legislative discussion on the forums.
3. The LRA recommended to clean up the sims. The Chancellor reported and accepted several detailed suggestions.
4. The LRA alleged a citizen’s request to fix the dates of seasonal changes. The Chancellor expanded on that topic and assured to get in touch with the petitioner.
5. Tor reported on the LA regional meetings viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3982 and mentioned the project to offer high quality prefabs there.
6. The RA agreed to meet again on 3rd of March 1pm in the Praetorium, Colonia Nova
Lilith Ivory: Hi Tan ๐
Moonrise Azalee: she just logged on
Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Tan!
Moonrise Azalee: waves at Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: my apologies
Shep Titian: Aha
Bagheera Kristan: Hi Tan ๐
Shep Titian: Hi Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: hi Razzy ๐
Shep Titian: Agenda in the box
Moonrise Azalee: Hi
Moonrise Azalee: grins
Shep Titian: Ok
Shep Titian: All approve the agenda?
Bagheera Kristan: aye
Tanoujin Milestone: yes, I do
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
Shep Titian: Good
Shep Titian: Speakers on todays items .. Tan will speak on the amencment idea
Tanoujin Milestone: yes, ty
Shep Titian: Ok any citizens concerns?
Shep Titian: Thats like that bit in a wedding
Shep Titian: ok
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Shep Titian: RA any concerns?
Callipygian Christensen: /mr raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli?
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: my SL is iffy so I may have missed it..did a notice go out that the meeting is happening now?
Tanoujin Milestone: o_O
Shep Titian: Ah no it did’nt .. I sent one last night
Lilith Ivory: I did not get one too
Shep Titian: But can send another
Callipygian Christensen: I think it helps..people forget from last night..heck..I can forget within a few hours lol
Tanoujin Milestone: errmmm, yeees, possible ๐
Lilith IvoryLilith Ivory smiles and nods
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Bagheera Kristan: or I can wait ๐
Shep Titian: Go ahead bags ,,, this thing cleared itself wen I added a LM
Bagheera Kristan: okay, I wanted to give an update on the chariot races I held
Tanoujin Milestone: ๐
Bagheera Kristan: I held them a couple weeks ago in Locus Amoenus with the underlying intent to draw new people here
Bagheera Kristan: I spammed my own friends list – LOL – so they showed up, but a couple of them had never been to CDS and one of them remarked how pretty Locus Amoenus is…
Bagheera Kristan: she is a blogger, she helps promote my shop, and she volunteered to also promote LA
Bagheera Kristan: on her own initiatve
Bagheera Kristan: we also got two totally new people who found us from the Second Life calendar
Bagheera Kristan: so, although no one actually completed a race – LOL – I felt it was a success and intend to do more, also, on a side note
Tanoujin Milestone: fantastic!
Bagheera Kristan: I want to encourage people to put events happening in CDS onto the calendar at secondlife.com
Bagheera Kristan: this meeting, would be a good example of something that should be on there
Bagheera Kristan: okay, done ๐
Moonrise Azalee: nods
Shep Titian: Would you like to add them to it Bags?
Shep Titian: Its a good idea
Bagheera Kristan: I would be happy to ๐
Shep Titian: :)) excellent .. then in the future please do
Bagheera Kristan: okay, great! I will. Thank you
Shep Titian: Ok moving on .. no old business this time
Shep Titian: So New business
Shep Titian: All we have today are the beginnings of ideas .. but beginn9ing with an amendment
Shep Titian: Tan are you ready?
Tanoujin Milestone: yes, thank you
Tanoujin Milestone: my apologies again, i have stolen your time
Tanoujin Milestone: I will try to make it good. i have a little speech ready
Tanoujin Milestone: i suggest i tell you what i think and we postpone discussion to the forums,
Tanoujin Milestone: are you all fine with that?
Shep Titian: Go ahead
Tanoujin Milestone: ty
Bagheera Kristan: ๐
Tanoujin Milestone: let me give you short history of the Citizen Notification Act
Moonrise Azalee: nods
Tanoujin Milestone: The Dean requested the RA
1. to rule on timing when new laws come into effect
2. To review NL4-26 Public Information Act
This was discussed at RA 16 Jun 2012
Tanoujin Milestone: Pat posted a straw man proposal from 27 Jun 2012
Tanoujin Milestone: with a preamble
Tanoujin Milestone: :
Tanoujin Milestone: Preamble
Citizens have a right to expect some notification of changes that will affect them. Similarly, citizens also have a responsibility to check official channels and raise concerns about changes which will affect them in a timely fashion. This Act sets out the expectations for both Government branches and citizens.
Tanoujin Milestone: well
Tanoujin Milestone: on 30 Jun 2013 the RA amended the time frame to 30d, accidentally left out the preamble and passed it as CDSL17-01. Razzy suggested to improve accessibility by using the portal too.
Tanoujin Milestone: are you still with me?
Shep Titian: Yes
Bagheera Kristan: yes
Tanoujin Milestone: ty
Tanoujin Milestone: Gwyn critzised the missing preamble on the forums thread.
Tanoujin Milestone: On 14 Jul 2012 at a inquorate meeting the LRA pointed to the cause of the legislation: it was CDSL16-03 Citizen Establishment Act section 3 which declares parcels deeded to private groups illegal.
Tanoujin Milestone: that took us into trouble..hence the law
Tanoujin Milestone: On 4 Aug 2012 the RA passed two amendments to the law:
3. This Act shall not apply to notice of meetings provided that any action taken at the meeting is ineffective for thirty days under this Act to allow citizen comment and requests for revision
4. This Act shall apply only to general, public actions, and not to private actions (such as covenant enforcement and foreclosure for not paying tier)
Tanoujin Milestone: sigh
Tanoujin Milestone: Yes, it passed, and again, without preamble. The amendments were not filed to the code of law.
Tanoujin Milestone: A short personal passage. I have not been archivist then, and when I became archivist, I did not volunteer to update the forum. That was accepted. I think there is no law forcing me to do it. Looks like I can do whatever I see fit.
Tanoujin Milestone: But on the other hand, what are the consequences? Okay, I have asked the former archivist to continue to post to the portal. He did not do it. Well. I will ask the designated guild master to give me a class. And I will post that darn amendments.
Tanoujin Milestone: ๐
Tanoujin Milestone: But my recommendation would be:
Tanoujin Milestone: wipe the #3 and #4 and put Pat’s preamble on top. Please consider until next time, and let us discuss it in-between on the forums.
Tanoujin Milestone: But let us have a look at the topic announced in the agenda now: I suggested we amend the Citizen Information Act. So, everything I said before looks a bit off topic. Really?
Tanoujin Milestone: If the Citizen Information Act was about informing the citizens, as the title suggests, it would not be off topic. But in fact: it is. What is the Citizen Information Act?
Tanoujin Milestone: It is NL5-15, stating it was the EO’s duty to publish a citizen list once per month. Once per month! Are you aware you have to check 220 parcels inworld to meet that requirement?
Tanoujin Milestone: ๐
Tanoujin Milestone: are you with me?
Bagheera Kristan: yes
Tanoujin Milestone: ty
Tanoujin Milestone: I suggest we repeal NL5-15, keeping in mind our names are public knowledge. Next time? Discussion on forums?
Razzy: yes
Tanoujin Milestone: But that is not what the Dean asked for on 16 Jun 2012! She asked to review the Public Information act. That is CDSL13-01. That law establishes a public information team. That team deals with calendars, event notes, inworld kiosks, magazines, handouts, all regarding to actions, policies and history of the government, and the chancellor responsible to keep it current “at all times”.
Tanoujin Milestone: ๐
Tanoujin Milestone: sorry
Tanoujin Milestone: no, it is the wrong law.
Tanoujin Milestone: We wanted to talk about NL4-26 Public Information Act. That introduces the role of the PIO. We are having no PIO at the moment. We will not pay 1000 L$ to her. And we will not let the chair of a private organization appoint her, right? The PIO, btw, is responsible for a public relation campaign.
Tanoujin Milestone: okay… three statements and I am done
Tanoujin Milestone: 1. The principle of publicity and the scattered single requirements of notification are not sufficient. We need a central law on information policy which provides a basic framework of requirements and criteria, avoiding the mistake to get lost in outdating technical and personal details.
Tanoujin Milestone: 2. What we need now is a panorama of all legislation connected to the public information issue and the current practice, which could be improved using state of the art technology. Again, it has to be doable and enforceable on the executive level, let us listen to people who are at home in the technical aspects.
Shep Titian: WOW
Tanoujin Milestone: 3. Information is the act to transmit content in order to have an effect. The community handles information to realize obligations and goals, to meet fundamental needs of social coexistence and to use it as an instrument of power and organization.;)
Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe
Tanoujin Milestone: Let us find out what the real limitations are regarding effort, proportionality, protection of data, exceptions and absorbing capacity of the target group. And let us call a spade a spade in the future.
Tanoujin Milestone: Thanks for your attention.I am looking forward to a lively forums discussion
Tanoujin Milestone: done
Bagheera Kristan: much to think about, thank you Tan
Shep Titian: Thank you Tan … I think
Bagheera Kristan: LOL !
Tanoujin Milestone: thank you!
Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Ok well that is going to be interestring .. and my own view in reaction is scrub what exists and get it right .. then leave it alone
Shep Titian: Calli please
Callipygian Christensen: I think I am the dean in question there so just a couple of things – while I may have specified and law, I dont recall doing so..
Tanoujin Milestone: well, it is on the record
Callipygian Christensen: what I did ask was that something be put in place to avoid having the Chancellor required to send out 120 notecards asking citizens to comply with a law, in case they dont bother reading forums or notices
Tor Karlsvalt: Raises hand
Callipygian Christensen: that would still be my main concern, as a citizen, that the Cancellor or anyone else not bear the burden of responsibility that wach citizen should carry for themself
Shep Titian: After Calli Tor
Callipygian Christensen: so that is my only comment..whatever you change or create, please ensure that is in place
Callipygian Christensen: done
Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
Tor Karlsvalt: a couple of things
Tor Karlsvalt: In the past with hippo rollout the RA
Tor Karlsvalt: asked that the Exec notify all citizens
Tor Karlsvalt: this was done via the forum and notices and posters near tier box temples.
Tor Karlsvalt: then the effective date was in the future to allow all to be notified.
Tor Karlsvalt: I might add that we still had problems.
Tor Karlsvalt: second
Tor Karlsvalt: Group notices are about the only method we know is common to all citizens
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Tor Karlsvalt: Even there however, the new viewers make these less effective
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Shep Titian: I agree with you there Tor
Shep Titian: and thanks
Tor Karlsvalt: shure
Tor Karlsvalt: sure*
Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen has to be afk due to the dinner thing
Tanoujin Milestone: good appetite, Calli
Shep Titian: Enjoy
Tor Karlsvalt: ok callie
Bagheera Kristan: *raises hand higher
Shep Titian: Ok well Tan could you start a seperate thread in the forum on the subject ?
Shep Titian: Sorry Bags
Tanoujin Milestone: yes Ma’m
Shep Titian: Go ahead hun
Bagheera Kristan: just a thought – the one thing citizens have
Bagheera Kristan: is they have to pay tier. In real life, when I pay my HOA, I pick up the HOA newsletter, would it be feasible for paying tier to result in receiving a notecard and/or…
Bagheera Kristan: one weakness with “signs” is they are graphics, which mean if they haven’ rezzed, you dn’t know what you are missing
Tor Karlsvalt: Raises hand
Bagheera Kristan: but a box that distributes notecards and everyone knows to touch it would a) keep things in world and b) not be missed
Shep Titian: I don’t know the hippo posibilities
Bagheera Kristan: just a thought, i will take the rest to the forums
Tanoujin Milestone: ๐
Shep Titian: Yes cool thanks ..
Bagheera Kristan: ty ๐
Shep Titian: Ok moving on …
Shep Titian: If we are considering changes to LA .. should we take the opportunity to clean up bits on all the sims
Shep Titian: There are pathways that lead only to a sim edge on the mountain
Bagheera Kristan: ah, residual from AA, probably. I cleaned up some of that in CN
Shep Titian: There are old insula for sale with 2 prims available
Razzy nods
Tanoujin Milestone: oh, wow
Shep Titian: No one is going to buy them
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Shep Titian: Bags
Bagheera Kristan: I would think the thing to do mgiht not be “one big clean up” but to encourage people to speak out when they notice some of the things like you have mentioned and we can fix them as we discover their existence?
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Shep Titian: Yes I agree .. I wanted to test people’s appetite for the job
Bagheera Kristan: okay, yes, done ๐
Shep Titian: Some are VERY sentimental ๐
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Shep Titian: Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
Tor Karlsvalt: I sort of agree with Bags
Tor Karlsvalt: at the moment we have already started
Tor Karlsvalt: I needed a house for the cardo as a prior owner deleted it and I could not get the copy from Jon
Tor Karlsvalt: Tan was good to commission Lil to build two new houses for the Cardo and donate them to the CDS
Shep Titian: Thats cool
Tor Karlsvalt: We could follow a similar pattern, however I agree we have to be sensitive to the traditional look of CN
Shep Titian: I did’nt know
Shep Titian: We maybe should know
Tor Karlsvalt: I also think we can work on that road you referenced.
Shep Titian: Yes that would be good
Tor Karlsvalt: However we are a bit extended with the Schloss and proBably LA
Tor Karlsvalt: but the road thing, might be minimal and truly would give NFS some prims
Shep Titian: Yes … that would
Tor Karlsvalt: then Rosie myself and Tan have been deprimming where we could
Tor Karlsvalt: the soccer field was reduced by more than 20 prims.
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Shep Titian: THe centre of CN is where the old builds are with no prim
Tor Karlsvalt: ok
Tor Karlsvalt: I have to look at that
Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone coughts
Tor Karlsvalt: I just pulled an old prim out of a wall today.
Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone raises hand
Tor KarlsvaltTor Karlsvalt throws Tan a coughdrop
Tanoujin Milestone: ๐
Shep Titian: Rosie and I were looking yesterday …
Shep Titian: Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: the superflues road at NFS, is it the right of way?
Tanoujin Milestone: just curious
Tor Karlsvalt: It is a road to nowhere
Shep Titian: Just leads to a drop off
Tanoujin Milestone: notheast, yes
Tanoujin Milestone: hmmm
Tor Karlsvalt: just extends past a x-roads and leads to NFS East
Tor Karlsvalt: or south
Tor Karlsvalt: ๐
Shep Titian: Someone wanted to join two parcels it was in the middle .. I think they moved elsewhere
Shep Titian: But it was a good point
Shep Titian: Ok .. I think we know we can reoprt things and they may get changed ๐
Shep Titian: Moving on
Tor Karlsvalt: we try
Shep Titian: This was requested by Rosie … When should Spring begin ?
Tor Karlsvalt: ah
Shep Titian: And shMoonrise Azaleeould we timetable our seadons?
Shep Titian: seasons
Moonrise Azalee: February! lol
Moonrise Azalee: is so sick of winter
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Shep Titian: lol
Bagheera Kristan: I think that has been the purvue of the current exec in the past
Tor KarlsvaltTor Karlsvalt just notes that the ground hog says we have six more weeks of winter.
Bagheera Kristan: in real life, seasons are not fixed – LOL !
Shep Titian: NOoooooooooooooooooooooo
Bagheera Kristan: but I’m in California, IRL, so I know nothing of this seasons of which you speak
Shep Titian: LOL
Tanoujin Milestone: you don’t miss anything but a running nose and cold feet
Shep Titian: No Bags in fact more changeable than ever
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Shep Titian: Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: Yes, bags is correct it was usually an exec decision.
Tor Karlsvalt: Usually we plan for March
Tor Karlsvalt: probably earlier than later in March
Tor Karlsvalt: that has been traditional.
Tor Karlsvalt: Not that it can’t change tho.
Moonrise Azalee: Guess it depends on where one is from – ones idea of when spring is
Shep Titian: Well really the lower sims should melt first ๐
Tor Karlsvalt: We can do that
Moonrise Azalee: We have crocuses ๐ –
Bagheera Kristan: LOL !
Moonrise Azalee: agrees with Shep
Tor Karlsvalt: Actually, this year we tried to have less snow in LA
Shep Titian: Ok well this is’nt exercizing anyone much lol
Bagheera Kristan: there is some history behind this, originally CDS came about in part because SL wanted snow sims to compete with other MMorPGS
Shep Titian: I’ll tell Rosie to ask Tor ๐
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Tanoujin Milestone: hehehe, good one
Tor Karlsvalt: I think one year we were very late
Tor Karlsvalt: that got people mad when winter ran into late March.
Tor Karlsvalt: My plan was the first weekend of March btw
Moonrise Azalee: Is there a real place we are basing our climate on?
Moonrise Azalee: if so, would we be in sync with that?
Shep Titian: Yes .. people suffer from SAD
Tor Karlsvalt: Gee they had this argument years ago
Bagheera Kristan: I apologize, I need to excuse myself – IRL
Tor Karlsvalt: I think the problem is CN is technically Colonge Germany
Tor Karlsvalt: ok
Moonrise Azalee: wasn’t here years ago
Shep Titian: Everything goes around inb circles Tor
Moonrise Azalee: ahh
Tor Karlsvalt: haha
Tor Karlsvalt: yes
Shep Titian: Ok Bags
Bagheera Kristan: thank you
Tor Karlsvalt: but then CN and LA are one the same latitude if you will
Moonrise Azalee: Bye Bags ๐
Moonrise Azalee: waves
Tanoujin Milestone: oh, leaving? See you!
Tor Karlsvalt: I will get with Rosie, see what her thoughts are.
Shep Titian: Ok well we’ll leave that for now ..
Shep Titian: Ummm I thought I said .. nevermind
Tor Karlsvalt: np
Shep Titian: Ok no commissions to report
Tanoujin Milestone: ahhhh, exec! Me claps her hands ๐
Shep Titian: Exec .. do you need to report anything Tor? ๐
Tor Karlsvalt: sure
Tor Karlsvalt: I can be brief.
Shep Titian: cool
Shep Titian: You have the floor
Tor Karlsvalt: I held 3 meetings on LA redevelopment
Tor Karlsvalt: the transcripts and a summary are posted to the forum.
Tor Karlsvalt: I suggest we all just go there to read about the meeting
Tor Karlsvalt: I think however we will have some proposals, but probably want to see how the newly constituted Guild can consider plans for LA and RA approval
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Moonrise Azalee: ooh, just a sec
Tor Karlsvalt: oh one more thing sorry
Shep Titian: Razzy?
Moonrise Azalee: k back
Moonrise Azalee: sorry
Moonrise Azalee: son was leaving
Shep Titian: Ok lol
Tor Karlsvalt: I should note that one great idea that came out of the meetings was that CDS should provide high quality prefabs for new citizens.
Moonrise Azalee: Thats a good idea
Tor Karlsvalt: Several of the people at the meeting, all good builders, were interested in helping with this.
Tanoujin Milestone: thats great, we need that
Tor Karlsvalt: I think that is it so far. I would like people to read the forums.
Tor Karlsvalt: let me put the link in the chat
Tor Karlsvalt: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3982
Shep Titian: Thanks Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: yw
Shep Titian: Ok no announcements
Shep Titian: I want to change next RA meeting to the Sunday
Shep Titian: 3rd March
Moonrise Azalee: smiles
Tanoujin Milestone: exotic ๐ I am fine with it
Moonrise Azalee: time?
Tanoujin Milestone: same?
Shep Titian: What is the best time 4 pm is too late for Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: or what would you prefer?
Moonrise Azalee: 1pm?
Shep Titian: 1 pm is much better
Tanoujin Milestone: better later, wait, 4 pm that s 1 am monday…
Tanoujin Milestone: let us say: 7 pm
Shep Titian: Ok Sunday March 3rd at 1pm SLT
Moonrise Azalee: 7pm is too late for me
Tanoujin Milestone: fine, fine
Moonrise Azalee: putting small children to bed at that time
Moonrise Azalee: I spoke to Ran
Shep Titian: 7 pm?
Tanoujin Milestone: forget it, it is okay
Shep Titian: thats the middle of the night?
Moonrise Azalee: and asked about sunday afternoon and she said it was okay… so Im thinking 1pm would be okay, or 2pm
Tanoujin Milestone: 1pm, is okay
Tanoujin Milestone: really
Shep Titian: Ok we leave it as stated
Shep Titian: cool
Shep Titian: I move to adjourn
Tanoujin Milestone: second
Shep Titian: vote
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
Shep Titian: Aye
Moonrise Azalee: ayeRA Meeting 03 March 2013
— Review and approve agenda (5 min.)
— Speakers on todayโs agenda items? (5 min)
– Citizen Concerns (5 min)
– RA Membersโ Concerns (5 min)
2)… How would people feel about joining some smaller parcels to make bigger ones?
3)… Is anyone up for leading a committee to go through the sims highlighting where savings can be made and where sim layout can be improved? It’s a big and detailed job …..
– Executive Report (10 min)
– General Announcements (5 min)
– Next RA Meeting? (5 min)
– Adjourn
1. Bags offered to fix the Locus Amoenus landing point and Sudane promised Rudeen’s support, further discussion was postponed.
2. The new Schloss was approved to move to the permanent location. Ayes: Shep, Bags, Razzy, Tan
3. Shep suggested to have a commission review all CDS Sims, Bags volunteered to chair it.
4. Tor reported on the new citizens, building activities and the use of convex hull.
5. The RA agreed to meet again on 7th April at 1 pm in the Praetorium, Colonia Nova.
Shep Titian: We begin with the usual
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy laughs at pip
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy nods and listens
Shep Titian: Approve agenda … any problems?
Pip Torok: none here
Bagheera Kristan: I am fine with it
Tanoujin Milestone: Agenda is fine to me
Moonrise Azalee: approved
Pip Torok: EXCEPT “CH” ???
Moonrise Azalee: (with me)
Bagheera Kristan: oh yes! that’s right, what is CH?
Bagheera Kristan: convex hull?
Sudane Erato: Church
Tanoujin Milestone: Convex Hull, a prim saver
Pip Torok: ah!!!
Shep Titian: Sorry Convex Hull
Pip Torok: thus are acronyms given birth …
Sudane Erato: ๐
Shep Titian: Lol
Bagheera Kristan: LOL!
Shep Titian: Ok
Shep Titian: Speakers .. only missing Tor for exec report
Shep Titian: Citizens concers??
Tanoujin Milestone: Since Ranma is not there I would like to adopt her motion
Tanoujin Milestone: on the Schloss topic
Shep Titian: Any problems?
Shep Titian: ok RA concerns? any ?
Bagheera Kristan: yes
Shep Titian: Bags
Bagheera Kristan: I had been talking with Tor about this, I wanted to fix the landing point for center of sim for LA and CN
Bagheera Kristan: I had given Tor information on how to do this but Sudane also needs to be in the discussion
Bagheera Kristan: also there is at least one public parcel in LA with a forced landing point which is detrimental to visitors
Shep Titian: Yes the CN one is a walk from the info centre
Bagheera Kristan: the goal is to keep people from landing in a bad spot if they tp in from the big map
Bagheera Kristan: CN lands in Arria’s house, LA lands you underwater in the center of the river
Sudane Erato: good for mermaids
Bagheera Kristan: I had figured out solutions, but realized I needed to let people know what was going on – in LA, in the winter, you get stuck under the ice
Tor Karlsvalt: hi all, Sudane ๐
Tanoujin Milestone: i encountered this, you are right, Bags
Shep Titian: Hi Tor
Pip Torok: yes .. otherwise itll give LA a bad name …
Bagheera Kristan: so I just wanted to mention I had been paying attention to this and had thought of solutions, and wasnt’ sure what I should do to get them implemented except talk to Tor, which I have done – ๐ hi Tor – and he and I agreed we needed Sudane’s help to go further
Shep Titian: Who needs to change them?
Sudane Erato: if you need to (or Rudeen) to do something… np at all… just give instructions, since i’m not very knowledgeable about Landing Points
Bagheera Kristan: okay, thank you Sudane ๐ it requires a bit of reparceling
Bagheera Kristan: we can talk about it after, if that’s alrigth with everyone
Sudane Erato: np, if necessary
Bagheera Kristan: okay, I’m done ๐
Bagheera Kristan: thank you
Tor Karlsvalt: We need to create a small strip of a parcel to connect the center cooridnate to say the meeting circle.
Shep Titian: Thanks Bags
Tor Karlsvalt: or maybe an Agora
Shep Titian: that would be off putting
Shep Titian: Ok next
Shep Titian: The new Schloss building
Bagheera Kristan: lovely job on the build !
Sudane Erato: ty ๐
Shep Titian: I hope most have bneen to see it .. its coming on a treat ๐
Moonrise Azalee: I love it. Very awesome
Tor Karlsvalt: yes! great job
Pip Torok: did sudane pick up on the suggestion for tapestries?
Callipygian Christensen: Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Shep Titian: Calli
Sudane Erato: we are experimenting with tapestries, yes
Pip Torok: tks .. ๐
Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone rises hand
[b]Callipygian Christensen: The schloss build does look great, but one question re – the proposal (motion?) Ranma posted
Shep Titian: After Calli Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: sure
Shep Titian: I have’nt pocked that up Calli
Callipygian Christensen: It speaks of approving the build at the appropriate time, but I thought approval is something planned for before themove?
Callipygian Christensen: because once the old schloss goes, it’s gone I think – no putting it back
Tanoujin Milestone: Tanoujin Milestone bites her lips
Shep Titian: No it was always stated it could’nt be finished off site
Sudane Erato: the original proposal suggested that in order to do the move, the RA and Chancellor would approve the build in its unfinished state
Sudane Erato: of course, more finishing will be needed
Sudane Erato: but
Callipygian Christensen: Yes , I know Shep..but wasnt the idea that people basically approve it in progress then move it for the final pieces?
Sudane Erato: you can’t change your mind after the old one is removed
Callipygian Christensen: yes, what Sudane said
Tor Karlsvalt: Yes, the old schloss will be gone forever.
Tor Karlsvalt: We have saved only small parts of it.
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Shep Titian: Yes .. but as buildings are essentially under exec decisions RA is really only a tiken in this
Shep Titian: Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: fine. Ranma suggested on the forums we give the replacement a nod – may I post it here in chat for discussion
Tanoujin Milestone: ?
Shep Titian: Yes go ahead
Tanoujin Milestone: Subject to the approval of the CDS Chancellor the old build in Neufreistadt know as “Schloss” be removed and replaced by Rosie Gray and Sudane Erato. Understanding the new Schloss needs to be moved to its final site before being finished. Approval of the final build would be made at the correct time. The Representational Assembly commends the selfless acts of Rosie Gray and Sudane Erato in making this project possible.
Shep Titian: Bags
Bagheera Kristan: I would like to propose that – unless this causes a hardship on Sudane, who I know has donated the building site…
Bagheera Kristan: that we delay the move at least another week and/or – the underlying reason – there was talk of creating a photographic or machinanime of the original and ahs that happened yet?
Pip Torok: I propose a small drafting amendment : representatives’ instead of Representational …
Bagheera Kristan: are people satisfied they have preserved the memory enough? do they need more time?
Shep Titian: No it has’nt
Sudane Erato: raise hand
Shep Titian: No one seems to have the stomach for it
Shep Titian: Sudane
Sudane Erato: regarding timing
Sudane Erato: there is nothing intrinsic here, except to do it as soon as possible… so
Callipygian Christensen: I have taken pictues but I dont do machinima
Sudane Erato: i agree that if people feel they have no yet fully docuemnted the old build
Sudane Erato: they we can wait
Tanoujin Milestone: Tanoujin Milestone raises hand
Sudane Erato: my concern now was just to get the go ahead from the RA and chancellor
Shep Titian: People have had plenty of time Sudane
Lilith Ivory: Iยดve taken a few pictures too but didnยดt have the time to take more
Sudane Erato: we’ll be happy to wait until photos and videos are finished
Sudane Erato: done
Bagheera Kristan: I would like to propose that we wait at least a week from the time of approval before the move begins, so people who maybe were delaying, realize they’d better get moving if they care to get their photos in
Shep Titian: Thank you
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy nods
Tanoujin Milestone: though
Tanoujin Milestone: i strongly recommend
Tanoujin Milestone: we approve the Schloss in its state ready for the move today
Shep Titian: I propose we allow the building to continue on the permanent site
Shep Titian: Tan
Tanoujin Milestone: let us fix the following
Tanoujin Milestone: 1. we are fine with the new schloss
Tanoujin Milestone: 2. we want it moved when the time is there
Lilith IvoryLilith Ivory raises her hand
[b]Tanoujin Milestone: and set a time to finish the documentation of the old building
Tanoujin Milestone: done
Shep Titian: Lil
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Shep Titian: After Lol Tor
Lilith Ivory: I just wanted to suggest to set a time for the move already as “when the time is there” so sounds CDS like ๐
Shep Titian: Lil
Shep Titian: sorry
Tor Karlsvalt: I propose that RA approve the schloss and allow the Chancellor to set the time of the move no earlier than next Saturday.
Pip Torok: i agree
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy raises hand
Tor Karlsvalt: If we need more time to finish a picture montage then I will extend the move a bit.
Tor Karlsvalt: Naturally, we need to fit into people’s schedules.
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Tanoujin Milestone: I support the Chancellors suggestion
Bagheera Kristan: I do too
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy lowers hand
Shep Titian: I already propsed it be moved
Shep Titian: No one seconded
Pip Torok: i second
Shep Titian: You can’t Pip sorry
Moonrise Azalee: I second
Sudane Erato: lol Pip… you’re not in the RA! )
Shep Titian: Thank you Razzy
Sudane Erato: hehe
Tanoujin Milestone: could you repeat, Shep? I obviously missed it, my apologies
Pip Torok: of course (must frop those bad habits!)
Shep Titian: ok vote on the new build being approved to move to the permanent site
Shep Titian: Aye
Bagheera Kristan: aye
Moonrise Azalee: aye
Tanoujin Milestone: aye
Shep Titian: Passed .. excellent
Sudane Erato: ty ๐
Tor Karlsvalt: ?~~?~~APPLAUSE~~?~~?
Pip Torok: marvellous!! :-))
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy smiles
Shep Titian: Tor if you can take it from here
Serge Voorhees: Serge Voorhees smiles
Shep Titian: Cool
Tanoujin Milestone: phew
Sudane Erato: Rosie and I will be happy to work with Tor on this
Sudane Erato: as he suggests
Shep Titian: Excellent
Shep Titian: We look forward to the first ball
Sudane Erato: yes!!!
Tor Karlsvalt: I will let every one know when the wrecking party happens.
Sudane Erato: ๐
Callipygian Christensen: Sudane- I have a number of images that can be made into tapestries if you or Rosie want to provide the tapestry prim
Sudane Erato: oh… we can talk ๐
Shep Titian: Ok .. now just a discussion as yet lol
Tor Karlsvalt: that would be an excellent idea
Tor Karlsvalt: a tapestry maybe of the old schloss?
Pip Torok: I have a number of tapestries that were in the tanzhaus, Sudane
Shep Titian: In the fervour to restock with citizens .. and the talking about remoddling LA
Sudane Erato: we’d be happy to accept full perm textures for proposed tapestries or any other pictures
Shep Titian: I’m sorry am I disturbing you
Sudane Erato: sorry… just answering… time to move on, i agree
Shep Titian: Thanks ๐
Shep Titian: Basically .. how do folks feel about all the sims being looked at
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Shep Titian: maybe make some bigger parcels where possible
Shep Titian: Bahs
Bagheera Kristan: oh sorry, you weren’t done ๐ please finish
Shep Titian: There are places where paths lead no where .. many other small bits that could save prim and m,ake the parcels more appealing
Pip Torok: can we assume that the sims with the most serious shortage will be looked at first?
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy raises hand
Shep Titian: If people think its a good idea I thought a committee might be the way to go
Shep Titian: ok done
Shep Titian: razz anfrt Bags
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy giggles
Moonrise Azalee: thank you
Shep Titian: I low typos lol
Moonrise Azalee: just in response to what Pip said… I think that the sims we need to get habitated might be the ones we need to look at first.
Bagheera Kristan: I would love to help with the committee, I was also thinking about how to do it so it wouldn’t be chaotic…
Shep Titian: Yes good point
Shep Titian: it seems a good opportunity to look in depth
Bagheera Kristan: I know we talked last month about this and said people should start fixing things as they were discovered, is this a continutation of that discussion?
Moonrise Azalee: There must be reasons why one sim is full and one is so empty. taking a look at redesigning paths, finding prims and maybe, as you mentioned, extending parcels.. would be good.
Moonrise Azalee: done
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Shep Titian: It is in a way Bags .. its my responce to seeing nmo change lol
Shep Titian: But if thats whats wanted no problem ๐
Bagheera Kristan: ah, sorry, my IRL father has been in the hospital this past month, I meant to do more
Shep Titian: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Tor Karlsvalt: sorry to hear that Bags.
Shep Titian: Hell I’m not blaming you
Moonrise Azalee: Sorry Bags
Bagheera Kristan: ๐ kk ๐
Shep Titian: Awww so sorry .. I hope he recovers well
Bagheera Kristan: he’s 92…
Shep Titian: Good genes
Bagheera Kristan: no worries, let’s talk abotu what’s at hand, I only meant to say this DOES matter to me, I just didn’t get to it this month
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy nods
Shep Titian: Yes and my point was general hun .. I would’nt single anyone out
Shep Titian: CDS is alwats talk talk lol
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Shep Titian: Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks
Tor Karlsvalt: I think the meeting I held had one theme, the theme of LA should be tweaked.
Tor Karlsvalt: I also believe that some redrawing of parcels is inorder.
Tor Karlsvalt: in LA the larger parcels have always been rather popular.
Shep Titian: Right .. what would you like it to be Tor?
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy nods
Bagheera Kristan: yes, I agree with Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: Well I know you might disagree but I think the Guild could run a contest for a map or plan.
Tor Karlsvalt: There could be some parameters.
Tor Karlsvalt: bigger harbor, more water, better music venue etc
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy nods
Shep Titian: Well the Guild is’nt a CDS gov’t thing
Tanoujin Milestone: the Chancellor can hire the Guild ๐
Shep Titian: You’d have to set the comp
Tor Karlsvalt: Also, we probably want to keep some of the legacy builds.
Shep Titian: Yes he can
Lilith Ivory: the RA could offer the guild that job if I remember right
Bagheera Kristan: are we still on the agenda? I am lost
Shep Titian: Yes hun
Shep Titian: its a discussion in general about tidying up etc
Serge Voorhees raises hand
[b]Shep Titian: I’m more than happy for you to chair a committee if we can get one up and running
Bagheera Kristan: yes, okay. I am for prim saving and judicious redrawing of parcels to make larger parcels, I’m not for a wholesale overhaul of LA
Shep Titian: Getting a bad lag
Bagheera Kristan: chat lag – LOL! I wrote that a while back, sorry
Shep Titian: Its ok lol
Shep Titian: Serge
Serge Voorhees: As you know, I am new here, and maybe my question is superfluous…. does CDS has proper statistics on the PRIM-usage and on visitors?
Tor Karlsvalt: no we don’t
Serge Voorhees: I would suggest then to gather such statistics, as they might be very helpful
Tor Karlsvalt: Well we know where prims are a problem, NFS.
Pip TorokPip Torok raises hand
[b]Shep Titian: Pip
Shep Titian: Wb Tan
Pip Torok: imo keeping stats IN CASE they may be needed cd be a wate of valuable time
Pip Torok: waste
Tanoujin Milestone: thank you
Pip Torok: done
Serge Voorhees: Serge Voorhees raises hand
Shep Titian: Serge
Serge Voorhees: TY. Maybe I should explain better why I brought the topic.
Shep Titian: Please do
Serge Voorhees: Of course, you all do know calculating the static PRIM is not a problem, and can be easily gathered in statistic. But lag is also a problem of temp prims, which has to do with visitors and what scripts they are wearing
Shep Titian: yes
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy nods
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Serge Voorhees: So if you don’t know why some parts are laggy, and you would base yourself only on fixed prims, you might take wrong conclusions
Shep Titian: Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
Tor Karlsvalt: Just in response to Serge
Tor Karlsvalt: Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the old schloss has some temp prims that rezz only when you need them in a room
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
Tor Karlsvalt: I have gotten a funny error from time to time up at the schloss. I suspect it is somewhat of a problem gone overlooked for a long time.
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Serge Voorhees: Serge Voorhees raises hand
Shep Titian: serge
Bagheera Kristan: raises hand higher
Shep Titian: Sorry Bags
Shep Titian: After serge
Bagheera Kristan: ty
Serge Voorhees: In answer to Tor:: as far as the “schloร” is concerned, I am unaware. I was only referring to the # of prims (from scripts) that are brought in by visiting ALTS as a cause of LAG, and hence discomfort. That is also the reason why you find PRIM-counters for visitors on some SIMS
Moonrise Azalee: Hey guys.. I’ve got to go
Moonrise Azalee: Family showed up a little while ago
Tor Karlsvalt: by Razzy
Tanoujin Milestone: Have a good time, Razzy ๐
Shep Titian: I don’t think we het enough visitors to worry lol
Bagheera Kristan: bye ๐
Moonrise Azalee: :/ Sorry!
Shep Titian: Bags
Lilith Ivory: bye Razzi
Moonrise Azalee: Razzy waves
Pip Torok: au revoir razzy
Moonrise Azalee: Bye
Shep Titian: byre Razz
Bagheera Kristan: I meant to mention this earlier, but it seems areas that used to have some restrictions on rezzing now are open to rezzing by anyone and I keep stumbling across random prims that shouldn’t be there. Just before todays’ meeting I found one, a purchased hair that belonged to someone I didn’t recognize. I don’t have the powers to return these and I forget to mention them
Tor Karlsvalt: Girls can start by taking off their hair.
Tor Karlsvalt: sorry
Bagheera Kristan: but somehow, I think permissions have gotten changed inadvertently over time and there are now random prims by people who shouldn’t be rezzing
Bagheera Kristan: CDS has – in my experience – been remarkably lag free, today’s experience is the first real exception
Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
Shep Titian: The ims should be set to group
Shep Titian: Tor
Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
Bagheera Kristan: done
Tor Karlsvalt: Thakns Bags for finding that
Shep Titian: thanks Bags
Tor Karlsvalt: I have been limiting prims on some LV land.
Tor Karlsvalt: especially in CN.
Sudane Erato: there will always be a need for clean-up crews to return garbage
Tanoujin Milestone: i volunteer ๐
Tor Karlsvalt: I know we recently changed much of he common land there from CN to LV and the perms might have been relaxed.
Bagheera Kristan: ah!
Tor Karlsvalt: I will look at that and restrict rezzing to only LV
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Shep Titian: Excellent
Tor Karlsvalt: But if you need LV perms see me or any other officer in LV.
Shep Titian: Is there anyone else here who would like to join Bags on a committee to check the sims?
Bagheera Kristan: a committee of one – LOL ๐
Bagheera Kristan: makes decision amking so much easier
Shep Titian: Looking that way
Pip Torok: theyre the most efficient, usually!
Sudane Erato: well, there are other residents not present who might help
Bagheera Kristan: yes ๐
Bagheera Kristan: I am laughing
Shep Titian: Yes I agree Sudane
Bagheera Kristan: well, I can start and people can join me as they please ๐
Shep Titian: Ok we’ll leave that as a work in progress .. but when it’s formed its yours Bags
Bagheera Kristan: okay, thank you ๐
Shep Titian: We’ll talk to some others to see who will help
Bagheera Kristan: I appreciate that ๐ I’ll put something on the forum too
Shep Titian: Yes cool
Shep Titian: Ok moving on
Shep Titian: Do you have an exec report Tor?
Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
Tor Karlsvalt: sure
Tor Karlsvalt: a few things
Shep Titian: You have thje floor
Tor Karlsvalt: first we have two new citizens, Candence Theus and Io ouch some thing
Tor Karlsvalt: both have parcels not in NFS.
Bagheera Kristan: hurrah !
Shep Titian: cool
Tor Karlsvalt: Second I have have placed a number of fachwerk on parcels and halved their land impact using the Convex Hull feature.
Tor Karlsvalt: I urge all to look into this, especially in NFS.
Shep Titian: so they buy a sofa now ๐
Tor Karlsvalt: ๐
Tor Karlsvalt: Also, we have had some goood work done in the guild re prefab houses for CDS
Tor Karlsvalt: Candence built a very good one and it can be viewed in LA on parcels 13 and 14
Sudane Erato: raise hand
Pip TorokPip Torok wd be happy to do an old4new swap of fachwerke in his inventory…
[b]Tor Karlsvalt: I am going to plan a spring fest with hopefully an art fair in he streets of CN.
Tor Karlsvalt: I think some time in April will be good for that.
Tor Karlsvalt: Also, we will be taking up he ice in the next several weeks.
Tor Karlsvalt: probably toward the middle of March.
Tor Karlsvalt: done
Shep Titian: how many is several?
Sudane Erato: ๐
Tor Karlsvalt: Well we have the schloss as a priority
Shep Titian: lol thats 2
Tor Karlsvalt: but I assume as soon as possible, I don’t want to go too far past the 15th
Tor Karlsvalt: I like the snow, but am tired of it.
Sudane Erato: I can change the ground texs whenever asked ๐
Tor Karlsvalt: and I hear Chicago might be 60 this week so…..
Tor Karlsvalt: chat lag
Shep Titian: Is that you done Tor?
Tor Karlsvalt: sorry yes
Shep Titian: ok thank you ๐
Shep Titian: There being no announcements .. next meeting
Shep Titian: If we do 4 weeks
Shep Titian: Sunday 31st?
Bagheera Kristan: That’s Easter
Shep Titian: is it oooh
Sudane Erato: western easter ๐
Shep Titian: ok 7th April
Bagheera Kristan: LOL yes, Easter for me
Bagheera Kristan: 7th April is good for me
Shep Titian: Well we’ll plump for that .. 1 pm again?
Bagheera Kristan: good for me
Tanoujin Milestone: okay
Shep Titian: Ok done
Shep Titian: Next meeting Sunday 7th April at 1 pm
Shep Titian: I propose we adjourn
Bagheera Kristan: seconded
Tanoujin Milestone: second
Tanoujin Milestone: and aye
Bagheera Kristan: ayeRA Meeting 07 April 2013
— Review and approve agenda (5 min.)
— Speakers on todayโs agenda items? (5 min)
– Citizen Concerns (5 min)
– RA Membersโ Concerns (5 min)
…http://portal.slcds.info/index.php/cds- … stitution/
– Executive Report (10 min)
– General Announcements (5 min)
– Next RA Meeting? (5 min)
– Adjourn
1. the new Schloss was unanimously & finally approved.
2. RA asked the guild and Widget if they will come up with some ideas for the fast removal of items from private use of public buildings and report back before implementing any .. for approval by RA. The Guildmaster accepted the order.
3. CDS Constitution Article II Section 2 a,e and Section 8 were discussed
4. The Chancellor spoke on private use of public land and preparations for SL10B
5. The RA agreed to meet again on Sunday 5th May at 1pm SLT, Praetorium, Colonia Nova
[13:08] Shep Titian: Please remember by speaking you are agreeing to be recorded and transcribed
[13:09] Shep Titian: Ok meeting called to order
[13:09] Shep Titian: If we can review the agenda and approve please RA
[13:10] Tanoujin Milestone: good agenda, I for one approve
[13:10] Shep Titian: Ah Razzy
[13:10] Ranma Tardis: second
[13:10] Tanoujin Milestone: ty, Ranma, let us give Razzy the chance to check it
[13:11] Shep Titian: Hi Razz
[13:11] Pip Torok: hi razzy .. nice to see you!
[13:11] Rosie Gray: hi Razzy
[13:11] Ranma Tardis: hi Razzy ๐
[13:11] Moonrise Azalee: Hey there. Sorry I’m late
[13:11] Ranma Tardis: funny you saw her before me
[13:11] Shep Titian: When you’ve caught your breath could you approve agenda pls its in the box
[13:12] Moonrise Azalee: yep, just looking at it
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: Hi Razzi
[13:12] Shep Titian: cool
[13:12] Moonrise Azalee: yes. I’m cool with it
[13:12] Shep Titian: good
[13:12] Moonrise Azalee: hi Lilith
[13:12] Shep Titian: Speakers on todays agenda should include Tor
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: he said he might be late today
[13:13] Shep Titian: Ram requested he answer some qu8estions
[13:13] Shep Titian: Ran
[13:13] Shep Titian: ok we’ll see what happenns
[13:13] Tanoujin Milestone: Raises hand
[13:14] Shep Titian: Yes
[13:14] Ranma Tardis: yes I did
[13:14] Shep Titian: Tan
[13:14] Tanoujin Milestone: I would like to encourage Widget to have her saying on the use of public biuldings
[13:14] Tanoujin Milestone: done
[13:14] Widget Whiteberry: thank you, I’ve some thoughts
[13:15] Shep Titian: Yes all are welcome to comment
[13:15] Ranma Tardis: I was looking up the relevant part of the consitution
[13:15] Shep Titian: Can we come to it in turn please
[13:15] Shep Titian: Next is citizens concerns
[13:16] Shep Titian: Anyone have anything for us?
[13:16] Shep Titian: OK
[13:17] Shep Titian: RA .. any concerns?
[13:17] Tanoujin Milestone: not today ๐
[13:17] Shep Titian: ๐
[13:17] Ranma Tardis: called Tor to here
[13:17] Moonrise Azalee: none from me
[13:17] Ranma Tardis: under articile 2 section 8 of the constitution
[13:17] Shep Titian: Yes RanI know
[13:18] Shep Titian: He may yet show
[13:18] Shep Titian: ok
[13:19] Shep Titian: Old business .. The Schlodd .. I see both Rosie and Sudane here .. do you think that we can sign off o0n it on the next RA ,meeting?
[13:19] Shep Titian: Schloss
[13:19] Shep Titian: Sorry
[13:20] Sudane Erato: should i speak to that?
[13:20] Shep Titian: Please Sudane
[13:20] Sudane Erato: not sure what you mean by signing off….
[13:20] Sudane Erato: but…
[13:20] Sudane Erato: you can always come and comment and suggest
[13:20] Shep Titian: Well I understood that it required RA approval
[13:21] Sudane Erato: our target as originally proposed was to be done by the next inaugural
[13:21] Sudane Erato: well… i guess you can approve it… that needed to be done before the old one was replaced
[13:21] Sudane Erato: sin ce we can no longer put the old one back
[13:22] Sudane Erato: an approval is kind of theortetical
[13:22] Sudane Erato: but you’re welcome to do that anytime
[13:22] Shep Titian: Right … I’m wondering why iy needs RA approval to be honesyt .. but its always been talked about that we give final approval
[13:22] Sudane Erato: or indicate things thgbat you’d like changed
[13:22] Ranma Tardis: think of it as a acceptance vote
[13:23] Shep Titian: Thanks Tan
[13:23] Sudane Erato: but, really, we still have a ton to do, and our target has been the inaugural
[13:23] Shep Titian: RAN
[13:23] Shep Titian: I’m not with it
[13:23] Tanoujin Milestone: ๐ me raises hand
[13:23] Sudane Erato: i’m sure both Rosie and I feel that you can pass an acceptance vote anytime
[13:23] Ranma Tardis: well it is a fine gift to our community
[13:24] Shep Titian: Tan
[13:24] Sudane Erato: sorry… done
[13:25] Tanoujin Milestone: I suggest we deem it approved, the interior design does not need another approval by RA – i would like to have tge opportunity to say thanks to the builders on the inaugurial…
[13:25] Shep Titian: That’s fine .. It was me kept on about it lol
[13:26] Shep Titian: Was’nt
[13:26] Sudane Erato: ๐
[13:26] Shep Titian: DEar lord
[13:26] Moonrise Azalee: (laughs)
[13:26] Ranma Tardis: well I move to accept it and give our thanks to Sudane Erato and Rosie Grey
[13:26] Shep Titian: I second
[13:26] Shep Titian: vOTE
[13:26] Shep Titian: aYE
[13:26] Moonrise Azalee: Aye
[13:26] Ranma Tardis: aye
[13:26] Tanoujin Milestone: aye and than you very much!
[13:26] Tanoujin Milestone: +k
[13:27] Sudane Erato: thank you! ๐
[13:27] Moonrise Azalee: (grins)
[13:27] Shep Titian: gOOD APPROVED ๐
[13:27] Rosie Gray: ?
[13:27] Moonrise Azalee: Thanks Rosie and Sudane
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: (nods and applauds)
[13:27] Shep Titian: aND YES THANK YOU BOTH
[13:27] Sudane Erato: its a great pleasure to work with Rosie on this… and its still a long way from done ๐
[13:27] Ranma Tardis: my thanks to Rosie and Sudane
[13:27] Rosie Gray: thanks everyone
[13:28] Widget Whiteberry: it’s exciting to watch it take place
[13:28] Moonrise Azalee: (nods)
[13:28] Shep Titian: Ok moving on
[13:29] Shep Titian: The next are just discussion subjects .. which can be expanded to the forum
[13:29] Shep Titian: Private Use of public buildings
[13:30] Rosie Gray: Hi Kell
[13:30] Pip Torok: hi kellie !
[13:30] Kellie Wellesley: ยกo???? Rosie
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: Hi Kellie ๐
[13:30] Shep Titian: Do we need to add a statement to our covenants that private use items be removed after the event
[13:30] Pip Torok: LOL
[13:30] Kellie Wellesley: ยกo???? Pip, Lilith Tan everyone
[13:31] Shep Titian: Hi Kellie
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: (raises her hand)
[13:31] Shep Titian: Lil
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: (smiles)
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: I only wanted to say that I think it is great what Widget does for our community and that we have a lot of other deserted public buildings which needed to be filled with life.
[13:33] Sudane Erato: agree!
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: Iยดm sure any of our citizens was more than welcome to hold an event there whenever she or he would like
[13:33] Rosie Gray: I agree too
[13:33] Shep Titian: Yes .. so do we ignore covenant then?
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: and get the support of our executive team
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: what part of the covenant exactly Shep?
[13:34] Shep Titian: Timeline
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: I think itยดs more important to have life in our community than matching chairs in an empty Sim
[13:34] Ranma Tardis: letting a group take control of public property is stealing from the community
[13:34] Rosie Gray: (raises hand)
[13:35] Pip Torok: raises hand
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: not stealing, just lenting
[13:35] Shep Titian: Rosie
[13:35] Ranma Tardis: why can’t I have a free lot for my group?
[13:35] Rosie Gray: well I’d just like to point out that it was all done with the approval of the Chancellor and executive
[13:35] Rosie Gray: so calling this ‘stealing’ is really out of line, in my view
[13:35] Ranma Tardis: who ingored my summons
[13:36] Shep Titian: Yes and he is restricted from allowing change
[13:36] Ranma Tardis: as a community we survive on tier
[13:36] Rosie Gray: he hasnt’ changed any covenant
[13:36] Shep Titian: Why was it so impossible to remove the items?
[13:36] Shep Titian: Pip
[13:37] Widget Whiteberry: Are we talking about removal of VS items?
[13:37] Rosie Gray: and Ranma, I would suggest that you or anyone else that has a group that wants to hold regular, well publicized public functions could probably arrange to have a plot to do so
[13:37] Rosie Gray: finished
[13:37] Pip Torok: 2 things … 1st its always possible to create a linked structure and install/remove it in seconds
[13:37] Shep Titian: Exactly Pip
[13:37] Lilith Ivory: (raises hand to comment on Pip)
[13:38] Pip Torok: 2nd imo covenants should be as light and as slim as possible … and allot most items to informal arrangements
[13:38] Pip Torok: done
[13:38] Ranma Tardis: though you miss my point, how will we survive without tier
[13:38] Ranma Tardis: ?
[13:38] Shep Titian: Then the group gets its use and those of us that don’t want things there between meets have what we want too
[13:38] Moonrise Azalee: (raises hand)
[13:38] Shep Titian: Lil
[13:39] Shep Titian: then Razzy after
[13:39] Tanoujin Milestone: (Tanoujin Milestone rises hand to comment on Ranma and waits)
[13:39] Rosie Gray: (raises hand again too)
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: I only wanted to say that is is not as easy to create a linked structure as Pip thinks as it depends on the permissions of the different items
[13:40] Sudane Erato: linked or not linked, a rezzor can handle the job easily
[13:40] Shep Titian: We have excellent builders that could help
[13:40] Shep Titian: Razz
[13:40] Shep Titian: then Tan then Rosie
[13:40] Moonrise Azalee: Well, I will say that I disagree.. it is not tier that holds a community… it is comeraderie…
[13:40] Moonrise Azalee: and activity
[13:40] Shep Titian: Lol
[13:41] Moonrise Azalee: tier makes a sim. not a community. Thats all.
[13:41] Moonrise Azalee: done
[13:41] Shep Titian: Yes if there are sims left
[13:41] Sudane Erato: yes!
[13:41] Ranma Tardis: tier pays for the sims
[13:41] Pip Torok:
[13:41] Sudane Erato: yes to Razzy
[13:41Moonrise Azalee: I guess im missing something…
[13:41] Moonrise Azalee: Im not sure how allowing a parcel for a group to use…
[13:41] Shep Titian: Tan
[13:41] Ranma Tardis: so the community is paying for this free lot
[13:42] Razzy: is setting up the failure of a sim.
[13:42] Tanoujin Milestone: Ranma, we are mixing topics, if we have a controveres between liberals and socialists, let us have that – if it is about chairs, let us stick to that
[13:42] Moonrise Azalee: (realizes we have lots of vacant lots anyhow)
[13:42] Widget Whiteberry: (raises her hand to comment on tier)
[13:42] Moonrise Azalee: anyhow.. sorry. im done
[13:42] Ranma Tardis: Sundane are we meeting expenses?
[13:42] Tanoujin Milestone: I appreciate what you say, Razzy
[13:42] Shep Titian: Widget
[13:42] Widget Whiteberry: ty
[13:42] Widget Whiteberry: Ranma hasn’t explained the connection between tier and use of public space. I am paying slightly less now that I’ve created a skybox.
[13:43] Widget Whiteberry: More importantly
[13:43] Widget Whiteberry: I don’t see availability of public spaces for privately produced events as a draw.
[13:44] Moonrise Azalee: (nods)
[13:44] Widget Whiteberry: I’m hoping once the rules are clear that will change.
[13:44] Widget Whiteberry: done
[13:44] Ranma Tardis: the connection is on a private lot she can maintain her groups objects
[13:44] Widget Whiteberry:
[13:44] Shep Titian: No .. I like public spaces to be just that
[13:44] Ranma Tardis: put out any political message no matter how vulgar
[13:44] Rosie Gray: perhaps LRA could keep people from interrupting when it’s not their turn?
[13:44] Shep Titian: BUT if someone really wants to use one just clear it up
[13:44] Moonrise Azalee: (laughs)
[13:45] Shep Titian: Ok .. easily solved .. take it to the forum
[13:45] Shep Titian: Moving on
[13:45] Widget Whiteberry: (raises hand to address rezzing and removal of objects)
[13:45] Pip Torok: (remembers london democratic sessions that were _ever_ so vulgar ….)
[13:45] Sudane Erato: ๐
[13:46] Rosie Gray: heheh
[13:46] Ranma Tardis: well they insulted the head of my political party
[13:46] Ranma Tardis: The President of the United States
[13:46] Shep Titian: Stop fighting
[13:46] Rosie Gray: (chortles)
[13:47] Kellie Wellesley: Every president of the US has been insulted for the last 200 years
[13:47] Ranma Tardis: further a member of my extended rl family
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: (mumbles something about freedom of speech)
[13:47] Kellie Wellesley: I would worry if it didn’t happen
[13:47] Shep Titian: OK who wants to take some chancellors powers away?
[13:47] Shep Titian: Mumble in the forum Lileth
[13:47] Ranma Tardis: but this is on public land and it looks like the cds endorses the message
[13:47] Widget Whiteberry: (raises hand to address rezzing and removal of objects)
[13:48] Tanoujin Milestone: me raises hand
[13:48] Shep Titian: Ranma I will abort the meeting
[13:48] Shep Titian: Tan
[13:48] Moonrise Azalee: I will second that
[13:48] Tanoujin Milestone: i would like to ask you, chair
[13:49] Tanoujin Milestone: to let have Widget have the last say on the topic
[13:49] Widget Whiteberry: ty
[13:49] Tanoujin Milestone: and move on, please?
[13:49] Widget Whiteberry: 2 comments
[13:49] Widget Whiteberry: If we want to encourage private use of public space, it would be useful to create rules that allow some flexibility. Take ‘clean-up’ – which I agree with. For example, some events don’t actually end after the formal period. I recommend a case by case agreement.
[13:49] Shep Titian: Ok Widget .. with NO right of reply
[13:49] Widget Whiteberry: ah 3, and ok
[13:49] Widget Whiteberry: It might be useful to anticipate different uses of public spaces and create some set ups that are linked.
[13:50] Lilith Ivory: good ideas
[13:50] Widget Whiteberry: I think I’ll leave it at that
[13:51] Shep Titian: Would you be interested in investigating that Widget and coming up with some ideas?
[13:51] Widget Whiteberry: thinking
[13:51] Widget Whiteberry: I’d contribute to that kind of idea generation
[13:52] Widget Whiteberry: for public spaces are going to remain as they are now
[13:52] Widget Whiteberry: if a redesign is in the works, I’d hold off
[13:53] Shep Titian: Maybe it would be a good use of the Guild .. what do you think Rosie?
[13:53] Rosie Gray: absolutely
[13:54] Rosie Gray: it could be our next project for the guild, if the Ra would like that
[13:54] Widget Whiteberry: (smiles encouragement at Rosie)
[13:54] Moonrise Azalee: nods
[13:55] Shep Titian: Cool .. ok does the rest of RA approve of the Guild and featuring Widget formulate some plans for public builds to be used and returned to normal quickly?
[13:55] Moonrise Azalee: yes
[13:55] Shep Titian: Tan?
[13:56] Tanoujin Milestone: SUre, and we could ask the guild to get on the job officialy
[13:56] Shep Titian: Ran ?
[13:56] Ranma Tardis: nay
[13:56] Rosie Gray: (nods)
[13:56] Shep Titian: Why nay?
[13:56] Ranma Tardis: no RA oversight
[13:57] Shep Titian: Yes I was going to Tan but we don’t have 4 votes
[13:57] Tanoujin Milestone: (scratches her head)
[13:57] Shep Titian: WEll yes .. they are employed by us
[13:57] Shep Titian: and report back
[13:59] Tanoujin Milestone: Ranma , would you agree to redesign of public spaces so they can be used
and cleaned up again by the guild?
[14:00] Tanoujin Milestone: and if not, why?
[14:00] Ranma Tardis: want to hear more
[14:00] Shep Titian: Ok I’ll do it this way … I propse that RA ask the guild and Widget if they will come up with some ideas for the fast removal of items from private use of public buildings and report back before implementing any .. for approval by RA
[14:00] Ranma Tardis: nods
[14:00] Tanoujin Milestone: ๐
[14:01] Moonrise Azalee: Yeah
[14:01] Shep Titian: Someone second
[14:01] Tanoujin Milestone: I seciond
[14:01] Tanoujin Milestone: _i
[14:01] Shep Titian: Vote Aye
[14:01] Moonrise Azalee: aye
[14:01] Tanoujin Milestone: Aye
[14:01] Ranma Tardis: aye
[14:01] Widget Whiteberry: aye
[14:01] Sudane Erato: ๐
[14:02] Rosie Gray: ?
[14:02] Ranma Tardis: Widget you are not a RA member
[14:02] Ranma Tardis: giggles you can run
[14:02] Widget Whiteberry: ty, I wasn’t sure of protocol
[14:02] Shep Titian: Excellent … Rosie will you be kind enough to approve the Guild working for us
[14:02] Rosie Gray: yes Madam LRA
[14:02] Rosie Gray: (smiles)
[14:02] Tanoujin Milestone: fantastic!
[14:02] Moonrise Azalee: grins
[14:02] Rosie Gray: I’ll call a meeting soon to discuss this
[14:03] Shep Titian: Excellent .. we have a plan
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: yay
[14:03] Moonrise Azalee: claps
[14:03] Sudane Erato: bravo!
[14:03] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[14:03] Shep Titian: Ran
[14:04] Ranma Tardis: am not happy I summoned the chancellor as per the Constitution and he ignored the summons
[14:05] Shep Titian: Yes and he shouls attend for the exec report
[14:05] Widget Whiteberry: I hope he’s alright
[14:05] Shep Titian: But we don’t know why
[14:05] Shep Titian: Its not like him to miss
[14:06] Rosie Gray: he’s had a lot of problems logging in recently
[14:06] Lilith Ivory: I saw him today and somehow I think he was not aware he had to answer questions here today
[14:06] Shep Titian: He has to attend RA once a month
[14:06] Sudane Erato: raise hand
[14:06] Shep Titian: Its in the constitution
[14:07] Shep Titian: Sudane
[14:07] Sudane Erato: question of information
[14:07] Callipygian Christensen: (raises her hand)
[14:07] Sudane Erato: itenmn 2 on the agenda refers to some right that the chancellor has to take away a persons land
[14:07] Shep Titian: After Sudane Calli
[14:07] Sudane Erato: i’ve never heard of such a right
[14:08] Sudane Erato: could you identify and define it?
[14:08] Sudane Erato: done
[14:08] Shep Titian: Well I read it this week in the constitution
[14:08] Pip Torok: (is VERY relieved to hear that …)
[14:08] Shep Titian: One dec I’ll get it
[14:09] Callipygian Christensen: it is in the Consitution and has been forever ๐ It came up in discussion last term as well iirc
[14:09] Tanoujin Milestone: (e) subject to the payment of adequate compensation to any citizen or citizens thereby affected, reclaim or swap any land…
[14:09] Tanoujin Milestone: and
[14:09] Tanoujin Milestone: (a) to determine the use to which any and all land in CDS shall be put;
[14:10] Shep Titian: Ok .. I’ll be a few mins
[14:10] Sudane Erato: ahh… the old “eminnent domain” issue…
[14:10] Shep Titian: bre good
[14:11] Callipygian Christensen: it’s a reasonable power, and seldom used and rightly so – I dont recall it being used in my time in CDS
[14:11] Lilith Ivory: (nods)
[14:11] Sudane Erato: nor do i
[14:11] Ranma Tardis: nods
[14:12] Tanoujin Milestone: The Chancellor of CDS shall, *subject to the laws* of CDS, have the power:
[14:12] Tanoujin Milestone: so, we make the laws here, right?
[14:12] Sudane Erato: we try ๐
[14:12] Tanoujin Milestone: and we can limit the power by law
[14:13] Tanoujin Milestone: so true, Sudane .-D
[14:13] Moonrise Azalee: Hey everyone.. I have to head off to work
[14:13] Callipygian Christensen: (would respectuflly sggest that things that aren’t broken might not need fixin’ ๐
[14:14] Widget Whiteberry: (wonders what’s broken here)
[14:14] Tanoujin Milestone: not in the constitution if we can regulate it by law
[14:14] Callipygian Christensen: (and my hand is still up re the previous matter of the Chancellor appearing)
[14:14] Rosie Gray: (waves goodbye to Razzy)
[14:14] Tanoujin Milestone: Bye, Razzy
[14:14] Lilith Ivory: bye Razzy
[14:14] Pip Torok: bye razz … dont work too hard …
[14:14] Moonrise Azalee: Sorry for being late and having to leave early. I only had an hour today ๐
[14:14] Shep Titian: (e) subject to the payment of adequate compensation to any citizen or citizens thereby affected, reclaim or swap any land held by any citizen of CDS for the purposes of discharging any function of the Office of the Chancellor conferred by this Act or any other Act of the Representative Assembly, provided always that no citizen of CDS shall not be caused to have no holding in Neufriestadt at all thereby;
[14:14] Moonrise Azalee: (waves)
[14:15] Shep Titian: Sorry it would’nt open
[14:15] Moonrise Azalee: Bye Shep ๐
[14:15] Ranma Tardis: bye bye Razzy
[14:15] Shep Titian: O bye Razz
[14:15] Shep Titian: aee you over there!! lol
[14:16] Sudane Erato: raise hand
[14:16] Callipygian Christensen: me?
[14:17] Shep Titian: I found that peregraph a little startling
[14:17] Callipygian Christensen: just to clarify – was Tor sent a notecard requesting that he appear?
[14:17] Shep Titian: Sudane
[14:17] Shep Titian: No Calli Razz
[14:17] Callipygian Christensen: oh sorry..thought you wanted me to go ahead lol
[14:17] Shep Titian: I was too slow posting
[14:17] Sudane Erato: i’m just wondering why this issue is being brought to the RA… was there any event which prompted it?
[14:17] Sudane Erato: done
[14:18] Shep Titian: Yes .. I read it :)))
[14:18] Sudane Erato: ๐
[14:18] Sudane Erato: ok…
[14:18] Shep Titian: LOL
[14:18] Sudane Erato: understood ๐
[14:18] Shep Titian: well its for discussion
[14:18] Callipygian Christensen: ok..so to speak to Ranma’s disappointment, if he didn’t recieve a formal request I think it’s probably easiest to just send one for the next meeting ๐
[14:19] Shep Titian: And I’m sure Tor won’t play musical parcels
[14:19] Shep Titian: But he could
[14:19] Ranma Tardis: it was in the forums
[14:20] Shep Titian: I checked that too .. it needs to be a notecard Ranma
[14:20] Callipygian Christensen: I don’t think a forum post qualifies as ‘written request’ Ranma..a notecard in world would be the standard or an e-mail
[14:20] Ranma Tardis: notecards are no good because there is no way to verify delivery
[14:21] Lilith Ivory: if you send a notecard itยดs in your transaction history
[14:21] Ranma Tardis: he could always calaim he did not get it
[14:21] Ranma Tardis: got a notecard not what
[14:21] Pip Torok: (prefers “invitation” to “summons” any day …)
[14:21] Callipygian Christensen: Your transaction history will show delivery Ranma..just title the notecard so that it can be recognizable
[14:22] Rosie Gray: (completely agrees that politeness counts)
[14:22] Ranma Tardis: still where does it say it has to be notecard?
[14:22] Shep Titian: One sec
[14:23] Tanoujin Milestone: The Chancellor will also attend upon three days notice at the written request from any member of the Representative Assembly.
[14:23] Callipygian Christensen: The Consitution says ‘written request’ – in world a written request is a notecard
[14:23] Tanoujin Milestone: Section (
[14:23] Lilith Ivory: (raises her hand)
[14:23] Ranma Tardis: forum is written too
[14:23] Tanoujin Milestone: there he is
[14:23] Rosie Gray: speak of the devil!
[14:23] Sudane Erato: hehe
[14:23] Lilith Ivory: (grins)
[14:23] Shep Titian: Section 8 โ RA Oversight
Each month the Chancellor shall attend a meeting of the Representative Assembly, and fully and truthfully answer there any questions posed by any citizen about any aspect of the affairs of the CDS or of the Office of the Chancellor. The Chancellor will also attend upon three days notice at the written request from any member of the Representative Assembly.
[14:24] Pip Torok: (raises hand)
[14:24] Shep Titian: Pip
[14:24] Lilith Ivory: Hi Tor ๐
[14:24] Rosie Gray: hello Herr Chancellor
[14:24] Tanoujin Milestone: Tor ๐
[14:24] Shep Titian: Hi Tor
[14:25] Tor Karlsvalt: HI all
[14:25] Ranma Tardis: Tor *smiles*
[14:25] Widget Whiteberry: waves to Tor
[14:25] Tanoujin Milestone: (leans back and lights a cigarette)
[14:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Sorry I am so late. We were having a beautiful day here and just finished my 4 mile walk.
[14:25] Shep Titian: LMAO
[14:25] Pip Torok: may i suggest that when a member of the RA makes such a request, she declares that she makes it _as_ a menber of the RA .. and in addition gets the “nod” from other RA members?
[14:26] Shep Titian: (whispers) Is about to give up LOL
[14:26] Lilith Ivory: (raises her hand again)
[14:26] Pip Torok: done (btw)
[14:26] Callipygian Christensen: Pip – the ok of all RA members is not required..the form of request is ๐
[14:26] Ranma Tardis: As a member of the RA am requesting the presence of the CDS Chancellor Tor at the next meeting of the RA April 7. This involves RA oversight of his office.
[14:26] Shep Titian: Can we decide if it needs talking about .. the chancellors power lol
[14:26] Shep Titian: RAMNA!!!
[14:27] Sudane Erato: ๐
[14:27] Shep Titian: Ok I’m giving up on that last I’ll take it to the forum myself
[14:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Raises hand
[14:28] Shep Titian: There being o commission reports we move to executive report and ask the chancellor time
[14:28] Shep Titian: Tor you have the floor
[14:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you
[14:29] Tor Karlsvalt: I have been asked to inform the RA abut the policy of approving th euse of public land.
[14:30] Tor Karlsvalt: As far as I can find, there is no other policy other than public land is available for use by any citizen of CDS. The exec ‘s have as I can see only felt a need to ensure there are no conflicts between use of public land.
[14:31] Widget Whiteberry: (listens)
[14:32] Tor Karlsvalt: As far as attendance is concerned, the Chancellor is required I belive to attend only one RA per term. Usually this is for the state of the Confederation. I think the record would show that I have attended all of the RA sessions, probably a record some RA members might envy.
[14:32] Sudane Erato: ๐
[14:32] Shep Titian: Per month Tor
[14:32] Rosie Gray: ๐
[14:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I may stand corrected, but I would have to review the constitution again.
[14:33] Tor Karlsvalt: I know I am required to attend one.
[14:33] Callipygian Christensen: It IS ‘each month’ Tor
[14:34] Shep Titian: Section 8 โ RA Oversight
Each month the Chancellor shall attend a meeting of the Representative Assembly, and fully and truthfully answer there any questions posed by any citizen about any aspect of the affairs of the CDS or of the Office of the Chancellor. The Chancellor will also attend upon three days notice at the written request from any member of the Representative Assembly.
[14:34] Callipygian Christensen: But since members of RA weren’t overly familiar with the Consitution either, no fault in you not being aware either lol
[14:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Ok, as we have only one per month, it seems the chancellor has a more stringent requirement than an RA member
[14:34] Sudane Erato: hehe
[14:35] Lilith Ivory: (grins)
[14:35] Tor Karlsvalt: In any case, I am sure that I am always available to discuss issues.
[14:35] Tanoujin Milestone: (throws a softball in Calli’s direction)
[14:35] Shep Titian: I hope you are’nt pointing at me
[14:35] Tor Karlsvalt: oh me no, not at anyone.
[14:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I would make just one more observation.
[14:36] Shep Titian: I don’t think I’ve missed a single meeting
[14:36] Shep Titian: Rambling
[14:36] Tor Karlsvalt: VS has been a wonderful event in CDS.
[14:36] Callipygian Christensen: background info _ the ‘eachmonth’ stems from the days RA met every two weeks – it may be something to look at changing.
[14:36] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[14:36] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[14:37] Rosie Gray: (gets up and sneaks quietly away)
[14:37] Shep Titian: Bye Rosie
[14:37] Tor Karlsvalt: bye Rosie
[14:37] Shep Titian: Ran
[14:38] Ranma Tardis: just want to know how you feel executive power should be use when determining public land usuage?
[14:38] Shep Titian: I don’t see why Tor should have a lesser meeting ratio than us
[14:38] Tor Karlsvalt: May I answer?
[14:38] Shep Titian: Yes
[14:38] Ranma Tardis: please
[14:39] Tor Karlsvalt: I feel the exec role is merely one of scheduling and ensuring that all citizens have access to public land.
[14:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Naturally, events my conflict.
[14:40] Tor Karlsvalt: And the exec would have to ensure that there is no conflict.
[14:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I my knowledge nobody complained to me that they had an event they could not hold in a public place.
[14:40] Shep Titian: Gwyn did
[14:40] Shep Titian: Its in the forum
[14:41] Tor Karlsvalt: If they had, I am sure arrangements would have been made to accomodate alll events.
[14:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I am very easy to contct
[14:41] Shep Titian: She wanted the amphitheatre anjd was put off
[14:41] Shep Titian: Asked for ideas of an alternative
[14:41] Tor Karlsvalt: If you send me an email, IM or fb message you can reach me
[14:41] Tor Karlsvalt: I have a mailbox on my house
[14:42] Sudane Erato: I tink Gwyn should speak to her own reaction to that situation
[14:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Gwyn never asked me first.
[14:42] Pip Torok: (feels it was a shame tht no approach was made for use of the OldBowl)
[14:42] Shep Titian: I’m only sharing what she posted
[14:42] Tor Karlsvalt: Second, I and widget were the only people here who attended her meeting.
[14:42] Shep Titian: I think someone spoke with her but I forget who
[14:42] Tor Karlsvalt: She nver mentioned use of the Amphitheater at that time.
[14:42] Widget Whiteberry: (nods)
[14:43] Shep Titian: Yes she did
[14:43] Tor Karlsvalt: This whole thing was probably less an issue with Gwyn than with everyone else.
[14:43] Shep Titian: said it was one of the places she could use a certain stream
[14:43] Sudane Erato: I am sure that what Tor says is true about Gwyn’s feeling
[14:44] Tor Karlsvalt: As far as I know her event was not hindered.
[14:44] Shep Titian: I really don’t see why this has exercized people so much .. by all means use public land .. just clear up
[14:45] Tanoujin Milestone: (raises hand)
[14:45] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[14:45] Tor Karlsvalt: I do apologize for the appearance that public land seemed to have been taken over.
[14:45] Shep Titian: You Cannot care that the wrong trees are on the beach then say its ok to have a load of modern stuff on permanent show
[14:45] Tor Karlsvalt: That will not happen again.
[14:45] Shep Titian: Tan
[14:46] Tanoujin Milestone: I have a comment
[14:46] Tanoujin Milestone: we have elements of a presidental system
[14:46] Shep Titian: go ahead
[14:46] Tanoujin Milestone: the chancellor is elected
[14:46] Tor Karlsvalt: However I still would like to point out, that VS has brought at least 14 ppl into the sim twice a week. Not to mention the sims get free publicity on the LL calendar, the VS group and the Pulse Group.
[14:46] Tor Karlsvalt: done, sorry
[14:46] Tanoujin Milestone: and he is responsible for management of events and all kind of administrative tasks
[14:46] Shep Titian: Where has the fishing gone?
[14:47] Tanoujin Milestone: so, if people want to hold him responsible, there are elections too for it
[14:47] Tanoujin Milestone: RA is here to check his actions
[14:47] Shep Titian: Of course
[14:47] Tor Karlsvalt: I stopped the fishing. It was just costing money and it seemed little return.
[14:48] Tanoujin Milestone: but we should appreciate what -he does as a volunteer and give him a little freedom and space to ‘work* done
[14:48] Sudane Erato: bravo
[14:48] Widget Whiteberry: Tor – pt of info – notices go to 6 inworld groups.
[14:48] Shep Titian: It gave us green dots also
[14:48] Tor Karlsvalt: Ranma was kind to continue it for a month longer at her own expense.
[14:48] Callipygian Christensen: (applauds)
[14:48] Pip Torok: (strongly agrees)
[14:49] Shep Titian: Ok can we wind up
[14:49] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
[14:49] Shep Titian: this cold is devloping nicely
[14:49] Shep Titian: Tor
[14:49] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks
[14:50] Ranma Tardis: raises hand
[14:50] Shep Titian: Oh then Ran
[14:50] Shep Titian: I forgot
[14:50] Tor Karlsvalt: Heads up! SL10B is coming
[14:50] Tor Karlsvalt: I will have a meeting on it probably Wednesday Evening and Friday Morning.
[14:50] Shep Titian: The beach party was great last year
[14:51] Tor Karlsvalt: We have to apply between the 15 thru the 20th.
[14:51] Shep Titian: Not much time
[14:51] Tor Karlsvalt: WE need to get ready this term so we are ready for the event in mid June
[14:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we can’t apply until the 15th
[14:52] Shep Titian: ok just after nre RA session
[14:52] Tor Karlsvalt: I will apply no mater what we have
[14:52] Tor Karlsvalt: ok done, and I hope you get over your cold.
[14:52] Shep Titian: ok
[14:52] Shep Titian: Ranma
[14:52] Shep Titian: lol me too
[14:53] Ranma Tardis: my only concern is the appearance of government endorsement of functions done on public land
[14:54] Ranma Tardis: I praise Widgets involvement in her meetings
[14:54] Shep Titian: Well I think it was all lost in excitement by some Ran
[14:54] Ranma Tardis: and I agree with some of it
[14:54] Shep Titian: I don’t see it as that
[14:55] Ranma Tardis: well it is my view and seems I am in the minority
[14:55] Shep Titian: Did you ever get a reply to that message you sent?
[14:55] Widget Whiteberry: (had no idea there was any implied endoresement of anything other than citizens producing events open to the public.)
[14:55] Ranma Tardis: it is how I see it right or wrong
[14:56] Tanoujin Milestone: (listens)
[14:56] Shep Titian: Probably because I’m a Brit I don’t see that so much
[14:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Frankly I just never even thought about it seeming and endorsement of VS views. But I understand the issue once it was expressed.
[14:56] Ranma Tardis: wish I understood European politics better
[14:56] Shep Titian: Being not that interested in American politics .. sorry
[14:56] Ranma Tardis: maybe a sign
[14:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Well in future perhaps we should have a sign about views expressed here do not represent the views of the CDS.
[14:57] Pip Torok: you and me both, Ranma!
[14:57] Widget Whiteberry: I was’nt aware that VS had consistent or uniform views
[14:57] Callipygian Christensen: So ask that a sign be put up stating ‘The views of this event do not necesarilly reflect the vies of the CDS’ during events
[14:57] Tor Karlsvalt: It is on private land now
[14:57] Ranma Tardis: yes she does a great job of running it
[14:57] Tanoujin Milestone: Yes, it is solved, an interesting question though that Ranma rised here
[14:57] Tor Karlsvalt: you are right Widget, I think that is why I didn’t see any problem.
[14:57] Sudane Erato: there is NO reason to even consider that events should express the views of the CDS!
[14:58] Callipygian Christensen: We are a democracy – that implies that we encourage open and honest exchange of viewpoints
[14:58] Widget Whiteberry: Sudane ++
[14:58] Sudane Erato: exactly
[14:58] Ranma Tardis: on private land there is no reason
[14:58] Shep Titian: Ok folks
[14:59] Shep Titian: No announcements
[14:59] Sudane Erato: so long as public land is open to all citizens and their views, there is no reason on public land either
[14:59] Shep Titian: Date next meeting
[14:59] Ranma Tardis: one last thing, I would like to raise money for relay for life
[14:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Just to insert in thoh ok Ranma
[14:59] Tor Karlsvalt: we should talk about that
[14:59] Shep Titian: Sunday 5th May at 1pm SLT
[14:59] Tor Karlsvalt: k
[15:00] Sudane Erato: hey… that’s the orthodox Easter! ๐
[15:00] Shep Titian: Propose adjourn
[15:00] Sudane Erato: ๐
[15:00] Ranma Tardis: second
[15:00] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[15:00] Ranma Tardis: aye
[15:00] Shep Titian: And my brothers birthday
[15:00] Shep Titian: Aye
[15:00] Shep Titian: .. thats it folksRA Meeting 05 May 2013
[13:07] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone giggles
[13:08] Shep: Please approve agenda
[13:08] Tanoujin Milestone: it is good.
[13:08] Bagheera Kristan: approved
[13:08] Shep: LOL
[13:08] Shep: ok
[13:09] Shep: Speakers on today’s issues .. well Bags is present
[13:09] Bagheera Kristan: here ๐
[13:09] Tanoujin Milestone: i would have a statement – a shor one
[13:09] Shep: Ok
[13:09] Tanoujin Milestone: *short
[13:09] Shep: good ๐
[13:10] Tanoujin Milestone: ๐
[13:10] Shep: Citizen concerns .. how’s things Lilith?
[13:10] Lilith Ivory: Iยดm fine so far ๐
[13:10] Shep: hehehehehehe
[13:11] Lilith IvoryLilith Ivory grins
[13:11] Shep: RA members .. any concers?
[13:11] Tanoujin Milestone: nope
[13:11] Shep: concerns
[13:12] Shep: Ne neither.. well that’s a lie .. I wonder when the end will come
[13:12] Tanoujin Milestone: talk about it!
[13:13] Bagheera Kristan: well, I can talk about mine when my time comes – LOL !
[13:13] Bagheera Kristan: they are all bundled together
[13:13] Shep: Is that a serious suggestion or a remark in support?
[13:13] Bagheera Kristan: ?? sorry
[13:13] Shep: Well look around you
[13:13] Tanoujin Milestone: me? Serious
[13:14] Shep: lol
[13:14] Tanoujin Milestone: it is called the lame duck meeting
[13:14] Tanoujin Milestone: we are quorate
[13:14] Shep: Not for anything big Tan
[13:15] Tanoujin Milestone: maybe
[13:15] Shep: And we would not have given notice
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: brb, I need to relog
[13:16] Shep: I could happily stand here and say I propose that we close LA .. it does’nt attract citizens
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[13:16] Tanoujin Milestone: i am ready to discuss it
[13:17] Bagheera Kristan: I could happily disagree. I was there this morning and I noticed new citizens have moved in
[13:17] Bagheera Kristan: Anti’s parcel is beautiful, by the way
[13:17] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, anti knows how to make gardens
[13:17] Shep: Ok .. then I propose we bite the bullet and ditch LA
[13:17] Bagheera Kristan: There were two others that were new and not government or Tan’s projects
[13:18] Bagheera Kristan: Opposed
[13:18] Shep: Discuss
[13:18] Tanoujin Milestone: wb, Lilith
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: thanks
[13:18] Tanoujin Milestone: would you name them, Bags?
[13:18] Shep: wb Lil
[13:18] Bagheera Kristan: I want to but I would have to go back and look
[13:18] Bagheera Kristan: I didn’t write them down
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: thanks Shep
[13:18] Bagheera Kristan: I noticed Anti and then two others by the river. Tor has a new place I think
[13:19] Tanoujin Milestone: I will keep my holdings during this term. Anyone can start a project there
[13:19] Shep: Bags they are doing it to keep the sim ticking over
[13:19] Shep: Its not because they want to be there
[13:20] Bagheera Kristan: Where are our new citizens settling?
[13:20] Bagheera Kristan: who are a new new citizens?
[13:20] Shep: What new citizens?
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: I might have missed we got new citizens ๐
[13:20] Tanoujin Milestone: Have you noticed Cadence?
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: didnยดt see any land scanner message about new citizens
[13:20] Bagheera Kristan: and Cadence has been very busy in LA
[13:21] Tanoujin Milestone: Yes. I hope we can welcome her at the guild soon. She is living in NFS
[13:21] Bagheera Kristan: Anyways, I’m not ready to give up on LA yet, because I believe giving up on LA would be giving up on CDS
[13:21] Bagheera Kristan: but I am just one voice and can be overruled
[13:22] Lilith IvoryLilith Ivory raises her hand
[13:22] Shep: Lil
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: in my opinion we should give a try what we figured out at the previous LA meetings first
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: there have been a lot of good ideas about changing the covenent and adding more water
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: but somehow this got stck
[13:23] Shep: This is the point with CDS
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: stuck
[13:23] Tanoujin Milestone: Isn’t the chair of the development working group present here atm?
[13:23] Shep: things start the right way and then it all stops
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: thatยดs CS at itยดs bset Iยดm afraid ๐
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: best
[13:24] Tanoujin Milestone: we can do better. Easily
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: imo we should give it one more try next term before we dump LA
[13:24] Tanoujin Milestone: we need a regional meeting in every case
[13:24] Tanoujin Milestone: and we need to contact alexia
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: and we need to ask the guild to take care about it
[13:25] Shep: I just honesrly don’t see how we can get new citizens
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: imo a mediteran theme is more tempting for new citizens than our roman theme
[13:25] Shep: Yes she could have the two plots on CN by the river
[13:25] Tanoujin Milestone: Bags, excuse me, are you still the chair of the development group for LA
[13:25] Tanoujin Milestone: ?
[13:26] Bagheera Kristan: well, I had meant to do more activities – the one chariot race I held did get new people to come. but IRL – my dad has been sick and my time has been limited
[13:26] Shep: That group did’nt develop did it
[13:26] Bagheera Kristan: no
[13:26] Tanoujin Milestone: ๐ i so know what you mean, Bags, really
[13:26] Shep: Rosie was going to help if I recall
[13:26] Bagheera Kristan: I apologize, I dropped teh ball
[13:26] Bagheera Kristan: I’d really like to try again
[13:27] Tanoujin Milestone: I just want you to realize there is support
[13:27] Bagheera Kristan: thank you
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: as far as I know a lot of people were willing to support a change of the theme
[13:27] Tanoujin Milestone: let us give it another try. Go back to that discussions
[13:27] Bagheera Kristan: yes
[13:28] Shep: Yes but a new one was’nt chosen
[13:28] Shep: Just like everything else
[13:28] Bagheera Kristan: there was discussion to make it broader – more recent Mediterranean
[13:28] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Calli
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: Hi Calli ๐
[13:28] Callipygian Christensen: hi hi
[13:28] Shep: Hi Calli ๐
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: exactly
[13:29] Bagheera Kristan: hi Calli ๐
[13:29] Bagheera Kristan: if I am not holding a governmetn office next term, can I still head up the committee?
[13:29] Tanoujin Milestone: sure, why not?
[13:29] Shep: But that has’nt been made official
[13:29] Bagheera Kristan: okay
[13:30] Shep: Yes Bags
[13:30] Tanoujin Milestone: You can do even more, Bags
[13:31] Tanoujin Milestone: you can take the parcels we hold and demonstrate the concept
[13:31] Tanoujin Milestone: possibly people join
[13:31] Shep: That’s a good idea
[13:31] Bagheera Kristan: yes
[13:31] Shep: But there is l;and for sale everywhere atm
[13:32] Tanoujin Milestone: it could be for sale with prefabs
[13:32] Bagheera Kristan: well, I know things that don’t involve sim changes, but just getting people to look around – races, primtionary, hunts, that sort of thing too
[13:32] Shep: Ok .. lrys say after the election .. we have a doo or die push on LA
[13:32] Bagheera Kristan: sounds good
[13:33] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone nods
[13:33] Shep: Ok well we’ll come back to it in a few weeks
[13:34] Shep: Anymore on the subject?
[13:34] Tanoujin Milestone: done so far
[13:34] Shep: ok moving on
[13:35] Shep: No old business .. so to new business
[13:35] Tanoujin Milestone: brb
[13:35] Shep: Bags .. would you like to outline your idea?
[13:35] Bagheera Kristan: yes, I have a long piece to cut and paste, shall I wait for Tan to return?
[13:35] Shep: yes please
[13:36] Bagheera Kristan: okay – well the short version is I am withdrawing the idea of the Amendment but I have something I’d like to say… I will wait
[13:36] Tanoujin Milestone: b, sorry
[13:36] Shep: Ok .. Bags go ahead
[13:36] Bagheera Kristan: this will be a big block of text – shouldI do it in chunks or all at once?
[13:36] Shep: wb Tan
[13:37] Bagheera Kristan: I will do it in chunks
[13:37] Shep: Once
[13:37] Shep: then we can discuss it
[13:37] Bagheera Kristan: okay, all at once, here it is…
[13:37] Lilith Ivory: wb
[13:37] Bagheera Kristan: It seems, from the discussion on the forum, that people donโt feel there is a need or are opposed to the Amendment Iโve proposed, so I am withdrawing my proposal and/or am open to changes to make it acceptable IF people still think it is a viable topic. At this point, it sounds like it isnโt.
[13:37] Bagheera Kristan: that the Chancellor may have had those powers at some point, but the present incarnation of the Constitution and Covenants – specifically the Constitution – seems to me to limit the Chancellor from making gross changes outside covenant, even on a temporary basis (since no time frame for the limitation is given, it just says, cannot change covenant to sim or ANY part).
[13:38] Bagheera Kristan: done
[13:38] Callipygian ChristensenCallipygian Christensen waves hand
[13:39] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone has read through and leans back
[13:40] Bagheera Kristan: please take this with the kindest of intentions too
[13:40] Shep: Calli
[13:41] Callipygian Christensen: a couple of things
[13:41] Callipygian Christensen: Thankyou – I interpret the wording ‘cannot change the *theme* to mean just that..Chancellor cannot declare Neif is going to be a middle eastern medieval port for example
[13:41] Lilith IvoryLilith Ivory nods
[13:41] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone listens
[13:41] Callipygian Christensen: as to temporary uses, I believe the Chancellor does have the right to allow things,
[13:42] Callipygian Christensen: That said, I was one of the people asking Treb to get Neuf parcels back into covenant..I am NOT anti_covenant..quite the opposite.
[13:43] Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
[13:43] Shep: Bags
[13:43] Callipygian Christensen: thus my suggestion of fairgrounds – it removes the perception/option of favouritism, of bad neighbours, of planned events being cancelled when complaints come in
[13:43] Shep: oop sorry Calli
[13:44] Callipygian Christensen: Follow history…put all those travelling merchants and riffraff out in the pastures where they belong! ๐ Done
[13:44] Shep: ๐
[13:44] Shep: Bags
[13:44] Tanoujin MilestoneTanoujin Milestone appplauds
[13:44] Bagheera Kristan: okay, well then maybe ONE component of my amendment would be worthwhile, which is the concept of notification beforehand, instead of logging in one morning thinking I’ll have peace and quiet and getting a view of death skulls on the quay instead – quite a surprise
[13:44] Bagheera Kristan: yes, I love your idea, Calli
[13:44] Shep: As do I Calli
[13:45] Tanoujin Milestone: me raises hand
[13:45] Callipygian Christensen: Trees make a lovely screen to block view of things like that *nod*
[13:46] Callipygian Christensen: But any major ‘fair’ would have notification …can build that in to the use outlines
[13:46] Bagheera Kristan: I was looking at the amphitheater site, currently the aqueduct is sort of out there, taking up space – I was thinking of rebuilding the aqueduct to act as a line of sight block (partial)
[13:47] Bagheera Kristan: that is another discussion, sorry – the notification seems a reasonable burden
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: I need to have a look at this space again but have problems to imagine how bumber cars could fit in there
[13:47] Bagheera Kristan: I measured, they do
[13:47] Tanoujin Milestone: hand?
[13:48] Tanoujin Milestone: I#d like to hear the Chancellor here on the notification aspect – does it rise a threshold? Is it doable? Who should do the notification?
[13:49] Tor Karlsvalt: Notification I agree was the problem with the fair proposed by Naf and Ria
[13:49] Shep: Well I was taken by surprise on that
[13:49] Tor Karlsvalt: It was a spontaneous effort and obviously lack of early communication of the intention to all caused a problem.
[13:50] Tanoujin Milestone: tsk, we should not choke all spontaneity
[13:50] Tanoujin Milestone: sorry, I have to insist
[13:50] Shep: No .. and they were grest fun
[13:50] Shep: shame they got taken away
[13:51] Callipygian Christensen: (I have to leave so throw this out with apologies for out of order- we have both a calendar, events forum, and inworld notices – not hard to post ‘A Request for use of the fairgrounds for a hippy beltane celebration on these dates’
[13:51] Tanoujin Milestone: a request? That would be enough?
[13:51] Tanoujin Milestone: public request?
[13:51] Callipygian Christensen: since the whole idea of fairgrounds is ‘away from most residences’ its really just an FYI at that point)
[13:52] Shep: Yes exactly
[13:52] Callipygian Christensen: Tan..the Chancellor posts that he/she received a request
[13:52] Tor Karlsvalt: I do think a fair ground is a good idea btw
[13:52] Shep: Yes so do I
[13:52] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[13:52] Callipygian Christensen: ok..off i go to the RL committee i chair..later all!
[13:52] Tanoujin Milestone: I have heard your time is almost up, thanks for that constructive contribution, Calli
[13:53] Bagheera Kristan: bye Calli
[13:53] Lilith Ivory: see you Calli ๐
[13:53] Shep: Byeee Calli ๐
[13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: I think tho the fair was not planned and the back lash was almost immediate.
[13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: ok Callie
[13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: see you
[13:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Tensions were raised quickly.
[13:54] Shep: I thought that went well
[13:54] Tor Karlsvalt: In some part I might ad by Cleo.
[13:54] Tor Karlsvalt: sure.
[13:54] Shep: Please .. no more of that name
[13:54] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[13:54] Shep: this gets posted
[13:54] Tanoujin Milestone: my tinnitus ๐
[13:55] Shep whispers: LOL
[13:55] Shep: Ok
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: Hearing?
[13:55] Tanoujin Milestone: fine, could we outline a new procedure?
[13:55] Tor Karlsvalt: Struggles to find a latin dictionary.
[13:55] Tanoujin Milestone: so, how is it done to hold such an event?
[13:55] Shep: I propose we use the land around the amphitheatre as a fairground
[13:56] Bagheera Kristan: In my amendment, I had suggested 3 day advance notice – does that sound like a reasonable time frame – allows some spontaneity?
[13:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Well our most current precedent are Oktoberfest.
[13:56] Shep: RA sleeps
[13:57] Bagheera Kristan: I send your proposal, Shep
[13:57] Bagheera Kristan: sorry
[13:57] Bagheera Kristan: second
[13:57] Bagheera Kristan: second
[13:57] Shep: lol
[13:57] Bagheera Kristan: gargh
[13:57] Shep: thx and vote
[13:57] Bagheera Kristan: aye
[13:57] Shep: aye
[13:57] Tanoujin Milestone: wait a moment, this is a little quick
[13:57] Shep: Tan
[13:58] Tanoujin Milestone: darn, nay then – i need to sleep on it, sorry
[13:58] Shep: No itv is’nt
[13:58] Shep: OFFS
[13:58] Tanoujin Milestone: give me a minute, okay
[13:58] Shep: Not carried
[13:58] Bagheera Kristan: LOL
[13:58] Tanoujin Milestone: the suggestion is good.
[13:58] Shep: This is what CDS needs
[13:59] Bagheera Kristan: do we need a field trip?
[13:59] Tanoujin Milestone: sorry, i can not pick a parcel for a fair in 5 seconds
[13:59] Shep: We all sat here saying yes good idea
[13:59] Shep: ALL OF US
[13:59] Shep: So make it happen
[14:00] Tanoujin Milestone: i have not seen and measured that parcel i fgeel railroaded
[14:00] Bagheera Kristan: raises hand
[14:00] Tanoujin Milestone: i generally aagree on the idey
[14:00] Lilith Ivory: there might be other parcels that are as good or even better
[14:00] Tanoujin Milestone: but i need time to see the parcel
[14:01] Shep: Its position is ideal
[14:01] Shep: Bags
[14:01] Tanoujin Milestone: can we vote we will have that fair ground at cn? Bags, sorry
[14:01] Lilith Ivory: the ground besides the theatre is rather step
[14:01] Shep: No we can’t
[14:02] Shep: its too broad
[14:02] Bagheera Kristan: My thought is we could take a quick couple minutes to go take a look at it
[14:02] Shep: Then it can be leveled a little
[14:02] Bagheera Kristan: I understand it is hard to make a decision when you haven’t seen it, I actually went to look earlier
[14:02] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you bags – i want to say aye to a fairy ground at the CN *sim*
[14:03] Tanoujin Milestone: and decide on the exact parcel after that
[14:03] Lilith Ivory: didnยดt the guild get the job to rebuild this place anyway?
[14:03] Tanoujin Milestone: is that okay?
[14:04] Shep: No you can’t do that .. it gives us permission to purloin a parcel
[14:04] Tanoujin Milestone: so you force me to say nay to a good idea
[14:04] Shep whispers: Where else is there common land on CN?
[14:04] Bagheera Kristan: I have a notecard which shows all the parcels in Colonia Nova – I can share it with all of you – the ownership isn’t up to date for everything but the parcel for the amphitheater is clear
[14:04] Tanoujin Milestone: that is exactly the point, shep
[14:04] Bagheera Kristan: it is the large section marked with an “n”
[14:05] Tanoujin Milestone: just because it is there is not reason enough
[14:05] Tanoujin Milestone: can we make it old business, please? I am so inclined to say yes to that!
[14:05] Shep: I am at a loss
[14:05] Tanoujin Milestone: it is just the question what parcel
[14:06] Tanoujin Milestone: aye to the overall idea
[14:06] Shep: It has to be common land
[14:06] Tanoujin Milestone: but – not yet sure which parcel
[14:06] Bagheera Kristan: Shep I have given you a notecard that isa parcel map for Colonia Nova – you may make it public
[14:06] Tanoujin Milestone: I move to table this until the next meeting – otherwise my vote is nay
[14:07] Tanoujin Milestone: I have people to represent, i want to talk with them
[14:07] Shep: ok its in the box
[14:08] Shep: Map of parcels on CN folks
[14:08] Bagheera Kristan: the amphitheater parcel is the upper right section marked as “n” with circles around them
[14:08] Tanoujin Milestone: I know where it is ‘sigh
[14:09] Tanoujin Milestone: you make it really hard to compromise
[14:09] Shep: Who me?
[14:09] Tanoujin Milestone: what is the issue with giving me time to think of a decision?
[14:09] Tanoujin Milestone: you both, yes
[14:09] Shep: None
[14:10] Shep: You sat there saying it was a good idea by Calli
[14:10] Tanoujin Milestone: please table it, let us have it old business and discuss which parcel exactly
[14:10] Shep: I liked it
[14:10] Shep: Tor Liked it
[14:10] Tanoujin Milestone: Shep: 1. the idea is good
[14:10] Tanoujin Milestone: 2. which parcel: not sure
[14:11] Shep: I’ll mark it old business
[14:11] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you very much
[14:11] Tanoujin Milestone: i will work on it
[14:11] Shep: Why not it’s how everything else works here
[14:11] Tanoujin Milestone: you get your decision next time
[14:12] Shep: Ok no copmmissions to report
[14:12] Shep: Tor do we have an exec report?
[14:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Well sure
[14:12] Tor Karlsvalt: short one
[14:12] Shep: Ok then you have the floor
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: We had a meeting for SL10B panning on April 28th
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: The meeting went well. I posted the transcripts to the forum
[14:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Lil will build build some sort of a Rathaus and anti will build a meeting garden
[14:14] Tor Karlsvalt: WE will be asking the community for artifacts, pics and notecards to describe our community
[14:14] Tor Karlsvalt: The SL10B will open on June 16th.
[14:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Jamie has purchsed the two prim parcels in AM.
[14:15] Tor Karlsvalt: So that is good and actually AM is very well sold right now.
[14:15] Tor Karlsvalt: I have also seen some movement in CN.
[14:16] Tor Karlsvalt: We did have an unfortunate affair with two new citzens who did not want to pay monthly tier.
[14:16] Tor Karlsvalt: One turned out to be a griefer and was banned.
[14:17] Tor Karlsvalt: The has purchased parcels in Monastery and were not building in accordance with the covenants.
[14:17] Tanoujin Milestone: ๐
[14:17] Tor Karlsvalt: Then one got very angry when I asked him to pay tier.
[14:18] Tor Karlsvalt: Other than that, we where fairly stable in the the last month.
[14:18] Tor Karlsvalt: done.
[14:18] Pip TorokPip Torok remembers he was looking for an excuse to grief …
[14:18] Shep: Thanks Tor
[14:18] Shep: Pip?
[14:19] Pip Torok: sorry … etraneous comment … pls desregard
[14:19] Tor Karlsvalt: Raises hand
[14:19] Shep: Tor
[14:19] Tor Karlsvalt: Oh I just wanted to add that Ranma has started a CDS based RFL group.
[14:20] Tor Karlsvalt: I hope we can all support her in this effort.
[14:20] Shep: Ok
[14:20] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks, done
[14:20] Tanoujin Milestone: Can you invite me to that group, Tor?
[14:20] Tor Karlsvalt: I will, I think i need to look for my invite.
[14:20] Tor Karlsvalt: ๐
[14:21] Shep: Ok no announcements
[14:21] Shep: Next meeting .. 3 weeks ok?
[14:22] Tanoujin Milestone: 4!
[14:22] Shep: Sunday 26th May at 1 pm again?
[14:22] Tanoujin Milestone: 1st of june?
[14:22] Tanoujin Milestone: oh, okay
[14:22] Tanoujin Milestone: fine with it
[14:22] Shep: Cool .. it will be short
[14:23] Shep: There will be one 2nd June
[14:23] Tanoujin Milestone: understood finally
[14:23] Shep: also short
[14:23] Tanoujin Milestone: bear with me
[14:24] Shep: Its ok hun
[14:24] Tanoujin Milestone: I move to adjourn
[14:24] Shep: OK I propose we adjourn
[14:24] Bagheera Kristan: 2nded
[14:24] Tanoujin Milestone: ๐
[14:24] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[14:24] Shep: aye
[14:24] Bagheera Kristan: aye
[14:24] Shep: done